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5:00 PM
@BhargavRao That was why I DVed. You cannot say it was positive when it wasn't. it was like they were just ignoring us.
 
Lol, yeah
 
user4639281
Poor communication skills can negate the best of intentions
 
That was the problem with the Dev Stories
 
I wonder if there is a rep loss cap. I think that post is going to keep getting down voted.
 
hints at a meta question
 
user4639281
5:02 PM
@NathanOliver There was an FR for that, it was declined
 
Well there I go. Thanks
 
Do you think they drew straws to decide who posted it?
 
Q. What is the best way to find a dupe? A. Ask a question.
 
user4639281
I think it came down to poor execution of the FR
 
user4639281
@DavidG samthebrand posted both
 
user4639281
5:03 PM
@BhargavRao I've answered that before, the answer is Magic
 
user4639281
Unfortunately the question was deleted
 
That was a self answer ...
 
what magic can't solve...
 
user4639281
@Braiam nothing
 
5:05 PM
-4 unupvote --- wth?
 
user4639281
I didn't know I had a bronze discussion badge on meta, halfway to silver
 
which meta?
 
user4639281
mso
 
user4639281
If I had another 11 support answers I would have a bronze support badge too
 
I have enough score in [discussion] for the silver badge... I need more posts
 
user4639281
5:07 PM
lol
 
i don't have enough score to even talk in the Tavern
 
user4639281
lol, you would if you signed up over there, association bonus
 
too dumb to know how to do that
 
automatic
 
@Tunaki s/tic/gic/
 
user4639281
5:15 PM
@Drew click the sign up button?
 
didn't think it was necessary with 101 on stackexchange and already in meta
I was I thought referring to the ability to chat in the Tavern. I don't know which site which link
 
user4639281
... then you have the association bonus already?
 
user4639281
If you have 101 on mse, you can chat in the tavern
 
What does candidness mean?
 
being candid
 
user4639281
5:17 PM
> expressing opinions and feelings in an honest and sincere way
 
@Drew I think that helped him very much
 
Rob
@TinyGiant Are you aussie?
 
Thanks Tiny!
 
maybe he didn't know the root of the word, Tuna
 
user4639281
5:18 PM
@Rob Canuck
 
Rob
Ah
 
user4639281
Why?
 
@Drew Tuna does not have a root word that I know of
 
Rob
Was curious since you seem to be online whenever I am
 
user4639281
Ahhh, I'm just always online
 
Rob
5:19 PM
Plus I've noticed the true-English spelling
;)
 
@Rob Bots are on 24/7
 
user4639281
I spend 10-12 hours per day in here usually, unless I'm made to perform actual work duties.
 
The horror
 
user4639281
I know, work is so... work
 
user4639281
I was looking for an adjective, but I didn't find one right away, and that seemed like work
 
Rob
5:21 PM
At least being on SO has plausible deniability
 
They un-featured the second license post :( I wanted to see how far down it could go.
 
@Rob He's not allowed to leave - it's like Hotel California :)
 
can't get the song out of my head now
 
user4639281
@Rob I know, "I was just looking up how to foo the bar"... "why do you have >9K rep in mostly answers?"
 
@NathanOliver I know just the YouTube video to help out with that....
 
5:23 PM
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 You mean this one?
 
............no
 
user4639281
lol, not the one you were expecting?
 
I'm actually glad I've never heard of that one before
 
user4639281
5:25 PM
I bait-and-switched the bait-and-switch
 
I there a room worse than the trash I can move that too? it should never exist
 
user4639281
lol
 
@JonClements How can one leave when there is a Ninja Puppy guarding all the chat rooms on SO :D
 
We should star it for unsuspecting visitors
 
Rob
@Drew Not really.. entirely depends on how you set @value... question is extremely unclear/broad
 
5:29 PM
then why the H is it open still !
 
Rob
Not anymore ;)
 
you the man (as always)
 
So the new license proposal is officially down for now
 
omg that was bizarre ↑
 
5:32 PM
Yep. I guess at -230+ they decided they needed to try again.
 
Rob
To be honest I think the terms of copyright are extremely unclear for the lay-person who doesn't visit meta
 
SO the epicenter of the universe. Can't deal with spammers but still the center.
 
Rob
And for the most part will be ignored
 
Mostly yes. I still don't think that is a good argument to just let that be allowed though.
 
Rob
At least in my case, if I absolutely need to copy&paste code from SO, it's because either the answer takes a long time to discover naturally, or is out of my field of expertise - in which case I'd attribute it not only for recognition, but for a note for future devs (or myself)
 
5:35 PM
Thing is, what are the current requirements to use SO code in my codebase?
 
Rob
The people who don't attribute already for that reason aren't going to attribute now anyway
 
user4639281
The problem is that really, most code on SO both cannot be licensed, and should not be licensed. Excluding of course full programs.
 
@Kyll Attribution and share alike.
 
@NathanOliver Even in my own codebase, if I don't share it?
 
5:36 PM
Say, for a closed-source project
 
I attribute everything mainly so I can figure out where the heck I got it from to understand it
 
Rob
@kyll As far as I'm aware (that's the problem I pointed out before), the original proposal was only for open source. Now it's for everything
 
@TinyGiant Well that is one useless question title =p
 
@TinyGiant No but there are works on SO that should come under a copyright as they have a substantial original contribution. We also have to take into account Code review and Code golf.
 
But to require it, really ?
 
user4639281
5:37 PM
@Kyll yeah, but it's a debugging question, if you can think of a better one that doesn't solve the question in the question then by all means
 
@TinyGiant shouldnt that have been closed as a typo?
 
Rob
@Drew Exactly. But 99 times out of 100, I glance at the answer to get a quick reason for the problem, and solve it myself. It's rare to copy + paste code (since it probably wouldn't even work)... and in any case, if you need to copy and paste it's probably in your best interests to keep a link so you can remind yourself and others why you had to copy + paste
 
user4639281
@cimmanon No, it wasn't caused by a typo, it was caused by a misconception
 
@Rob not cut and paste but rather a src for understanding
 
@TinyGiant Inverted text and missing semicolons, I agree with cimmanon
 
5:38 PM
cut and paste would be worse than the original
 
user4639281
I don't think the person accidentally didn't hit the semicolon key three times, then accidentally put the text part after the css part.
 
user4639281
It isn't a typo though.
 
Rob
@Drew I believe that's not covered under any copyright laws, though. Taking knowledge yourself and applying it to your problem is not violating copyright regardless of the terms of the source
 
user4639281
It's a simple problem, but if we closed every question about a simple problem, half the good questions on SO would be closed.
 
Rob
At least in most countries
 
5:39 PM
exactly @Rob
 
Rob
Further point, what if the solution was found in google search results (which came from SO?)
 
@TinyGiant If the simple problem is "missing semicolons", then yes we should
 
Rob
You didn't necessarily agree to the SO terms, only google's
 
@TinyGiant if the guy only had 2 properties instead of 3, it most certainly would have been considered a typo, because only 1 semicolon is necessary (the one after the last property is optional). why does having 3 properties make it not a typo?
 
afk for lunch
 
5:40 PM
Bon appétit! =D
 
when you glom that knowledge into your noodle there is little need to attribute what the meaning of c# int is
 
user4639281
@cimmanon It wouldn't be though if the user didn't know they needed semicolons
 
@cimmanon By the way, I recently switched to Linux Mint and got really confused when I searched about my Desktop environment (cinnamon) and saw your SO chat profile. Gave me a chuckle while I was trying to find out what the hell was going on with my WiFi.
 
@TinyGiant if i didnt know that smicolon was a misspelling of semicolon, that doesnt make it not a typo. these types of questions do not help future visitors
 
@TinyGiant What's the user knowledge got to do with typos?
 
5:43 PM
there was this question a day or two ago that went like this: what is a good datatype for these 1,6,45,120 .... the answer played out as tinyint. 4 upvotes for question, really? Are people supposed to attribute that answer ?
 
@TinyGiant // @include /^https?:\/\/.*\.?stack(overflow|exchange).com/.*$/
 
user4639281
Whatever close it then, I really don't care. Lets close every beginner question while we're at it.
 
quote him
 
user4639281
@cybermonkey That isn't the newest version.
 
@TinyGiant Come on, don't use that fallacy =/ If a beginner question can be solved by adding semicolons or changing quotes, then yes let's close it
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
@Kyll Yeah, but it isn't a typo question, the semicolons weren't the only problem, and it was caused by a misunderstanding of the language.
 
@TinyGiant i have an extremely hard time believing a there are beginner guides that this guy could possibly be following that dont explicitly point out that semicolons are necessary.
 
Rob
@Drew I'm really conflicted about the change. Most of me thinks it's bad. But at the same time, the license is so broad, that it means any reasonable person who is explicitly copy + pasting full solutions should know that they should probably provide attribution. For answers like you quoted, there's no way someone could prove the answer was plagiarized (is that even the right term?) and thus it's irrelevant
 
@TinyGiant installed the newest one, works. cheers!
 
user4639281
awesome
 
5:46 PM
i believe large segments should be attributed mainly for your own benefit and those that follow. But to require it by a deadline
i also think peeps should doc their code with smaller stuff better
 
user4639281
@cimmanon As I said, close it if you're that invested in it being closed. Maybe I should just stop trying to help people.
 
@TinyGiant Test it with: stackoverflow.com/10m , stackoverflow.com/election or stackoverflow.com/election/7 maybe it breaks again?
 
Rob
@TinyGiant I think the issue is because some people take close reasons absolutely literally, and some people take them as a guide-line
 
Bye, see ya tomo o/
 
Later BR
 
user4639281
5:48 PM
@Rizier123 nope nope and nope
 
Rob
There are definitely questions that have been closed because the question represents a fundamental misunderstanding of programming, and can't be solved by a simple Q&A
Usually it attracts help vampires
 
@BhargavRao Nenuit =D
 
Rob
For example; this question I answered: stackoverflow.com/questions/34816013/…
 
user4639281
If we wanted to, we could read between the lines on every close reason and close the whole site.
 
Is this okay for SO? seems more like a math problem to me.
 
Rob
5:49 PM
In the comments it becomes apparent that the poster fundamentally does not understand the function of the keyword async. Explaining why the answer is correct would then take the question into 'too broad' territory
@TinyGiant Many people do, which as I said is a big problem on SO (though I don't see a real solution, either)
 
TG if you didn't wanna answer that question, i believe that is a TYPO question as per cimm
 
@NathanOliver would be okay if weren't asking for code
 
user4639281
@Drew It isn't actually a typo though. It may be a simple problem, but it isn't a typo. If Jon Skeet closed every question that he though was a simple problem, most of the site would be closed.
 
then when peeps want to close it, one gets defensive because it calls into question "why did I answer that". Just a free Psychology 101 lesson for the casual observer
did you help the person, yes
 
Rob
@TinyGiant The thing is, Jon Skeet could answer any question, and it's very unlikely to be closed.
 
5:52 PM
i never said the site shouldn't be closed
just wait for new tags and new technology
then reopen it :P
 
Rob
@TinyGiant I don't necessarily believe the question you are talking about should be closed, but I can see why some people think it should be
To me the 'simple typo' close reason treads the line of 'fundamental misunderstanding of programming/language in question'
While an answer might be helpful, it's very unlikely that you'll actually help the poster in the long run - as they'll come back with another trivial answered-many-times-before question
 
user4639281
There is a reason that the too localised reason was replaced with the typo or not reproducible reason, and that "a problem that can no longer be reproduced" and "a simple typographical error" are in bold.
 
right. How is it not a typo :P
 
Rob
@TinyGiant Then we're treading the line between Q&A and a personal tutor site
 
Okay, but how can "Add semicolons" be useful to future readers?
 
5:56 PM
we want rep. We answer. case closed
 
Rob
@kyll On one hand, it will be useful to every new developer. On the other hand it's 1) not searchable (compilers very rarely give useful information about a missing colon) 2) it will pop up multiple times a day and 3) SO isn't a tutor website
so as I said, I wouldn't close it personally, but I still think it's on the verge of a bad question
 
in my mind, if running the code through the html or css validator is going to point to the exact error and following the suggestion provided by said validator fixes the problem, thats a typo.
 
user4639281
So every debugging question on the site should be closed.
 
Rob
Not necessarily
That's the whole issue being debated.. where do you draw the line? (as it turns out, it's nearly impossible)
 
5:59 PM
"my program didnt do what i expected and i didnt bother reading the error messages"? yeah, that shit should be closed
 
Rob
As I mentioned before: what about this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/34816013/…
 
user4639281
A typo is if I declare a variable as "var hello ='world'", the try to access it through "hell"
 
@rob not a typo
required more brain power
 
Rob
@Drew Right. But the error clearly tells them what's wrong. The method lacks await
 
@TinyGiant the guy is trying to specify a styling type that doesnt exist (css/text), how is that any different?
 
Rob
6:01 PM
Which in my opinion is similar to not understanding why you need ;
 
if it requires more than 4 synapse firings, not a typo
 
Rob
Though it's a bit more involved, it's still a non-question
 
user4639281
@cimmanon he didn't accidentally slip and type the whole thing backwards, he didn't know that it should be that way.
 
user4639281
@Rob I don't think a basic explanation of what an asynchronous function is would be too broad for Stack Overflow.
 
@TinyGiant how would he have even gotten the idea to have something that vaguely looks like the correct way to do it?
 
Rob
6:02 PM
@TinyGiant I don't either. I also don't think the question you answered is too broad. But where do we draw the line?
 
user4639281
Close it then, I'm done being helpful. I might be back in a bit, might not.
 
no one is suggesting tg's Q ref is too broad
group hug
 
Rob
@TinyGiant I don't think anyone is asking to close the question
Just discussing what the typo close vote applies to
I personally think close votes are too strict on SO, but I'm by far in the minority
 
what does strict mean
i would suggest people strictly don't close
 
Rob
@Drew I see questions that are clearly offtopic for SO (as decided on meta) that I believe are actually useful questions
I personally rare close-vote unless the OP clearly has done no research and it fits a meta-accepted close rule
 
6:07 PM
I find them highly useful. Whether they should remain open is another issue
 
Rob
Unless I'm in the queue, then I just go by what meta votes on
 
I never equate usefulness with should-be-openness
 
Rob
And in my opinion, that's a fundamental problem of SO
Especially with the very limited migration options
(I see multiple codereview-worthy questions a day that I can't migrate) as an example
 
I bet a large percent are that way
 
Back again.
Snowstorm out my window, sh1tstorm on my screen...
 
Rob
6:13 PM
Man I miss snow
It's the greatest
 
@Rob You can have mine. I give it to you gladly.
 
no blizzard yet. Miss last winter
 
Rob
@NathanOliver If only I could. I'd glady live in a northern-hemisphere country with perma winter
Compared to this 40c -> 19c in one day 'summer' we have here
 
I don't mind actual winter at all - it's the sloppy shoulder seasons that I could do without. This year has been great... unseasonably warm through December, then woke up to the middle of winter.
 
OP thinks this is a useful edit on a question closed due to no MCVE: stackoverflow.com/posts/34816997/revisions
 
6:15 PM
right cimm
 
Rob
Is an asker able to view their question if it's deleted by the community?
 
Yes.
 
Rob
(Also, I've never seen a spammer edit their post to fix formatting; that's new)
 
Useful or not? 1 ... 2
 
@Rob spam?
 
6:23 PM
@Rob What are you seeing that I'm not?
 
@Rob I think you might have the wrong link
 
Rob
Yeah, sorry
I am not paying attention
I saw "Tech companies and startups" in big bold with a link.. was too quick on the trigger
 
so I need to be productive in the next 3-4 hours... so bye chat room
 
@Drew The first one should have been "off-site resource", not migrated to SuperUser, folks.
 
I am not a fan of migrate
 
6:26 PM
Agree, Drew.
 
I am a fan of let it die here (with comments to hey go ask there)
 
Yep - fine to suggest to the OP to get familiar with the community that might help them.
 
@Drew There is even a song called let it die
 
@NathanOliver Disappointed. Was really hoping for a bunch of drunk SOers at a Karaoke bar singing "Let It Be" with customized lyrics...
 
lol. That would be more fun
 
6:31 PM
depends on your hardware? POB? depends on your schema and reality of keys in place (too broad) ? stackoverflow.com/q/34730590
 
Users having hardware trouble,
Post their woes and then they cry,
But those questions are off-topic, let them die.
And in their hour of darkness,
They miss the typo in front of their eyes,
One more crappy question, let it die.
Let it die, let it die,
Let it die, let it die,
They don't deserve our wisdom,
Let it die.
 
Nice
 
Who's up for Tequila shots & Karaoke tonight?!
 
@Mogsdad well, at least you didn't go this route
 
Why not? I'll bring popcorn.
 
6:37 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
 
I'm going to assume that was directed at me
 
Excellent attribution comment, though: No copyright infringement intended
@gunr2171 You got that right.
 
:D
 
@gunr2171 Or, Mogs dislikes popcorn very much.
 
No, me like-a da pops.
Scary. Just opened YouTube in a Chrome Incognito window... and got prompted to select which of my Google accounts to use YouTube as. WTF?
 
6:41 PM
Chrome uses your cookies when Incognito, it just doesn't save any new ones
or something like that
 
Yet when I open gmail, I need to log in.
 
er wait, nevermind
strange
 
...I'll just use FireFox private instead.
 
Google knows all. Even that you are on the same computer but in incognito mode ;)
 
Must get Gunr's pollution out of my head.
 
6:45 PM
: (
 
@NathanOliver But must they make it so obvious? I know they are an evil empire, but they don't need to act like a 1970's James Bond villian! "Now, before I kill you, let me show you how I have collected all kinds of data about you..."
 
@gunr2171 And now I'm actually going to hunt down my headphones, can't do this for a third day in a row...
 
@KevinBrown not my fault you have auto play with speakers
 
sd remove- OP deleted
 
fp? oh, never mind
 
6:47 PM
@Mogsdad lol. Did you ever watch Austin Powers?
 
@gunr2171 I don't, I just saw the name the song and it stuck :(
 
Am I correct in thinking a deleted answer should be rolled back if defaced?
by defaced, I mean replaced by "..........."
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Tunaki Meh
 
@Tunaki I thought you can't edit a deleted post?
 
6:48 PM
You can
 
oh
 
If it used to be a useful answer, maybe. But in this case, a waste of time.
 
@Tunaki see my unpopular answer here: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/309255/578411
 
@Tunaki That is kind of a gray array. As mogsdad said "meh"
 
sd remove- gunr edited
@Mogsdad Fair enough.
 
eyeroll
 
Today, I'm a proud 14-year old.
 
De-aged yourself?
 
@NathanOliver Magically yes!
 
Tiny is teaching you his tricks I see ;)
 
6:54 PM
Yolo! 8)
 
Rene passed a audit!
@rene You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today (1 of which was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 13 minutes, averaging to a review every 20 seconds.
 
thx
 
7:12 PM
@Nor next 5 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Tunaki The next 5 tags are: 79, 71, 56, 43, 38
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
afk
 
7:32 PM
Tunaki passed a audit!
@Tunaki You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today (1 of which was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 19 minutes, averaging to a review every 30 seconds.
 
grumble grumble rep cap grumble grumble
 
Карбид
 
@pavelkolodin Please use English in this room.
 
Carbide?
 
Yes, carbide... Sorry, will use english and will not talk about carbide.
 
7:48 PM
Okay, the one with the lowest percentage of helpful flags bakes waffles for everyone else.
 
Good luck calculating the percentage :p
 
98.7% out of 838 flags
 
I get 98.91% with 1135 flags
 
what are you using to calculating this?
 
7:52 PM
@gunr2171 see above meta link
 
98.38%, 1030 helpful flags
 
Errr
 
also, sweet, that's cool
 
I have 99.37% with 5854 flags
 
I'd have a lot more flags if I was under 3k
 
7:55 PM
That is a lot of flags
 
@NathanOliver There is a lot of NAA :D
 
Those are a lot of flags
 
Sorry for the one-box, but...
user image
5
 
.....wat
 
Nice
 
7:56 PM
Least helpful guy on SO
 
@Kyll fully justified
 
I wonder what made the script go crazy.
 
I used SOOF to try it, not the one from the actual script page
 
Way to break everything Kyll ;)
 
Hey, droppin in for a moment
 
7:59 PM
How many people reached out with that "helpfulnessless"?
 
Just 1 answer, I'd say we can NAA for now.
 

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