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8:11 AM
@Tunaki You don't need the next 30 minutes
Just 2.
You can't edit the message afterwards anyway.
 
True
@Queen k
 
@Tunaki Yeah as you know we already have consider this, just need some dev time : ), was hoping on Franker : )
 
Oh I forgot about it then :D
Hiya Petter
 
Aloha
Sooner or later we need to do it.. but first I need to go through the 2500 comments : )
another stuff that is pending is the stats on hammers, you would be surprised how much effort and how many community votes you have done Tuna!!!
 
@Queen k
 
8:25 AM
go go Madara : )
I have almost 800 duplicates closed by you Tuna, thats around 4000 reviews : ), 1/2 the review que...
 
@Queen k
 
You should have here in the javascript room, so you can share the workload : )
 
well well
 
only Tuna can handle a high traffic tag by himself : )
 
Underwater petter
is submerged
 
8:38 AM
@Queen k of another one
 
haha
@PetterFriberg aloha
 
Aloha Cold
@Magisch Hunting Tuna's
 
I wonder about these new docs rep changes
So if I entirely rewrite an example, basicly the same as entirely contributing one, unless it ends up being more characters then previously, my change will not only not net +2 rep, it will never net any rep
So essentially don't touch an example unless you make it longer
 
@Queen k
 
@Magisch that would be the rep whore's view on it
It should be can I improve it? -> touch it
 
8:43 AM
@TimCastelijns I'm not a rep whore but in the same way I don't edit a crap NAA on SO into a lenghty quality answer to get rep to the original author I won't rewrite examples when it means not only do I get nothing but other people get something from my effort
I have no problem with getting little to no rep from contributions but the notion that I get nothing while others get everything for something I've written myself in entirety is quite dumb.
 
ok but you didn't say the example in the example was a crap one
 
There's a hard cap on examples
So the rep whore strategy would be to write tons of mediocre to bad ones until a topic is capped
further users will have to edit their example into shape rather then make new ones
Meaning they essentially ensured they will recieve continous reward from all further user effort going into a topic
 
@Magisch I would say that if there is enough good content to start with then improve example. If it is crap don't polish it flag it for being low quality. It will either get polished by someone else or deleted.
 
@Magisch sounds like abuse there
 
@Tunaki In the same way that FGITW'ing bad questions is abuse
It technically is, but we can't assume malicious intent
It just reeks of a "first come, first serve" mentality when it comes to rewards on docs where not only is fgitw encouraged but after enough people have done it you can't even get your own solution in any more
 
8:48 AM
@Magisch Something like that. I don't mind not getting reputation for improving and editing other people's posts like on main SO, but with examples there is not enough maneuvering space to keep good content in and bad out.
 
@Magisch that's exactly how the main site works, so I doubt they'd see a problem with that
 
No, its exactly not how main works
If I have a great answer to a question I can post it and if people judge it worthy, it rises to the top
 
assuming that people will see it
which they may not, because you took too long to write it
 
this would be like if every main post had a 3 answers cap and rather then posting your great answer you'd have to edit the FGITW barely not NAA one, for which the guy who spent 10 minutes on it then gets all the rep
 
@TimCastelijns on main site anyone can post answer, without going through up-front review and voting determines quality.
 
8:51 AM
@Magisch true
 
@Queen k
 
Under the new system I get absolutely nothing for the giant C example I essentially wrote entirely but isn't considered a substantial edit because the final product had a few chars less then the first version bloated with direct quotes from the standard
Not that it matters much to me, but what does piss me off is that the guy who wrote the original bloated and bad draft gets credit and rep for my work and I don't
 
@Magisch Yeah, I agree. str.length difference is too naive an approach.
 
@Magisch Further users could delete the crap examples.
 
8:53 AM
Then they could add their own
 
(Also, anyone else interesting in JS)
 
Funnily, a couple of grammar edits on a single example will still enable you to get continous rep if you game the system
 
Anything can get you rep if you game the system
 
nobody is forcing you to participate in docs and get frustrated by how it works :)
 
I think with these changes to docs we basicly need to be much more strict with deleting bad examples instead of fixing them
 
8:55 AM
Guys, did we need this to be deleted, by the way? stackoverflow.com/questions/5775046/cross-platform-mobile-app
@Magisch Agreed
 
That kinda goes against the concept of docs a lot, but eh
 
@Magisch Agreed
@Magisch Well, the concept needs to adapt then :)
 
@Cerbrus looks like a big bag of crap to me
 
@Cerbrus Yeah but it can't be deleted until 2 days
 
Maybe our currently active resident overlord wouldn't mind having a look? ;-)
No ping, no pressure :P
 
Yea
 
looks like
 
No more spammy than the other answers I guess
 
^ that would help also
 
9:07 AM
@Tunaki why?
 
same user as before, Magisch reported, spamming
 
hmm well I do post by post.. will not flag that, question is bad and answer is bad.. but spam meeh
 
Oops, @tuna. I meant to say that the post might not be spam. There was another post w/o a link and hence it might not have been a spam. But, yeah, Now that the post is gone, Meh.
 
This is some petty SEO spam for their ad-laden tech blog
 
Meh I just jump out for 20 minutes to rob out the coffee machine and you guys flood here ~150 lines
 
9:08 AM
and they've posted exactly the same answer on 3 questions now.
 
Gets the goggles ready
 
nothing important :-)
\o
 
\o
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How can I record my iPhone's screen? by maccolar on apple.stackexchange.com
One on apple.SE too
 
@BhargavRao The 2nd one is still there
 
9:09 AM
will make a really bad audit...
 
@PetterFriberg Leave a comment
comments on posts are shown during audits
 
I left a comment
 
great!
 
@Queen k
 
Hiya @Mad \o
 
9:10 AM
hOi
 
Still there with an edit pending stackoverflow.com/a/39343691/1743880
 
@MadaraUchiha so sexy
Plop!
 
Backplop @Kyll
@MadaraUchiha do you know if will there be a SO mod. election campaign this fall?
 
@kayess I don't, but I can ask.
 
blob @kayess
 
9:15 AM
@MadaraUchiha Please do :)
 
@Kyll
 
blob @Cold
 
Mod Ninjas Mod :P
 
Ahoy @TheLostMind \o
 
9:17 AM
Aye Aye @kayess
 
Our close votes!!
:(
 
arrh deleted wanted to vote POB... but true I saved a cv
 
Oh Dang.. I will be more careful
 
not more careful just quicker : )
 
9:21 AM
haha
 
@Kyll on the same watch tab eh ?:)
 
@MadaraUchiha Got Backer for this lol
@kayess :D
 
Today's spam incidents are more then average
 
been hit hard
Seriously, that user doesn't get it?
 
Just how often does this need to be deleted before the user takes a hint
 
9:31 AM
 
@Tunaki Thats a clueless user asking a question in an answer and thinking you offered to help them
 
lol tuna
 
@Tunaki NAA as it gets
 
@TheLostMind Do you guys still do the "Email the spammer's company to tell them to cut it" thing?
cause for the guy or gal whose been spamming the last 3 times I actually found contact info
 
@Magisch Boy, does that sound like a complete waste of time.
 
9:34 AM
@Kyll yeah flagged
 
@tuna been edited into full blown NAA
 
yup
 
Jesus F. Christ that Spammer's company website is obnoxious
If someone took hipster lessons on web design and decided to go so far overboard they came back on the other end and went overboard again
 
Ew yep it's disgusting
 
Stop giving them clicks
 
9:36 AM
lol
 
Choking on animations
 
Sam
@JanDvorak Missread that for another word starting with d...
 
"another"?
 
@Sam You see clicks everywhere, man
 
And yes, stop giving them that, too
 
Sam
9:37 AM
:p
@Kyll same thing with pom files
 
@Sam ikr
 
solution: monospace fonts
 
Sam
yep
screw kerning
 
10:00 AM
@Queen opt-out [javascript]
 
@MadaraUchiha Ok, duplicate notification in this room for the tag have been removed
 
Too spammy for me, sorry XD
 
Eh :)
@Queen k
 
@MadaraUchiha Haha, Warned ya :D ... You can always use this page to view the JS dupes, whenever you are free :)
 
haha
 
10:04 AM
@Magisch - Not anymore.. We have no way of separating out "real spammers" from the fake ones
 
are there fake spammers?
 
nice question
 
Well, "you" could start posting "use company X's product / website" on all questions that you see. and we would end up talking to the legal dept of Company X :) @Tunaki
 
@MadaraUchiha Yeah convince the javascript room to have the feed (without) the pings and we will get some dupes closed : )
 
10:13 AM
@petter Smooth ;)
 
: ), always worth a try.... lots of dupes... but we need hammers...
 
Let's see
in JavaScript, 35 secs ago, by Madara Uchiha
How would you feel about a bot posting possible duplicates tagged into the room?
 
Thanks : ), lets see
 
lol JAVA CODERZ@MOVIEZ cc @Tuna
 
10:49 AM
Anyone here knows how to move a message to another chatroom (I'm a RO in the room of origin of the message)
 
Ner the room's tags, click the "room" dropdown
There's a "move messages" link in there
 
thanks
 
Hiya
 
user3956566
@Kyll slack! Now!
 
11:04 AM
@Yvette hey
 
need to wait for 3 days @AshishAhujaツ
 
@BhargavRao oh alright
didn't notice that
 
@BhargavRao why?
 
user3956566
hi \o
 
user3956566
i gotta go \o
 
11:07 AM
@ColdFire to delete a post that's just been closed.
 
I posted a meta FR
 
11:27 AM
o/
 
/o
 
o\
 
11:31 AM
o|
 
/o\
 
~O)
 
(O~
 
11:46 AM
What does 'TIA' mean? I've seen it on a bunch of question for the past few days
 
Thanks In Advantage :p
 
Advance? Oh.
 
TIL - Today I Learned
 
20 more rep and I can cast CVs!
 
TIA - Today I Adviced
 
11:48 AM
It's at 3k right?
 
@AndrewL. *22 more
 
lol
 
Just downvoted some posts
 
:o
 
@AndrewL. Do it yourself.
 
11:56 AM
:o!
 
congrats @AndrewL.
 
!!!
 
@AndrewL. i downvoted your post to put back to 2998
haha
 
65 silver badges on meta
\o/
 
Congrats!!
 
11:58 AM
nice
 
Congrats both of ya
 
Thanks! Finally :)
 
12:23 PM
It's 5CVs to close right?
 
Yes
 
except for dupe hammers
 
Well yeh
I can finally CV!
2
 
Or Gungnirs
 
lol
 
12:24 PM
lol
 
@AndrewL. Congrats, some fun for ya chat.stackoverflow.com/…
3
 
@AndrewL. May some deity have mercy on us :)
 
lol @PetterFriberg
 
12:25 PM
@NinjaPuppy I'll try my best.
 
Lol @petter
 
soon I can delete vote... SO will not be safe anymore
 
haha
 
@PetterFriberg oh lordy... the beginning of the end has arrived!
 
only 137 left
 
12:25 PM
@PetterFriberg if only we could delete ninja profiles...
2
 
@NinjaPuppy start deleting my answer...
 
Only a page and a half
 
@petter you are 9 short of 9876 :O
 
isBhargavRaoHappy() { return reputation % 5 == 0; }
2
 
133 short of 10K... give me a week : ), depending on how many answer NinjaPuppy deletes...
 
12:28 PM
haha Tuna
 
@Queen k
 
What happens to dupe cv requests?
 
FGITW
 
Oh ok
 
@AndrewL. that could use a waffle
 
12:36 PM
@Tunaki done
 
@Tunaki as could this dupe you voted on yesterday
 
@Adriaan hmm which question? :p
 
I like waffles
 
@Tunaki you sneaky editor. I can't :(
jättebra, tack så mycket
 
varsågod
 
12:40 PM
@PetterFriberg kanelbullar.
 
I have italian keyboard : )
 
I use a regular qwerty one (probably US), but with international-with-dead-keys setting, so I can use random (Swedish, kuch) letters
 
yeah, kanelbullar is better the waffles
 
That's spam for me
 
@PetterFriberg damn, now I want them....
 
12:41 PM
Yeah, though may be borderline because there is a free version ?
 
@Cerbrus "rule" is something that you should follow, that is in the help center, right? Now, the application of that "rule" is that "you should not do this, but since it became popular we allow it", yet the help center says nothing about this. The help center becomes "guidelines" instead of "rules" because the enforcement of the rule isn't followed to the letter and spirit of it.
 
perhaps I should just go bake them
 
go and by them at IKEA
 
and that's all semantics I'm going to discuss
 
@PetterFriberg my oven is closer :p
 
12:42 PM
That's not how a "discussion" works, @Braiam.
 
@kayess has nothing to do with the question thoguh
 
You don't just come into a room, tell me I'm wrong, then bail out.
 
especially when I was in Luleå; closest IKEA was in Haparanda...
 
I'm not telling you you are wrong, just that it is my vision of the reality
you don't agree, that's fine, but nothing you say will make me change my views
 
> Now, the application of that "rule" is that "you should not do this, but since it became popular we allow it"
That doesn't change the rule
 
12:44 PM
and I rather you discuss something we can agree with
 
Exceptions don't influence SO's sets of rules.
Exceptions are made on a case-by-case basis
 
@Braiam no, this room is for disagreements, sorry.
3
 
Just because an exception has been made once, doesn't mean the same exception should be made again. You're implying that, the moment an exception has been made, the rule basically loses all value.
 
@kayess Yeah I disagree with that
 
@Tunaki I even disagree with myself
 
12:45 PM
@kayess No you don't.
 
lol :D
 
lol
 
@Cerbrus well, the exception has been consistently made if the content is "popular", so, the customary "rule" is that "we don't allow this, but if it becomes popular we do", which is repulsing for me
 
consistently? Hardly.
 
@kayess I wholeheartedly disagree with you, but that doesn't mean that I agree with @Tunaki either
 
12:47 PM
Context, this discussion was sparked from this comment:
@Cerbrus rather than "rules", the troughs police want you to call it "guidelines". If they were rules, then many of the locked questions would not exist in SO anymore. — Braiam 1 hour ago
 
I disagree with @tuna fishy ways
 
haha
 
@Adriaan It'd be like he was never there. A true ninja!
(Yea, slowpoke, I only just now saw that star)
 
@MadaraUchiha umm... "summer love" makes your eyes burn too?
 
@Braiam I wouldn't expect less of you.
 
12:51 PM
I didn't want to meet your expectations
 
@Tunaki Thats kinda agreeing eh ?
 
haha
 
@kayess Certainly not.
 
Now I disagree to get back to work
That was fast-ish
 
No, it wasn't.
 
12:56 PM
There's definitely been faster
 
> deleted less than 20 seconds after being reported
 
That's why I wrote -ish, so it's not agreeing
 
hey, this is interesting, flexport.com/blog/on-hanjin (and sorry to all of the people that has cargo abroad, delays would be infernal)
 
@kayess I disagree. It's more-or-less kinda agreeing.
 

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