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04:47
Who's watching SGDQ?
05:00
\o
 
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06:16
Morning
06:49
Hiya \o
o/
07:20
Anyone's training?
;)
07:50
> Yep, walls don't have to exist ~~SGDQ2017
08:25
Morning.
 
1 hour later…
09:49
Baba au rhum for breakfast is the best
Plop!
@Kyll you do realise that a thimble of rum is enough to get a spearrel in a stupor, right?
convulses
 
2 hours later…
12:06
@halfer Was the only activity generated on that request from your edit, or was there a new answer?
@suraj How is that too broad? Specifications are clear, code is provided and minimal, error is clearly spelled out.
Should we refrain from editing questions that need closure?
@JanDvorak Up to you. I don't see much point to it but if you want to, go ahead
Do you ask for a specific reason?
I'm asking because of your question to Halfer
@JanDvorak it seems a bit pointless to edit a question if you can't improve it to the point where it doesn't need to be closed. Especially on old questions this is a problem in my opinion, as you bump it to the front page.
@JanDvorak Well it would be a bit weird to edit a 3-year-old off-topic question then cv-pls it
Editing old, off-topic questions that do not attract any attention isn't very helpful and quite a waste of time
12:16
Is it because of the edit part, or the cv-pls part? I would guess it's the former.
@JanDvorak Edit part
I'm guessing there's an answer I'm not seeing, otherwise it's just weird and I'm waiting for more input on the matter
I'd say both; as we don't cv-pls questions which have been inactive for months either
But they'll have been active once we edit them - should we deem that edit necessary.
@JanDvorak From a content POV, what's the point of editing old, dead questions?
@Kyll nope no deleted answer, I guess it's only one of those cases where you try to edit to save question... then you give up and close vote it
12:19
Mh.
That. If I try to salvage a question and give up, should I abandon the edit?
baah I would complete the edit.
Meh, me too I guess. Then CV.
Or maybe I'd just drop the edit, CV and move on. Not sure.
So you would have done the same thing? :P
@JanDvorak I'm not sure actually. Probably not worth anyone's time.
12:24
Might be sunk cost fallacy. Pushing your edit might save further potential editors' time, but what's the chance such an editor will pop up?
I agree. And again, old dead posts don't really need any kind of attention...
Not even if they can be salvaged?
Unless they can be salvaged.
(afk)
morning!
12:39
moming!
morning!
@JanDvorak I'm leaning yes. CLI's are not necessarily used for programming
voted, thanks
 
1 hour later…
14:01
@FireAlarm I went unclear; probably missing a language tag as well
14:23
Hi, one of my questions went on-hold but since I have editted it: stackoverflow.com/questions/44826757/…
Is there anything that I can change so it doesn't get (-1) vote?
@jambodev @rene you voted here
@jambodev Not really I guess, just check Maxim's comment for explanation :)
@kayess I did see that, but as I say in my editted version, my question was about HOW the decision is made for a method to throw and not return NaN and I got my answer when I realized Sign returns int, then It all made sense. but I thought this is a fair question and TBH didn't think it deserves (-1) vote?
@jambodev Maybe it does not deserve, but that's how it goes, visitors are free to use their votes the way they like : |
@kayess Why is it still on hold by the way? what does it mean?
14:30
@jambodev it was put "on hold" meaning it can no longer be answered, because of the reasons outlined in the yellow box on you question.
That box also gives you a pointer to the help centre, where you can find what you can and cannot ask about on Stack Overflow, allowing you to edit your question such that it becomes on-topic.
Note that the downvote is not likely to be reversed, as the one who has given the downvote needs to revisit the question to reverse their downvote. The "on-hold" status on the other hand can be reversed, as editing any question which is on-hold puts it in the reopen-queue, thus people get to see that question and decide whether it's now good enough to be reopened
14:59
Looks like trolling to me now.
Hi all! o/
Hi Baum \o
Hi Baum!
Hi Bonsai!
@Adriaan I can top that, right now. i.imgur.com/GiDoETu.png
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Cleaning up that Meta we talked about yesterday, flagged a bunch that evening, did the rest I could judge just now.
15:08
@BaummitAugen ah, you're already done flagging? o.0
I spent the morning studying, the afternoon alternating between studying and the Tour, so I planned on flagging things tonight
@Adriaan I skipped a couple because I was unsure. I'll update my meta answer once those are handled.
Then someone should have a second look and judge the ones that are left.
Vielen dank!
Gern geschehen. :)
@BaummitAugen Whaaat? 89 pending?
how can that be possible?
15:12
@PraveenKumar Wave that flag, just wave and keep waving.
@Adriaan Ha ha ha...
@BaummitAugen Dude, two pending flags doesn't matter. But how? Or at least why?
Context: This meta, there was a big pile of stuff that needs removal to complete that meta effort.
@PraveenKumar pah, I was at 60 yesterday (see starred post), also due to a link-only answer clean-up
@Adriaan Wow... I want it too...
@PraveenKumar I just went though the list of reopened questions there and flagged all the link-only answers.
Did 35 or so yesterday, 87 more just now.
15:16
@jambodev only the designers of the language/assembly can now answer that question which makes it even more POB then it already was. Beyond that, suppose Eric Lippert does answer the question, what would we get out of it except some trivia? You could make it an interesting question if you show a practical programming problem that becomes harder to solve due to the current design and where the NaN case would have helped.
@Adriaan strangely enough I didn't get a notification of your ping.
@rene I'll just hop over and kick your door in next time, that's faster than this :P
@BaummitAugen Ha ha ha...
Nice one...
@Adriaan yeah, I think that has a higher success rate ...
urgh; I want to completely block those job adds on the right of SO >.< 3 German jobs (Eastern-Germany even) and one in France...
15:34
@Adriaan Eastern Germoney is fine. Cleanly shaved people with simple minds. I wonder why no one wants to work there … ;-\
@Olaf because it's 800km from my home and in a different country?
But you can be driving home for Christmas?
@rene I can do that from fun places as well :P Such as Luleå
@Adriaan Meh! Munich was 900km from my home, that's no reason. And "different country" … it is not that bad to live some time in a different country. Eastern Germany is different from Western Germany, too. Possibly more than the Nettherlands are actually.
He'll be home for Christmas if only in his dreams.
15:38
@Olaf I've already lived in another country, thanks
@Adriaan Home sweet home? "Home" is where my computer is.
Home is where your WiFi connects automatically. lol
It's just that those job listings should not point me to jobs in languages I don't (French) or barely (German) speak, see my meta, upon which nothing changed. I already readded SO to my adblocker, but it doesn't block the small ads in the sidebar
(I very well understand if you don't want to live/work in eastern Germany, though - I don't want to either)
@Nkosi WiFi connects automatically at work .. :-\
15:40
exactly. lol
and where do you spend a lot of your day?
@Adriaan If you don't have other problems … you're a lucky guy.
@Nkosi Not really. I prefer fixed wired connections.
I hear that
16:07
@suraj Active 5 months ago. Please focus on recently active posts (or very popular old off-topic posts). Same for the previous 3 ones...
I'm wondering if I could turn SGDQ chat into something sensible by combining multiple identical comments into one by a userscript.
16:37
Advertising their own library without attribution? stackoverflow.com/a/44889944/5233410
@Nkosi leave a comment
is there a short tag for how not to be a spammer?
I think some folks have some canned comments, it might be on the userscript
something about linking to your own libraries is fine but please provide attribution to avoid being spammy
You mean this comment?
Excessive promotion of a specific product/resource may be perceived by the community as **spam**. Take a look at the [help], specially [What kind of behavior is expected of users?](http://$SITEURL$/help/behavior)'s last section: _Avoid overt self-promotion_. You might also be interested in [How to not be a spammer](http://$SITEURL$/help/promotion) and [How do I advertise on $SITENAME$?](http://$SITEURL$/help/advertising).
@Nkosi Wait! Dude, how do you think he's advertising?
16:46
If you follow the links you will see that he is the author of the library
Has the website in his profile
@Bugs Gotcha...
SPAAAM! But no... We can see the history of his answers or posts and if there's a pattern then we can tell him.
his last to make direct mention to the lib. there is no link in the first one though
Yep... Looks like he's spamming!
user:1288545 Cinchoo Almost all the answers has it.
Might be better to ask in Charcoal
16:50
i've only found two that make reference to the lib
I wouldn't say it's excessive and I would think they just need a hand to disclose affiliation.
Yeah
@Adriaan The posts I flagged are now deleted, if you want to have a second look, the path is now clear. :)
@BaummitAugen aight, will do, thanks
@Olaf yeah, there's been some trolls, related to this one chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=35516099#35516099
We've been working hard to destroy them, so if you see such peculiar behaviour custom flag them that they've been acting weird
17:02
@BhargavRao From the last one it looks more like a beginner trying something beyond his horizon and not giving up, but using us as debugging/discussion site. Main problem is he has no idea how to debug or even how the things work together.
Well, your last custom mod flag was the troll
@BhargavRao: Here goes another one stackoverflow.com/questions/44890773/…
Is there a way to block that IP or so?
Ok, I retract my previous assumption. Either that is really a dumbo or a troll.
That was a good one.
It needs CM intervention to block IPs, but we can feed them to spam ram, so we can partiality block users
I need to leave, but custom flag any new trolls that you find. Thanks
@BhargavRao I don't think it is over.
It isn't. That's for sure.
17:56
Ah, out of flags. XD
Peak pending post flags was 98 btw. :)
18:30
I'm out of votes for today
Ok, that was the last one for now
@Olaf The last two are the same.
Aren't we supposed to be able to revoke flags now?
for a period of time?
Afaik, until they're handled.
@TylerH retract its called
Not for comments though.
18:42
how can I do that?
oh damn
is there a meta feature request out there yet to extend the ability to that?
@Olaf Congrats on 10k btw
It looks like stackoverflow.com/a/44740571/2756409 has really paid off for ya
@BaummitAugen Sorry, c/p flaw
Sorry, that one chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/37944033#37944033 will roomba (unless the answer gets upvoted/accepted). Too late to delete the request, though.
@TylerH Well, thanks. Isn't it a bit late, is it?
19:01
@Olaf er, this is the first I've noticed
or at least, I didn't remember what your rep was, saw it was at 10.6k, went to your rep graph and only glanced at it
and saw a big spike in July
Not looking at the y-axis though, I missed that the baseline was already 10k
so I may have already congratulated you and forgotten
@TylerH Oh, well, I think I'm over 10k since more than a year now. Nevermind, It is always nice to get congrats.
hi o/
hi @honk
oldish, but one time offender ok, I guess it will roomba also (even if not closed)
What do we do with this? (has NATO answer) stackoverflow.com/q/1064594/5292302
@PetterFriberg: It's some left-over from the www.iphonesdkarticles.com clean-up. Doesn't it need to be at -1 to get roomba'd?
19:14
I don't think so, anyway no problem, sorry for bugging you
Voted to close anyways.
@PetterFriberg it also has the definitive answer Use a library like jQuery :D
@PetterFriberg VTC, it's too broad and POB
19:15
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@PetterFriberg: Not feeling bugged at all. I'm happy to improve, if I do something incorrectly
it's also not even really a question
seems like a blog post moreso than anything else
Yeah it's a mess (for SO format)
not to mention all the answers really suck
meeh use jquery has most upvotes so I guess we are safe :D
then how do you answer an answer?
@BaummitAugen Thanks! I just looked at the "30 days" rule an missed the one below...
@PetterFriberg yeah if you want this to be a meme post :-P
19:22
@rene hoping for some massive amount of progress between your script runs? Or are you moving them manually?
Somebody stop him D-:
I'm thinking this is the userscript messing up and moving messages one at a time instead of all at once
19:24
What the heck is rene upto?
Rene's a bot confirmed; and a broken one atm it seems. :)
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Can someone kick him?
maybe we need a mod to suspend him
@rene hello?
@rene reboot
sorry
I don't mind frequent updates, but was a bit too frequent
19:28
Let's hope I found the issue by now
btw @PetterFriberg you should post that link as a real cv-pls if that's what you want. To make sure it doesn't get lost in the transcript, aka accountability/transparency :-D
@BaummitAugen apparently not :P
@BaummitAugen It got approved byt the author, so it doesn't conflict
Ffs.
> while declaring a 2D array of char type in c++ [duplicate]
Hm, should that be tagged C or C++?
leave a comment, OP seems confused..
19:32
Done.
I dropped a comment to the editor, too. Such edits are the opposite of helpful.
It`s stupid question (and trolling) day anyway today.
@TylerH Thanks, done, for the sake of transparency
19:52
Any lurking mod available?
@SmokeDetector smells like spam?
@rene Not that active, but yes.
@Ferrybig I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
since not mentioned in question, and the whole set is lurky I purpose we close it, mcve will do as well
@rene I'm about for a bit if @BhargavRao's busy...
20:02
Nah, taken care of.
Not busy, just sleepy eyed :/
Scooby snack? Scooby snack? Scooby snack!
Cool... @Adriaan I'm a bit full up at the moment - maybe tomorrow? looks hopeful...
@JonClements Depends upon how many flags I'll need clearance for :p
@Adriaan someone else went on a flagging spree today
20:08
I know
I'll recheck the list now
@BhargavRao heh, I've only flagged one thing today
and it was a misfire :-(
@TylerH yeah, saw the meta.
@JonClements an answer like this one and the other of the same style, should I flag those? It's basically naught but "I recommend this software"
It's not great, but a workaround could be to have 2 links to export files, the XLSX version hack for the Excels of the world and then a separate exported CSV file for the Numbers application. is an option present there...
This is nothing but a tool list
@JonClements I'd rather not have an angry ninja puppy aimed for me, so I'll refrain from flagging then
20:12
@Adriaan and the other one - bah... not worth doing anything with
And this one? I'd edit out the links I think to make it work
This is really a meta-answer and is not code related at all
@Adriaan What's to be done with it? Not much we as a room can do. Within our rules.
(Also HL 14 and WH around 135)
@Kyll I'm hoping one of the lurking mods will give some guidance (or: delete it)
@Kyll 49 and 290 :P
@Adriaan just wondering what you're going through where you're looking at stuff that's 7 odd years old? :p
20:18
Bed time for me, cya all. \o
Baum flagged >100 LO answers on the non-deleted questions there
I'm doing a second sweep
Ahh... and what's HL/WH mean?
@JonClements come play Hero Siege with me, Kyll and Madara and find out ;) It's only 50p or so at steam
@Adriaan Flag on, Flag on, guys, the queue is getting small, you're not keeping up with our pace.
@BhargavRao yae, he flagged the obvious ones, hence me asking a bit now
20:19
Err.... don't listen to @BhargavRao - everyone have a few weeks off...! :p
This answer is a reply to another one, as stated in the first line. It reads really POB to me, but is this even allowed? All he does is shoot down the tool someone else recommended.
@JonClements don't worry, from Sunday onwards I'll be drinking beer and not flagging
@Adriaan celebrating something?
@JonClements Not really; just got my last exam on Friday, and want to paint the house of the missus before she gets back a week later
and she lives around the corner from Brouwerij 't IJ, so that's where I'll spend the evenings :D
ahhh... don't have too much beer and get confused and end up drinking the paint or something... last time that happened, you painted yourself pink... :p
@JonClements which, if I may say so, brings out my eyes lovely
This sounds very off-topic but I'm not sure whether Server Fault or Webmasters would be the best fit
20:26
Regarding this Meta, here is a list of questions I thought need closing. Should be review though, I lack domain knowledge on a lot of them.
@BaummitAugen almost gone through them, posted here what I think of them
@Adriaan It's too old to migrate either way, and it's a reasonably well answered question. I'd just leave well enough alone. Unless it's attracting a bunch of LQ answers or something?
@Adriaan, @BaummitAugen What's the limitation on what you're looking at? There are thousands, if not tens of thousands (or more) of resource request questions.
@jpmc26 That's no reason to leave it alone. Just close it as OT, keep it here and don't let anyone else answer
@Makyen whether the question in its current form is on-topic for the site. They have already been edited to the best possible, and if that's still not enough, just close them
@Makyen Some meta folks + Shog tried to salvage some of them, I came in to complain about their hard work months later. XD
(I hope no one takes offense here btw, I'm trying to improve the process, not criticize any individuals.)
20:31
@Adriaan I did. It's a comparison question as it stands. What are the relevant differences when it comes to loading / filtering / rendering
Still not a great question by any means
But no longer "what's your favorite library"
@Shog9 hmm, still reads a lot like a tool rec to me, or otherwise POB (what exactly is relevant?)
@Shog9 accepted answer there is very much a tool rec answer, as is the other there
@Adriaan to not be a "tool rec", all that is necessary is that the scope be constrained.
That can be any / all of,
1) tools under consideration (which of *these* libraries)
2) specific tasks (how do I do *X*)
@Adriaan, OK. Here's about a thousand more closable resource request questions: library, API, module. A few are not closable. Some will Roomba if down-voted. Just change the thing they're looking for to get more.
@Shog9 Huh, I was under the impression that questions like "what are the differences between two competing libraries" were off-topic on SO
that ^
20:34
@Makyen Huh, only about 1k results; we could actually do this.
@TylerH why?
because they were specifically talking about off-site resources (not necessarily a recommendation request), rather than about solving a programming problem
...what?
Would a question about all the differences between Visual Studio and... I dunno, Eclipse, be similarly OK?
@TylerH as in, all the differences?
That's problematic.
Differences between... I donno, expression syntax for text search? That might actually be answerable and practical.
20:36
I mean, this question seems to be asking about all the differences between ImageMagick and GraphicsMagick
But "relevant differences" is suddenly OK? What if I think a certain aspect not relevant
1. Nobody needs to know the answer to this question.
2. It’s not nearly specific enough.
I am assuming these are both general "image manip" libs
3. It is difficult to learn from these questions.
4. It drives away experts.
> Are Google+ Circles better UX for sharing among friends than Facebook Groups?
> Hey, now we’re actually getting somewhere! We’ve scoped to a particular feature under the umbrella of UX.
20:37
@BaummitAugen I've mentioned them here before, but not a lot have been closed (some, but ...). Obviously, they are not [cv-pls] appropriate, except some very recent ones. I've voted on many of them, as they are an easy way to rapidly blow off spare close votes when you get down to 23:59UTC.
@Shog9 "Did you spend time with both features on both sites? Did you compare and contrast them yourself? What are others saying? Share your research!" all of which are lacking in that question
@Makyen I mean, that's like smaller than was. We could get a room for that.
It just smells like it's best answered by visiting the features page of each library's website and comparing/contrasting
You can't co
My main issue with lib comparisons like that would be that the answers are likely to get out of date.
20:39
You can't compare two tools as tools. It needs to be specific features
> Apart from what the GraphicsMagick comparison says, I see that ImageMagick still got updates and it seems that the two are almost identical.
@TylerH which, according to the question, is what he did prior to asking.
Back to that question @Shog9 all answers there are tool recs, especially the last one which reads the same but is downvoted heavily because people don't like the tool
And was unable to suss out any relevant differences.
In that case, "Foo is faster than Bar"; well, until Bar gets to version 2.13 where it tripled its speed compared to 1.01 at that time.
Hence the question.
@Adriaan Accepted: GM is faster
20:41
@Shog9 Well, sure, ket the question stand. But why keep all the tool recommendation answers?
Top voted: mostly pointless, almost certainly out of date.
Next voted: faster for TIFF
Next voted: faster for server-side processing
Last voted: ... content-free testimonial
So it seems like I would close it as "unclear what you're asking". What, related to programming, is he wanting to know regarding the two libs? The accepted answer is terrible: "GM is more stable and faster" which seems opinionated, at least until it can be backed up with some kind of speed test results
@Makyen no, it's quite specific.
@Shog9 OP is asking 4 questions (if you include the two from the comment), one of which is how to implement a broad feature, another of which is a request for a library recommendation/link
@JonClements can you do me favor and delete this from our transcript. RO's can't for ... reasons ...
20:44
@TylerH it's a duplicate. Re-closed.
@rene can't move messages in chat by deleted users :-(
@Shog9 I disagree. While something like the question might be narrow enough to answer, if it was asking about one specific application, or generally about one part of the process then it would be answerable. As it is, it's asking for a quite large, or very general description of the process (which would mostly be go look at these documentation pages, or go read these blogs). To me that feels to broad to cover (reasonably well) in the SO format.
@Adriaan I deleted the top and bottom answers, by votes.
@TylerH yeah, TIL
@Makyen it's tagged google-chrome-extension
20:46
@Shog9 Yea I saw. I guess that's the best that can be done.
At any rate, regarding the first question, "Should I" questions continue to fall under my personal umbrella of POB. There's not really anything you should do in programming except use spaces instead of tabs.
two per indentation level, specifically
Always put your braces on a new line, unless it'll confuse the JavaScript parser
Don't use dynamic variable names (at least in MATLAB)
20:48
Egyptian braces for the win.
> two four per indentation level, specifically
FTFY
Three spaces.
@Shog9 Some men just want to watch the world burn
True. But, I actually do use three spaces.
Also proportional fonts
Three spaces actually isn't bad. Better than four.
20:49
@JanDvorak two is right out
I use two.
Also, soft tabs.
If you let it, alignment concerns will eat you up. You'll find yourself at the end of a long day feeling that you've been productive, only to realize that all you've done is adjust the alignment of 300 parameter lists and draw a ASCII logo. Best to embrace the chaos.
btb @Shog9 do you have a network-wide trace on anyone using your name that you found me? :P
@Shog9 Which, along with Firefox extensions, is where I spend most of my time. So, yeah, that limits it a bit, but not all that much. Yes, you could talk, very generally, about the general groups of API's that would be used, and the methods of communication, but more than you use calls to these groups of APIs rapidly starts to get quite large (the specifics of the portions of this process have multiple separate questions).
@Adriaan next step is a knock on your door ...
20:51
@rene No problem, beer is cold and whisky is stocked
But the ASCII logo is the most important part of the project.
@Makyen That's fair.
@HovercraftFullOfEels Please review this post. I closed it as a dupe of this. I think the mistake is the same, whether you're removing with poll or with List's remove(int). What do you think? It was reopened.
@SotiriosDelimanolis that one is not closed?
I think the critical question there is detection, which is what I was focusing on; the last one is, as you say, probably unanswerable in a reasonable fashion without devoting a lot of attention to it in isolation.
20:53
@Adriaan It was reopened.
@SotiriosDelimanolis oh right; I always miss the fact that one can close and reopen posts without resulting in an "edit history" link, apologies
I'm off to bed now, good night all
Yeah, it's frustrating when looking for history.
rene passed a audit!
@SotiriosDelimanolis Change question to posts -> all else to "timeline"... pff, takes time :p
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