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9:01 PM
why cant I tag things right? meh
 
and I'm back
 
@MartijnPieters Thank you for the feedback, never mind, I'm just happy not having made a mistake.
 
@gunr2171 Great, maybe a short overview of the major decisions that were discussed at your meeting?
 
@rene don't buy stock is us :)
 
9:09 PM
I figured that already before the meeting...
 
hey, at least we have a plan for getting our meeting more under control. that's something, right?
and unfortunately that means I get to write down the meeting minutes.
 
Don't forget to add who reads this sentence gets a free candybar
 
: )
 
I had a PM once that played that trick. I gained weight on that project...
 
user3956566
can I ask for delete votes please. It's linked to a meta post and it would be nice to actually take away the reward for answering a dupe target with over 2380 linked posts.
 
9:14 PM
@MsYvette that question is not old enough and has an upvote
 
His feelings are hurt because the site has rules. I guess our comments were useful? Flagging as rude. stackoverflow.com/questions/35304757/…
 
user3956566
@rene hoe old do they have to be?
 
@EricD. flag comment, yes (and you don't need us for that)
 
@PetterFriberg Too Broad imho stackoverflow.com/questions/35253020
 
@MsYvette I think a day
 
9:15 PM
2 days
 
user3956566
@rene and if they have an upvote they cannot be deleted?
 
user3956566
It's such a waste of votes deleting the 100s of duplicates
 
they can after 2 days. instantly if closed and -3 or less and 20K+
 
@gunr2171 indeed, the comment is gone now. I guess I was impatient.
 
It is the 2 days limit that is blocking deletion
 
user3956566
9:17 PM
@NathanOliver duplicates also?
 
@MsYvette Yep. Duplicates are only special for the roomba.
 
user3956566
ok thnx
 
user3956566
I've suggested one way to stop the endless dupes.. not the occasional dupe, but the ones that have 100s.. but I really don't think it will ever be halted.
 
user3956566
the rules of the site sanction them, as they do not automatically delete and they's not enough users with delete votes
 
Nope. The only thing I could see would be to use something like Watson to analyze post before they are posted. Then they can go a a review where humans could check them before the are published to the site.
 
9:21 PM
@MsYvette there will never be an end to duplicates: using search engines is apparently a lost skill
 
Also remember duplicates don't really hurt anything and can/do make it easier for people trying to google the answer. The biggest issue is too many new coders think SO is a replacement for google.
 
Maybe the answerer should also get a list of possible dupes to choose from before they can write an answer.
 
answerers dont search before answering, either
 
user3956566
@cimmanon that's my point exactly and they're being rewarded
 
@rene That would be cool
 
user3956566
9:22 PM
yes rene that would be a good idea
 
No, @cimmanon doesn't like it
so it is not a good idea
forget it
 
i closed a dupe yesterday and reminded the 80k+ user who answered it that they should be checking to make sure the question is not a duplicate before answering. their response? "i didnt realize it was a duplicate because i dont usually follow this tag"
turns out, they themselves answered a similar question at least once before
@rene wait, what dont i like?
 
@ThisSuitIsBlackNot I always enjoy your funny comments , Boris.
 
later guys
 
@cimmanon the force answerers to search feature chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/28685344#28685344
 
9:26 PM
i think something should be done. not sure that would help, though
plenty of new users will search for the answer, and copy/paste it as an answer to the new question
there was a meta.SE proposal where it was suggested that if the question gets closed within X number of days, the answerer doesnt get any rep from their answer
one of the regulars here posted it, it doesnt look like i bookmarked it
 
@MsYvette I think its time I post a meta in the response to yours... I have a feeling that we are approaching the issue on the wrong side. SO does not give a first user a fair chance to make a good question.... (a new user is used to facebook, where no nolike button exists)
 
Sam
back
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg yes please
 
inb4 someone says 'front'
 
@PetterFriberg if facebook is setting our standards we're doomed...
 
Sam
9:33 PM
@gunr2171 lol
 
user3956566
@cimmanon @rene et al chatting to shog about this in meta tavern
 
@PetterFriberg how does a first time user not have a fair chance to make a good question? they have all the time in the world
 
Do someone has some meta on teaching new user how to post and search on so before he can post?
 
ah, it's a trap!
 
9:34 PM
chat with him about him saying "wow effective closing there today. need another 50?"
 
@PetterFriberg beyond the help center?
 
@MsYvette yes, I'm following that. He will not give in, trust me
 
people dont want to read shit. its like that far side comic where the dog doesnt understand the person. "blah blah blah blah ginger blah blah blah"
 
user3956566
@rene I'm trying
 
user3956566
he's getting a chart
 
9:35 PM
Sure ...
 
user3956566
I know I'm like a dog with a bone, but seriously
 
user3956566
how many nullreference exceptions do we need
 
ginger <-------------------- cannot read
 
I will answer you all in one, a new user have a problem, he think about his problem (all close reasons on SO you need atleast 3 month to learn), he goes to SO and post what he has... (like facebook why not, correct??), people downvote, answer and the new user says to himself whole crap how mean everybody is....) and someone needs to clean up the mess.
I still remember my first question... I could not even format code... you get good at asking question exactly the same as answering questions.
So now I'm a new users?, Hi guys I have this problem with jaxb, I see some strange chars in header.......
Down vote!
Down vote"!
No mcve
To broad
aahh ok lets leave this place... and these are crazy folks...
 
shog uses lower-case sql keywords, YES!
@Sam ^^^ (yam)
empty request
 
Sam
9:41 PM
Yeah
 
figured that dip in the graph was due to mjollnir. too bad it didnt stay low :-(
 
Sam
@cimmanon Yep
 
i see gold badgers answering duplicates all the time
 
seems so easy to implement a system to help you ask a good question.... Think of the help improvement que.. not you need to read the FAQ
 
@MsYvette Who cares? You'll have a dozen more tomorrow. Why is it so soddin' difficult to create instances before calling methods on them? No thisee, no workee.
 
9:44 PM
Yes but what I say you can't hit the gold badgers you should help OP.... (force him to search on title, exception, identify nullpointer, train him on what is need in his question, check comments, accept answers, edit question)... then let him post question
Give him a fair chance...
 
user3956566
@MartinJames call me an idealist
 
user3956566
:D
 
@SmokeDetector Gotta be troll, surely?
 
Sam
Yeah, I flagged abusive.
 
That post was really quickly gone
 
Sam
9:46 PM
Self deleted.
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 1 min ago, by bjb568
Took 30s to create an account and post this.
Nvm
It was bjb. ._.
 
@SmokeDetector Ah.. troll it was. Piss-poor example of one. Should get back under its bridge.
@Sam By hand, or you have a script?
 
we're dev-doodled
 
Sam
@MartinJames Wait, me?
~ You didn't see anything ~
 
@Sam Oh, sorry, missed teh quote thingy:(
T'interwebs are all screwed up here in UK, again....
 
Sam
Np
 
9:52 PM
Maybe ask MI6 to get off your line ...
 
Sam
You mean GCHQ.
 
You mean Closey
 
@Sam If you know how they're called I guess you're in trouble ... and so are we...
 
most of the bad/duplicate questions i see revolve around the user trying to perform a specific task. if the user asks "how do i write a mixin to generate borders" but what they really want to know is "how can i use a variable for a property (or part of a property) name", it makes it really hard to automatically track down duplicates
 
I don't know why they would tap me. All my illegal porn and copyrighted films and TV shows are encrypted on d/l.
 
9:54 PM
I'm out for today, cya!
 
bye
 
Sam
@rene Well, I do live in the UK...
bye
 
@Sam Your ISP OK ATM?
 
Sam
Yeah (with Sky, in the midlands)
 
9:56 PM
@Sam I'm on BT shit.
 
user3956566
Shog is trying to solve this
 
user3956566
you guys should join us
 
Sam
@MartinJames Lol
 
Shoggy is fixing BT?
 
Sam
I hear they use the same network though.
 
user3956566
9:57 PM
BT??? maybe shrugs
 
user3956566
:D
 
Sam
lol
 
@Sam It's been wobbly for days. Not just me - BT on whole of mainland UK has been crap. OpenToss:(
 
Sam
:/
Yeah, the UK's infrastructure sucks.
 
lol 'Find the time complexity of the function “foo”'. I haven't opened it, but what are the chances that it's gonna be a good non-homework question with some effort shown?
 
Sam
10:01 PM
Probably low...
 
Ohwait- OP has done some analysis! I was wrong! I can't close it! My head is exploding!
 
Sam
mind_blown.jpg
 
@PraveenKumar Boy if Adobe CS5 were free... I'd be in heaven
 
@TylerH Ha ha ha... :D
 
The least they can freaking do is release Acrobat for free
keep the Pro version with some extra doodads or w/e but at least give is a basic free version
and I dont mean rebrand Adobe Reader to Adobe Acrobat to confuse the hell out of everyone
which is what they actually did
 
user3956566
10:11 PM
To the ministry of Silly Hats @Sam !!
 
@TylerH heaven? Well, starts with 'he', anyway.
 
@MartinJames you consider getting CS5 for free to be hell?
 
batch3 count=18 medium easy is in the beehive
 
@TylerH Proly not. I haven't tried it TBH. Maybe it's a good product from Adobe. Maybe it's the good product from Adobe.
 
CS5 is Creative Suite (version) 5
it encompasses Photoshop, Flash, Illustrator, InDesign, etc.
Fireworks
all of which are pretty industry leading TBH
it's just that adobe's licensing and pricing policies suck
these days there is Adobe Creative Cloud instead of Creative Suite. A cloud-based, subscription model suite of apps
 
10:17 PM
I would buy used stuff on ebay for $30 and adobe has a form to transfer license to you. Then every 2 years I'd cough up $500 for the full suite. The Production Premium one for special effects (After Effects) to make movies
otherwise it would cost like 1700
 
Rob
morning
 
@Drew I use Encore, After Effects, and Premiere Pro for some stuff at work
I also use Illustrator, Photoshop, and Fireworks at work for separate stuff
I would hate to pay for all that myself, but it's chump change for a business
 
Sam
@Rob Morning!
 
Fire is pretty cool. I would get my templates off of videohive. The amount of work people would put into it for $25 to $35 bucks and sell it to you would save weeks
 
^ on hold by moderator
 
10:49 PM
@MadaraUchiha The featured tag has been on once for a day now. The next step is that the moderators/CM-team decide if it is gets the green light to be burninated. I suppose you raise it now in the mod room? Not sure if my advice is welcome but I see no obstacles to take it on.
If you decide it is a go it needs to be re-tagged [status-planned]. (or [status-declined] otherwise)
I assume you want to keep @shog9 in the loop ...
 
11:05 PM
need sleep... I'm out...
 
user3956566
night \o
 
Good Night... :D
 
Rob
11:26 PM
Am I missing something? How is this a good question
 
^ Went on /r/ProgrammerHumor
Still, it's garbage.
 
Hi - pertaining to closing questions about parse.com service shutdown (meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/315722/…), is there a stack exchange site where the questions are in bounds? I know there's server fault, but that's probably wrong, too.
 
@TylerH for a while I read "CSS5" and was just saying "oh my god..."
 
Sam
@Yam die
 
Yam
Bye.
 
11:36 PM
@Kyll what the heck...
> This tag () has been burninated! If you notice it re-appearing with some frequency, please propose that it be blacklisted.
 
@Braiam Yep. I'd suggest closing that quickly, it's on the top of /r/ProgrammerHumor and will attract loads of poop
 
@Kyll my "wth" is more in line with the amount of upvotes that got...
 
This question is hot on /r/ProgrammerHumor (Reddit). It's already been closed and reopened once. It's about to be closed again (4CV)... I suspect Reddit will reopen it once more. What do I do? It's blatantly off-topic, should I ping a mod for a lock or a deletion?
@Braiam The Reddit thread got 500
 
user3956566
who's REddit
 
Rob
@Kyll flag it for moderation attention if it reopens again
it's closed now with 0 reopens
 
11:44 PM
@Rob ... Duh. Of course. Thanks x)
 
user3956566
how many DVs does it take to get rid of things like this
 
user3956566
well that's the first time I've ever been to reddit
 
user3956566
hopefully the last
 
Rob
/r/programming is not too bad
though i rarely go there
 
/r/ProgrammerHumor is very funny sometimes. Just not when they're on me freakin' lawn.
 
11:59 PM
my*
 

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