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12:52 AM
@AdrianMole I did appreciate that nuance, though I was not in support of 1-reppers being able to downvote.
As I've said before, I'd support the feature of waiving the cost of a downvote while you have a comment or active/helpful flag on an answer.
 
 
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5:27 AM
@Cow wow, the spam answer is from October, 2023, good catch
 
Cow
5:46 AM
@Cristik thanks, yeah I saw it on metasmoke and thought, why is this still here?
 
6:43 AM
I'm not sure how many of you follow MSE, specially for SEDE related stuff but there are some exciting new features added that can use some testing: meta.stackexchange.com/a/398996 Feel free to drop in SEDE chat to share any findings.
 
6:56 AM
My guess is the matching is on the url & title
 
@rene bisecting it yields no match. Weird...
 
The MS record shows stackoverflow.com has some TP records for the domain. I can imagine that is true ... still ...
 
@rene the "pattern-matching website" rule in findspam.py looks at the regex starting on line 2070 ... I guess it could be tweaked to exclude SO / SE / etc
bisect only looks at the external lists so would not tell you anything about what goes on inside the (other) rules in findspam.py
TP for a domain is just an indirect indicator; we TP or FP on individual posts, some of which will always contain domains which dominantly are in posts of the other kind
it is not entirely uncommon for a spam post to link to Google, or Amazon, or Fiverr, but those are not "spam domains" as such
(Fiverr borderline as far as posts in metasmoke are concerned, but more generally a legit service)
@Nick ^ cc
 
Cow
7:11 AM
for anyone interested, this is the linked page: i.stack.imgur.com/tXZht.png
 
@Cow if it's not to much trouble, could you include the metasmoke link too when reporting spam here?
 
Cow
@tripleee sorry about that
 
I haven't been doing that very religiously in the past either; but I see now the error of my ways
 
Cow
@Cow MS
 
thanks
 
Cow
7:13 AM
@tripleee my bad, will try to remember :)
@tripleee yeah it's both good documentation and nice for anyone using the site or plugins
 
7:27 AM
@tripleee what's the reason behind there being external lists and findspam.py?
 
@Nick the external lists were created organically when it became untenable to keep them in findspam.py
 
@tripleee that would make sense. Has anyone ever thought of exporting the internal lists to the external ones so they can be searched in the same way?
 
they don't particularly need to be external, the logic of bisect could be updated to cover everything in findspam.py but technically it's not terribly clear how to meaningfully report anything more than "the rule which triggered is the one which triggers"
what bisect actually does (as the name suggests) is disable half of the list at a time to drill down to the one which actually triggers; but the other rules in findspam.py are not in a shape where this can realistically be done
I guess something like Python's ast module could be used to reason about the code but that's a nontrivial effort
 
 
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11:20 AM
@OcasoProtal Has been edited to english, threw them a reopen vote.
 
@DanielF Thanks for the hint. Got a reopen vote from me too!
 
11:32 AM
Been away a while, is the approved solution for suspected AI answers still "make a diamond mod hate life" (i.e. flag for moderator intervention)? Because I don't trust my AI-spotting ability enough to trust it to potentially waste someone else's time.
 
12:08 PM
Morning
 
@NathanOliver: good morning
Are there any experts here? This question was closed at my request for being unfocused. The OP has now made it more Python specific, removing the non-Python language tags. Is it worth re-opening at this point?
 
not a fantastic question but I guess yes, it seems eligible (though debugging effort would be nice)
also the indentation is still broken. So actually not quite yet
 
@tripleee: thank you for your reply and comment on the question!
 
sure, and sorry for missing the indentation problem initially
 
12:29 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Just FYI, you can't ping close voters unless there was only one close voter
 
@Machavity: dang. Thanks
 
12:42 PM
remind me, am I allowed to post a second cv-pls if my request was moved to the graveyard unactioned?
 
thanks
 
1:00 PM
Can we consider reopening this? It's marked as duplicate but the linked question is unrelated and is not even in the same programming language. stackoverflow.com/q/64865087/5645656
 
@CardinalSystem Isn't there a duplicate? Also what the question title is asking seems different to what the answers are answering. I'd expect something closer to How To limit the number of characters in JTextField? to be the answer. Rather than "how to count digits in a string".
Also, if it's literally just "how to use regex to count number of digits* I'm sure we have multiple duplicates. Probably in the three digit range.
 
@VLAZ I think it should be closed for a different reason. The C# question that was linked it in no way related, so (at the very least) something else should be linked. By the way, I just got my close/reopen votes privilege so I'm pretty new to this side of SO. Still learning the conventions and reasoning.
Please bear with me :)
 
Generally we don't reopen posts just to close them for another reason... that being said, a dupe closure that is not a dupe (or uses a bad target) is certainly one of the more preferable things to get changed (as we don't want to redirect users to wrong information)... if there are three users here standing by ready to re-close it for an appropriate reason, we could probably reopen it and then re-close it immediately
 
I do also agree that the dupe doesn't make real sense. Even if it was for Java it's not relevant. But OP is the one who accepted the dupe, that's why it was closed.
 
1:16 PM
@CardinalSystem I can do that, but how do you want it to be closed
 
This would probably be a better dupe target: stackoverflow.com/questions/30776617/…
It is tagged python, but the answer is scoped to regex and not specific to any regex-engine
 
@CardinalSystem done. If you have any other appropriate duplicates I could add them, too.
 
@CardinalSystem well, Python uses its own flavor of regex, so hopefully all the answers are valid within Python's regex engine
2015 is a surprisingly recent era for half a dozen answers all saying the same thing within a minute or two
normally such Q&A threads occurred in 2011 or earlier
 
@TylerH reminds of those instances where a user with 1rep copied my answer word-for-word and reposted
 
@CardinalSystem Generally we don't allow reopen requests when you're involved in the question. And your answer there counts as involvement. Just something to note for the future.
 
1:21 PM
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@mickmackusa I was not saying you were weak (or that you were anything, personally) :-) Just that the behavior of earning the Peer Pressure badge is more admirable than intentionally avoiding it. In other words, it looks better on you for having it than not, if you have posts that you think qualify. Or to put it another way, it reflects the point of having a badge--you have valuably interacted with the system in some novel way :-)
@KevinB The double negative here is really making it difficult for me to parse early in the morning
@CardinalSystem in those cases, do flag those copy pastas, even if they get accepted :-)
a mod should happily delete it
 
@Machavity thank you for clarifying. I was considering removing my answer because it serves little benefit to the community.
@TylerH I will be sure to do so if it happens again.
@DalijaPrasnikar thank you
 
@CardinalSystem No problem. We just don't want the room dragged into the politics of closure. And welcome to the world of close voting. We hope you'll hang around and toss some close votes in :)
 
Hold on a second, I think I can grab some of my own questions worthy of closing :P
 
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2:21 PM
This request is not valid anymore: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=57279903 cc:@Machavity @TylerH
 
@M-- Misread it initially. Looks like a how-to question
NAA is gone
 
M--
makes sense :)
 
@mickmackusa As an active (and, more importantly, a vocal) curator you should be well used to revenge downvotes. Often they'll pick an already downvoted answer to downvote further. Just be glad you can delete it and aren't stuck with a -7 turd on your record lol
 
2:33 PM
Is that answer wrong, or just disliked?
 
@Machavity It was accepted and untouched for a few years. Maybe the opening paragraph is a bit condescending but it's not wrong afaik
 
Just checking. We do delete incorrect accepted answers if asked by the answer poster
 
i was able to delete my worst one
wait, no
just one of them at -5, the -31 is still there,:p
 
M--
@miken32 isn't that a typo question though?
 
@M-- I would probably vote to close as such today, yeah.
 
2:43 PM
my most downvoted not deleted answer is entirely correct
also has a delete vote
 
2:58 PM
 
Guess I can't complain too much about a -7 answer; -31 is bad, but -218 is worse.
 
ouch
 
3:27 PM
@miken32 Yet, as an accepted answer and with 76 upvotes (and 294 downvotes), that answer still yields a nett positive rep. of 172. :-)
 
A (and Q) upvotes should probably have been 5 rep all along
10 and 2 is such a huge disparity
 
Sorry, I forgot about the 15 ... nett rep. is 187.
 
Does the 15 still apply if it's the OP's answer?
 
nope
 
@TylerH but then my imaginary number would be SMALLER
 
3:32 PM
OK, so my forgetfulness was inspired.
 
4:05 PM
 
4:20 PM
@AdrianMole and the answerer was also the OP of the question ...
 
 
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6:22 PM
 
Cow
6:33 PM
@Chris @Cristik The user of this question edited it extensively, maybe it should be reopened? stackoverflow.com/q/78317047/11355926
-9 rip
 
7:04 PM
@Cow yeah maybe, but I don't think I was involved in closing it? I also didn't vote on it. Any particular reason you're tagging Cristik and me instead of posting a reopen-pls?
 
@Chris likely because you and Cristik both voted to keep it closed in review. Though I agree a simple reopen-pls would be better
 
Cow
@Chris Sorry, I just saw you in the edit logs and assumed left closed was the actual close vote, but I see it now, nevermind me, I didn't read properly.
 
don't think I would have voted to leave it closed if it was in its current state... but I might've with a previous revision.

Is there a better way to find if / how I voted in the review queue besides digging through my All Actions → Reviews?
Oh yeah, I see it in the history. Looks like it was at revision 4 at the time, which was just a code dump and some errors. No context or question.
 
Cow
I only caught this because one of the links made metasmoke report it
then clicked the edit and saw the history, poorly, I admit
 
8:02 PM
When a mod deletes a post, regular users can't undelete it: "A moderator has deleted this post and it cannot be undeleted". Is there some kind of mod-only undelete queue for mod-deleted posts that have been edited by their author?
 
@Chris No, mods aren't alerted in anyway when a user edits a post that was mod-deleted
One exception might be if there are excessive rollback wars, which do automatically trigger mod flags... I say "might" because I'm not sure if deleted posts are monitored for that
 
@TylerH the post I'm looking at (along with many of the user's other posts) was deleted via my mod flag about unattributed links. The user is experienced (>100k rep) and I imagine they can submit their own mod flag once they've fixed the problem... is that how I should leave it? I can only see one of the posts to know that it's been fixed; I have no idea about the rest.
 
Yeah, they should definitely know they can cast their own mod flags to undelete mod-deleted content
you're not under any obligation to constantly monitor posts you've flagged for edits so that you can flag again for undeletion review
 
8:30 PM
@Chris You need to mod flag for anything that was diamond deleted
Anyone can raise a flag for it, tho
 
 
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10:37 PM
@miken32 Yes, I am "used to" revenge votes hitting my correct and demo'ed content -- this is why I don't usually take any action when one of my answers received a no-comment downvote.
The Peer Pressure badge / Badge of Shame is an indication that the contributor posted something that the community didn't like. But in cases where there is no clear & valid justification for the negative score and my answer is convincingly correct (to me), then I would just be surrendering to bullies. I'm not in high school anymore, I know what bullies thrive on, I'm not giving them what they want.
If someone would have posted earlier that my answer was confusing (like RyanM did), I would have improved it. In my own head, the answer was fine.
Downvotes are barely informative.
 
@miken32 do remember that you can request disassociation if you'd like
 
@RyanM I'll keep that in mind. I made it CW after the first couple so it's no longer affecting me in any way other than an illogical annoyance
 

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