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12:21 AM
What caused this to get deleted?
 
@CPlus there's a lot of history in the transcript from this room...
 
@Nick I'm curious as to its final score, closure status, etc.
 
Ultimately I think it was decided that it was a duplicate and didn't add anything to what already existed in the dupe.
 
 
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3:53 AM
Is it spam?
 
 
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Cow
9:27 AM
wave goodbye to spam also
^ spam, title is: Why are they not paying me money for 2 jobs of BGN 260 each? and the body says you should make a betting bot
 
@Cow Was the question also reported?
 
Cow
Yes, I reported it
 
ok, good :)
 
10:38 AM
a confused OP updated their deleted question, I'm divided between rolling back, mod flagging, or just ignoring. stackoverflow.com/posts/78106597/revisions (10k rep required, I assume)
silently rolling back would probably come off as confusing; I obviously cannot comment on a deleted question to explain what I did, so perhaps this should be delegated to a mod
just leaving it would risk confusion if somebody reviews it without understanding that it was edited after deletion, though in concrete terms the new version is no less confused than the original, just a lot more verbose
 
11:05 AM
@tripleee doing nothing would be the best course of action. OP can repost if they see their question is still deleted, or they can go to meta, either way there's no action needed from us
 
thanks, I'll still see if they undelete because I followed the post at the time (that's how I discovered this recent edit)
 
@Cristik Reposting would be the worst option for the OP. What they should do is flag it for (possible) undeletion by a moderator. But that looks like the all-too-common case of over-zealous delete voters. Once closed, it would have been eaten by Roomba, in time, if OP had not edited it.
If it hadn't been deleted, the OP could have submitted it for reopen review ... but that would likely have left it closed.
 
@tripleee kudos for following deleted questions, I usually unfollow once the question gets deleted either by OP or Roomba
 
just laziness really, but occasionally useful or surprising (-:
 
@AdrianMole also the score is -7, with questions like this best to restart from scratch, even if it would've get reopened, having a score lower than -5 would've prevent the question from appearing on some of the feeds
meaning the chances to get an answer from someone qualified are pretty low
 
11:11 AM
what's more concerning is that the OP seems to still have absolutely no idea how to ask a well-defined question; that's where I'm thinking it might be useful for a mod to get in touch with a more detailed response
 
but do we want to involve the mods in something like this - teaching users how the site works?
 
@Cristik Mods are primarily teachers. Although we call them "exception handlers," their common chat-room is, after all, known as the "Teachers' Lounge!"
Like, they teach spammers how to get their accounts nuked, and persistent rude commentators how to get site-wide vacations. :)
 
12:07 PM
 
Morning
 
I can just disregard this classic case of bullying, right? I mean, this is the same bullying that I got back in 2017 when I first started answering. stackoverflow.com/questions/1519872/…
 
@mickmackusa Ah, YCS, yeah, you can ignore
@user2357112 we don't post links to users for people to take action against.
You can raise a mod flag if they have a pattern of bad behavior
 
12:35 PM
I think it is just their way. If they were capable of change, they would have changed several suspensions ago. It's not a very helpful/insightful comment. I guess I'll just flags noise.
 
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1:55 PM
@NotTheDr01ds Shouldn't the code in the screenshot also be in the question?
since that's the code that is throwing the warning?
 
@TylerH Ideally, but I get that the user was trying for an MRE. I agree that the actual code could serve as the MRE here, though.
 
2:27 PM
@NotTheDr01ds I am not sure it "worths" 3 reopen votes + 3 close votes
 
@Vega Is there a duplicate, though? I have no idea. If so, then best to just have a gold-badge re-close if needed.
 
2:40 PM
@NotTheDr01ds It seems there are at least two "typos"
 
2:52 PM
 
3:05 PM
@Vega And if the question was in shape to reopen, I shouldn't have to ask this, but in the code in the answer or in the screenshot? And do those typos appear to be causing the error?
@TylerH Would you remove my reopen-pls for now? If warranted, I'll toss it back in later.
 
sure thing
 
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4:31 PM
@M-- Sorry but this request itself is room rules violation (rule15)
And @CPlus, that wasn't the best thing to do for the above undel-pls question
that why the room rule exist (amongst other reasons)
 
M--
well, yes and no, prior to the vote, I didn't have much stakes in that question (not that I care about reps in general), but to make it kosher, I made it CW
 
Still against the rule 15
 
I know that if you try to self-delete a question with an answer with least 1 upvote (regardless the answers net score), you will see a message like: This question cannot be deleted because others invested time and effort into answering it.
 
I was talking about the upvote and the comment under the question
 
But that is why I upvoted the answer. Presumably the OP deleted their question as 'solved' so presumably the answer was helpful.
 
4:39 PM
We don't know why the OP deleted it. Maybe they used actual patient data in the question or something.
 
M--
@miken32 that's a stretch
 
@miken32 Agree
 
The fact remains that nobody but them knows why it was deleted
And anything else is just speculation, far-fetched or not
 
M--
that's immaterial in this conversation though; when they post to SO, they have an irrevocable agreement under CC
here, Vega is not arguing against the validity of the reqeust
they're arguing whether I should've made the request considering that I had an answer posted there
 
@miken32 Then they should edit their question to use fake patient data instead, and then flag to have the initial revision(s) redacted.
 
M--
4:43 PM
why we are even talking about the reason for deletion?!!!
@TylerH can I get a slap on the wrist? :)
@Vega it's ok if you want to post a del-pls and revert my request. I flagged the question anyway for mod attention.
 
@M-- which is fair, there is a rule about that. I should have noticed before voting. To be above board, I believe the answer would have had to be converted to Community Wiki before the reopen-pls request was posted.
 
M--
agreed!
 
@CPlus I'm with @Vega on this point, though. Voting an answer up to prevent OP from deleting the question doesn't align with the guidance.
 
M--
@CPlus now that I edited the answer, you can take your vote back
 
sheesh, I can't leave y'all alone for even a second...
as Vega said, @M--, rule 15 prevents requests on posts where you have an undeleted, non-community-wiki answer. So please don't make such requests in the future, unless your posts are CW. Consider your wrist slapped
 
4:50 PM
@M-- Well, no. Making it community wiki with no other changes apparently does not count as editing.
 
M--
Ouch!
@CPlus try now
 
@CPlus also, I recommend you not upvote posts solely to prevent a user from self-deleting. Self-deletion is allowed by the system, so it's not necessarily a violation of the licensing of the content by doing so. Otherwise any deletion of content by any user is a violation.
Instead, vote on content based on its quality or usefulness
 
Ok
 
M--
... we don't (should not) downvote to make a question get roomba'd. Same principal applies to upvotes.
 
Well, if you want it to get roomba'd you probably think the question is not useful anyway.
 
M--
4:59 PM
I meant downvote the answers to get the question roomba'd
question may not be useful, but the answers... yada yada yada... bottom line, we should not abuse the system.
 
If there is a closed question that should be deleted, I would probably post a instead of downvoting the answers.
 
M--
@CPlus well not probably, that's what we are supposed to do
we are on the same page, I stop
 
If I come across a user who is rewriting old answers with new info (to the extent that I would say it clearly conflicts with the author's intent if I saw it in the review queue) or just adding completely new solutions via edits, is that worth flagging for mods? Didn't do an exhaustive check, but found 5-6 particularly bad examples from 2020-2023 so there is a pattern but they haven't done it lately.
 
@miken32 yes, if it is happening more than once or twice. The edits should be rolled back if they are significant or if they conflict with the author's intent. You could opt to roll them back and wait to see if the user re-applies them before flagging, if you want to be cautious
 
5:18 PM
@TylerH ok I rolled back a few where the OP hadn't made subsequent edits; seems unlikely the editor would notice edits to other users' posts so I'll gather my examples and flag it.
 
 
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