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15:00
There's many questions on SO, so many old off-topic questions just sit around...
@Pierre.Vriens your answer is brilliant btw!
@Pierre.Vriens maybe you should post that as blog post, or something
@Pierre.Vriens So what happened is that it popped up in the feeds of many users, including @PaulRoub (who noticed your answer btw) who thought that this question was off-topic and needed to be closed. From there, he posted a review request here. A bit later the question was closed because multiple users from this room voted as such.
In this room, we review each other's... reviews I guess, and we undertake collaborative transparent moderation efforts
Reviewing reviews sounds so meta.
Really frustrating for "new" users ... To those who vote to close: would you please hurry to FIRST go close/delete those "no longer on topic questions" (so that new users don't run into this trap over and over)? to those who like my answer: "merci" (thank you) for the kudos ... may I say "I'm a kind of proud on it" (I use it as a guideline also when teaching Drupal ...)
15:05
@Pierre.Vriens Thing is, there's a TON of off-topic questions out there. We don't nearly have the manpower to find them...
There are more than 10 million questions on SO and we are only a handful of people, it's not feasible for us to close all off topic questions!
Just back for a couple of minutes
You spoke French, I already like you.
Sam
Sam
Simple solution, don't answer off-topic questions.
Note that unless the question is deleted (which would be a waste) you'll keep your rep
especially when the number of votes we get for closing questions with is so small ><
15:06
@DavidG s/10/11/
@Tunaki Frenchies unite
It's also worth noting that we don't have an unlimited number of close votes so it would still take us years to complete.
Snails better run for covers!
Actually, we can't complete since bad questions arrive too fast than we can handle them.
@Braiam What is that?
15:06
but we can do our best to limit it
@DavidG a substitute command?
regex?
Sam
Sam
@Kyll Or, if it lives for +60 days.
@Tunaki that actually contradicts to the "we have too many cv-pls reqs" convo
not necessarily
15:08
@Pierre.Vriens: Did you copy that answer from faqssys.info/… ?
'cause it looks like you did.
@Pierre.Vriens You're also very welcome to hang around here. This room is full of people who want to take care of Stack Overflow through moderation, so you can learn a lot about what's on-topic and what is not (I know I did). You are also free to ask any moderation question you want around here. And we need more French people! =p
@DavidG vi substitute
ahh good ol' vi
@Tunaki actually, sed is more known for that stackoverflow.com/a/19784544/792066
Sam
Sam
@Cerbrus Nice catch.
@Cerbrus Maybe he wrote it also.
@Pierre.Vriens Did you?
I always google random lines from long answers
90% of the time, it plagiarism
The plot thickens!
@Cerbrus : no it is not a "copy" of what you pointed to. It's a copy from "myself", which I published before on Drupal.SE ... where "some moderator" decided to delete the question where I posted it too ...
Sam
Sam
@Pierre.Vriens And when did you post that?
15:10
So, you don't have a link to the original answer / question?
@Cerbrus Looks like your link also scraped it from an SE website (check the [closed] at the end)
Nope
@Kyll: that's what I also think of it ... again , it's "my" answer I wrote ... from scratch ... hang on and I'll add a link in my answer too
Oh, that site is a SO scraper, we should report it!
15:12
@DavidG Does SO give a damn about scrapers?
@Kyll Yes, you report using the contact link at the bottom of the site
@DavidG Want to do it?
@Kyll on my way now
For info, scrapers are OK as long as they attribute back to SO
Okay, thanks Nathan and David
Wait, Pierre's answer was deleted?
not cached by Google maybe
15:14
Ed Cot deleted it
There's only a few users that can see deleted posts on the drupal version, even
@DavidG the faqssys.info doesn't...
@DavidG Because it's a cross-site dupe of a deleted post?
@Cerbrus yeah, only 16!
15:17
@Cerbrus Mods can see everything. Maybe Ed Cotrell needs to be warned
@Thaillie seems there isn't the answer we're talking about there
But can a mod see stuff on another site? Never thought about that before
I've invited Ed to the room
(And to HTML / CSS, accidentally)
afk coffee
@Kyll important part of the day, yes
To whom it may concern: my answer is what I posted before on drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/164463/…. The actual question (drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/164463) is now marked as "hidden for anybody who has not at least 10K rep on drupal.SE" (aka deleted by moderators).
Sam
Sam
15:19
> Allah brother if you meet so saved me !!!! Realizing win Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@Pierre.Vriens Roughly when was that?
Sam
Sam
@SmokeDetector 1 UV
@Cerbrus : I don't understand your question, please retry
Hi all.
When did you post that on drupal.se?
15:20
Hey o/
Hi there!
Waddup Ed!
@EdCottrell, about this post: stackoverflow.com/a/34879758/1835379
@Cerbrus: why is that important, why do you ask? Don't you believe me?
@Pierre.Vriens we believe you, just trying to get all the info :)
15:21
As you can see, the author is in here, as well.
Sam
Sam
Why does the user still have 9 rep?
Yeah
Give me a minute; I'm looking into it.
It looks like the post was originally posted on drupal.se
sd remove- on ot
15:22
That's the one Thaillie
@Cerbrus You're right.
That might be an older verison
@Pierre.Vriens Sorry about that; didn't take a close enough look at the dates.
@Sam caching
Hm, so, "someone" might've mistakenly flagged it. *cough*
15:24
Haha
Sam
Sam
@Braiam Ofc
@Cerbrus cough :)
Don't take all the credit, @EdCottrell ;-)
Still, as good as the answer is, the question's still a tutorial request...
(Which is probably what the drupal one got deleted for?)
@EdCottrell Can you see deleted posts on other sites too?
I've undeleted the answer. @Pierre.Vriens Please note, though, that it's best not to cross-post between SO and other SE sites too much; it tends to attract flags. And, actually, that entire question is going to get nuked anyway.
15:25
To whom it may concern: I start to think that I'm considered here as "stealing from myself" ...
@DavidG No; I'm subject to the same rep limitations / privilege requirements as everyone else (except on ebooks, where I'm a mod).
That's what I assumed, good to know.
sd Waffle \o/
Sam
Sam
sd train
Would anybody around here care to say "sorry" for deleting? You've been accusing me of copying from others, remember?
15:27
@Pierre.Vriens: @EdCottrell already did:
4 mins ago, by Ed Cottrell
@Pierre.Vriens Sorry about that; didn't take a close enough look at the dates.
@Pierre.Vriens Erm. don't go pointing fingers at everyone also ;) Mistakes happen
@EdCottrell there's an ebooks site :-o
Sam
Sam
@Pierre.Vriens We (afaik) were only involved with the closure of the question.
6 mins ago, by Cerbrus
Hm, so, "someone" might've mistakenly flagged it. *cough*
Sam
Sam
@Cerbrus Keyword: afaik.
15:30
Now you know... further? xD
@Pierre.Vriens Again, you have my apologies. Mistakes happen, and plagiarism is sadly very common on here.
@Pierre.Vriens Hey, you get to show that a mod did things wrong! Last time this happened it was when Tiny Giant... oh god...
he's still here kyll
crawls back to corner to cry
Sam
Sam
Oh hey, I've just noticed @Martijn's here.
15:33
Yes we have 2 mods here
@Kyll There's usually much more drama when mods do things right (remember the recent chat incident...)
@DavidG Which one?
Sam
Sam
@Tunaki 5 actually
There were like 3 or 4 incidents in a couple months. Much drama.
Also Madara and Bluefeet :p
15:33
@Sam We must be a very bad room then...
Sam
Sam
Actually. I've heard the opposite. @Kyll cough cough
It takes 5 mods to moderate things around here. Can you imagine? :D
@Sam Y'all are awesome, actually.
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@Kyll The one that spawned the M.SE post from Shog
OK, I just received a 2nd "moderator message" to clarify things. For my this case is "closed" ...
15:34
@DavidG This doesn't help lol Now it does, thanks
That's it; anyone time someone complains about the SOCVR room, I can just throw that quote from Ed in their face
This is one of the few rooms I'm usually in because I want to be here, and people actually try to make the site better. That's... rare.
@TylerH SOCVR sucks! :P
@TylerH Don't get cocky. ;)
1 min ago, by Ed Cottrell
@Sam Y'all are awesome, actually.
15:35
@EdCottrell thanks!
@gunr2171 Can we add to our FAQ the tagline "moderator approved"? :P
Sam
Sam
@EdCottrell :D
@DavidG sure
Shog9 Tested; Ed Cottrell Approved
@gunr2171 See? Told you!
15:36
Damn, I have started a star-avalanche on Ed's sentence:)
Kyll or better yet as a tagline: . Meh, it automagically lowercases the tag.
That just implies mods were here, they may have come to tell us off for being naughty!
15:38
@EdCottrell: about your "... cross-post between SO and other SE sites too much ...", is reposting a deleted (on another site) answer to be considered as cross-posting (or not)? IMHO it's like "if 'my anser' doesn't fit on Drupal.SE, what's wrong in posting it again as an answer (to an open question) on another site where it seems to fit" ...
like this one --------------------------------> ◊
@DavidG being naughty might imply being awesome...
@kayess Or being, y'know, banned
@Kyll for being which ?
no this one ------> ♦
15:40
If the answer improves the lot, I say answer away (and post a link to the other site?). What tends to be a problem is spammish cut and paste all over the place.
@kayess Well, either naughty in an awesome way or awesome in a naughty way I guess
@Kyll do you treat girls such a way also ? :p
@Pierre.Vriens No, it's not cross-posting if it's deleted on the other site. When this all started this morning, both questions were still alive. Now that the one on drupal.se is gone, it would be perfectly okay to post on SO. Only catch: it's pretty much a tutorial. Don't get me wrong - the answer is awesome - it's just hard to think of an on-topic question for which it's an answer.
Does that make sense?
@kayess o_o
@kayess ♥ I treat ♥ girls ♥ this way ♥.
15:43
@Pierre.Vriens En gros, la réponse est bien cool mais l'écrin dans lequel elle est présentée est tout pourri ce qui facilite pas la modération. Yeah I'm speaking French. Triggering automatic Chrome translations yet? =p
uh, are we getting into weird territory?
@gunr2171 weirder*
well, let's try to get back to topic
Normally this only happens when I'm on YouTube
what was the topic?!
Sam
Sam
15:44
Lol
dollar bet Tuna deletes that
past the 2 minute mark
I like it. Tricking me into doing it
If I do it, you win. If I don't you win also
actually daring you not to :P
you win either way: you get the dates
I'm pretty sure this was not the topic.
15:47
@kayess Wasn't there already a request issues for that one?
not officialy if I remember
@Kyll Nope, not yet, I have just flagged it. I waited to see if OP might advance it, but I think there's nothing to advance.
Yes, it was a question here.
finally a well balanced fair and reasonable answer meta.stackoverflow.com/a/315035 (from my biased standpoint :P)
15:51
@KevinGuan I would say it isn't worth the API quota usage. Don't forget that you need 50 rep for a comment.
@Drew Completely agree. I started to write an answer that said "tag shouldn't exist". While I was writing it, I actually realized it was on-topic, I just couldn't get the arguments to say it wasn't.
The important part is that, either way, mass addition is not to be done.
I wrote up an answer. It sits in sublime. won't leave there
I don't have the skin for it today
Sublime?
I was also going to write an answer but I'm not going to. The punch line was "It needs community approval first".
@Thaillie SublimeText
My punch line was quite different. Might suggest why I didn't post it
15:58
I read the comments over there
@Tunaki at least not until you have 2,000 reputation
G'night fellow awesomes!
Night Kay o/
@sam @ProgramFOX do you gents know why the {ids} questions API call returns 30 rows (not 100 if I put in 100), despite the api saying it returns 100 unless specified as not to? Is it that my filter is returning too many columns?
Uh... no idea.
Sam
Sam
16:04
@Drew I (un)fortunately don't use the API, I just hack everything together. So no idea.
thx
Sam
Sam
Sorry. :/
I mainly hack
@EdCottrell: "merci" for clarifying it was indeed not a cross-post. But about your "When this all started this morning, both questions were still alive.": No they were NOT BOTH ALIVE (only the one on S.O) ... The question on Drupal.SE was deleted on Aug 27 '15 at 20:26 ... I know for sure since it costed me -205 rep around there then ...
@Kyll There you go: i.sstatic.net/Oz9PY.png
16:05
> We're working on it. sends assassins
@Pierre.Vriens Well, that's weird. I definitely viewed it on that site this morning. Maybe my browser had cached it from a prior visit or something?
We should just get rid of caching. Credit cards and Debit cards are way easier to use.
@gunr2171 Ba-dum crash.
@EdCottrell: you believe "me" or not?
@Pierre.Vriens I don't have any reason to doubt you. I just can't see the question, anymore, so I can't tell when it was deleted.
16:09
few people if any would question Ed's integrity
@gunr2171 I vote we go back to gold, silver, and bronze coins
@TylerH 14 bronze make a silver, 7 silver make a gold?
Sam
Sam
No no no, we should use seashells.
@Kyll no, this isn't harry potter
Then we could add copper for which 3 copper make 2 bronze
16:12
as much as I don't want to see Java even in pictures, I like that people that have real IT awareness are able to judge in cases like these cnet.com/news/judge-william-alsup-master-of-the-court-and-java
Actually I would prefer steel because that's what they use in dragonlance, but steel's too easy to make now
@Braiam Your connection is not secure
Someone's been screwing around with certs
Unless it's a practical joke on a Java article...
@Kyll yeah, they don't support https
16:13
Lol, just found out that non 10K users can just view a deleted question using the timeline :p
@Drew Thanks. :)
@Thaillie again, caching unless caching is incredible stale forget it
Hey, I just realised that the chat avatar board on the right defaults to 32 avatars. That's exactly the maximum player limit for Source Engine based multiplayer games like TF2!
@Kyll it was 33 at first...
@Pierre.Vriens I just looked at drupal.stackexchange.com/posts/164463/timeline and can see that you're absolutely right about the timing. I have no idea how I was able to see that post earlier this morning. Anyway, you're right - no worries about cross-posting here!
16:18
Timeline is a handy tool to use :p
Lol, so basically Pierre makes an outstanding answer on Drupal SE on a question later closed and deleted by a moderator. He instead posts this outstanding answer on SO on a question later closed and deleted by a moderator. Now I understand why he was pissed off!
Moderators. Hmph.
Sam
Sam
First world problems.
@EdCottrell Possibly related to the user on drupal.SE is currently suspended?
16:21
@DavidG No idea. It could also be that I wasn't actually on that site, thought I was, and shouldn't moderate before having a second cup of coffee...
@EdCottrell: ok, thanks for clarifying
@Kyll C'est clair ><
Sam
Sam
Dang 2 min grace period. I was going to edit in this.
@Sam Yeah, I have the same is... Wait no. I'm on Linux. Screw this to hell \o/
@Kyll: at least somebody starts to understand why I was "a little bit" disappointed.
16:25
@Pierre.Vriens Quick question for you! As an 8k rep user on Drupal, don't you already know most of how this works anyway?
Sam
Sam
@Kyll ¬_¬
@Pierre.Vriens Yep. Well, it did take a stupid amount of detective work to understand what happened xD
Okay, with all that, I'm going back to flagging NAA...
@DavidG how what works, how a misunderstanding works ?
@DavidG : correction ... +12K ... though I don't understand what you mean with "how this works anyway", wanna retry
16:29
@Pierre.Vriens What's on-topic and what is not
I just meant the review, mod deletion process, what is on-topic, etc.
Also that
(and I got 8k rep from the web archive link as we can't tell your current rep due to you being suspended)
If "mods" for over 3 years don't bother to close a so called off-topic question, and "I" find it an interesting question to answer (with what I think is an interesting answer), then why do those mods "jump" on that question "right after I answer it" (knowing that they have a zillion of other-much-more-terrible questions to also take care of)?
Just to clarify things here. What was the starting point of all this?
@Pierre.Vriens Part of the reason is we deal with "Priority". When a closeable question is on theactive question list we want to close those. We normally do not go back and find old questions to close as right now we can't quite keep up with all the new/active questions.
^ that's what I wanted to say (and why I asked for background, because I figured it went like that)
still waiting for a blame command
Kevin isn't here to use the blame command
!!/blame
16:40
@DavidG It's DavidG's fault.
dammit
close enough
@Pierre.Vriens The reason we also focus on old closeable questions getting new activity is that this new activity is almost always of poor quality. And too-broad question like this one tend to attract a lot of poor quality answers.
Not to say yours was, that's not what I'm saying
@DavidG I'm glad you were the one to spin that roulette wheel
But take a look at the others current answers: if anything, they only point to external resources and don't answer at all.
16:42
Also note that since your question was up voted the question will not get deleted automatically. There are a few closed question on SO that have been closed for years but thy are still around.
Gotta go. Later and have fun!
@gunr2171 Maybe we need our own blame script so we can weight certain users as more likely to get it? Can start with the wheel of blame.
:) go for it
BlameBot2000
It will obviously be set to never respond to Kevin
16:45
I can get behind that
It should respond to Kevin with the quote "Mirror, Mirror, on the wall..."
@TylerH "Who is the blamiest of them all?"
@Tunaki: thanks for the clarification, but still I find it a pitty that "my" answer (with "a few upvotes in an hour or so") is used as an "excuse" to "now" get rid of it ASAP ... That's like saying "thank you for this interesting answer, but you're too late, and we were too busy the last 3 years to avoid you wasting time on it now". BTW: as per your "pointers to external resources" ... why not start with deleting those other answers right away?
@Tunaki "-1 I'm not in India, don't care"
JAL
JAL
> collage
Guess this guy never went to college
16:47
@Pierre.Vriens The point is that you spent your time answering a question that you should already know is off-topic.
dangit
let me rectify my mistakes!
When does a question get auto protected? Looks like that one could do with it.
@Pierre.Vriens No that's not it. We didn't close it because you answered an interesting answer. We closed it because there it attracted new activity that 99% of the time is of very poor quality.
@DavidG 5 answers from low-rep users posted in the past 24 hours.
And we try to do our best to close them right away but there's only so much we can do
16:50
oh, so side note, I just noticed that my gem was approved! (The first one, HL3)
2
I don't like that the images are all blurry
I remember that one. That guy has a lot of work to do.
yeah, I know
he must downsize the images or something
they should use .png images.
@NathanOliver Strangely... they are pngs....
16:53
all 500px wide
I love how many names from this room I see mentioned in those images!
Thats because we find all of the gems :)
I see gunr, Sam, Drew, Tiny, Nathan, KevinB, Undo
I trust I don't have to "ask permission" to answer questions that "I find worth spending my time on" ... With that: have a nice day.
16:57
@Pierre.Vriens Then you run the risk of losing your work and wasting your own time which is a shame as that answer looks like it contains some good info. Anyway, thanks for stopping by to discuss it. You have a nice day too.
@Tunaki, the formatting of code under , who change this?... can you do it from SO interface?
@DavidG I also forgot that it will get protected if three answers from low-rep users are deleted.
@PetterFriberg From what I understood, mods can do that.
@Tunaki, have they done it?
Nope
17:00
Ok thanks... for info..., no use asking it on jasper-reports then ; )
Well it is at +78/-0 right now, with no comments against.
So... the way I see it, everyone pretty much agrees. Just waiting for a response now :)
@Tunaki keep me informed... even if the +78 vote will be difficult for me to get....
with some luck "while they are at it..."
Yeah why not. Your comment is it +5 but, hey, you can't downvote comment so
@PetterFriberg To convince Meta, you need to make a very good case though (fair warning). Meta is... yeah... Meta.
Remember you can always add <!-- language: lang-xml --> to get a xml highlight on a code block
This is an answer I just saw!
> your code in incomplete try to write complete code then restart your application.
17:08
A better answer is press alt+F4
"Duh, write some code, then it'll work"
@NathanOliver Thanks, I know but better if you can avoid it....
I just wanted to make sure you knew you could do that. I hop they do add the highlighting.
I'm mentioning it in my post. I think you can also do <!-- language-all: lang-xml --> or something like that to have that highlighting for the whole post (and not just the code block)
@Tunaki Great will try it...
17:12
@Tunaki Yeah I think that makes the whole post that language.
afk
@Tunaki It works!!!, really happy with this hated to included <!-- language: lang-xml --> multiple times. when I had text in the middle.
Watch out smokeDetector is posting its own questions ; )
17:31
Any other 20K+ers around?
yup
I'd say that's too broad rather than POB
I have been thinking of making a feature request to stop using delete votes when we have them in the LQPRQ. I was just wondering if anyone else hates that you have to use delete votes if you have them first and then after you use them you can recommend to delete.
@NathanOliver that sconfusing
7
Q: Why I'm casting delete votes in the Low Quality review queue?

BraiamWell, all NAA's and LQ's flags are being pushed to the LQ review queue. I'm a 20k user but that doesn't mean I want to use my delete votes on 0 scored answers, in fact I cannot vote on them outside the queue. Then why are my votes used?

@TylerH the FR, the behavior or my explanation?
17:39
well, a mixture of 2 and 3
your explanation of the behavior, but mostly the behavior
but Braiam's link clears it up a bit
Ah. I am just not sure what I want to do. Most of the times it seems like a waste as you rarely have 3 20K+ user in the LQPRQ so my 20K vote counts more as a recommend delete then a delete and to me that seems wasteful.
upvote all the posts, then review them, then unupvote all the posts
I might need to get some stats on how many post get deleted from the from the LQPRQ with 1 and 2 20K votes on them as that would be a count of all the "wasted" delete votes.
18:02
@Thaillie Wait, I can't play tonight. My GPU has huge heat issues, I have my motherboard and cooling system replaced tomorrow
@Kyll D:, pick up everything and go sit outside to prevent overheating?
@Thaillie Wait, maybe I can make it work with a bigger fan...
2 hours ago, by Kyll
@Sam Yeah, I have the same is... Wait no. I'm on Linux. Screw this to hell \o/
@gunr2171 It's not OS-related! It's hardware! Don't buy a Vostro =p
well yeah, I could have told you that
18:07
@gunr2171 It'll actually be the seventh time my motherboard is replaced
what, why? What are you doing to your computers?
Turns out, nothing
Dell Vostro are a brand of computers that have huge issues
Most of my issues were caused by the GPU. Basically, after some time, when the GPU heats up it makes the whole motherboard crash
So either black screens, complete shutdown of the computer, green rays all over the frozen screen and huge "BZZZZZZZZZT" in the sound output, Kernel panics or BSOD, ...
gamers do their own boxes, no ?
I only have a laptop
And whose fault is that?
18:11
had a box once that would cause the lights to dim
@NathanOliver My wallet
@Kyll You should get one of those Gucci wallets. Those always have money in them ;)
@NathanOliver I think those are worth more than my salary as a volunteer >.>
Volunteer?
@Thaillie My actual, legal status
JAL
JAL
18:14
lol
@Kyll so are you like an intern?
I basically work for an association and am paid part by the government and part by the association. Overall, 580€/mo which is 40% of minimal wage
It's more between being actually hired and er... that thing you are when you work freely in your free time for an association, to help and stuff.
In that case you earn 80 euro more than me :p
@Thaillie Poor people unite!
\o/
But I have no monthly expenses :p
18:32
@NathanOliver check linked posts
@Braiam Cool. So it looks like 20K votes are mostly wasted in the LQPRQ
thx @NathanOliver good thing I have access to aging info else they go poof, mA=minutes aged, 20160 = 14 days i.imgur.com/6kTp6AV.jpg
@Drew How do you have that? Do you record when you close a question or is this from the SEDE?
Got an css question for anyone: on this answer, the second example, were does the fieldset get the padding from? Why is the <label> indented?
I record and can sort on just about anything. Was hoping to roll this out with Tiny. Time will tell on that one. Would like to collaborate with you and Sam
18:47
@gunr2171 inside fieldset?
and PFox I mean too
wait... you mean in the snippet?
yes
the green part
@gunr2171 Fieldset always has a ~8 pixel padding
is that set by the browser?
18:48
Yup
ah, I'm using a css reset, so that's why mine has no indentation
@Thaillie I feel stupid now...
@Kyll I thought I was your biggest fan...
English is fun.

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