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1:19 AM
@RyanM Thanks :)
 
 
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6:05 AM
@tripleee am going with spam flag.. The question is video file downloading in java particularly android app. That code has nothing to do with it
 
yeah, there's a lot of domains associated with this software and basically all of them have participated in spam
 
 
 
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8:00 AM
@Cristik I don't know about that... Seems like just adding "in Python" would be trivially sufficient.
@mickmackusa Haha. I'm not familiar with the movie reference, unfortunately, but I'm at least glad that me calling out people for mistakes is not taken with a sour note. It is not my intention. A room like this is a tricky thing, and while it has a very useful purpose, it also needs to be respected for the weapon that it is.
@mickmackusa Hmm. That looks like a good example of mickmackusa complaining about one of his posts getting a downvote.
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8:18 AM
@KarlKnechtel I ended up voting to close as lacking debugging details; it was subsequently deleted by the OP
 
KGG
8:30 AM
@mickmackusa fixed :P although i would probably change the variables to have more substance for easier reading instead of $a, $b :)
 
@KGG It doesn't look like you left a comment there explaining the downvote. What, exactly, did you "fix"? Do you mean that you upvoted a post merely because someone was complaining about a downvote? That's not something you (or anyone) should do. Do you have specific knowledge about the subject area and can vouch for the helpfulness and/or correctness of the code in that answer? If not, then you shouldn't be voting it up (or voting on it at all).
 
KGG
His sorting approach looked neat, but yeah I have no honest opinion on the matter, reversed. Lesson learnt
 
this might not be adequately covered in the room FAQ, but we need to be extremely careful to not have SOCVR look like a voting ring; this is why we also have rules against requesting close votes (or etc) on questions where you are somehow involved
 
KGG
Yeah I agree, i felt dumb after doing that :P
 
no worries; important lesson learned
 
8:50 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (“do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil”)
 
9:09 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (upon request)
 
@KGG In the future, please do not raise moderator flags on a chat message when you want to retract the request in this room. Chat messages are handled by moderators, not room owners. (I know it can be kind of confusing because some moderators are also room owners in this room, but not all of them are.) It just so happens that this is covered in the room FAQ.
What you should do instead of raising a mod flag is to ping one of the room owners by writing a second message in this room and including a link to the message you want to retract.
 
KGG
Appreciate it thank you, makes sense.
 
To be exact, ping the last active room owner (see the list of room owners).
 
@KGG Sure, no problem. Please don't feel like you're being attacked. It takes some time to learn the rules for a new place. Thank you for being willing to learn and improve!
@JeanneDark Follow-up question: how do I tell who is the last one that was active? Follow-up follow-up question: how do I avoid the pathological case where the last-active room owner is the one who is least likely to be active next, because they stepped away or went to sleep? :-)
 
KGG
9:14 AM
@CodyGray No on the contrary, I love being part of the community, and I really appreciate the feedback, and life is all about learning, we all start somewhere :)
 
@CodyGray For example, they moved chat messages to the graveyard.
 
9:58 AM
@halfer duplicate of what? I see no relevant comments
 
10:25 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/75220081/… You guys do have a canonical for this, don't you?
 
10:58 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (Invalid request: no duplicate target indicated. Feel free to resubmit as appropriate.)
 
11:31 AM
When you dont want someone to edit your post
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11:54 AM
@user56700 you can use flag for moderator attention for this. Also, cv-pls is for questions.
 
oh, sorry about that, I did flag it for moderator :)
 
12:07 PM
@tripleee Thanks, I must have linked the wrong question
 
12:30 PM
 
12:50 PM
I found an interesting question stackoverflow.com/q/2985174/1839439 They don't ask them like that anymore
 
@Dharman Things are not so black or white any more.
 
@VLAZ they should write black text on green background
 
:-)
 
It seems that a user with only 1 rep managed to create a new tag . Strange.
 
It looks like naa
 
@JeanneDark I don't think they created it. It has 3.6k watchers. Probably one of those zombie tags that wasn't removed by the system
 
thanks
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/75216832/… any SME who can reduce the rantyness of that post?
 
 
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2:33 PM
@TylerH @Adriaan binning this since OP edited it to make it English (and it was fully closed and then reopened anyway).
@Adriaan I can try to take a look in a bit
 
2:55 PM
@TylerH thanks
@TylerH thanks; OP's a bit ranty in the question itself and had several messages picked up by Queen for being rude against "moderators" (the usual trash talk about how bad they are in rude words)
 
Yeah, I am starting with their first question from 20 hours ago that they linked from the one you shared
I suspect to fully understand the new one I'll need to fully understand the first one
 
3:12 PM
@Adriaan upon further review, I don't think this is worth editing/saving. I think it's OP going down a pointless rabbit hole to achieve the same thing their first question is asking. But now that I've edited the first question to be focused, it has a much better chance of getting OP the help they need
I say just let the -5 one Roomba
 
3:25 PM
@Adriaan "Queen"?
 
@KarlKnechtel Queen
 
@M-- never mind MCVE; if I understood the attempt at English properly (and correctly filled in missing jargon), the question is essentially "how do I do inverse kinematics?" which is way too broad
 
long time no see folks - woof woof :p
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tosses scooby snack
 
woof woof woof woof!
 
3:36 PM
🚽
 
How's the new year treating you @JonClements?
 
@NathanOliver is "interestingly" a valid answer? :p
 
Sure, but if you want to write a good answer you should add more detail ;)
 
@JonClements \o/
 
@TylerH o/
 
3:48 PM
 
5:04 PM
stackoverflow.com/a/75220734/4826457 the code here contains a question.. clearly NAA?
I suspect mod misclicked?
 
impossible
 
@SurajRao The parent question also has a variable $str that contains the same text at the start of that answer.
 
:facepalm:
my bad
 
I was entirely in your camp, too. I was reaching for my pitchfork before I scrolled up to the question and saw the same text.
 
@SurajRao FWIW, virtually the same conversation was had in the mod room. I think this observation sums it up nicely
> That's an unfortunate use of sample text
 
5:11 PM
it certainly doesn't look like a good or correct answer, but.
 
ah, I see the approach. it just has some weird variable names, and uses a constant 10 instead of 52 for some reason
oh, it's splitting every 10 words
(with the regex at the top. I don't use php so I have to kinda just infer things)
but then, the question does say both "52 words" and "52 characters". what a mess. should have been closed at the time
 
I did find some good dupe targets
(although for CSS, not PHP)
I can't mjolnir since I added the CSS tag (Given OP accepting a CSS answer as the solution), but I should still be able to edit the dupes list to add the second one if it is closed as a duplicate of either one
 
terrible, unclear question
 
M--
5:58 PM
@KGG OP edited their question and added the code; is this still a valid CV reason?
 
6:52 PM
 
if a NAA flag was handled due to an edit can we use a VQL flag instead?
 
@Ethan Sounds backwards. VLQ flags are marked helpful upon edit. NAA flags remain until handled (queue or mod). But, yes, you can raise the other if one was already handled
 
Thanks. Im blind I should of read the text that says retract flag instead of flag post
 
7:36 PM
@jmoerdyk Is that R/A?
 
Might as well be, according to SD it is a second offense with adding garbage instead of an explanation
 
8:17 PM
@CodyGray Now, now. We don't talk about users in this room only content. My point is that there is no excuse for anyone to downvote a correct, explained, demo'ed answer which adds to new insight the page. If readers don't personally find anything helpful, fine, don't vote either way. Good content with a negative score misleads and confuses researchers.
 
i mean
the answer could be incorrect
 
I have already been confused by a answer which looks correct, but was no-comment downvoted. I should use it? Why?
 
Why are we to assume the votes were wrong?
 
@KevinB then surely that dispute can be commented. The post showed a self-evident amount of effort.
@KevinB If the downvote is "right", it is unclear to everyone why it is right.
 
that's fine
if someone else finds it to be a good answer, they can upvote it
 
8:20 PM
@mickmackusa well, chatGPT posts look like a lot of effort went into it
they're grammatically perfect, there's explanation, there's code
 
@KevinB I disagree -- on a site which has a goal of informing people.
 
Mick isn't an AI. I think.
 
my point is that a reasonable-looking post isn't per-se a reason to cast or not cast a vote
 
I see no value in putting extra scrutiny on downvotes, when they're here to express the opposite of an upvote when we just assume upvotes are all for good intent
 
@blackgreen If content is incorrect and readers shouldn't use it, but it looks correctish, then surely an informative comment would be well placed.
 
8:22 PM
If teh post is useful, it will over time acrue upvotes
 
^ yeah, this
 
@KevinB I am not arguing all sides of the feature. I don't expect any of my posts to be positively scored. It is the shameful, purposelessness of voting good content into a negative score that damages the researcher experience.
 
Most people don't rob banks. Doesn't mean we should make banks less secure.
 
@KevinB That's the thing. It is a highly specific post that is not likely to help more than the OP and probably won't attract many visitors. Plus, it would take a thoughtful curator to acknowledge that there is nothing wrong with the post to bother neutralizing the score. In all of the time leading up to that day, unknowing researchers will doubt the content because of the negative score.
 
i mean
if it's not going to be useful to many future visitors..
why do we want it in our repository
 
8:30 PM
 
I just come in and see that Adrian said that most people dont rob banks with no context
 
Stack Overflow Cash Vault Raiders
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lol
 
Stack overflow means fat stacks of cash everywhere
 
8:48 PM
just means your buffer is too small
 
9:03 PM
@AdrianMole ah yes, I love those "criminals don't follow the laws" arguers :-)
 
@KevinB Okay, if SO is going to revert to that old close vote reason of too specialized / not helpful to general public, fine. But until that day, there is no sense in no-comment downvoting answers on that grounds.
 
we don't need to close it for it to go away
it not attracting upvotes will be enough
 
9:20 PM
@KGG $a and $b are sensible, general-use variable names in PHP when calling sorting or filtering functions with a closure. This infers that the the values of $a and $b can not be guaranteed to relate to two specific values fed into the function.
@KevinB if this were the accepted strategy, then 1. adding an informative comment would ensure that the message was clear and 2. All answers would be downvoted in the same fashion at the same time.
 
i mean
it's the current way things work, so
not quite sure what you mean by if
 
This way, researchers would understand that the score was not about answer quality, but some nuanced curation strategy.
 
for all we know the op downvoted it because they liked their own solution better, then the other is just driveby. doesn't really change anything, aside from your rep and the rep of the voters.
 
I can speak for myself when I say that no-comment downvotes never provoke me to remove a correct, explained answer.
@KevinB it doesn't matter who voted. The why is what is missing. Sometimes it is super obvious why a post is negatively scores. When it is not obvious to novice researchers, then SO has a content problem.
 
it definitely has a content problem
 
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