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10:07 AM
If SO would block posts with that specific title, spam would be reduced by 50%
 
@TimCastelijns Nah there are too many variations.
 
It's always "Best online sap training" :P
Or maybe those are the only ones I remember
 
10:21 AM
So...this guy is trying to make a tank in C++. stackoverflow.com/questions/34308638/…
I know it's task, but I don't want to correct this :P
 
@KevinGuan voted to delete and it's gone now
 
@Tunaki tank you
 
lol
 
user4842163
It's kind of neat that there's an influx of homework questions lately in tags like C and C++ related to CPU cache. They're rather redundant, but it shows me that unis are starting to teach students about it. When I was in school (ages ago), they taught computer architecture as though the machine only consists of registers and DRAM, no CPU cache in the middle.
 
@Ike It's kind of neat that there's an influx of homework questions lately because I can earn rep easily*
:p lol
 
user4842163
10:34 AM
@Tunaki Ah, I can't -- I'm far from an expert on the subject. Or are you talking about yourself?
 
That can't be right, since we close 90% of all homework questions :P
 
@Ike Nope, I don't follow those tags
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns These questions are a bit more theoretical in nature -- more likely to be redirected to computer science SE site, but they're not so bad as those kinds of, "It's 2am and I need to turn this code in soon!" cases.
 
I somehow got a combined total of ~50 upvotes on C and C++ tags.. no clue how that happened now since I consider myself a rookie in those languages
 
I don't see a particular influx of homework question in though
 
10:36 AM
@Ike ok nice to hear :)
There are no homework questions at all for python. Python is so easy to understand no student needs to ask questions about it :)
 
@TimCastelijns Hey I got a score of 5 of . How did that happen? I don't remember answering any C++ questions.
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns Sweet -- but I imagine Python has room for a lot of nice, unique questions because of the massive API that comes with it.
 
@Tunaki stackoverflow.com/a/32566776/1843331 question randomly tagged C++ probably :P
 
Morning
 
@TimCastelijns ah nice :)
 
10:38 AM
Hi kayess
 
user4842163
morning (night time here)
 
I have flagged this as abusive answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/34309606/…
Thanks Mr. Teanaki
 
Sorry Smokey, deleted by owner.
 
@Ike yes, I see many questions that are kind of localized, and not really interesting for a broad audience
 
@kayess Hey :)
 
10:39 AM
@Tunaki heya :)
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns Those are okay too IMO -- esoteric questions. I think their only problem is that their specificity makes them unlikely to generate much activity.
 
Yes that's what I meant to say. English was lacking
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns A lot of the nature of the C tag are questions that are too basic (and therefore either dupe/broad) or too esoteric (and therefore unlikely to get much activity because no one knows the answer).
 
@Ike It depends, esoteric questions sometimes are highly upvoted
 
user4842163
@Tunaki Yeah -- I think those cases are when the question is hitting an esoteric but applicable territory, like branch misprediction which is something people don't pay attention to much unless they're really in a performance-critical field with a profiler in hand, but applies to everyone in the world writing code.
 
user4842163
10:43 AM
@Tunaki I was thinking "esoteric" here more like a question about how to program a very specific model of a cell phone in C/assembly using the manufacturer's API, e.g.
 
Isn't the tag all about that? "intricacies of formal or authoritative specifications"
 
@Ike or "debug this dump of unreadable shit" that nobody wants to spend time on
 
user4842163
@Tunaki Language lawyer tag can probably generate endless unique questions, since the ISO C++ standard is so freaking complicated and such a dry read. :-D But those types of questions are rare in the C++ tag.
 
gasp! Tim did a swear!
 
Is saying "sh*t" is also swearing if it is used as a synonym for "poop"?
 
10:46 AM
 
user4842163
@Tunaki Yeah, not bad... but you might also notice a lot of them are dated around 2011 or 2014 when C++11 and C++14 came out -- a whole new language standard. They tend to get exhausted and dry up after a while without a language revision.
 
user4842163
@Tunaki Probably language lawyer is one of the most applicable territories in C++ though that hits a generalized language realm but won't have all the corners and crevices exhausted... endless possibilities for unique questions which are on-topic.
 
@TimCastelijns Is saying f*** swearing when it's a synonym of sex? :P
 
user4842163
@Tunaki But I personally find it so boring... as the documents themselves -- so dry... rewards someone who memorizes thousands of pages of obscure information and very technical wording.... the pedant's dream.
 
10:52 AM
I don't think the potential answerers memorized the whole documentation. They are just good at searching and going through it.
 
user4842163
@Tunaki I had one former colleague who could cite it like a preacher can cite a Bible... not sure how exceptional he was.
 
user4842163
@Tunaki He also tended to correct everyone around him all the time... very obsessed with perfect technical accuracy.
 
@Ike A true pedant then, yes.
It can be very rewarding to work with people like that because you can learn how to properly / correctly word your sentences
 
user4842163
@Tunaki Those types are really useful for the site though.. dead precision in their answers... But I always liked the technical writing style of the Butt Ugly Fish Book (amazon.com/Expert-Programming-Peter-van-Linden/dp/0131774298). It's filled with anecdote and humor, as can be seen by the pun in the title/image.
 
There's also a fine line between dead precision and too much precision when it's not required.
 
10:57 AM
@Tunaki We're talking about Java now?
 
user4842163
@Tunaki Yeah, that's a tough one. I had a controversial (maybe -- downs and ups) post here on meta about the beginner section where I suggested that a beginner needs a beginner-style answer.. like we don't teach sex ed to a child, we talk about people falling in love. It's a view that comes from having formerly taught computer science.
 
@MadaraUchiha Hmm, why?
 
unfortunately, image blocked at work, you used your one-box of the day for nothing :p
 
user4842163
Ehe, that's a funny image though.
 
11:01 AM
@Tunaki What kind of a sad place are you working in?
 
@MadaraUchiha EDF. French company of electricity
Not all images are blocked though. But imgur is...
 
user4842163
C++ can sometimes be like a child asking how gravity works, like asking why things fall to the ground, and then ending up leading to a debate about Newtonian vs. Einsteinian physics.
 
user3956566
you gotta love a function called doSomething, it really helps me to understand the original intent of the programmer
 
@MsYvette More descriptive that doIt or foo. At least, you know it does something!
 
doSomething() is always used as example by our teachers to explain how methods/functions work.. slaps teacher
 
11:04 AM
boolean isComputerOn() {
  return true;
}
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Maybe better than dontDoSomething()
 
user3956566
have one guess what language it is?
 
void dontDoSomething() {
    return;
}
 
of course
 
user3956566
is that what I do?
 
11:06 AM
And the star rain started again -_-
 
void doSomething() { magic }
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns Defensive programming -- have to make the design intent stable. :-D
 
user3956566
@Thaillie I was like what? yeh I'm good at starring things, it's a social networking hangover and takes less space than lol
 
user4842163
// This function should never do anything.
void dontEverDoSomething() {
....return;
}

I wonder how to write a unit test for such a function and its requirements. It's have to be able to make sure there are no side effects whatsoever.
 
user3956566
@Thaillie did you like the irony in that last star?
 
11:08 AM
@Ike But... but... it does something, it adds a call to the stack!
 
user4842163
@Tunaki That's true -- though likely to be optimized out provided that we are calling it directly (no dynamic dispatch or dylib boundaries, e.g.).
 
@MsYvette You are a star in starring stuff :p
 
Needs more stars.
 
user3956566
@Thaillie I know, should I slow down, vote please... we need a close star queue
 
user3956566
@Tunaki need more cowbell
 
user4842163
11:12 AM
up-vote review queue
 
comment review queue
 
Review review queue
 
user4842163
that's actually quite useful I'd think... to spot Qs and As which might be troublesome (comment review).
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns that's the best!!!
 
.....
 
user3956566
11:14 AM
Now this is the way to get more posts in the review queues! meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/308481/…
 
I don't like how david's beautiful poem of yesterday was removed from the shortlist of starred posts because of all these silly 1 star posts
 
user3956566
Please feel free to downvote it on my behalf
 
user3956566
Take that Tim bwa hahahaha
 
Bunch of philistines!
 
@TimCastelijns There are too much pinned messages, the real problems are RO of course.
 
user3956566
11:16 AM
@DavidG I really want to start that, but am scared of starting Star Wars
2
 
@MsYvette nice...
 
user3956566
uploadify like seriously?
 
user4842163
Lately been putting bounties on questions -- it's kind of rewarding to see it pay off and see all the effort and detail people put into answering when it happens. I recommend doing it if closing and reviewing Qs starts to get kind of depressing -- find an interesting Q that doesn't have much attention and stick a bounty on it. There's keeping the site clean on one hand but also making sure the interesting and unique Qs can get the proper attention on the other.
 
Like Madara who will give 500 rep bounty on any good canonical question :)
 
user4842163
@DavidG Wow, that's great! I'd exhaust my rep too quickly with such huge bounties.
 
11:23 AM
He's got a bit more to spare :)
 
user4842163
Finding the Qs don't have to be so advanced... even tried sticking one on the most uber beginner question (originally a bit with a trolling mindset)... then surprised to see how much effort people put into the answers, citing the ISO standard... like giving two-page educational answers for something which could otherwise be answered in a one-liner.
 
A two page essay is not necessarily better or more useful than a oneliner though
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns Yeah, sometimes terse is right. That one was targeted at an absolute beginner to C though, so the more detailed answers were helping to educate better with pictures to illustrate what was going on.
 
I don't know if ISO standards would make much sense to an absolute beginner ;)
Speaking from experience
 
Perhaps not, but they should be introduced as early as possible
 
user4842163
11:31 AM
@TimCastelijns Yeah, that's true.. that's just the pedantry part -- but in between the ISO citations were some appropriate beginner-level explanations (and pictures -- I like pictures!).
 
user4842163
Sometimes I'd think it'd be great if SO included a built-in tool to draw diagrams or something... to help illustrate subjects visually.
 
user4842163
Ooh, I'm gonna search meta to see if that's an existing feature request.. if not, make the request.
 
24
Q: Drawing/Sketching Tool for elaborating questions

Kevin BoydMore often than not I need to elaborate my question put up on Stack Overflow with a custom sketch, UML class diagram, flow chart... It is in these times I have to open up a custom paint software, factor out some diagrams, export it as a Image, attach it to SO. I wouldn't know how complicated ...

 
I guarantee people will say "Nah, just draw a picture in your favourite tool"
 
That's exactly what they said
 
user3956566
11:35 AM
paint
 
user3956566
:D
 
user4842163
Darn -- I'm looking at it less from the angle of, "We should be able to draw pictures more easily" and more like, "We should have the tool there to encourage people to illustrate more concepts visually when appropriate."
 
user4842163
So many beginner issues like understanding how to traverse a tree would ideally be shown through an image.
 
These kind of images are often already somewhere on the net
But can be hard to locate
 
user4842163
Yeah -- also some might benefit from being personally adapted to the specific nature and inputs the person asking the Q provides.
 
11:49 AM
Water drinkers; how often do you replace a plastic water bottle?
 
The cheap one you buy in the shop or a long term one you use for refilling from the tap?
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns only when it leaks
 
user3956566
who calls an ul class breadcrumb?
 
Cheap ones that you refill
 
I don't like to keep them around too long, 2-3 days.
 
11:57 AM
Let's just say that this one started to smell
A friend of mine used to keep the same bottle for several months, was wondering what is "normal"
 
@TimCastelijns Drinking coffee
 
Yeah, it's the smell that make me not want to keep them round. That smell is due to bacteria and other nasty stuff.
 
Figured something like that, thanks
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns erm I know this is off topic for SO, but a smelly water bottle is not a good sign O,O
 
It was starting to smell. The smell becoming 'real' is an async process. The callback has not been triggered yet
 
12:02 PM
The bacteria that make that smell are feeding off the cells from your lips and mouth, really funky stuff!
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns well in the onSmell -> call garbage collector,
 
Lol will do
 
user3956566
I also notice on your profile jack of all trades, as I now scour php and js jump back to android and then console apps in C#or mvc asp.net, I can really relate.. not to mention a it that cannot be named
 
user3956566
sorry for hurting people's eyes with that ^^
 
user4842163
Not a fan of garbage collection -- my team only used it once in a project, and the project had more leaks than even our ancient and nasty legacy C codebase.
 
12:07 PM
@Tunaki C'était un apéro au bar... Logique =p
Plop!
 
Hey
 
Plop Kyll o/
 
user4842163
They probably used it poorly -- but often the problem was rooting a resource (ex: storing it in a container and failing to remove it when the user no longer needs it). That becomes a glaring dangling pointer issue in C, in GC it becomes a logical leak that's hard to spot.
 
user3956566
@Ike I would never call it in java, just a joke.. to throw out a dirty water bottle in real life ;) ps that's why I like C and C++.. much prefer to manage my own memory
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Same -- though I think probably GC can be a wonderful thing... but I think the difficulty is that it's often considered to free us of all leak concerns -- it deceptively looks like a silver bullet, when we still have to think about resource management in a very complex codebase, and resource management is still hard no matter what.
 
12:11 PM
throw new WaterBottleIsSmellyException()
 
user3956566
@Kyll I have you tell you and @Tunaki a true story involving my failure to learn French. I got a tattoo written n French, it wasn't until some time later I discovered it totally doesn't make sense.
 
@MsYvette Come on, tell it to us
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Here in Japan I once met a Canadian guy in a bar with a tattoo in kanji. I asked him about it and he thought it read as, "Inner Peace". The kanji was actually "North Korea".
 
user3956566
@Ike I regard it as unreliable. The problem with the higher of the higher level languages, is the overhead and people tend to take this for granted.
 
@MsYvette The others don't speak French here, you can say it safely :p
 
user3956566
12:12 PM
@Kyll well it was ok, as the public never saw it, so I was like phew until ...
 
the suspense
 
user3956566
@Tunaki yeh with google translate.. no way :)
 
user3956566
anyway to finish the story.. I ended up dating someone I went to school with and unbeknownst to me, he was brought up only speaking French at home (yes we live in Australia)....
 
user3956566
He started to read it and I was like covering it up
 
Did I miss something?
 
user3956566
12:15 PM
It was like two years later he said to me, you know that tattoo is wrong (thankfully by this time I was not as embarrassed
 
user4842163
Could you "edit" it to make it correct? :-D
 
So he let you have a tatoo he knew was wrong and told it to you 2 years after.
 
user3956566
@Ike maybe with regex?
 
user4842163
:-D
 
user3956566
@Tunaki I already had the tattoo, but he waited two years to acknowledge he knew it was wrong.. to save me embarrassment.. :D
 
user3956566
12:17 PM
No one else on the planet knows what it says
 
user4842163
I really want a tattoo of Captain Picard and some of the other NG crew like Deanna Troi, but Japanese have harsh opinions about tattoos because of yakuza (Japanese mob). For example, you can't join a gym if you have a tattoo (they consider it "unclean").
 
the suspense is killing me, I so badly want to know now :).
Is it something that Google Translate can translate accurately :p ?
 
user3956566
@Ike look it wasn't my finest hour, where I come from, it's not a good idea to have one.. but then people do not know it's there, except all of you and any person from the public who reads this LOL
 
user3956566
@Tunaki it translate to not make sense and just sounds blinking stupid!!! LOL
 
user4842163
Ah -- more hidden spot. I want a tattoo like on my face -- make it blatant.
 
user4842163
12:19 PM
or neck area
 
user3956566
@Ike do you want to join a gym? Do you do martial arts?
 
user4842163
@MsYvette :-D No martial arts, but member of a gym.
 
subtely changing the subject, nice
 
user3956566
@Tunaki hey... LOL
 
user4842163
I wanna become bigger and macho like Arnie.
 
user3956566
12:21 PM
@Ike are you serious? that kind of look is ugly.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Yeah, I have a small physique and timid nature about me -- don't command presence. If I had huge muscles, I think that would help.
 
user3956566
@Ike no, you should hang around people who enjoy a sweet person like that, forget the muscles.. go for fitness yes. It is most important what is between people's ears.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Not sure "sweet" is an accurate description -- I have an aggressive and argumentative nature about me, just combined with timidness and a lack of confidence. Huge muscles seem like they would help win an argument. :-D
 
user3956566
@Ike in that type of argument, huge muscles help you get arrested LOLOL
 
@Ike You're the ticking bomb kind?
 
user4842163
12:25 PM
@MsYvette Ah yeah, no violence ever -- total pacifist.. but huge muscles might also prevent fights.
 
user4842163
@Kyll Precisely! The one who pents up stress and has the occasional embarrassing explosion. Loose cannon, ticking time bomb -- those seem accurate.
 
@Ike High-five for ticking bombs!
 
user3956566
@Ike forget the muscles, do you want to look like a shiny Ken doll i.stack.imgur.com/NgmPT.jpg
 
@MsYvette le neck
 
user3956566
@Kyll he had a fight with Barbie - she slit his throat and arms at the shoulders
 
user4842163
12:28 PM
@MsYvette Ah, I am not thinking about this from what women favor -- given that I'm already married. My wife also hates the huge muscle aesthetic, and it is not so popular in Japan.. Japanese like the skinny types. But I just want to command a stronger presence when I enter a room and speak, e.g.
 
Muscles will not help there
 
user3956566
@Ike all achieved with personality
 
Confidence is the power tool
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns Might help slightly! I'm pretty short -- 5'6, and I'm in my mid-30s but people often think I'm still like 18 years old. I get confused as a kid a lot.
 
@Ike Some small, skinny guys can terrify the hell out of you when they enter the room
 
12:30 PM
@Kyll It's fun when that happens :)
 
user4842163
@Kyll Yeah... I imagine Carmack (though not sure how tall he is). But I don't think I'll ever get that level of confidence, muscles seem easier to eventually get. :-D
 
@Ike Quite cliché, but have you tried working with rather than working against? People tell things to kids they would not tell adults or colleagues
That was very generic.
 
user4842163
@Kyll Thinking like in a company setting? Typically I'm quite cooperative -- though my patience runs out when trying to explain complex things to people who are quick to assume.
 
user3956566
@Ike I was talking to my son about this. Assertiveness.. how it's important to get the skill of speaking up, otherwise you end up exploding..
 
user4842163
@Kyll One of the biggest cultural difficulties I found since I often work for American companies is the idea of saying "no" directly... In Japan it is considered extremely rude, and Japanese understand that "I will think about it" or "maybe" often means "no" -- it's just to save grace for the person asking the Q. But a lot of my American employees take it to mean "yes".
 
user3956566
12:33 PM
@Ike ok we will practice. I am serious. Will you give me your first born please?
 
@MsYvette @Thaillie you're being offered!
 
user4842163
@MsYvette I'll think about it. :-D
 
user3956566
@Ike fail
 
user3956566
we need an assertiveness bot
 
@Ike That's extremely interesting. It means that if I am working with Japanese businesses I should avoid some speech patterns ("no" for example)?
 
user3956566
12:35 PM
ok you going to practice.. we'll teach you, everyday you come here, we will make a demand of you in the form of a polite question and you need to practice saying no I promise, it makes a difference
 
Stack Overflow Life Counselling Reviewers
 
user3956566
ok @Ike will you clean my house for free for the rest of your life (bear in mind I live in Australia and I am not paying for your flight or accomodations)
 
user4842163
@Kyll Yes -- somewhat.. you just want to kind of indirectly indicate a refusal -- it's considered the politest way. In Japan there is an aesthetic favoring the notion of being somewhat of a mind reader, and paying careful attention to the "air" -- the atmosphere of a conversation.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette I could say "no" here but it still seems incredibly rude.
 
@Ike Isn't that a huge pain for online conversations, even with videos?
 
user4842163
12:37 PM
@Kyll Yes -- very much so. I do favor the more direct response of a simple "no" -- it's just a habit I have a difficult time developing.
 
user3956566
@Ike think of it like this... not to give me a direct answer, in my situation, leaves me confused. So again.. ^^ above question.. Are you going to clean my house
 
user3956566
I can feel the air, I've made Ike uncomfortable sniff I'm so sorry!!
 
user4842163
@MsYvette (starts developing pent-up stress)... Never -- I will never do it! Never ever! I won't clean your house ever! It will be a dirty mess and nothing will change that! Your house is doomed!!!
 
user3956566
@Ike ok you are progressing. Tomorrow we'll try and bridge the jump between I'd like to say no, to exclamations :D I score you 6/10
 
user4842163
@MsYvette That's usually how it goes for me when I can finally say "no". :-D
 
user3956566
12:41 PM
@Ike it is really hard, your culture is not the only one like that. And that is an issue on SO and the communications.. some people will use many salutations and the way things are expressed is so varied it leads to misunderstanding, particularly when there is no body language.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Actually can't count the number of times that sort of thing happened... "I'll think about it.. maybe... I'll think about it... perhaps.... NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!"
 
user3956566
@Ike ah 9/10 a 10/10 is a simple 'no' once, without caps and no exclamations. And if they keep asking it gets firmer, until it gets very big :D
 
Sam
Afternoon
 
user4842163
@Kyll One thing though is that Japanese apply different standards when talking to people who aren't Japanese -- so they'll probably quickly forgive you if you say something that would be considered rude. What you can generally count on is that if a Japanese person firmly and directly says "no" to you, they are deliberately being somewhat rude (unless they changed their standards when addressing non-Japanese people).
 
user3956566
12:43 PM
@Sam hi! We need an assertiveness bot! just want to freak Sam out every time he comes into chat with yet another request for a bot
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns Hehe, I should link to that when I reach that point.
 
@Sam Hey o/
 
Sam
Lol
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns I think if he looks like that, they may send him to hospital for a "rest"
 
Hey @Sam.
 
Sam
12:45 PM
@DavidG Huh, that's odd. Well you were "seen" only 20 seconds ago when I pinged you.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Somewhat related but I noticed very confident people who command attention can also often use curse words very easily and blend it into their speech without sounding awkward. I've never been able to do that -- every time I try to incorporate a swear word into my speech, it comes off forced, awkward.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Like one time I tried to humorously reply to my co-worker with an attempt at incorporating some swearing into my speech, and I said, even in jest, "All right ass face." and then he got really offended, "What did you call me?" and then I had to apologize profusely.
 
user3956566
@Ike hahahaha.. yeh.. maybe don't swear..
 
Sam
@Ike lol
 
Holy Haleakalā! I was wondering what may have changed since yesterday, hence the bibliothic length messages here.
 
user3956566
12:50 PM
@Ike oh no
 
user3956566
@kayess it's now the personality review room LOL
 
Sam
@Pham status
 
SOCVR ChatBot version 1.0.0.0, running for 12 hours and 43 minutes.
 
high-rep user doing "oops, I ask a different question now" edits to a question which was closed as duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/34311692/…
 
@Tunaki Check this, I know that you want to reject the version 4 suggested edit :P stackoverflow.com/posts/8738933/revisions
 
user3956566
12:50 PM
@Pham Sam status please
 
should I flag for moderator intervention, or what?
 
@MsYvette nope, it's because the SO theologist joined here :-p
 
user3956566
@kayess who?
 
@KevinGuan yes, yes I do
 
@tripleee Rollbacked, I'll go to comment.
 
Sam
12:51 PM
@MsYvette Chatbot version 18.952.1.926, awake for 8 minutes.
 
@KevinGuan thanks
 
@MsYvette @Ike :p
 
note also the discussion under the first (and so far only) answer
 
user4842163
@MsYvette For me it's not about the cursing -- like I don't want to develop that habit. I just noticed people who can curse easily and mix it into their regular speech without even drawing much attention to it tend to be confident people, possibly social butterflies. So there's a desire for me there to become more like them, and also conform better.
 
@tripleee Huh, actually he's trying to improve it, but looks that his edit is incorrect (check the comments). Agreed?
 
12:55 PM
morning!
 
not sure, the comment where he pulled this from looks like his edit was correct, but changing the question from one FAQ to another is hardly the way to go anyway
 
Morning Nathan o/
 
user4842163
hello! (night time here)
 
@NathanOliver o/
 
@tripleee Huh...my bad...check OP's edit.
 
12:56 PM
@KevinGuan indeed
 
@tripleee Wait, I'm right...
 
Sam
Morning!
 
@tripleee Looks like it should be another question, not the edit of the question right?
 
user3956566
@Ike I totally agree. I swear a LOT, it's bad habit of decades
 
12:58 PM
@KevinGuan that's what I'm thinking, but anyway, like I just commented, the nominated duplicate answers the revised version as well anyway
 
user4842163
Does Mysticial ever come in and participate here? I'm kind of a fan of his -- get star struck... every single one of his answers always make me want to improve my knowledge of computer architecture, if not already teaching me something new in the process.
 
Sam
@NathanOliver Y U NO WAIT FOR GRAVEROBBER?
 
lol. No. If someone wants them they can have them.
 

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