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12:58 AM
seems like more abuse/trolling/vandalism than usual today...
 
 
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6:28 AM
@Dharman I agree; I don't think we should delete it. I'm going to guess that @DalijaPrasnikar posted that del-pls primarily because she saw it show up in the reopen review queues because someone who wanted to answer it requested that it be reopened. I'm neutralizing the review task, applying a lock, and binning the suggestion in here.
@AdrianMole As nearly goes without saying, what Jeanne said reflects my views on it. But to answer the specific question about the specific answer, that is NAA-flaggable because it is obvious by reading only that answer that the answer is not an answer.
@Adriaan Arguably yes with the original phrasing, but the question is trivially editable to make it not opinion-based. I've gone ahead and done so. In my opinion, in its current form, the question is not too broad. However, I'm not a subject-matter expert in Azure, so it's possible there's something that makes it broad which I am ignorant to.
 
Is this just NAA or spam? There's no link so I'm leaning to the former.
 
@VLAZ That it has been found useful is why a moderator would decide to convert something like that to a comment instead of deleting it. It is not, in my opinion, a valid reason to decline a NAA flag on something that is obviously NAA. Of course, it's unlikely that a custom flag pointing out why it's a NAA and requesting conversion to a comment would be declined, if you prefer that route.
@DanielWiddis It looks like spam to me. Things can be spam without links. Many spammers are not very good at their job (spamming), and they fail to include the links.
@DanielWiddis Actually, in that specific case, there was a link included. The HTML was just mangled, resulting in it not being displayed. You could have seen that if you tried to edit it or used any other way to view the source. The fact that the HTML was mangled, resulting in the link not being displayed, is, incidentally, why SmokeDetector missed it, despite SD having a blacklist on that specific URL.
 
ah! Indeed.
 
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@KevinB It couldn't have been done when the comment was posted. The question was closed long before the posting of that comment. That comment may or may not have something to do with why Dalija saw it and it was brought up in here, though...
@IanCampbell Yes, it's a Valentine's Day celebratory avatar. I was feeling festive, and then remembered the nice avatar you made for me, which I'd never used, so I decided to roll with it. It'll be going away soon, so enjoy it while it lasts. :-)
@Cristik "Please delete this" really doesn't belong in a comment. Actually, none of that belongs in a comment. That looks like someone mistook the comment box for the flag option. Such comments should be flagged as NLN. Then, the question should be flagged (a real close vote, if you have such privileges) in case the commenter really didn't raise one.
@TylerH I've corrected the old-style duplicate closure on that question. If you think that it isn't actually a duplicate of what it was originally closed as a duplicate of, please edit the dupe list. I'm not going to try and do that because it's outside of my expertise. Even though I'm shown as the close voter, it shouldn't be taken as my close vote, only my correcting of the previous close voters' votes due to a system bug. (cc @KarlKnechtel)
 
6:49 AM
@RO - can this be binned? The question received answers that don't make the question suitable for duplicate. Thanks,
 
@Cristik Heh, sure. I was just about to ask, "duplicate of what?"
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@CodyGray yeah, I had retracted the duplicate vote, it was pointing to one of the question links for the comments that looked really suitable as a duplicate candidate, at that time
"Please run this code and provide pointers for me in the right direction. Please fully explain you answer so I can learn from my mistakes as well." - now that's a clear problem statement :)
 
@Cristik 0xDEADBEEF is one of my favorite pointers. Tastes delicious.
 
nice pointer! it took me a few seconds to decode it :)
 
If you give out null pointers to people who ask such questions, they will call you rude and toxic.
 
7:05 AM
well... 0xDEADBEEF can become toxic if kept too much on the grill
 
Hmm, that's true. It's important not to let your pointers get charred.
 
7:31 AM
@CodyGray Yes, I saw it in the reopen queue and I didn't find it useful and that is why I cast a delete vote and del request. I don't vote to delete just about everything ;)
 
8:03 AM
 
@CodyGray Weird, I usually think of people who give out null pointers as [segmentation fault]
 
Segmentation faults are just your operating system's way of being toxic and unhelpful.
 
8:51 AM
@CodyGray FR: "Make OS more welcoming" [Closed - workaround "we have banned the OS for being toxic"]
 
100% certain you should raise a flag in such cases :-)
 
@CodyGray Is a mod flag the best flag to use to flag AI-written content?
 
Yeah, custom mod flag any/all content suspected to be written by AI. If you have some evidence to share, also give that.
 
 
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10:52 AM
@karel How do you know that?
 
@SunderamDubey All content suspected to be written by AI according to the results of checking the answer at demo.aicheatcheck.com.
 
Curious. How did this question get (back) into the reopen queue? Cody did some fiddling about with the old-style duplicate banner but he wouldn't have had to submit it for reopening.
 
It, uh... it was placed into the reopen queue 14 hours ago. (When the first reopen vote, by TylerH, was cast.) I didn't do my fiddlin' until 4 hours ago.
So the bug there is not that it ended up in the reopen review queue, but that my closing it didn't dequeue it.
I'd guess that there's some kind of script that runs periodically to remove them from the queue, and that that hasn't run yet?
 
But you also reopened it, which should have dequeued it, also.
 
You'd think, wouldn't you?
 
11:09 AM
I guess your reopening, closing and editing were all done so rapidly that the system didn't get a chance to understand what you did.
 
I do now have a userscript that does all the motions at once.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Someone is trying to ping you, "Dear moderator". :)
 
But he's not a moderator
 
@CodyGray But he's a dear
 
11:25 AM
OK .. just edit it a bit, then.
 
Oh, well, I don't know. I didn't find any evidence of affiliation or anything. But it might be completely pointless. You have editing privileges, too.
Ehhh... "my previous answer"... I missed what makes this suspicious, @AdrianMole...
 
11:42 AM
I wasn't really saying anything about it being suspicious.
 
That's right: we were both wrong. :-)
 
@Dharman I guess if I was in the same position, I would acknowledge that that question from 2020 would not be the first instance of that topical question in Stack Overflow's history. Yours is a solid answer, but I think you should find the best asked version of the question, transfer your answer there, then make that the canonical. (Though that may stink of abusive power to some onlookers.)
I can appreciate that there is a catastrophic toilet full of bad mysql/i questions on SO.
 
Is the "toilet full" an SI unit of bad question counts?
 
No, it's an imperial unit.
 
hehe
 
11:46 AM
When I am trying to determine canonical, I consider elder pages to break ties. Of course, we should be prioritizing super-clear questions and mcve's are of huge benefit.
 
I tend to have the opposite opinion with respect to MCVEs being of any benefit to a canonical.
 
Many / pages are "toiletful" on SO.
I like MCVEs because they clarify scope especially when plain English is ambiguous or fringe case aguments occur 7 years after the question is asked.
I don't care too much for overly broad/generic canonicals because they often lead to either undercooked answers or mile-long overly considered answers.
 
Seems an equally effective way of dealing with that is to ignore fringe-case arguments that occur 7 years after the question was asked.
 
@CodyGray these debates (if relevant and constructive) can be educational/helpful to researchers.
 
@mickmackusa Debates on Stack Overflow?
 
11:57 AM
I love me a good debate, but I don't think quibbling over interpretational nuances of a question is educational or helpful to anyone, much less researchers. Unless those researchers are researching ways that humans fail to produce value on Q&A sites.
 
I don't endorse all debates. I reserve the right to judge on a case by case basis.
I guess I am not too worried anymore....
 
The only thing debates on SO should produce are closed questions (needs details or clarity) and unexplained downvotes.
 
I am realizing that the whole Stack Exchange growth model will collapse when everyone is using AI to solve their problems. Fewer people will actually visit Stack Exchange sites in the future.
TL;DR = We're all doomed.
 
@mickmackusa You mean because they'll get their answers from AIs trained on content from Stack Exchange?
 
@CodyGray correct
 
12:02 PM
I think there will be more and more need for the SE sites as more and more people use AI to 'solve' their problems.
 
@mickmackusa You mean people create more problems for themselves by using AI to solve their problems?
 
You'll have stuff on travel.SE like, "ChatGPT told me my passport was valid but the guys at the airport wouldn't let me board. Who is correct?"
 
But the content that AI's use will have far lower scores to help them to figure out quality (because fewer people will be visiting/curating).
 
I don't think the models that the AIs are trained on consider scores at all, so you don't have to worry about that.
 
@CodyGray I wouldn't have any idea about that.
 
12:06 PM
Not that the scores would mean much with the campaigns against downvotes and the pity upvotes and voting rings.
 
The AIs will detect voting rings and start raising mod flags on them.
 
And handle the flags ;)
 
Perhaps this dystopian future that I am painting will mean that our current pool of curators will be the last of a dying breed to do the lion's share of curation. Fewer and fewer contributors will be able to ascend to the highest milestones.
 
@JeanneDark Isn't that what happens already?
 
In what year will Stack Overflow have its first AI diamond mod?
 
12:10 PM
@AdrianMole Some mods are human, aren't they? One even has a heart!
 
@mickmackusa Ask Glorfindel when he's going to run.
 
@AdrianMole no doubt, no doubt
 
Handling 10% of the flags on Stack Overflow would likely take more time than handling 100% of the flags on all the other Stack Exchange sites.
 
@CodyGray I suspect this isn't because mods on Stack Overflow work slower than mods on all the other Stack Exchange sites
 
1:25 PM
I seem to have stumbled across Jeanne's brother: stackoverflow.com/users/1336174/douwe-de-haan?tab=profile. He has blue eyes.
 
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5:00 PM
@CodyGray thanks for the help. I think that one can stay around (if I understand correctly which one you're talking about). There were two others: one where I just cast the last delete vote, and stackoverflow.com/questions/21918553 where I just edited to improve the question
this one is not a duplicate, but I think it's NMF
or actually, it seems that, at the time, OP was satisfied by answers that only addressed the string splitting aspect (and not the "keeping UI widgets in sync" aspect
in which case it is presumably still a duplicate, but of something completely different
(and I don't have a list of Java canonicals handy)
@TylerH ?
 
6:22 PM
Is this question off-topic for "Seeking recommendations" and is its answer spam?
 
 
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7:44 PM
@AdrianMole Yes and no (affiliation is disclosed). Probably NAA/LQ though.
 
Just because there's disclosure doesn't mean it's not spam.
 
 
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10:26 PM
Is it ok to ask here about review suggestions?
 
@halt9k Maybe? What do you mean by that? :)
 
10:56 PM
@DanielWiddis Got pair of edit suggestions rejected, but comments on rejects look plain strange to me. Wish someone looked into them and said his opinion or may be clarified to me some rules.
 
@halt9k That suggested edit looks well-intentioned, at least. But I can also see how a reviewer might consider it no actual improvement. That would probably make an interesting Meta.SO discussion.
 
@AdrianMole I mean reason was that there is about 10 duplicates of this question each about different way to distribute and I wanted to split this one to be about specific case.
Have suspicion that reviewers didn't bother to read "MSI" word in question and that's reject reason.
 
That's what I meant be "well-intentioned". One reviewer did actually approve it but it was rejected on a 2:1 verdict. And yes, I saw the MSI content and understand why you added the Windows tag and in the title.
I can't see a diamond moderator that has been active in here in the very recent past (but please don't ping one). If they come across it, I think they can change the review outcome ... but don't rely on them wanting to do that.
 
@AdrianMole But I'm not sure, feels more like tag edits will always be rejects because they not considered large enough edit
Or edit of tags to match better are completely valid and usually should be approved?
 
11:12 PM
I don't know enough about Python to really give an assessment; and, even if I did, I'm not a diamond moderator, so I can't change the review's outcome.
 
Alright, still thanks
 
Interstingly (perhaps), an earlier suggested edit that just changed three "python" into "Python" was approved. That was the absolute minimum change that an edit can be (6 characters).
(Or is it 5 characters?)
 
11:27 PM
@AdrianMole Oh fantastic, now my reject feels even better! Indeed that question have some strange suggestions history. And that's not only reject which is puzzling to me, here another one on superuser: Oh, it was fixed :D
 
Yeah - a moderator did that and could do so on your one, here. But don't do anything to further change that post because that will prevent such moderator action.
 
@AdrianMole Not sure what this means, so more changes from me will revert answer to previous version?
 
No. If you (or anyone else) makes a further (suggested) edit, then mods will no longer be able to override the earlier reviews.
... if they did, it would mess up the timeline and we would enter the realms of alternate realities. :)
 
@AdrianMole alright, I guess will get these details later. Now just happy for one edit fully settled and other about python - may be someone will explain why it's incorrect or will approve. These two rejects were most puzzling.
Actually this one stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/33536425 seem to me requires even more specification into windows binary (closed source) distribution.
There is a lot of duplicates on that subject and better each question be splitted in specific OS and closed\open source, or specifically cross-platform. That is if I understand correcty how popular questions must progress.
 
11:49 PM
The issue of what do do with those 'duplicate' question is a whole different ball game.
 
@AdrianMole got today SO quality poll and it was disappointing not to see in most important suggestions "better answers and questions cleanup mechanisms" "better duplicate questions merge\split" and "instruments to redirect questions about old versions to newer"
all 3 look to me like most important current challenges for SO apart from auto-generated content
 

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