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01:54
Hello room
user3956566
02:07
\o
02:42
@Olaf thanks mate. :)
I had forgotten how to tag it properly.
user3956566
@ShamasS there's a script that you can ask for a cls-vt from the post itself
user3956566
@YvetteColomb will give it a look. thanks :)
@ShamasS FWIW: socvr.org/…
user3956566
@ShamasS yw :)
02:45
@YvetteColomb \o/
user3956566
@Olaf \o :)
How's the horse doing? How are you doing? (in this order please;-)
@FOX9000 meh, both versions are no improvement whatsoever
Hmm, is there a problem on SO or my ISP?? I got this message loading a question: "Stack Overflow requires external JavaScript from another domain, which is blocked or failed to load."
Any errors in the developer tools?
02:52
@NobodyNada No, I just loaded a normal question from the C tag and got this headline after some time. But now it seems to work. Not sure if this is a problem with my ISP or SO; other sites load fine, but I also have some DNS problems with leo.org. Darn Telekom, I really should config an independent DNS server ...
user3956566
@Olaf my horse is improving, thank God! I am also improving. My leg is still sore, but getting better. Thank you for asking :)
@YvetteColomb that's good! is your daughter's eardrum better?
@YvetteColomb Good to hear!!one!!eleven!!11
user3956566
@NobodyNada it is! thank you for asking, you are such a kind soul. She can hear well and everything
user3956566
@Olaf what is better than 1? two 1s 11 :)
02:54
@YvetteColomb Wait, wasn't that half a year ago?
@YvetteColomb that's great news!
user3956566
@Olaf not quite a few months, but she had trouble hearing for a while. @NobodyNada has been keeping track of her :)
user3956566
I tell all my news in here lol
@YvetteColomb Maybe we should rename to "Colomb Support Chat?" - just kidding, I'm fine talking not only on-topic (did I have to point that out?:-)
02:59
lol
user3956566
hehehehe I just told a joke in bad taste in a horse group and posted that, thought you might like it
I get this face from my guinea pigs every time I talk to them. No matter what.
user3956566
hahaha too funny
user3956566
they are smarter than us in many ways
@YvetteColomb Nah. GPs are stupid, even for a rodent. They are lovely, they don't need to be smart.
user3956566
03:13
@Olaf shhhhhhhhh @Kyll is related to GPs
@YvetteColomb Aren't spearels carnivores? I thought they are hunters - considering the spear. Point is my herbivores don't have to be smart. Gras is really bad at running away.
user3956566
@Olaf the spear is purely defensive. He eats grass.
@YvetteColomb I sometimes wonder which kind of grass .......
user3956566
lolololololol
@Olaf #define LARGER 50000
...huh?
03:20
@NobodyNada I gave up after few months wondering about the names in code posted here. But maybe if he calls it "SMALLER", the compiler can be tricked?
user3956566
lol
months?
@NobodyNada I'm an optimistic pessimist.
(I expect the worst, but hope for the best)
@Olaf But the question was posted 24 minutes ago
@NobodyNada Eh, yes ... so?
03:22
@Olaf Ohhhhh, you're referring to all the code posted in this room, not just the code in that question
That makes a lot more sense
@NobodyNada Not so much the code in this room, but SO in general :-)
Actually I don't have a problem with the few snippets here; they are mostly way better than what's outside (or I even have to take notice of from co-workers)
. . . . . . yes that sentence is as I want it (wanted).
@NobodyNada: how good do you know the C standard?
@Olaf Not well at all
@NobodyNada Too bad. I could use a C expert (in terms of standard C).
I have this discussion (see the comments). And as zwol does not respond, I'm not sure if he just gave up (which does not imply I'm wrong), or noticed I am right. Could use someone to cross-check. I'm fine if I'm wrong, just want to know.
@aschepler Your answer is correct per the letter of the standard, but people are arguing about it in the comments because many C implementations, as an extension, permit multiple definitions of a global variable, as long as they are all the same size and at most one of them has an initializer. You might want to add something about this to your answer. — zwol 2 hours ago
I think he's saying "You're right; a strict standard-conformant compiler behaves as you describe, but many C implementations will allow multiple definitions of a global variable as an extension."
03:40
@NobodyNada Ehm, yes, that is obvious. But he is wrong, which I padded by citations from the standard instead of just stating my opinion. I need someone to cross-check if my reading of the standard is correct, i.e. a language lawyer. Problem is zwol states it is an extension (see the comment to me before that). As I read the standard it is not an extension, but compliant behaviour. To the contrary, what he calls "letters of the standard" is not compliant.
It's getting a bit personal for his attack against me. I'm quite direct in language, accepted, but certainly not abrasive. But mostly for saying I'm plain wrong.
Anyway, bedtime it is. Good night every*!
user3956566
night
06:36
That has 7 answers already.
Morning everyone :)
OP just doesn't know how JS works... Nor do 4-5 of the answerers...
5-6 (answers += 1)
11 answers...
Can we please get rid of that already.
On a more positive note: If this is the quality of (JS) devs, nowadays, skynet isn't happening for a while.
06:52
lets state instead that skynet will not be developed in JS ;)
just 2 more close-votes ;-) Let's shut skynet down!
11 answers... seems like an important question..., maybe you should pass one to, it probably has not been elaborated enough.
It's a easy as **** question.
One which people flock to shouting misguided answers
Answers like the one claiming that JS objects are JSON.
@halfer: Please don't go defending that question.
For missing commas, we have a "typo" close reason.
/me throws comedy tomato at the Cerbrus wolf
I guess I need coffee before I find repw*cough* amusing.
06:57
I've not defended it, just that if the OP didn't know it was an object literal (they thought it was an array) that finding the section in the reference manual is hard.
It can still be closed
it needs to have a dupe as well, how to create...
:-p
Cerbrus is going to JSON school as well, is arguing with teacher!
Thanks for closing it. We're just 1 delete-vote away from ending derpnet before it starts.
This is pure gold @Cerbrus, how to inform you about learning principles???
It's rediculous.
And gone.
Yay :D
07:08
Aw, I was looking forward to learning more about JSON
I just had to screenshot the JSON lesson
For future reference
@MadaraUchiha :-D
When I grow old and suffer from korsakov, I can test my sanity with that :P
While we are at it, can we please make this java button disappear? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/36693082#36693082
07:11
voted
@Abhitalks I'm fairly sure he means JavaScript
@MadaraUchiha Aww.. you perhaps didn't look at the answers ;) There are people who disagree with you!
Yeah, I noticed.
It is tagged and and he does mention the button is on a website
So it's either an applet (lol) or it's JS.
@Abhitalks time is our best friend roomba 20 days (daily)..
user3956566
hello @MadaraUchiha long time no see
07:19
Hey, yeah.
user3956566
hello @Cerbrus my dear horse loving friend
I'm mostly lurking recently, stressed time at work
user3956566
hello @PetterFriberg Missed my diving firiend
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha tell me about it
user3956566
that's why I'm saying hello. Need to go now \o
07:20
@YvetteColomb \o/ How are ya?
are the horses still running strong?
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I'm good love. Got kicked by a horse and have another horse with a horrific injury. I desperately need to work
user3956566
I must close my tab xoxox miss you all
@YvetteColomb wow that's an ugly injury, some stitching and antibiotica and she will get well, cya Yvette!
@YvetteColomb Hi there.
07:30
@Ferrybig \o Ferry
07:41
If I knew how to do it, I'd delete my post here - please ignore it, the problem was elsewhere in the code and it took me 3 hours to notice that fault. Apologies. — user118504 23 hours ago
07:54
@Omar - I think it helps the scripts and bots here if you put your cv-pls in a tag
What's up with the code requests today... -.-
@halfer sure, thanks.
@SmokeDetector it was edited by someone.
08:12
Yeah by @tripleee to remove the signature, seems correct
hiya \o
09:05
@MadaraUchiha Hola! :D
@PraveenKumar \o/ Your BACK!
Yup @PetterFriberg! :D
Nice to see ya!
@PraveenKumar how was the vacation?, suffering from absence of SO?
Ha ha... Yea, man. Very much...
Vacation was good. Met my new wife... :P
it's good to get dis-intoxicated now and then
09:11
Ha ha ha... You don't know how toxic was the feel.
@PraveenKumar nice, Praveen Kids on the way?
Eh? LoL. We aren't yet married. Marriage on 27th August. First meeting! LoL.
wow, that will be fun
LoL. I am in the UK and she's in India... Missing each other.
My question stackoverflow.com/q/43490346/418343 has been closed, i edit it to clarify that it's not duplicated ,How to reopen it please
09:20
@AnynameDonotcare Whenever you edit a closed question, it gets to a review queue to be considered for reopening
However, your chances are slim
Because you didn't edit your question to precisely tell us why your question isn't a duplicate
@AnynameDonotcare you can try and ping the hamer under your question, explain the difference etc and listen to his advice, in a civil manner.
@M.A.R. but then why the closing didn't need to vote and the reopening need it
Having said that, having duplicates is okay if they help searchability
I would slightly worry about other reasons of closure, but duplicates, not much
@M.A.R. i have edited my question to illustrate why it's n't duplicate
As long as they haven't garnered many downvotes
@AnynameDonotcare Sajeetharan has a gold tag badge, that means they can single-handedly close questions as duplicate
They can reopen it if they come by it and think it's reopenable.
09:26
@AnynameDonotcare Sajee is my friend, ironically! :P
09:36
@AnynameDonotcare if a gold hammer determines that your question is worthy of reopening, they can similarly reopen single-handedly I believe
but by quick glance, and not really knowing your programming language, it looks like maybe you need to look at the MCVE guidance some more stackoverflow.com/help/mcve
hiya @PraveenKumar where have you been ?
Engagement and other things...
How come you became temp. banned from sO ?: (
@kayess Huh?
@M.A.R. As I remember he was suspended
09:47
o.o
10:10
Hi Folks, my first time in SOCVR.
This question has just been dupehammered: stackoverflow.com/questions/43491784/…
And I really don;lt think it should have been
It looks(to me, at least) like an issue with Python3's representation of floats when printed in a list as opposed to when printed individually. It's been closed as a dupe of the general 'Why are my floats wrong?? question. Which it isn't
@SiHa I'm not a python user so I can't decide; though I've pinged a python gold user in Slack. He'll have a look into it whenever he gets time
I've looked on meta, and it seems that this might be the place to raise it
@AshishAhuja Cool, thanks.
@PatrickHofman that was fast ...
10:14
@AshishAhuja Yup. Vote collision.
wafflez
10:42
@SiHa a moderator have changed the duplicate, check if better.
11:19
@PetterFriberg Much better, thanks for letting me know.
11:33
Morning
@NathanOliver 'noon!
@kayess BotOverflow... :)
12:26
@PraveenKumar welcome back
@Cerbrus Hi dude.
I have one doubt
Eh, what
how can i be in a chat room even i'm not online
like you guys, mods, caprica
Caprica is a bot...
Most us leave the computer open even when we aren't around.
12:37
She's always "online"
And like Madara says, I never* shut down my PC
@MadaraUchiha oh i guess so
thanks @Cerbrus
Eh, np, I guess
Always online™ as Cerbrus dude™
poor PC's.
12:45
Meh, they're built to handle it.
is it? may i know your pc's brand and model.
Dell Optiplex 9020 with some small modifications.
@gunr2171 meh, I would NAA flag the link only answer and leave it alone after that.
I'm with Nathan. It's not great but is related to coding
ok, retracting
13:10
@Cerbrus very nice
I gets the job done.
Could use some more RAM
I like 16GB. Unless you are running VM's not much need for more than that.
Dell Optiplex 9020 can be extensible upto 32
@NisseEngström: I have a chat reply notification from you, but it does not show up if I try to open it. Just see the beginning in the summary ("something about I am flatout wrong) Can you please post the text again? I'm really interested in the correct answer.
I build them at work with 16GB. 32GB is overkill unless you're doing something like rendering
13:13
Sounds like a deleted message
I've got 12GB.
massive
But visual studio is running on it... Which is a memory hog
Eh, no, 12 really isn't that much
My machine at home has 16GB and unless I have a VM up and running I never use more than 50%.
@Cerbrus Amongst other things
13:18
@Machavity Oh yea, I usually have around 10 tabs of that open as well
(minimal)
i have 8GB RAM, I too have VS 2015 SQL Server 2016... But everything going fine.
@Machavity yeah some times... Chrome take more time to open than VS
13:45
Any 2K+ fancy editing this answer? The code formatting is broken and when I fix it, I cannot submit the edit because I need to change 6 more characters... :/
@Henders fixed
Thanks :)
14:20
sigh 600+ rep user posts a Q that i found the dupe to with a simple google search with almost their title. :(
14:42
@SmokeDetector I'm just voting to get rid of the question
Is it spam?
Well, it seems to give the Q what they want so I'm not sure. Closing and deleting the Q fixes the problem.
@NathanOliver Invalid format. Valid format: !!/rmblu profileurl or !!/rmblu userid sitename.
@NathanOliver User removed from blacklist (7662526 on stackoverflow.com).
ty
:36703222 k
so much k
14:55
O/
yeah charcoal is hitting hard today.
(sd f)
:)
@Sami ಠ_ಠ
hahaha what?
@M.A.R. Hello again ^_^
15:08
someone must be cooking a lot of burgers
because there's a lot of charcoal today
searches back to see if I told you already...
Just realised the same answer is posted to both questions.
nope, seems first time offense.
@Makyen please don't make multiple requests for a single author. That's user targeting and is not allowed here.
15:23
(I generally fix formatting issues myself, but there is a point where if an OP does not make an effort, I think I am teaching them that editors will always be on hand to repair their work).
@gunr2171: out of interest, is there a widget by which cv-requesters can see if they've asked for a vote on a user before? I imagine I'll do it accidentally at some point
@gunr2171 OK. I did not even notice who the user was on those questions. I'm just going through the new/active questions in the tag. Do I also need to make sure that some user has not posted multiple questions?
@halfer no, but that would be a really good idea
Would get my +1 defo, I'd not do it deliberately
@Makyen no worries, I figured it was accidental.
"Do I also need to make sure that some user has not posted multiple questions?" What do you mean? All we check is that you don't cv-pls against the same user multiple times. (of course there are exceptions when need be)
Need some help to test something which is explained here.
Or you can give your credit card number right here, if you find that easier
15:35
Should I change the room URL to this room?
Sure - did you want the pin number and my national insurance number as well? :p
Ummm... think the keyboard needs new batteries (or I need to take typing lessons again)
@NobodyNada no, but please visit chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/721/shadows-den first, then execute that line
@gunr2171 I mean: I'm going through the new/active questions in a tag, not some user's list of Qs. Some I answer, some I comment on, vote on, some I vote to close and [cv-pls] (if I think the case for the closure is clear, etc.). I do this without regard to the user. Prior to posting a [cv-pls], do I need to go through my recent [cv-pls] requests to make sure that it's not for the same user? If so, over what period of time? Just those currently active?
I'm not trying to be pedantic. Sending more than one [cv-pls] for the same user from just the new/active questions is not something I've encountered previously.
@JonClements blaming hardware will always work
@JonClements You sure it wasn't cache?
15:38
@rene absolutely - and since I deal with software - it's not my problem to fix it :)
@Makyen ah, ok. The reason we do this check is for user targeting, so that a person doesn't go post a cv-pls, immediately go though the history of that user, and request the closure of more. What you're doing is fine. We know that they were both posted recently and you're not intentionally trying to "hurt" the author. We do have a sliding window on detection, but assuming you're going from the new/active list, you should be ok.
@mason how much rep users have really doesn't matter
It does to me.
it doesn't to this room
If you have a high reputation, you should set a good example.
15:47
please follow our rules
I am following the rules.
Whether you choose to close vote has nothing to do with the reputation.
@gunr2171 meh
But whether you decide to look at it or not, how much impact a high reputation user might factor into the decision.
@mason nah, not really. We want to close low-rep junk as well
um, no, it doesn't. If a post is off-topic, it's off-topic because the content is off-topic. I don't care who wrote it.
15:49
^
You're missing my point.
In fact, this seems less junky than some of the junk low-reps post
It's a well written question. Still off-topic.
still a four-in-one, but above median in terms of post length
user4639281
You're missing the point. The point is that we don't make any moderation decisions based on the user posting the content, we only factor in the content itself.
15:50
No, I still haven't missed it.
@TinyGiant but then again does it hurt to mention it anyways?
You are saying that I'm saying we have different standards for quality based on reputation.
And I am not saying that.
user4639281
It does hurt because it makes us look like we vote based on those things, even if we all ignore it
I am however saying that when we have high reputation user breaking the rules, we should more quickly process that because of the impact and influence such users have.
it doesn't make us look like that
user4639281
15:51
You do realize that bringing a post here is always going to be the quickest way to get it closed right?
That's why I came here!
user4639281
Emphasizing a posts need for closure is pointless
But I figured smart people like yourself might take a little more notice when a question has such an impact.
@TinyGiant you do realize that bickering about rules is a great way to get people out of here?
@mason the way you worded that cv-pls brings this room into trouble. Is that what you're after?
user4639281
15:52
We have many tools to make sure that no requests get left behind
If you choose to completely ignore it, that's up to you.
What trouble?
@rene I don't think it does
user4639281
There is no reason to include information in a request that could potentially make us look like we are voting on content based on anything other than the content itself.
user4639281
@JanDvorak You realize that the rules exist to make sure this room is allowed to continue existing?
I don't know why you would think that what I did would make you think that we are voting based on reputation.
15:54
@TinyGiant has anybody complained yet that we mention people's reputation?
user4639281
It's not about what I think. It's about what the users reading the transcript will think
user4639281
@JanDvorak Many people have complained pretty much any time we mention anything outside the post. Our cause has enough enemies, we don't need to make it worse.
@TinyGiant yeah, they'll think we're fighting over words
They'll think "hey, someone with a high reputation was potentially setting a bad example and someone thought it worthy enough to include that information so that others could go take a look at it."
user4639281
@JanDvorak The rules are the rules for a reason. You can either follow the rules, or not.
15:55
What rule did I break?
user4639281
@mason I'm sorry, but have you handled meta disputes about how we're an evil voting ring hive mind? I know I and the other room owners have.
I have seen some.
People can think we're evil anyways.
@mason casual readers that go over our transcript and then notice that we seem to be factoring in the user in our moderation. That has been given problems in few occasions in the past. I can do without that trouble. That is all. It is just a friendly request from the friendly RO's here so both the Room and the Community less familiar with our mode of operation can happily live until the end of time.
user4639281
@mason I'd rather not have any more thank you.
15:57
@rene It didn't seem very friendly. I'd be okay with a friendly request.
I don't think this will cause more. I appreciate your concern, but I will continue mentioning such details in the future. If someone then questions why I did so here or in Meta, I'll be happy to explain again.
12 mins ago, by rene
@mason how much rep users have really doesn't matter
wasn't really unfriendly IMO
Blunt, maybe, but not rude
I didn't see that as unfriendly.
True. But it did escalate.
Yes, it still does
15:58
Blunt is fine. I disagree with your stance on this issue but I still respect both of you.
@mason fine, I will continue to tell you to not do that then. Thanks for your concern.
alright, time for a coffee break, let's reconvene in 5 minutes.
#passive-aggressive. I vote for a coffee break.
No problem, thanks for your reputation-less consideration of the question ;)
@JanDvorak That might be so, I'll try to make it sound less unfriendly next time. Sorry.

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