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user4639281
16:00
@Mogsdad It should, does for me. I'll test it out in FF and let you know.
@JonClements also gunr and Tiny are ROs :-)
user3956566
Can I ask room members for feedback on me nominating myself for RO?
@PraveenKumar if we generally say that then we might need to try to make into a question: Does it need closing and maybe nuking?. it is a bit silly but outsiders would probably better digest that.
what is the general rule of thumb for yes/no questions?
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Too many aussies
16:02
She can't fix that, can she?
user3956566
@DavidG one Aussie is too many? :D
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Yup!
@MartinJames You should prove him wrong by giving me a really elegant solution that depends on your correctness in this matter. — jphollowed 16 mins ago
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW, you can;)
OP laying down the gauntlet for Martin :-D
in a clever "give me the answer" way
props
user4639281
16:03
@SmokeDispenser Answer yes / no, and a short explanation of why
user3956566
@SmokeDispenser and they frequently turn into requests for more information, so often are too broad disguised as yes or no
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW what do you want me to say besides "just do it"? It might be that in the process of putting your ideas into words will tell you all you need to know.
@gunr2171 good ol' rubber ducking? :p
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW, this one should rather be a 'how do I do that?', which might be opinion based.
user4639281
16:06
@SmokeDispenser The OP is really asking how to do it, in an obscure and unclear manner
is there an RO election coming up?
user3956566
@JonClements rubber ducking?
@JonClements you really think psychologists would get on that technology
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW how do you feel about moderating your own acquaintances?:)
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW from wiki
16:07
^ that
dat box.
@gunr2171 They literally just tell clients to rubber duck debug
I imagine long-term clients of psychotherapy are masters at rubber duck debugging
@SmokeDetector giving Tylers a bad name
@TylerH it seems to be pinned
@rene Would you look at that?
No, I know what gets pinned beforehand
user3956566
16:10
@AndrasDeak I don't have a problem with that. I'm wanting to know if others will have an issue with it or are ok with it.
user4639281
Off to work.
user3956566
@TinyGiant bye
cool:)
user3956566
@gunr2171 well I know what I think, I actually don't know what other people think. hence the question.
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW, I'd be fine w/ that. But I don't count :)
16:12
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Didn't TG self nominate as well?
@TinyGiant Have a good day!
in fact you write your own nomination so basically it's the same thing
doesn't the process require self-nomination?
user3956566
I am thinking of what is best for the room. I think Mogsdad would be a good RO, and there'd be others as well.
user3956566
self or others can nominate if the person agrees
16:14
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW isn't there a process to choose from nominees according to a set of guidelines/criteria?
@AndrasDeak no
I'm not sure you should worry about this. But I'm only guessing:)
@rene oh!
user3956566
@AndrasDeak well anyone can nominate themselves. The ROs decide.
> the ROs decide
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW so why are you asking room members?
user3956566
16:16
@TylerH I wanted to see how room members felt. And I'm chewing the fat on some ideas.
@rene How many will the ROs pick?
ew, don't do that
just 1?
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Well, to be frank it doesn't matter how members feel because members don't vote :-)
@TylerH we're not sure yet
user3956566
I think I'd be a capable RO, I think there are others also, that may be better
16:16
as an RO you just enforce the policies that members agree upon anyway
user3956566
@TylerH to get a community feel :D
user3956566
@TylerH correct
user3956566
My main reason for wanting to put my name in, is the time zone
@TylerH wait, as in "democracy"?:P
@TylerH Hmmm, I beg to differ but if you see it that way we obviously do a great job
user3956566
16:18
With the precursor I think I can do it, but trying to find someone to cover the pacific time zone she says at 3am
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Why does that concern you? You are on when others are not so that would be a point in your favor as there would be more RO coverage.
user3956566
@rene shhhh :D
@gunr2171 @rene and co' have probably taken a more liberal approach to the system the sopython team used - like ours, there's no public voting, although public consideration is taken into account - ours requires the existing ROs to appoint and offer, the SOCVR team has a better approach of letting people put themselves (which also has public scrutiny) and then decide...
user3956566
@NathanOliver that's the point. To have a RO on when usually there are no ROs in the room.
@rene What policies do you set as ROs that the members didn't discuss and agree upon already?
I'm not aware of any off the top of my head, but I could be mistaken of course
there could be vestigial, de facto policies that weren't covered since the meetings started
16:20
@TylerH that doesn't mean that a room like SOCVR doesn't need a small guiding group to keep things ordered
@AndrasDeak I'm not sure what you're saying
me neither
edited:)
I had 2 sentences merged into one..
Now I'm not sure what you're addressing
lol:D
then I'll pass
user3956566
I honestly think there's a number of regulars here who would be good ROs.
16:22
I'm saying ROs don't set policy, they enforce it... you seem to be agreeing, or at least, explicitly not disagreeing with me :-P
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW call them out!
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Campaigning already I see? :p
user3956566
@JonClements I need to get a photo of me kissing a baby!
@TylerH the naa rules, the one-boxing, the agree to disagree to name a few.
16:23
@gunr2171 Not necessarily fair - if someone wants to step up to it - they'll do so. If not - it's unfair to be called out and perhaps feel obliged to do so
user3956566
@gunr2171 yes I already have approached a couple of people before it was pinned :D
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW You need to get some celebrities to campaign for you :P
user3956566
@BhargavRao yes... and maybe a song written :D
@JonClements true. This round I added the "you can nominate someone but that person needs to actually do the work". The last thing I want is peer pressure.
@TylerH I'm saying ROs set policy, and they should. But due to a fortunate alignment of stellar configurations, and compliance on the side of the room members, this doesn't manifest itself as a non-democratic system
16:25
@gunr2171 Wow it really is. You do not have that badge.
Sorry - I'll butt out now... for personal/professional reasons - it's just something I have a keen interest in, is all
@rene As I recall those were all covered in a meeting
@NathanOliver oh.....I got it, the joke
where there was regular member consensus
ROs may well have proposed them, though
@TylerH OK, I stand corrected then
16:26
Only as I recall though, a transcript could prove me wrong :-P
But yes, I think you do a fine job giving the appearance that you only enforce rules
TBH it's mostly newer members that annoyingly chime in with onebox comments unnecessarily
@rene @gunr FYI - some comments about the burnination process meta.stackoverflow.com/a/318620/1743880
Did anyone ever make a FR to have a setting to disable one boxes at a room level?
@TylerH Yeah, I might think about a smoother enrollment process for new users
Even in a democracy - sometimes a "leader" is necessary to rein things in and set direction despite community objection. They also need to adapt to the community needs if it's reasonable. That's what the RO's IMHO do here.
@NathanOliver god please no
16:30
@NathanOliver Yes - I believe they did - I believe the request was originally to disable one-boxes for certain things (images, gists, SE posts) - they then refined it to be all-or-nothing one boxing to be set by ROs
I'd rather disable people saying the words 'onebox' in chat before I see the feature itself disabled
user3956566
@Tunaki are you interested in nominating for RO?
Though I'd be OK with a room-level setting to disable external site links
Disabling oneboxing would just treat a symptom. The problem is not reading the FAQ.
like youtube and imgur
16:31
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Not sure right now.
@JonClements we discussed this between the RO's and decided to add this because we think there is enough potential among the regulars but not everyone might realize that themselves. If it isn't going to be for this RO election it might help them in the right direction and nominate next time.
user3956566
I spoke to cimmamon, Mogsdad also. I notice Mods is nominated.
@AndrasDeak that.
@rene Okie dokies - keep me posted? I'll leave it to the ROs, I'm always there if you want some input/my thoughts when discussing it though :p
Who is tripleee on Github?
16:36
@JonClements sure.
@TylerH are you talking about the Team page?
I'm talking about Github but I see that he's the same on SO from the Team Page
@TylerH a regular that disappeared
I'm curious because he added to the readme the line about oneboxing but is not nor ever was a RO
And he seems to have left out the important detail of it being for images
@Tunaki Just stay clear : ), don't comment or get involved would be my suggestion....
16:39
@TylerH link to commit? I'm not seeing it
user3956566
I'm going, will be back at a sensible hour (03.42 hours here!)
Plop morning!
At least one RO since has agreed that 100% anti-OB behavior is probably excessive. 'Just don't one-box images, external sites, or CV requests, and try to keep it to a minimum' is I think the best interpretation of the policy
@Kyll heyja
16:42
@Kyll Plop o/
@TylerH I am not saying we are going to do it. I was just curious if it had been asked for. I think we do a good job of moderating it and I see a lot of regulars say something when a not needed onebox is used which always makes me smile.
It typically makes me groan...
@NathanOliver the fear of getting rene'd is overwhelming, it would seem
@EricD. is self-delete a no-go due to the (downvoted) answer?
@AndrasDeak that was my guess, yes, but I'm not sure
With a negative answer once it's closed it'll be gone after a little while anyhow
16:48
@EricD. I love it when you convince op.. specially on dup, so they hammer it them self...
@TylerH true
@AndrasDeak No, OP is allowed to self-delete with a single answer that has score of 0 or negative
The things that block self-deletion are accepted answers, multiple answers, or an answer with a positive score
brb posting an answer of plop :-D (kidding)
Interestingly, accepted self-answers also block deletion
@josliber sure, thanks, I meant question-ban-wise
16:49
Hi @josliber o/
deleting answered questions is strongly frowned upon, but I'm unsure about crappy answers
@josliber oh, I should have explicitly asked OP to delete, then? (I thought they couldn't)
@BhargavRao Hey!
@AndrasDeak Ah, I'm less certain, but my guess is that this would be bad for question ban metrics, even with the negative score.
@josliber Oh and did you see the new-look R help chat? :P
@josliber thanks, my hunch too...
16:51
@BhargavRao I did not
I guess it's safer with roomba
Yeah, and that question will indeed be roomba'd
Oh, and just a note guys - noticed it asked a couple of times before (to me at least) - we don't divulge (not in chat at least - maybe on meta for an issue dealt with) if someone's question/answer banned or not... it's generally not hard to tell by just looking at their profile and the quality of their posts to see if that's the case :)
@JonClements Thanks for the heads-up!
must resist urge to ask if I am banned :P
16:59
well now that you said it, you are
lets make that the 2 of U.
BANS! BANS FOR EVERYONE!
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\o/
finally!
17:02
That was quick.
Am I seeing double or is this not a "Thanks" answer? stackoverflow.com/a/35887332/1743880
afk for lunch
How about this one, I have already voted to broad but wondering what to really do with them (questions you can answer yes or no and are fairly obvious) stackoverflow.com/questions/35795242/…
@Tunaki looks like a thanks answer to me. Not ure if it will survive review though.
@NathanOliver It was disputed in review.
figures. I am not sure what to do with that since it also has a work solution which was provided by the actual answer. Maybe we ask meta?
17:09
Meta? Mwerf. I'll move on.
@Tunaki Does it provide anything new to the post?
Like, is the code used different from other answers?
@PetterFriberg Well, is it really too broad as in "A good answer will be pages long"?
You like to answer the question... Just put NO! or NOT! whatever you choose.
@PetterFriberg Okay, but: no, why?
The SO 2016 Developer Survey was accidentally released a bit early. They've since pulled it but if anyone is interested in reading a rough version here, just click the Result tab: jsfiddle.net/9Lvgxc3p/embedded
17:11
@Kyll For me, it's a copy-paste of this answer stackoverflow.com/a/11139864/1743880. The difference is the calling code, that is user specific, so not really relevant
@Tunaki You can compile and export in java... but its getting very obvious...
@Tunaki May want to add that in a comment next time, to show the reviewers that the post does not add anything. Note that if it adds something but is not relevant, then it's not NAA but VLQ.
Or at least I think so.
If i show you how to compile and export in java (I'm duplicating another question)
@PetterFriberg Obvious does not mean it's close-worthy. Is there a dupe somewhere?
Not asking the same question, but any many question about how to do it java, jsf, etc... could be since they are not using jasper report server.... Hence the question is similar to "Do I need eclipse to develop java?", what would you do with this?
17:15
This would be POB.
hmm... No I don't agree the answer is NO
@PetterFriberg There's an issue with that question, as it may be interpreted in two ways:
with the long to broad text what eclipse is...
1: Is the "Eclipse" software a critical piece of infrastructure when writing a Java application, or can I not use it and still write a Java application?
2: Do I need Eclipse to write good Java?
The first question is clear, focused, and answerable. The second one is crap.
So such a question would need an edit, because otherwise it'll be FGITW'ed with poo.
So the first you would not vote to close?
17:18
No, I wouldn't
@josliber o/ Nice to meet you here! :)
JAL
JAL
@Kyll I would argue that this is POB
^ me too
JAL
JAL
define "critical piece"
A good answer may simply be "All you need is a way to edit files and compile them with the official Java compiler" or whatever you need
17:19
That's interesting... since its similar to question i voted to broad.. " I need absolutly Jasper Report Server "
JAL
JAL
hola Tuna, Kyll
@Kyll 1. You don't need Eclipse 2. No
hola JAL
@TylerH Uh, I wasn't actually asking ^^
@TinyGiant I was on Chrome when I saw that. Now I'm on FF, and it works fine. Maybe a transient right after the upgrade? I'll check out more this evening.
17:19
Plop JAL!
@Kyll Oh, well, you did... so I answered...
x)
What you can do, maybe, is vote to close as "Unclear" and ask the OP what exactly is the problem they are having.
Such question generally hide a XY problem.
Rude?
No...
Translated its NAA
agree
17:22
@PraveenKumar Hello!
@josliber Nice to meet you here... :) After your advice I almost stopped answering LoL. :D
@Tunaki Do we need to add f after naa?
Went with VLQ on that answer
You could see a steep decline in my rep graph! :P
@Kyll Dunno it didn't remove the message
17:24
Uh. @ProgramFOX Does one need to add f after an naa? Should naa delete the message (1 flag being enough)?
commuting home cya...
@NathanOliver Would have also but out of flags since a long time :D
@Tunaki That's what you get for being a member of NATO :P
I'm still at 82 flags max
Need to get up to 100
@NathanOliver You should join us. There's good coffee, lots of fun, some spam to eat. What more do you want? :)
17:28
@Tunaki I have the new interface installed. I just have to get motivated to get back in there. btw I like how it is setup with that user script.
Yep, Tiny did a very good job. No he didn't, it isn't real time!!
That he did
Shh he'll hear you
@TINY, DEY'S TOKKIN 'BOUT U!
@Mogsdad As soon as you did that a flag came up. I was almost worried. Then I saw there was no blue on the line
17:30
Ha - me too. Had to double-check my spelling...
I also need to get 10k...
only 1.9k more to go.
Though I'll probably get 100 flags before I get 10k rep
afk
^ Could be too broad too! Not sure. Def not a good one.
17:33
i.imgur.com/TlWWESW.png I, for one, welcome our new SO JavaScript Overlords
Is this rude or okay?
Make the PHP to show yourwebsite.com. We aren't a code writing service. Kindly consider adding your code. — Praveen Kumar 17 secs ago
@PraveenKumar Ok.
@Mogsdad :)
@PraveenKumar It could be more helpful with links to FAQ guidance. But when it's not their first post, they should already know the standards.
That was fast.
@Mogsdad Def not their first posts. That's why I become annoyed. :)
Another one! Seriously!
Just wondering, where exactly is the mail() function or anything closely related to it? :)Praveen Kumar 2 mins ago
17:40
In the dungeon. Thought you ought to know...
(gone)
17:53
That looks like it is not at all related to the question.
Are u sure?
@BhargavRao yes
the link in question is not at all related to the words Sean wrote
pp_
pp_
What's with the new answer? Pure coincidence?
That post was the worst....
I wonder if he needed help
18:00
You can't ask for help if you dont state a problem
@Ferrybig Seriously!
It took too long to scroll to the spam button
will do @Ferrybig ... just waking up. How many votes ya got left
@Drew 44, wasn't very active today in the new questions list
18:25
event upcoming
We are still on
anyone seeded that?
A bit late to ask, sorry
next tags are and and
2 minutes
@closey still dead?
Start Event!
Good luck with your votes on the queue
Sam
Sam
@rene In here, yeah.
OK
@Sam how are you today?
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[close]"
Can someone do also?
sure
Sam
Sam
@rene Pretty much back to normal. I was out all day at a conference, so nothing too strenuous.
18:34
Please add to your filters
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [close]"
passed an java audit
close right? ;)
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [turtle]"
18:49
659
Q: November 2015 Stack Overflow Community Moderator Election RESULTS

Shog9Stack Overflow's November 2015 moderator election has come to a close, the robots have transferred many single votes to tally up the results, and the 3 new moderators are: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice...

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Update guys - I think everyone will be happy with that :p
CONGRATS @Undo AND @TheLostMind
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Hi @Undo
@Undo I guess I was wrong
Wow. Feels kinda like a dream.
@BhargavRao - Thanks . @Undo - Congrats :)
@Undo Congrats
18:50
You happen to be here while we have an event. Please use all your close votes @Undo and @TheLostMind in the CVQ
@TheLostMind Congrats to you as well
@Undo a lot of us were hoping this would happen... you and me - both 3rd in primaries, but 5th in finals - we're like - runner up buddies or something? :p
I Was damn sure that you both would get it
@TheLostMind Don't forget to accept the mod agreement etc... then you get your nice diamond :p
Now who's the real ninja puppy? Undo or Jon?
18:51
@JonClements Something like that.
@JonClements - OK. lol
@NathanOliver - Thanks :)
Undo's name just went blue. Now it is offical
congrats guys. Well deserved
Had to refresh. Now I see both.
18:56
hello
@Undo The first <20k mod to be elected
So it is possible!
@BhargavRao Except for Anna Lear and animuson, IIRC
Yep, So I can stand
No, maybe animuson was >20k
18:56
@toskv Hi
how is everyone?
Good. Yourself?
Hmm, I think bluefeet must have posted a separate question. :/
alright, sadly my plans for tonight did not go so well :(
18:58
yeah.. oh well.. there's always another evening :P
I haven't seen you in here before. Is this your first time in the room?
no.. it's my 2nd time being active in this room.. I sat in the shadows until now :P
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 5 hours to continue reviewing.
He is a faithful servant
@toskv OK. Nice to have you out of the shadows then.
18:59
nice to be out in the light :P

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