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00:00
@Lankymart I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@Drew another one ^^
Lankymart passed a audit!
00:20
@Lankymart You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 18 minutes and 18 seconds, averaging to a review every 27 seconds.
Lot of questions popping up in the CV queue
00:31
@QPaysTaxes I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@QPaysTaxes I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Sam
Sam
Huh
That's odd
@Clo room stats details
@Sam Today, 2 members have reviewed a total of 43 items.
 | User       | Review Items Today |
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 | Lankymart  | 40                 |
 | QPaysTaxes | 3                  |
Sam
Sam
Bugs be buggy.
QPaysTaxes passed a audit!
@Sam did the same thing to me before, was pinged twice while reviewing to tell me it noticed I started reviewing
00:39
@4castle I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@4castle I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Yup
@Closey my stats
@4castle You've reviewed 0 posts today.
Wat
I've done ~4
Sam
Sam
Hmm
@QPaysTaxes You've reviewed 12 posts today (of which 1 was an audit). The time between your first and last review today was 11 minutes and 43 seconds, averaging to a review every 58 seconds.
00:47
@Closey my stats
@Lankymart You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 1 was an audit). The time between your first and last review today was 20 minutes and 28 seconds, averaging to a review every 30 seconds.
@Closey room stats
@Lankymart 3 members (12% of this room's registered reviewers) have processed 57 review items, which accounts for 45.6% of all CV reviews today.
Room stats seem right, I'd try your stats again @4castle
@Closey my stats
00:51
@4castle You've reviewed 4 posts today. The time between your first and last review today was 1 minute and 47 seconds, averaging to a review every 26 seconds.
Aha, so it was just delayed
@QPaysTaxes You've reviewed 13 posts today (of which 1 was an audit). The time between your first and last review today was 14 minutes and 47 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 8 seconds.
user4639281
No one cares about my synonym request :P
@FOX9000 My goodness, look at that username!
What do we do about offensive edit summaries?
01:01
I have to go; see you later!
user4639281
@Lankymart I would flag a post for moderator attention. If the edit itself is rejectable, reject it.
I'd say if the edit was actually good somehow: copy the source -> reject and edit -> paste
It's in relation to this edit that was rejected, however the offence summary still remains.
Tim suggests here flagging the edit, but I don't see anywhere to do that on a suggested edit review?
user4639281
@Lankymart only a dev could change that
@TinyGiant because it was rejected it doesn't appear in the revision history so I guess it doesn't matter really.
user4639281
01:15
@Lankymart It does appear in the timeline, but no one knows about that page anyways
user4639281
@nathan you got 'd
QPaysTaxes passed a audit!
user4639281
> That said, Shog9 added the blacklist while I was answering. So that's fine too. ;-)
user4639281
So... it was declined, but implemented?
@TinyGiant always forget about the timeline view.
01:20
@QPaysTaxes You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 49 minutes and 22 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 14 seconds.
@QPaysTaxes done that now. Thx
user4639281
@Nathan ohh.. he marked it as declined, then shog implemented it, then he marked it as completed
well, apparently it doesn't work on meta meta.stackoverflow.com/a/342873/792066
@Braiam I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Braiam passed a audit!
@Closey I'm surprised I didn't knew it was an audit... but it was so easy to follow since php
01:38
Night all, time to hit the hay.
 
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user4639281
02:49
Waffles
@TinyGiant yum
user4639281
Waffles work for you? :P
user4639281
:P
user4639281
> In computer programming, a weak reference is a reference that does not protect the referenced object from collection by a garbage collector, unlike a strong reference. An object referenced only by weak references – meaning "every chain of references that reaches the object includes at least one weak reference as a link" – is considered weakly reachable, and can be treated as unreachable and so may be collected at any time. Some garbage-collected languages feature or support various levels of weak references, such as Java, C#, Python,[1] Perl, and Lisp.
user4639281
cc@yvette
user3956566
@TinyGiant yep thanks
user3956566
> Because a weak reference does not keep a strong hold on the instance it refers to, it is possible for that instance to be deallocated while the weak reference is still referring to it. Therefore, ARC automatically sets a weak reference to nil when the instance that it refers to is deallocated. developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Swift/…
user3956566
@TinyGiant ^^
user4639281
03:30
I haven't found a strong reference to the reference counting part yet though
user4639281
> In Objective-C 2.0, not only garbage collection, but also automatic reference counting will be affected by weak references. All variables and properties in the following example are weak.
user4639281
(same wikipedia)
user3956566
@TinyGiant they do count.
user4639281
> Perhaps the most obvious way to handle reference cycles is to design the system to avoid creating them. A system may explicitly forbid reference cycles; file systems with hard links often do this. Judicious use of "weak" (non-counted) references may also help avoid retain cycles; the Cocoa framework, for instance, recommends using "strong" references for parent-to-child relationships and "weak" references for child-to-parent relationships.[11]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_counting
user4639281
uses the words "non-counted"
user4639281
03:36
> In order to understand that, you have to understand reference counts. In Objective-C every object has a reference count (i.e. the number of strong references to the object). If there are no strong references, the reference count is 0 and the object gets deallocated.
> http://stackoverflow.com/a/15674436/4639281
user4639281
So the text looks to be correct
user3956566
@TinyGiant yep I agree, posted this meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/342877/… @Undo you may be interested
Sane
user3956566
I only linked that meta post in here, as we were discussing it. I always try to let people know who have an interest in a topic
user3956566
@Undo yep after our onslaught on plagiarism. Have you still got that query to check wiki edits?
03:43
Probably, haven't used it in forever
user3956566
after my exams I can have a look at some of them and check for plagiarism
user3956566
same
03:54
Good evening
user3956566
good afternoon :D
user4639281
@Undo How do mods feel about approvers of such edits, flag-worthy or no?
@TinyGiant Main issue is that it requires technical knowledge, which typically means it's out of moderator purview.
"Mods don't feel anything."
user3956566
@BhargavRao you are setting a poor example pinging Sam like that :p
04:00
also that
04:15
Waffles waffle waffles waffling waffled waffles
user4639281
@TinyGiant I have actually seen that photo for a legit reason before
user4639281
Oh yeah? What for?
Something about how a train overshot its target because of metric/imperial disagreement
Toasty toasters toast toasty toast toastier.
04:19
It was the brakes not metric system confusion
user4639281
@AndrewLi hahaha
@4castle Alfalfa alfalfa alfalfa alfalfa alfalfa.
Only fined 50 francs for killing an old lady and overshooting the terminus? Nice
Toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast.
user4639281
waffles
05:10
@Drew another one ^^
05:59
Is this a thinly-veiled spam answer? stackoverflow.com/a/42017166
 
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07:26
@TheLostMind: Are you there?
07:44
@Cerbrus - Yes, I've taken care of the flag
Hiya
Hey @kay \o
Hey @Bhar \o
howdy
Doing great. Getting ready for a production release on Monday.
How bout you?
07:53
Billing horror -- when you realise you need to consult your business partners.
@TheLostMind Thanks again
no issues... :)
Oh, that's thorough :O
What happened? o_O
Not that I particularly mind
You know those rooms we discussed quite a bit, a few weeks ago?
07:59
Ahem, I got that. Nvm.
user4639281
Oooo secrets and misdirection, I'm intrigued
@TinyGiant - Nothing special.. We stole a few waffles from someone who said that he had stolen 'em from a thief in Paris
user4639281
Oooo
Ppppppp
user4639281
08:06
[:]P-|-<
good one ^
user4639281
:)
A Wild Tiny Appears \o
I was kinda worrying for you after seeing your wrathful comments on meta:)
user4639281
o/
user4639281
I get passionate at times.
08:27
Hiya
08:46
\o
user6438653
Too Board
user6438653
Hey @Tunaki, @BhargavRao!
Hiya o/
user6438653
08:51
What's up? o\ o/ \o o/
user6820627
Sounds like you should take a break. — Mike C 13 hours ago
user6820627
^ what does it mean?
Take a break! Buy KitKat.
It means it's time for coffee
Plop everyone!
Plop @Kyll
user6438653
09:00
Hey @LearnHowToBeTransparent
user6438653
lol
user6438653
@snowman
user6438653
@Yam I love your pic
user6438653
lol
user6438653
bye
user6820627
09:40
@BhargavRao yeah. Eat waffles!
10:39
@YvetteColomb You should only post [cv-pls] requests for Stack Overflow. We specifically do not moderate any Meta site; Meta (SO) moderates us.
10:56
@BhargavRao deletable
 
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12:09
Also, flags on bad answers on bad questions are usually declined. (If it comes to the mod queue, that is)
@BhargavRao want me to retract?
Well, you can trust your luck, as 4 votes is enough for it to be deleted (from the LQPQ). but totally depends on you. :/
good thing declined flags are not on my worry list
Yeah, Now it is not on my worry list as well. I stopped flagging :/
Good morning
Sam
Sam
12:35
Hiya
Morning
Greetings
@BhargavRao I see you are still handling flags ;)
Handling, Not flagging
no more spam flags?
I mean no more NAA flagging :|
12:44
Yeah, with one click delete NAA and VLQ flags are kinda pointless.
user3956566
13:03
@NisseEngström sure
13:47
Hi!
o/
^ second answer already flagged. It somehow received an upvote too...
Weird !
Can do, but will it help?
Don't ask for downvotes or suggest it in here
13:51
But... what can I do, again?
CV the question, vote for its deletion if you want
@Kyll what if I just state that a downvote would make something eligible for deletion?
@JanDvorak It's borderline, and you have to realize that this will be used on Meta to say how we're criminally posse-voting, hence putting us in a difficult situation
Has it ever happened?
We didn't put up these rules just because we like silly rules
@JanDvorak People finger-pointing us on Meta or other rooms? Yeah, it lead to pretty awful consequences a while ago
Won't link to any of that here though.
13:54
I'm curious, what consequences?
The funny thing is, People take stuff out of context, Bookmark it and link to the conversation. So don't ask for upvotes or downvotes.
@JanDvorak Yes we have been called a voting ring and a mob and other things on meta.
We are NOT a voting ring
@NathanOliver but we're a closevoting ring, aren't we?
13:55
@JanDvorak No, we are not
@Drew another one ^^
A voting ring is defined by the inability of the individuals / bots in it to make a decision for themselves
@JanDvorak We have been called one a few times.
@PetterFriberg well, the answer didn't call out downvote swarming as bad
hmm
> I completely agree that large, organized voting efforts for deletion of old questions is bad
13:57
where did you read that Petter?
That was 18 months ago. Are we going to discuss this again?
@Tunaki durron's
Ah yes
So, that rule came out of one of the visitors here apologizing too hard? :-D
"one of the visitors?", that was the RO ; )
@JanDvorak Visitors? durron's a RO
13:59
I don't think I've seen him in a while
Nope, he's been inactive for a few months
This has been discussed and debated 18 months ago. This rule is unlikely to ever change.
Yeah just wanted to provide some background...
We have to be careful about our actions, for SO has not been built with our room or something like it in mind.
but hey, rules are made to be broken. #thatMeta
Then file a GitHub issue for the next meeting
14:20
Nooooooooooo. They declined the FR to unpin accepted answers from the top of the answers :'(
(Again)
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Q: Burninate request for [null-statement] tag

lorondTag null-statement is barely useless because there is almost nothing to discuss and track. It could be named in different ways, for example: empty statement. In 1 of 2 questions it used incorrectly.

@Tunaki This was reopened. Would you please review?
morning!
woot, I'm not sick anymore
Hey gunr
14:32
Woot. Hiya gunr
Plop gunr!
@SotiriosDelimanolis I'm really thinking answerers should not be allowed to reopen questions....
@Tunaki Or require 5 votes.
@Tunaki love the hammer action :D
14:42
Can anyone explain what is Flag disputed mean?
the community disagreed with your flag, most likely from a review.
I flag a post as duplicate , my flag was disputed , but after that the post marked as duplicate
It probably passed the triage review. link to Q?
ok
That is something that can happen. A review (either triage or CV queue) didn't close it, but external to the queue someone/some people closed the question
14:45
I flag the post on Jan 23 at 14:09
Yep. It passed the triage review. No worries though. Disputed flags don't count against you.
Ok thank you guys for the explanation :)
"Looks OK"?!?!?! It's got bold-italics-full-caps text at the start! Edit that out!
Hahaha he know that his post is duplicate
Reminder: there's a CVQ event today in ~6 hours! If you're going to be up then, save some CVs!
What do we do if there is an answer in spanish which appears (through gisted translation) to be asking for more information? Is that NAA or VLQ?
@Tunaki except in the instance where a question was incorrectly closed. So... how do you account for that?
(or something else)
@Henders VLQ
15:14
Thanks :D
@TylerH Sadly, all I'm seeing are instances where it was not wrongly closed... but I guess one vote (not binding) should be ok
15:56
Why some users can post the same A to the same Q?
@Tunaki Have you seen any posts about short month abbreviations with dots? I'd like to close this which has a really terrible answer.
@SotiriosDelimanolis I would just close with the canonical "how to parse a date"
@Tunaki That's the first one that comes up. The second most upvoted answer's comment about Locales is relevant
I don't like the manual parsing of the rest of the answers
16:25
indeed
@HovercraftFullOfEels if you have a couple of seconds, here are some delete candidates in Java gist.github.com/sotodel/0a2d92faa6c08192efed94fd4044a9cc
@SotiriosDelimanolis: you'll need to add this one: Operating on a recursive method, it is a poor duplicate of a previous question. I cannot down-vote it since I've likely down-voted the OP a bit too much already.
added
@tunaki or @HovercraftFullOfEels I voted to close too quickly here. Can one of you dupe with this?
@SotiriosDelimanolis: done
JAL
JAL
mornign all o/
mornign @JAL
Hiya JAL
JAL
JAL
How's everyone doing today?
I'm doing well! A bit tired, but tomorrow's Saturday, so that's nice
JAL
JAL
16:57
yes! happy Friday
ROs are considering running FireAlarm here this weekend, so I'm excited about that! It's running in the testing facility right now as a trial
JAL
JAL
That's very cool, congrats!
unfortunately, running it in two rooms at once has exposed a nasty Foundation bug on Linux
JAL
JAL
Ah, that's the way it goes with Apple. Did you file a radar or jira ticket at bugs.swift.org?
@NobodyNada uh, your welcome?
JAL
JAL
17:00
Hey gunr
@JAL No; I'll do that soon
I don't think it'll be too hard to make an MCVE for it
JAL
JAL
cool, I'd be interested in hearing what it is
in SOCVR Testing Facility, yesterday, by NobodyNada
Anyway, it seems like my suspicion was correct: Foundation crashes when I try to perform multiple requests at the same time.
in SOCVR Testing Facility, yesterday, by NobodyNada
It says fatal error: transfer completed, but there's no currect [sic] request, so I'm guessing it has some sort of a "current request" variable it sets when a request starts and clears when it finishes
in SOCVR Testing Facility, yesterday, by NobodyNada
But when I run multiple requests at the same time, it chokes because the two requests overwrite each other.
JAL
JAL
let's move this convo to the testing facility
17:14
@NobodyNada FireAlarm is offensive comments, right?
@TylerH No; that's Heat Detector, by Petter. FireAlarm detects low-quality questions.
Yeah we can send comments here from HeatDetector, but since we have a lot of users and mods in Sobotics it does not really have sense anymore, 1 flag kills them anyway, they are like NAA answers..
@JAL Congrats JAL, hammer away...
saw it a bit late, yesterday I was concentrating on language detection : ), I can only do 1 thingy at the time...
17:44
If anyone is really bored, the four pages long revision history of the "Time to take a stand" post might make for interesting reading.
@NisseEngström make it a drinking game. Every time the post is close-cycled, take a shot.
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@NisseEngström that's quite a revision history
@gunr2171 Best idea I've heard all day!
We going to have those posts when the AfD gets into power in Germany, Le Pen in France and Wilders in the Netherlands as well coming year, or is this a Merica FIRST principle?
17:52
at this point, no idea
but let's leave meta to meta
@NisseEngström s/day/year/
@NisseEngström "reinstalled my localhost" *mindblow*
JAL
JAL
@PetterFriberg Thanks, no worries! Putting out fires at work today but I'll be back later to keep hammering

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