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12:12 AM
(fixed it)
 
@RyanM the joys of room-ownership :)
or is it moderator-power?
 
mod-power. I can do nothing here ...
 
^ that. deleting and editing other people's messages is a mod-only ability
 
Diamonds are a curator's best friend!
 
12:38 AM
@RyanM thanks :)
 
@Nick I'll admit to removing your added dupe target because it was much less appropriate for the asked question than the exact duplicate that I found. stackoverflow.com/posts/78191233/timeline the new question doesn't have a whitelist of characters to truncate from, your dupe target uses numbers as the whitelist of characters to truncate from. Your link is loosely related, like the other pages that added as comments.
 
12:54 AM
@KenWhite oh god. A bunch of tags on that one that are totally off-topic nowadays :o
 
@Jonas At least the OP was receptive to the explanation of why it was off-topic. It was an awfully long post, too.
 
 
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4:48 AM
I guess I won't flag this one: stackoverflow.com/a/2017819/2943403
 
 
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7:41 AM
@Vega both the question and the answer!
 
@desertnaut SD reported the answer
 
@Vega yeah, but sometimes SD has false positives
 
 
8:19 AM
Hmm. Any particular reason why this review-pls request has been moved the the graveyard? The review still isn't complete.
Or did I break a room rule, again?
:(
 
@AdrianMole I think the script is malfunctioning ...
@AdrianMole the review is complete. We'll await our review ban now.
 
@rene Hmm.
 
jps
8:51 AM
Screenshot of the day: 3? pages of code in one picture - can you read it?
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Cow
ROFL
 
jps
^^ that's the question with the bizarre screenshot
 
Cow
I normally wouldn't react to blinking lights etc, but this gif gives me instant headache
 
@jps I guess we've said that we don't allow pictures of code. Nowhere in the rules does it specify that animations including pictures aren't allowed. /s
 
^hope it is a valid reason ;)
 
9:02 AM
I wouldn't delvote. The image is not directly shown in the question. And it'd just roomba anyway.
 
Cow
I can hear rene writing :D
 
jps
@Vega the OP could still improve it, e.g. by lowering the frequency of the animation ;)
 
Ok, I removed the image
@jps :)
 
@jps Instead of multiple screenshots in a GIF, they could be extracted into still images. But then also resized, so they'd all be laid out in the same width and height as the GIF. Thus users can read all of them at once without moving their eyes outside where the GIF would be! :P
 
jps
@VLAZ For Commander Data from Star Trek Next Gen the animation would be ok, he would just complain that it is too slow.
 
9:11 AM
@jps Hmm, the policy is to not have images of code/**data**/errors. Is there any linguistic quirk we can use to claim that the wording also means Data is not allowed to look at the images? That would solve the problem.
 
It's not a complex enough solution!
 
We don't need C++ for everything.
 
jps
@rene at least you could adjust the speed between 0.25x and 2x and even pause it.
 
true that. So it has merit. Let me FR that on MSO
 
9:19 AM
FR = "Feature Recording", right?
 
jps
Futile Request
 
Feature request?
 
jps
Feature or futile are equivalent for SE, when the request comes from the community.
 
@Vega ('twas a joke - "recording" as in "video")
@jps From this it follows that Resistance is Feature :P
 
9:47 AM
@VLAZ Noted for FR (future reference)
 
@Vega :)
 
jps
10:40 AM
another nice scrrenshot (beautiful moiré)
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12:05 PM
Morning
 
12:28 PM
@rene So there's a place for C#?
 
1:12 PM
Hey hey. I asked a crappy question, it got closed, so I updated it, and now I don't know what's going on. Can someone tell me if this needs more updates? stackoverflow.com/questions/78188758/…
 
@LCIII Well, assuming it was you who cast the current, pending "reopen" vote, then that would have submitted it to the review queue, where others will decide whether to vote to reopen or leave it closed.
... If, by posting in this room, you are asking for expedited reopen votes, then that's against the Room Rules. However, if you just want advice, then that's (sort of) OK.
Note that it takes 3 reopen votes to actually reopen a question. If, during the review process, three reviewers choose to "Leave Closed", then the review will end (but any pending reopen votes will remain, for a while ... not sure what the expiry time is).
 
@AdrianMole Ahhh gotchya. Thanks for the info
 
@LCIII it looks better so I guess its initial close reason has been resolved. So far it looks like it hasn't yet made it into the review history, so no additional re-open reviews have taken place, yet. Give it another 48 hours or so for reviewers to handle that task.
 
1:41 PM
 
2:01 PM
ugh, updated to a new build of Office at work. Now I get to waste a few hours fixing the new layout of the apps and learning where stuff is and how to deal with less productive space in the window
 
@TylerH There's 365 new pain points. It's the yearly easter egg hunt!
 
2:25 PM
@Machavity for real
also just got my first "reaction" notification email
because, you know, that's a thing that should exist, apparently, according to... someone
 
@TylerH 🚽
 
@TylerH The Microsoft overlords know best. I know it because the Microsoft overlords told me that.
 
🚽
 
And, on queue, @KevinB shows up
 
@Machavity You used the ancient summoning incantation
Sort of related but I have been using Windows 11 for a week now and...there are some really odd UI choices they made. I can even catch glimpses of why. But it's a bit like staring at some Lovecraftian old god. I can see some of it but mind can't really comprehend it fully.
 
hasn't outlook had reactions for years now
we use them all the time
primarily for "Thanks" or "Done"
 
Back in the old days, we had to write our emotional reactions out. With words. Then we had to talk with HR about why that was bad.
 
heh, i never did that either, i just put "thanks" in my signature and never had to express feeling again
> You're a failure. Thanks, - Kevin B
 
Bring back Clippy to M/S Office; that's what I say .... but add a "Dark Mode" to its personality.
 
They did, it's just been renamed copilot
 
2:37 PM
hehe
I was using Edge to read a PDF, yesterday, and couldn't select text to copy. So I asked Copilot. That told me to not use Edge but, instead, download Acrobat Reader.
 
@AdrianMole Funny thing actually - nowadays a bunch of tools have an AI assistant that pops up and tries to help you. And it is very similar to Clippy. A lot of these assistants also have some sort of avatar. And you're supposed to interact with them similar to how you'd do with Clippy - use them for suggestions. But the current assistants do offer more of a text-based UI. Some do offer clickable items like Clippy did.
@AdrianMole I tried to use Postman to post-process some data after hitting a URL. It'd just try to extract a field from the data and log it. I didn't know where to find the log, so I decided to see what the Postman assistant would tell me. I asked how to find the console. And it generated a test that logged "logging text to the console" in the console.
 
Trivia: Clippy's birth name was Clippit.
 
What was the dog called?
 
And later Rocky
 
Chrome has an AI now to help you write. No. Just... no.
 
@KevinB maybe? I just got updated to a new version that had them apparently. I had an older version, maybe 220 or 230something until today
I had never gotten a 'reaction notification' email before though
In other tech news, yikes for Apple: arstechnica.com/security/2024/03/…
 
Cow
@TylerH ouch
 
@TylerH yeowch
 
I never get the reaction notifications as an email
it just shows up on the email
probably doesn't work that way on smtp clients
 
How would it show up on the e-mail? I sent an e-mail, would I have to go into my sent folder and see it magically updated? (which, btw, I loathe the Outlook client's magic updating of HTML emails for, e.g. access requests to SharePoint sites. I get the e-mails for access requests but access is managed through a separate account, so I see the access request for like 0.5 seconds before it auto-updates and the email text body now says "you don't have access to this site"... ARGGHHH)
ew, yes, I see the thumbs up there above the sent e-mail body. Gross
 
3:06 PM
@TylerH Would you put it past MS? I'm past expecting them to use emails like, you know, emails.
 
this is the same company that doesn't want even really want to make Office anymore, so I guess it makes sense that the changes they do push are unappetizing ones
 
@TylerH Well, if they asked me nicely, then I'd take it off their hands. But I would want a full, past-revisions history so that, for my "Mole Orifice 2025," I'd just use MS Office from (say) 1995.
 
@AdrianMole I think people have nostalgia for the old MS aesthetics, so probably there is a market for this.
Heck, they're still patching and updating Age of Empires 2.
 
3:22 PM
Yeah but that has a player base thats actually bigger than AOE 3 and 4 [citation needed]
 
@GeneralGrievance I think it's less nostalgia for the old interface and more actually more useful interface than the ribbon they came up with. And a lot of the new things they've been trying. As I said Win11 is fascinating at how they tried to address some sort of issues. But adding completely new ones. Or axing features that didn't need to be axed.
 
I was looking, just the other day, for a feature in Word that I know used to be there: "Select all content with this style". I gave up after about 20 minutes.
 
They even made a new UI for Teams. Why? No idea. It mostly looks the same as the old one. But also is missing the contacts list. Something that seems, you know, useful for a messaging app. They "re-introduced" it with the Peoples app. It's basically an addon for teams. It shows all the contacts you had but it's more clicks to get there and it shows you less information. For example, doesn't tell you who is online or not. Another thing that, you know, is kind of important for a messaging app.
 
Maybe they're trying to emulate SO's "Teams" - that's quite clearly super-popular.
 
Ew... MS Teams. It has never worked right on our company laptops.
 
Cow
3:30 PM
yeah I'm pretty tired of MS Teams also
but then we changed to Cisco webex and I must say, omg that is bad
then I would rather have MS Teams
 
@GeneralGrievance A colleague has a very strange issue. If he is using Teams and sharing his screen, opening Azure DevOps (internally hosted) is extremely slow. We have no idea why. It's pretty bad. He found out that the web version of Teams works without hampering the connection on his machine.
 
Cow
if Cisco is reading this, please don't cancel my certifications
 
@Cow I'd hope Cisco actually appreciate your feedback. I've used their meeting software once for a remote interview. It was a huge pain. I was glad I never had to repeat the experience.
 
Cow
@VLAZ you're absolutely right, it's a huge pain
err guys, some 250K rep dude translate a question even though it specifically says you shouldn't, should I just ignore it? (stackoverflow.com/q/78201020/11355926)
 
i generally like the outlook web client, but the search is absolutely awful
 
Cow
3:40 PM
@KevinB what search? :D
hehe
 
@Cow Mod flag it. Can't say much here, but that user is 'familiar' to me.
 
Cow
ok, will do
mod flagged
 
@AdrianMole honestly the functionality has been set since about 2010 or 2013
it's just been UI changes or bug fixes since then
 
Yeah - OK, 1995 was perhaps a bit of a stretch.
 
Cow
good year though
 
3:44 PM
For excel especially 2010 was a big year IIRC because that was the year they upped the row limit from 65535 to 2.5 million or whatever
moving to 64-bit
 
Goodyear - nice tyres. (Or is it tires, where you're from?)
 
and the introduction of the modern ribbon
 
Can we agree that prompt engineering is not programing related? stackoverflow.com/q/78199799/1841839
 
i mean
if the prompt engineering is being done with code
 
@KevinB their code works their prompt doesnt.
 
3:46 PM
@Cow That's not a very good edit reason.
 
@LindaLawton-DaImTo then it's not a question about programming
 
@KevinB yeah agreed
 
Cow
@VLAZ I mod flagged it, then someone else will take care of it, if it's needed
 
it's also a pretty terrible edit
grammatically incorrect sentences, garbage left at the start and end,
 
@VLAZ They could - at least - have also translated the title. If I see a translation in review, where the title is left non-English, then I'll always vote to leave closed. Title are important.
 
Cow
3:48 PM
the fact that they did it and in the blue box it says: don't
 
Sorry: Titles is important.
 
Cow
hehe
 
which blue box
 
The blue one?
 
@AdrianMole But they translated the "Good morning everybody..." - greetings are also important, right :P
@KevinB Close reason
 
3:49 PM
the close dialog wasn't there when the edit occured
 
Like I said, I don't want to get into user-moderation, but ...
 
nor is it visible from the edit screen
 
Cow
omg this upload thing
gives me stress
just got at least 100 new grey hairs uploading that
 
@Cow But the edit was made before the question was closed, according to the timeline.
... the edit comment isn't especially nice, though.
 
Cow
but the link specifically says you still shouldn't do it
the meta post
oh well
 
3:53 PM
The edit comment to me seems like meta-commentary in response to that message.
 
Cow
lol
 
I usually roll such edits back and leave a comment with a link about not translating other users' posts
 
Cow
that's so toxic
 
Being toxic is not a flaggable offence - it's an Upvote reason.
 
Cow
3:55 PM
rofl wtf
 
I'm hoping the upvote on that comment means the editor saw it and now knows not to do it in the future...
 
De poste habes nicht kommenten.
 
Cow
someone rollback the other one and start some meta drama, then I'll get some wine
 
Je parle d'un autre: celui que j'ai mentionné ici: stackoverflow.com/questions/78186559/…
 
Yeah, everyone knows upvotes = never toxic.
 
4:00 PM
Those toxic upvoters...
 
@Cow I haven't read back far enough to know the full context... any reason not to roll it back?
 
Cow
why are no one toxic to me :(
 
@Cow Love to but, having previously 'engaged' aforementioned high-rep user, I'll refrain and let the mods deal with it.
 
Cow
@Chris I don't want to start a war
 
@Cow Here, have some anthrax tablets!
 
Cow
4:01 PM
I'm a peaceful cow
@AdrianMole rofl
 
@Cow but a war doesn't already exist as far as you know? Rolling that back isn't diving into an existing rollback war or argument or something?
 
Cow
Can i borrow your comment?
 
Trust me - leave it with the mod flag. Engaging there, in any way, will be futile.
 
The one about not translating posts? Go for it. Everything on SO is CC-licensed, right? (Though I've wondered in the past about attributing comments...)
 
Cow
@Chris Doesn't hurt to ask :D
 
4:03 PM
@AdrianMole oh, you've mod flagged it? And there's history? I'll leave it alone, then.
 
Cow
I trust @AdrianMole also, so I'll just leave it to the mods
@Chris I did
 
@Cow fair, but about 80% of that comment quotes another post :-)
It's quotes all the way down
Hrm, looks like that user lives a few hours from me. Maybe I'll drive down and we can discuss it over coffee...
 
Cow
oh man please record it also
I'll pay you!
 
Coming up next, on "The real nerds of Stack Overflow..."
 
Cow
haha
sdc coffee Chris
 
4:06 PM
@Cow brews a cup of jQuery for @Chris
 
"shouldn't" isn't "you will be suspended if you do this"
 
@Cow I didn't. One is un oeuf.
 
groan
 
yay
Eggcelent
 
Is that the French Roblox death noise?
 
5:22 PM
seems like there's been an uptick in French posts lately.
 
Time for Stack Overflow en Français or something
 
Qui a coupe le fromage? (and that's why I don't handle French posts)
 
Cow
@AdrianMole haha
 
5:48 PM
 
6:42 PM
@miken32 I didn't see an existing typo close vote; did you perhaps misclick yours as "needs debugging details"?
 
Cow
@AdrianMole it was fixed btw
 
6:58 PM
@KarlKnechtel I did, before I saw the self-answer
 
@dur Does this question have enough info to be reopened? stackoverflow.com/questions/78195313/…
 
Cow
7:50 PM
@Machavity HAHAHA
 
@Jonas Yeah, that looks like SEO crap to me. I'm reporting it in MetaSmoke.
 
8:12 PM
 
8:36 PM
Very few active reopen votes reviewers today
 
8:51 PM
 
 
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11:09 PM
@halfer except the title is not in english
 
11:47 PM
@Jonas Good spot, thanks. A couple of folks have commented in that regard already
 

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