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12:03 AM
@RyanM wordy, but looks good to me
I edited the question to make it a bit more generic and include some likely search terms
And I'd suggest a synonym request for and but I know how expediently those requests get fulfilled around here
 
@IanCampbell Thank the Wizard. It has a "What did you try?" field.
@tripleee Why would you set up a bounty for a question where you feel you're not competent to decide which answer is the best? Either you are setting up the bounty to improve the quality of the site (which you would only do if you had some domain knowledge and could curate the quality of the answer(s)), or you're doing it to reward an existing answer (which, again, you'd only do if you knew it was good), or you're doing it because you're having the same problem and need an answer. In the latter case, the answer to reward with the bounty is the one that helped you the most, same as with an acceptance checkmark.
@miken32 Not very, since almost none of us (as far as I know) go looking at the list. Posting a synonym request on Meta would bring more visibility. It would also allow you to provide some rationale.
Oh look, a plagiarized tag wiki excerpt! That was approved by 2/3 reviews.
 
12:30 AM
@miken32 Psh, I don't know what you're talking about the oldest one is only pending since Jul 25, 2010.
 
The thing is, it's hard to know whether any of those are appropriate unless they're really obvious or you have subject-matter expertise. As long as you're going to effectively require moderators to take care of it (and not SMEs), it would help a lot if some justification were included. Unfortunately, the UI has no way to do that.
 
12:55 AM
Isn't there a minimum rep limit in the tag to vote on the requests? There is to post a synonym request.
(I know it's horribly broken but I'm still holding out hope for a synonymizer badge.)
 
Only pending since Apr 12, 2017 not too bad =p The 2017 ones even have 2 upvotes maybe another 6 years and you'll get the other half way there.
 
1:21 AM
@HenryEcker don't be shy, you're welcome to vote on them!
 
Fun fact: I can vote on them and... nothing special happens you'd just have two +3 pending synonyms :)
 
Yeah, mod votes on synonyms are nothing special. However, mods can just implement the synonym directly, and even merge the tags, so mods are still special, just not with respect to their votes.
(When the score of a synonym reaches +4, regardless of whether a mod was among those voting on it, the synonym automatically takes effect.)
@miken32 Yes, suggesting and voting on tag synonyms requires a score of 5 in the tag. There's a very long-standing feature request on MSE to change this (specifically, to allow users of a certain rep level, demonstrating sufficient understanding of the site/system, to suggest/vote on all synonyms, even those for small/obscure tags where they don't participate). Unfortunately, it's been crickets for years, per usual.
That rep restriction doesn't apply to mods, of course. Which is why generally actioning tag synonyms is a moderator duty. And it's not one that I particularly mind doing (aside from the obvious fact that we've already got so much to do, and this is a low-priority task, so it gets neglected). The only real issue for me is that I often lack sufficient contextual information/knowledge to make the correct decision.
 
 
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2:36 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels While it's horrendously NAA, it doesn't look anything like an attempt at promotion to me
 
 
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5:50 AM
@CodyGray I agree and I regret doing that. The question had gone without a useful answer for a long time and I was hoping to draw attention to it
 
6:21 AM
Is this POB? Or is it good enough formulated to attract objective answers?
 
@Cristik Making that decision can be deftly avoided by marking the question as a duplicate, as I've now done. :-)
The only remaining question is whether to add a question tagged [c] to the duplicate list for fun.
 
@CodyGray the C one is highly upvoted, and considering Javascript was inspired from C... :)
 
7:02 AM
 
^ What am I even looking at?!
 
The same spam that got posted a day or so ago... (ICYMI)
 
7:17 AM
Yes, I did miss it.
I clicked on the FIRE icon, expecting to be able to be able to quickly make judgement. And I was staggered of how much was there.
I open the question and...well, there was certainly a lot of it.
 
We're certainly getting our money's worth.
 
But the cherry on top at the bottom was the tags:
 
@VLAZ Thank you cherry much. That's cherrific. I cherish it.
 
Probably the worst thing is that I kind of empathise with the author. Creating an explanation of different array methods. It's something I'm mulling over how best to present on SO myself. I don't think a Q&A for "what are all array methods and how you use them" is going to survive and not be closed as too broad. But then how do you even split it up? One Q&A per method?
 
7:24 AM
Start with "What are arrays?" and go from there.
 
As you might have noticed, I've not yet really posted anything like this on main. I think it's quite a hard problem.
@CodyGray Yeah... that's also a problem. More generally, if SO is supposed to be about all programming questions, we're really missing on the fundamentals. Like "what is an if statement and how does it work".
 
if I would like to do something based on a condition, then how do I write the code?
 
What is a statement? What is work?
 
Work is what people do who aren't busy making statements.
 
7:32 AM
That's a...let's call it an eclectic collection of information. A lot of it not relevant. Or completely useless.
 
 
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9:00 AM
Looks like @rene's screen ^
 
It's a video?
 
@Adriaan A screenshot of terminal output, which is in a YouTube video. Nice.
 
@VLAZ and unfocussed at that :P
 
Close as needs focus.
 
9:31 AM
How about screenshot in 2 parts? اتصال درگاه پرداخت
 
@Dharman good thing I always carry duct-tape so I can reattach it
 
@CodyGray technically, no. I know how to stream, so I started a live stream on Twitch, had someone else with a YT account capture that on their end and post it so I could take a screenshot of the YT video of my stream. Easy.
 
My grandmother uses her iPad camera to take pictures of photos that people send her on her phone, and then forward those out over email. I'll see if she has any ideas for how you can improve your current approach.
 
Does this need debugging details? An NAA indicates that question and answer are meaningless without the link to a file given by the OP in a comment to the question.
 
It certainly needs less images and more text.
 
9:36 AM
@JeanneDark the link is provided in a comment on the question by the OP though
 
@Dharman reminds me of this comment
 
@Adriaan Which I mentioned
 
@CodyGray (eek, what happened to your avatar? Is that ... a heart blowing a harmonica?)
 
@tripleee It's a heart with an ultrasound probe. Ian Campbell made it for me! Valentine's Day is just around the corner, you know. <3
 
@Dharman It scrolls sideways! Thanks, I hate it.
 
10:39 AM
I don't often need three canned comments for a single post
 
Do you need all three to start with "Welcome to Stack Overflow!"?
 
@CodyGray Which is why I've edited that out of the latter two already.
But the bigger the welcome wagon, the better! /s
 
Now you're just driving the "Please" wagon...
 
So, they've fixed the bug in the reopen queue UI (you can now select a different, site-specific close reason) ... but they replaced it with a horrible blue top-banner, inviting you for a survey the first time you visit any collective-labelled post. :(
 
10:54 AM
I think the screenshot of the day has been determined for the day. So this is not it. But it's also lacking focus.
2
 
How would one manage to create an unfocussed screenshot? Besides using your phone or calling rene
 
Honey, I shrunk the screenshot
 
Maybe that's the real resolution of the screen they program on
2x3 pixels
 
11:12 AM
@DalijaPrasnikar @CodyGray I don't know about this one. It looks useful. Do we really want to delete it?
 
11:24 AM
So, digging up a conversation that happened a few days back (and at other times, too), things that are not obviously not answers shouldn't be flagged as NAA. Not even if comments can explain. Presumably, then, a post like this could/should be mod-flagged, is not? ...
 
Is this too broad or POB? (NATO)
 
... Or, as it is currently in the LQA queue, would it be OK to post a review-pls request in here, even though it probably shouldn't be in that queue? Obviously, a del-pls request would be invalid, with a score of +10.
 
@AdrianMole 12 upvotes...
But yeah - probably modflag. NAA would probably be rejected. Considering TWELVE people thought this was enough of an answer and useful to upvote it.
 
@VLAZ Even if all LQA reviewers give that a "Recommend delete", it will still need a moderator to actually delete it.
Apparently, I'm not supposed to read comments when I'm reviewing a post but, in that case, I was a bit naughty and did read the comment.
</snark>
 
The Anti-Comment Reading Rapid Response Team has been dispatched to your location. Please stand by.
 
11:29 AM
@AdrianMole "Not even if comments can explain." If a comment is necessary to explain it, it's not obvious enough for NAA/VLQ...
 
Just in case anyone else want to be a naughty reviewer, here it is in LQA.
 
it could be converted to a comment by a mod
 
@Dharman I don't see the value. The answer was posted by a maintainer. Anything of value in the answer should be on top of the readme file in the GitHub repo. It definitely does not belong here.
 
12:35 PM
 
12:46 PM
Is this acceptable? Especially the link-only answer here; that points to what appears to be an official neo4j answer with the same OP posting the same question (including the same grammatical mistakes and similar username) and the answerer leaving an answer there, just link-dumping it here.
If it'd be another SE site, this would not be allowed (cross-posting), but what about this?
 
I don't see how it's programming related
 
1:02 PM
OK, I'm getting uncomfortable about these questions. See my comments under it. There is nothing directly wrong with the questions, except 1. they are unclear as to what should happen 2. are pretty much exactly the same but posted by different 1-rep users at different points in time.
Not sure there is anything that can be done here. But the fact that the questions are the same feels wrong.
 
@VLAZ Might be students in the same class or bootcamp encouraged to post any question on SO?
 
^Would be my thought. and all of them either unwilling or unable to articulate more of a question in English.
 
One was posted in 2021.
Two this year.
These are just the ones I know of.
 
MOOC?
 
Could be a online class that has no fixed schedule
 
1:04 PM
@VLAZ It could be a class. You can mod flag one and include links to the others to have a mod check it out for sockpuppetry.
 
@Adriaan See, I'd understand that. However, the questions are literally all asking the same thing. The same text. The same capitalisation - all three omit the capital at the start of the sentence. The code is also exactly the same. The title is the same. With extremely minor variations: two of the titles just differ in "javascript" vs "JavaScript". The third one says "JavasScript". The code is also exactly the same, albeit formatted differently (block, inline, is block + no formatting)
 
It could be a question from the course copy-pasted?
 
@VLAZ just flag for a mod, so they can at least annotate the accounts in case this happens again / more often.
 
1:55 PM
@cigien Hmm. A small part of me might argue that's not even a duplicate, because nowhere in the linked target (or the other one, indirectly linked) is there any mention of an unimplemented function. The answers on the one you want deleted explicitly cover that issue.
... but I'm not going to challenge the closure.
 
@AdrianMole define "small". Just your little toe, or the complete right arm?
 
Not as big as "large" but larger than "tiny". :)
 
Fair point, let me check for a closer duplicate.
 
@cigien I'm really tempted to reopen that Q. The dupe target doesn't say anything about how the function is actually not evaluated
 
Here's one that talks explicitly about not calling the function inside sizeof stackoverflow.com/questions/50754232 It's been closed with the same target though.
@NathanOliver The accepted answer on the duplicate target explicitly mentions that. Do you mean the question doesn't mention it?
 
2:03 PM
@cigien I missed that part of the answer somehow. I did add another dupe target as well. Do we really need the Q&A deleted? IMHO it's a good quality sign post
 
^ And has some good quality answers.
 
I pasted the question into a search engine, and the dupe target was one of the first hits, so I'm not sure how useful a signpost it is. But if you feel it's worth keeping around, go ahead and bin the request. I'll retract my del-vote.
 
@cigien Thanks. I do want to keep it.
 
Sounds good, it did pick up another del-vote (presumably) because of my request. Sorry about that.
 
No worries
 
2:09 PM
How do you feel about stackoverflow.com/questions/50754232? Pasting that into a search engine yields the target as well.
 
2:35 PM
@Adriaan yeah, the accept is ... weird. You flag for a mod?
 
@rene sì
 
ok
 
it's almost as weird as the Swedish text. It's rude within the context of Stack Overflow, but it's a rather polite way of telling someone off within the realm of possibilities within Swedish vocabulary
 
Probably just confused on how the accept feature works
 
Given the OP is from Sweden, they might be putting a voice to their frustration. The "answer" addresses the person that commented.
 
2:42 PM
@Adriaan It's a bit suspicious still. The question is from months ago. OP hasn't done anything (according to the actions tab). Yes, they'd get a notification when an answer is posted, however, what are the chances OP was just hanging around SO four months after posting the question at exactly the same time the answer was posted?
 
@VLAZ already modflagged (and already helpful)
 
Great
 
Daily DDoS? Maintenance
That was quick maintenance
 
2:58 PM
Luncheon meat?
 
@mousetail spam
 
@mousetail See the explanation: "This looks for particular patterns of non-English / non-human text such as hashes."
 
Happy Friday
 
There seems to be a lot of span tags (span spam?) in this answer and it looks very similar to the earlier one. Is it an attempt to fix that earlier one? Possibly same person who forgot their original password?
 
@AdrianMole The question asks for a bunch of spans.
 
But, in at least one of the answers, there appears to be one or more mismatches between <span> and </span> tags.
 
Also, I assume that if you follow the instructions, you'd get to a single solution. So, multiple answers being similar is to be expected.
See, here I'd say that the question is completely garbage. Maybe the user forgot their login. Or not. We can't really judge based on the content, since it's going to be pretty much the same anyway. Could also be two different people trying to offer the solution to this homework task.
 
4:01 PM
> Freecodecamp Lern Typography by
why would an additional span be needed for alignment
spans are inline
 
@KevinB You can fix anything by hitting it with a spanner. Team Fortress 2 taught us that
 
Truth. It's how I fixed my coffee this morning.
 
5:05 PM
Is this on topic?
 
depends on whether or not the author/creator can provide an answer before it's nuked
 
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine Not really. The history of an acronym isn't about programming
 
@Dharman I could see it worthy of a historical lock. It's a tricky situation since the question is based on an incorrect premise (the library was actually not abandoned at the time of asking). But it's also essentially a library recommendation request. It should certainly remain closed since it's either opinion-based, not reproducible, or an off-site resource recommendation request.
@Dharman I don't know how often a redux user might have this problem/question so I'm not sure how useful it is to keep around, but if the OP is right that 1 million people download the NPM package weekly, then it's probably worth keeping around the advice of what appears to be the parent technology's maintainer (or one of them) on whether to use that product or a different one.
 
it was last updated 2 months ago
 
@Machavity Makes sense - that's what I was thinking, just needed to make sure.
 
5:12 PM
and, still downloaded more than a million times a week
 
@KevinB you may know a lot more than me about react redux. Do you think as a JavaScript SME that it's worth keeping around?
 
i don't know anything about redux
:shrug:
i don't see any harm in keeping it as a historical lock
It's effectively an official response to a question about it, until the maintainer comes along and says the response is wrong or no longer relevant.. it's probably fine locked and visible
Now that it's closed, this can't be done:
> This answer isn't even close to presenting a full picture of comparison. It is rather an advert for RTK query. While mark is right about the daily use cases part, knowing what Redux Saga can do is also important. And I think the original question meant to ask about Redux saga which is not answered. I will write a brief about benefits soon
 
5:32 PM
@KevinB The author could edit the existing answer to add more information about what it can do
There's already a section on that in said answer... it's just very short
 
 
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6:40 PM
@CodyGray I see that you've finally decided to get your echo-Cody-ogram. Hopefully that's just to celebrate Valentine's day and not because you have a broken heart.
 
Cody is just showing off he has a heart. Yes, the one from the glass jar on his desk.
 
7:02 PM
Can a comment like "SO is a programming Q&A platform and this question is not about programming. What topics can I ask about here? Please delete this." be considered unfriendly? I'm asking about the last sentence in the comment.
"Please delete this" is really unwelcoming, however the rest of the comment is spot-on
 
7:43 PM
@Machavity @mickmackusa and other PHP devs. Regarding this comment: stackoverflow.com/questions/64293916/… What should I do? Should the questions be merged? That more popular one has answers that are just copied from the internet and I thought the other question has better title and chances for canonical.
 
8:14 PM
@Dharman It's hard to say. This Q seems to rank best in Google
So... do we dupe and merge all the things?
 
It uses old mysql_* API
 
I get that, but what I'm saying is that's a large rabbit hole to go down. There's a ton of old posts that use mysql_ stuff. That would be a herculean effort to clean up
 
What, you mean you mods aren't bored, twiddling your thumbs with nothing to do?! Inconceivable
 
@TylerH We're also slowly building up a resistance to iocane powder
5
 
Yeah, so maybe we should not review all linked questions but Nigel might be right that my answer would see more traffic on the more popular question
I hammered this one
 
8:33 PM
 
👐
 
Several cover versions, but that's the original.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/13987708 Any chance of getting this a) reclosed under the new system; b) not including the link to the obviously-POB question that currently has 7 delete votes sitting on it?
(there are a few more blocking duplicates)
 
@KarlKnechtel Sure, I can help with that. Looks like it should just be a dupe of the other current target? The "how to" one?
oh, well no that one is deleted...
 
yes, that was my - oh
yam it
surely there's a proper canonical for something like that, though?
 
8:45 PM
Looks like maybe it is the canonical now
Let's look a little bit
 
I see 3 duplicates of the "best xml parser" question in stackoverflow.com/questions/linked/373833?lq=1
 
which one is the best tho
 
well, for one thing, I don't think all those marked duplicates are the same question
 
Yeah, this one is not asking for 'best XML conversion program' like many of the others or just 'how to read it' like many of them
it's asking how to do a specific action with an XML file as input
 
I think a lot of people ask that, because they don't understand that No Really, You Want An XML Parser For This
 
8:47 PM
At the very least it is not a duplicate of the two questions it was closed as a dupe of under the old system (one is a tool recommendation request, the other is deleted), so it should be reopened
 
that leaves the other two, then
 
I've also edited the question in... question... to reflect what it's actually asking
 
much appreciated
 
It may be a duplicate of this canonical stackoverflow.com/questions/6768544/…
Which covers the same language/techs and error message
 
9:20 PM
wow, an actual bona-fide troll? on stack overflow?
(why would a "member since today" be blacklisted, though?)
good lord, it actually got a code-only answer from another noob that only fixes half the problems
 
@KarlKnechtel The previous SD was an R/A answer that they posted.
 
@KarlKnechtel Maybe because he was engaged in trolling 20 mins ago?
 
9:38 PM
How can I report a domain to Smokey?
 
@Machavity heh
 
@blackgreen Pretty sure you need to use the watch command: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/wiki/Commands#wiki-wrapper
@blackgreen Woops, blacklist-website is for just a website.
 
@NathanOliver thanks, I managed to launch a valid command on sobotics, however I don't have the privileges
 
same difference
 
hmm, I though mods were auto added. Might need to pop into CharcoalHQ
 
9:53 PM
nope, can't launch the command from charcoalHQ either
as a matter of fact, I can blacklist users with addblu
but apparently not websites
 
You need special SD privileges to do a watch command. Do you have them? What is your error message? (I.e. we need debugging details.)
 
blackgreen isn't a blacklist manager smokey did create a PR though (well 2 PRs). I think mods are only automatically grated reviewer privileges with their diamonds?
 
Also, you have to add backslashes and things to a website: e.g., watch www\.blackgreen\.com.
 
Anyway, looks like Smokey has done what you asked it to do ....
 
10:10 PM
@AdrianMole every time I see something like this I can't help but have snarky thoughts :/
like "ah, yes, we must guard against the risk of accidentally filtering innocuous text like wwwablackgreenzcom"
but on the other hand, I absolutely relate to the desire to Get It Right
 
I guess it's all about regexes.
 
it's the principle of the matter tho
it's a regex so must use \ to have it mean what we intended it to even though it won't matter except when it does
 
Smokey doesn't have principles. Maybe there's a principal, though ... dunno.
 
@AdrianMole this is why I stay away from the [regex] tag
although to my defense, I did launch a syntactically valid command. Except I don't have the privilege
 
Regular expressions are anything but regular.
 
10:15 PM
@halfer wrong link?
Got closed now anyway, so marking complete
 
@KarlKnechtel Smokey has a lot of patterns that are tested. Also partial matches are what we're looking for since watching the pattern for a.com should also notify us of a.com/spammy/link appearing. Adding a pattern like a\.com is fine for this task while a.com would match a completely unrelated site abcompany.com/valid/link
 
10:37 PM
mm
it isn't adding word boundaries or anything implicitly, fair
 
11:06 PM
@TylerH Looks like the right one (it was old, I should have marked as NATO). Anyway, all good
 
@halfer I edited the link. You originally had linked the answer to that question.
 
11:27 PM
@HenryEcker Aha, thanks! :=)
 
11:43 PM
@NathanOliver It's a good thing diamonds don't auto-grant watch list privileges. I would have caused a lot of mess for people to clean up.
 
There is a substantially steeper learning curve for those than appears obvious at first look.
 

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