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user3956566
1:00 PM
@cimmanon I used to prefer dogs until we moved to an apartment, and now it's cats, cos we have them :) and any pet that pees in the house is a pain
 
@cimmanon I think it would fit "web app hardening" but maybe it's best to ask on their chatr
 
@cimmanon I've had a cat and dogs, dogs are infinitely preferable.
 
user3956566
@DavidG horses are actually the best
 
@MsYvette Horses don't play fetch and it's tough to leave them in the house when you go out.
 
@MsYvette have you ever owned one?
 
user3956566
1:04 PM
@DavidG hey we had one that would walk into the house! :D and what about Mr Ed???
 
user3956566
@cimmanon yep, dogs cats horses, birds fish. we now have three cats.. and I love big dogs.. like rottweilers
 
horses are too much work.
 
user3956566
they are a lot of work.. and expensive and require land.. not good for apartment living
 
Horses are annoying :p
 
i had a couple when i was a teenager, my husband cant figure out why i dont want one when we move out to the country
 
user3956566
1:07 PM
can someone call an exorcist for Thaillie please???
 
user3956566
@cimmanon you got to have the time and really want them, a bit like kids LOL
 
user3956566
@DalijaPrasnikar hi \o
 
Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! I achieved it. :D
 
user3956566
what did you have cimm?
 
Now bigger. Cat-Dog-Horse War! :D
 
1:08 PM
I love horses. I find they are the most beautiful thing.
2
 
Sam
I love bots. I find they are the most beautiful thing.
 
user3956566
@Tunaki I love you!!!! they are the most beautiful animal to walk this planet
 
If I had my way, I'd have a pet monkey. Well not a pet so much as a monkey house mate.
 
Horses rock.
 
1:09 PM
@MsYvette hi, thought I may take a look here :)
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus if you unonebox that I'm reporting you
 
user3956566
@DalijaPrasnikar we're dedicated to the site LOL
 
@MsYvette They are! :)
 
Oh no, the Croatians have arrived! :)
 
Sam
@DalijaPrasnikar Hi​ya
 
user3956566
1:10 PM
@Cerbrus he's a beautiful boy and a big one!
 
user3956566
my Frank looked a bit like him, but not as big
 
user3956566
pst should we act like we're talking about SO, we have a e-visitee-ay --->
 
There's @Kitler, The Cat! :D
 
user3956566
@Kitler just in time for the horse - dog - cat war
 
Sam
Seems like @CodeCaster's answer is slowly sinking.
 
1:11 PM
o/
 
@Sam Link plz?
 
Sam
@PraveenKumar This thread.
\o
 
user3956566
@DalijaPrasnikar how do you find us?
 
user3956566
Is there anything we can actually help you with ? :D
 
Sam
All the advertising
 
1:12 PM
Sunk!
@Kitler \o
 
Sam
I think the democracy point didn't sit well with a few people.
 
@MsYvette Had another lesson with him yesterday
 
@MsYvette Just looking... you are having too much fun here ;-)
 
So much fun :-)
 
@Sam yeah, that's sad
 
user3956566
1:13 PM
@Cerbrus nice :) I am so jealous and happy for you at the same time
 
user3956566
@CodeCaster hi!!!
 
This guy doesn't listen.
@CodeCaster Your answer is sinking!! :(
 
user3956566
@DalijaPrasnikar we can be serious.. :) we do have a lot of discussions on topic, it's been a playful day today
 
Sam
Meta is Meta. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@Cerbrus Lesson?
 
1:15 PM
Yeah I dunno what's wrong with it, maybe @Cerbrus can enlighten me
 
@Thaillie Jumping lesson.
 
user3956566
@CodeCaster I didn't up or downvote you
 
CodeCaster: Democracy is completely unrelated to the issue.
 
@MsYvette Having fun is no problem, finding time to have fun, now that is another story...
 
Most of your answer doesn't answer the question.
 
user3956566
1:17 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar exactly, I have some nice time to myself at the moment and it's beautiful, time between working and studying.. so I come to a programming site!
 
Yeah excuse me for not joining the "Don't flag, vote!" circlejerk, I was trying to address OP's remark about the voting irregularities
 
@Cerbrus Ah, I have done that ~1 year until I got bored :p
 
user3956566
@CodeCaster yeh I saw that.
 
user3956566
@Thaillie bored? but you still ride
 
@Thaillie That's a shame :P
 
1:18 PM
@MsYvette Nope :p
 
user3956566
@CodeCaster I find the voting habits of this site intriguing..
 
Sam
@MsYvette Because humans.
 
@CodeCaster Not answering is also an option.
 
user3956566
@Thaillie why?
 
I just don't see the added value of ranting about the amount of democracy on SO
 
user3956566
1:19 PM
@Cerbrus I wouldn't regard it as a rant Cerb
 
His personal opinion is very obvious
 
@MsYvette Not enough free time :p
 
@Cerbrus You mean there is too much or too little democracy?
 
user3956566
@Thaillie ah do you miss them?
 
@Cerbrus I did answer the question, and added some information to enlighten OP. I do think it is related to democracy, apart from visibility: everybody can vote, and everyone has an opinion; not every voter is objective
 
1:20 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar I mean that the amount of democracy is irrelevant.
 
@MsYvette Nope, I never get attached to anything :p
 
user3956566
@Thaillie wow ... :(
 
@Cerbrus Agreed.
@CodeCaster Everybody can vote, but that does not mean that we should agree with their votes if we know better. There are some rules here after all.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar yeah, but I've never seen anyone talk about flagging a question because it was obviously incorrectly upvoted. I don't even think moderators can see people's votes. But hey, this discussion doesn't really belong in that question, let alone in this room
 
The only people that can see votes are SO staff
 
1:27 PM
I only wanted to explain to the OP there why the voting patterns were so weird (some up, some down, some closed, some not): that's because different people with different opinions saw those questions
 
@NathanOliver staff with DB access, that is.
 
user3956566
@CodeCaster I thought that was clear.
 
@Cerbrus Yes. There is that too.
 
@CodeCaster Oh, I know that... my point was that it can be harder to get rid of upvoted questions
 
user3956566
and I find your thoughts interesting, as I find the voting patterns on SO to be a concern in places, that we are following popularity, as opposed to knowledge, which degrades the value of the vote score on the site @CodeCaster
 
1:30 PM
A upvoted question still only requires 5 close votes
 
@MsYvette thanks, but like I said, it doesn't really belong there
and I certainly don't want to be the one to suggest restricting voting rights
And I think @Cerbrus has a point, it's not only democracy, but also visibility - which I address in the second paragraph
 
user3956566
@CodeCaster well that's unlikely to change in any hurry anyhow
 
Sam
@MsYvette Indeed, democracy has a habit of turning into populism.
 
@Sam Yep
 
Just look at Jon skeet's Q and A's :p
 
user3956566
1:31 PM
@Sam true! but on a site that 'prides' itself on knowledge we don't want popular, we want truth
 
Oh come on that man can post a goatse and still receive upvotes
(don't google it)
 
was about to do that.
 
@CodeCaster That is something I read in that answer, though. But that might just be a misinterpretation.
 
user3956566
people refer to him like he's a god.. and I respect him, but it's weird
 
and now I am curious.
 
Sam
1:32 PM
@MsYvette Yeah, unfortunately though, users are still human.
 
@Lafexlos make sure you don't hit the .cx :x
 
@CodeCaster Googled it, shivers
 
user3956566
@Sam yes, but to maintain a worthy site, it needs to have guidelines to help keep it that way
 
@Thaillie You've never seen that before?
Oh you (formerly) innocent soul...
 
must.. not.. google...
 
1:34 PM
@Cerbrus It was only the name I didn't know :p
 
Sam
@MsYvette Definitely. Problem is, getting users to follow those guidelines. And with the right incentive (i.e., not by adding more badges).
Remove all teh tings!
 
Remove the (removed)'s!
 
user3956566
@Sam I forgot where I was! LOL
 
@Cerbrus Where is this? It looks familiar :p
 
Sam
Np
 
1:38 PM
NpN
 
@Thaillie Really? It's near Markelo
 
Well, folks, see you, have fun :)
 
And is it VriMiBo time yet?
 
user3956566
1:40 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar \o
 
morning!
 
user3956566
@CodeCaster ?
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 \o
 
Morning Gunr o/
 
\g unr
 
user3956566
1:41 PM
you've missed the great horse-dog-cat war while you slept
 
morning
 
@Cerbrus Nevermind, that's ~140km away from me :p
 
@MsYvette friday afternoon drink time :P
 
@CodeCaster Ah, POETS day!
 
user3956566
ah nice..
 
user3956566
1:42 PM
oh god, I gotta get 20 more rep, David's here brb
 
@Thaillie I would've been surprised if you actually knew it :P
 
POETS day is very appropriate in here!
 
@CodeCaster Much better
 
@Cerbrus Why?
 
I wonder how many times they will do that before they have enough sample data to conclude its not worth it ;)
 
1:47 PM
@Thaillie What are the chances you happen to know the sables I ride at?
 
@Cerbrus Not that high, but Holland isn't that big :p
 
don't call the Eastern part "Holland"!
 
@CodeCaster Why?
 
Holland is a region and former province on the western coast of the Netherlands. The name Holland is also frequently used to informally refer to the whole of the country of the Netherlands. This usage is commonly accepted in other countries, but in the Netherlands and particularly in other regions of the country it could be found undesirable or even insulting. From the 10th to the 16th century, Holland proper was a unified political region within the Holy Roman Empire as a county ruled by the Counts of Holland. By the 17th century, Holland had risen to become a maritime and economic power, dominating...
 
@Thaillie 'cause it's not.
 
1:51 PM
I confirm. Holland is at the East.
North-East should I say.
 
@Thaillie not "no one boxes", "keep it to a minimum"
 
Sam
And back.
Hey gunr
 
hello
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Inb4 rene joins
 
what, are you two together?
 
Sam
1:54 PM
Only kidding
 
rene is always watching. I lent him some cameras.
He has eyes on you right now. stop scratching your head he tells me
 
@Lafexlos Went with too broad
@Tunaki and that is why I wear a tinfoil hat
 
Yeah, that, probably was more suitable.
 
are the SE sites loading real slow for anybody else?
 
Sam
Nope
 
2:00 PM
Looks OK from here
 
@cybermonkey Fine from here also
 
seems to be working fine for now.
 
user3956566
@CodeCaster I'm always careful to say the Netherlands.
 
@MsYvette Meh, just call it Dutchland!
 
user3956566
@DavidG yes with the Hollandish people
 
2:04 PM
Hollandish sauce?
 
user3956566
@DavidG hey I answered a blinking question.. will answer another.. it's either that or edit tag wikis! :D
 
:O
 
@MsYvette I haven't answered anything for ages
 
:P
:Q
 
user3956566
@Idos \o
 
2:06 PM
@MsYvette ;)
 
user3956566
@DavidG nor any poetry, I'm beginning to wonder Dave ... out on limb with nickname
 
@MsYvette Oh no you didn't......
 
user3956566
(:
 
Still waiting for some poetry by our dear moderator Madara.
 
Is my avatar "too negative"?
 
user3956566
2:06 PM
@DavidG or Davey!!!
 
@Idos No!
@MsYvette DavID
 
Great answer @DavidG
 
Sam
@cybermonkey Apparently yes.
 
user3956566
@Idos no
 
yay:D
 
2:08 PM
@cybermonkey Any further with your VBA issue?
 
user3956566
@DavidG I know!! I was married to an Englishman
 
@Idos No, not at all
I'd consider Never as -ve
 
So it's a consensus
Life made
 
user3956566
@Idos your blinking profile blurb is too deep and meaningful!
 
I know right! I just love it
I wanna get it framed ^_^
~everyone checks my profile~
<::::::::::::::
 
user3956566
2:10 PM
@Idos I check the profile of every person I see come in here. LOL only ever looked at yours
 
Way to make me feel special <_<
 
user3956566
did you read my developer story? if so, please rate it out of 10
 
@MsYvette 10
 
@MsYvette Zero until you get that rep you promised
 
user3956566
@DavidG kk brb
 
2:12 PM
Side-note: I didn't specify if 10 was the best or the worst...
 
I honestly don't really know what a developer story is
I haven;t been around meta much lately
 
@MsYvette 5, nice and neutral
 
user3956566
@cybermonkey oh did you read it? it was supposed to be funny! sob
 
user3956566
oh no the 'developer story' on my profile stackoverflow.com/users/3956566/ms-yvette?tab=profile
 
Is there really any way to rate it?
 
2:14 PM
@MsYvette Aussies aren't funny
 
user3956566
@DavidG hey up yours we are so LOL
 
user3956566
@Idos don't make me paste it here, I will :D
 
Hahaha I read it! it's rather short
more of a short developer story
 
user3956566
the decline into becoming a bottom feeder?
 
x_x
 
Sam
2:16 PM
@Yam stats
 
Yam
I'm currently watching 154 posts.
 
user3956566
well I thought it was hilarious, but that's the thing I laugh at my own jokes please feel for my children people
 
It's my first time ever on chat, true/false?
 
@MsYvette Like I said, Aussies aren't funny. Apart from Barry Humphries and Jim Jefferies. Maybe Paul Hogan back in the day.
 
user3956566
@Idos true
 
2:17 PM
Dam am I that obvious?
~news~
~newb~* crap
 
user3956566
it was a guess and I based it on the fact I've never seen you on chat, as opposed to if I had seen you on chat in which case I would've said false
 
@Idos Actually, no it's not
 
Hahahahhaa creeper
I didn't even remember that
 
user3956566
da da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
user3956566
this room is full of creepy surprises Idos
 
2:19 PM
How can I star a message here?
 
this room is full of creepy surprises people Idos
 
@Idos Hover over the message and there is a star on the right hand side.
 
Thanks @NathanOliver didn't see that woops
 
Sam
@NathanOliver Dun dun dun
 
That's a little pessimistic @Sam. Are you a glass half empty kinda person?
 
Sam
2:27 PM
@NathanOliver No, but I'm still looking for the guy that drank the other half.
 
51 flags pending review. Stop babbling and go review slackers.
 
Sam
Sorry, T-daddy.
And the LQP queue is backed up, again.
 
user3956566
@Sam that's @Tunaki's fault for sure
 
2:47 PM
Hi
 
Hi
 
spam
 
and it's gone
 
@Tunaki You need to refresh the page more frequently
 
user3956566
2:48 PM
\o
 
@BhargavRao You missed this guy: stackoverflow.com/users/4845827/dialogfeed
 
Lol, I was seeing his profile :D
Spam for sure, !!/report it
 
What's happening on the first one? Why is nobody flagging? I'm out of flags.
 
2:52 PM
@BhargavRao yes
poof
 
Are these type of edits welcomed? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/11075022
 
Lol
 
@Lafexlos Reject, attempt to reply.
 
waffle, spam flagged
 
@Lafexlos No soince the answer below it has a rest3
 
2:56 PM
Thanks both.
 
postgone
 
@BhargavRao I voted to delete the question also
 
@Tunaki Can you create a [delv-pls] request as it need more del votes
 
JAL
hey o/
 
Hi JAL!
 
JAL
2:58 PM
hey Bhargav
 
@JAL Few link-only answers on that
 
Sam
@JAL Hi!
 
Hmm, Surprising 31 flags pending ... Holidays in any country?
 
Hey JAL
 
@BhargavRao Still have 49...
 
JAL
3:04 PM
So this was kind of funny. I was answering a bounty question and the OP asked me for the source code of a private apple framework: stackoverflow.com/questions/34971839/…
 
@JAL yeah, being Brad is bad...
 
JAL
@BhargavRao Well, it is an attempt at an answer. It's short, but it doesn't qualify as NAA I don't think
@Braiam lol typo
 
@BhargavRao Yep not NAA for me
 
Was on borderline ... :)
 
3:09 PM
I just saw George's answer why he CW the branch prediction question. I still can't believehe did it.
 
Sam
Wait, what.
 
JAL
@NathanOliver link?
 
Its deleted now but basiaclly 10k link
> It was transformed to CW because after all these years editing it only serves to bump it to the front page to garner more votes. It's had its time in the sun, but does it really need more?
 
JAL
cw?
 
Sam
Community wiki.
 
3:11 PM
@BhargavRao Should be a comment. Flagged.
 
JAL
ah
@PraveenKumar I disagree, it's an answer, albeit a bad one
 
@Sam It reached -62 and he deleted it
 
JAL
interesting
was there a meta post?
 
Sam
@JAL Here
 
Waffle
 
3:13 PM
To do it no. There was a meta post to undo it
 
Sam
@Tunaki Not surprising.
 
@JAL Check my comment to that person.
 
All these stuff make the answer get more views :D :D
@PraveenKumar Didn't flag. I'd not go for these borderline ones
 
@Sam I think it should be undeleted regardless.
It's the "official answer"
 
Unfortunately it was mod deleted.
 
3:15 PM
Few Points to Note:
**1.** Why to dig up **VERY OLD** post and answer?
**2.** Post is very very bad. It looks like it doesn't solve anything. As it stands, it is asking for more info.
**3.** Already the accepted answer is at the best.
 
Sam
@Tunaki Agreed.
 
Hey Smokey
 
JAL
@PraveenKumar That doesn't make it NAA, it just makes it a bad answer
 
@JAL Okay.
 
Damn
 
3:16 PM
@NathanOliver Ha so we can't vote to undelete?
 
JAL
Yeah I would love to see that answer undeleted
 
Nope. I almost want to mod flag it to get it back
 
I agree then
 
JAL
let the mod flags fly!
 
almost.
 
3:18 PM
Here is the official answer for less than 10k i.stack.imgur.com/clPEp.pngBhargav Rao 10 secs ago
Commented there
 
JAL
I don't think that's spam, just a bad answer
speaking of, should that question be closed?
 
protected at minimum
 
Yup!
 
Deleted by owner
 
@JAL dont think so, quite useful
 
3:21 PM
@CodeCaster you can edit a message for 2 minutes ;)
 
Jeff has commented on an answer in that page :/
 
@BhargavRao Atwood?
 
Who else :D
 
Agree, too broad.
 
Sam
3:31 PM
@DavidG 7 years and only 2k views?
 
Prime candidate to be moved into docs when it's ready
 
^ yes
 
IMO, Docs shouldn't mirror official documentation, just fill the void between the official documentation and what you can't have in a proper Q&A
 
@Braiam Well that's not what the official line is
 
@Braiam docs is about creating readable documentation and examples. IMO it's perfectly fine to reflect what is stated on the official docs, but in different terms and including code
 
3:35 PM
I abhor anything that smells like content duplication, is just a fragmentation of resources
 
afk
 
btw post is locked
 
@Braiam yeah but that's an old discussion. We should start somewhere. MSDN is often terse ("FooBar foos the bar"), I see no problem in explaining that in more understandable terms in docs, again, including example code
 
Official docs are often terrible and rarely wiki-like (in that they can be changed by the community). I prefer docs I know will likely give me something useful.
 
@CodeCaster differences of philosophy, I suppose. I prefer doing nothing over doing it wrong, because if I do it wrong I have to do it again (or bother someone to fix it for me). Waste of resources.
 
3:49 PM
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Yes dear.
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
^ that audit is a VERY bad one
POB? It's about that audit
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
Sam
seriously?
 
3:59 PM
Damn, got the first downvote at 149! Wanted to take screenshot at 150 ;_;
 

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