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12:53 AM
Not About Programming; What do I do now? - MSO FAQ [Draft] @RyanM @OlegValteriswithUkraine I've literally done nothing but putting almost all Technology and Science sites into a list. But there's a framework if anyone has some time or knows anyone who would be interested it's now live.
 
1:43 AM
@HenryEcker Oh boy, I forgot how many of those there are...
I'll let that simmer in the back of my head a bit
I think one thing would be to group them, somehow.
Also TeX... I never know where the boundary is on TeX questions.
 
1:56 AM
Starting to toy around with what it might look like, wrote a couple of them.
 
Yeah... There's a ton. It is also part of the reason I went with /sites originally. It may be nice organisationally to have several answers. Like but Math/Data Science together, OSes together, etc.
Ah I see you've already done something like that :)
 
Does anyone here use DarkReader? I'm getting inconsistent results with the voting button highlighting. Sometimes it's ok, but mostly it's not ok. To clarify, I've upvoted both questions, and both are on MSO. Reloading the page enough makes it look like the second one, but sometimes it takes several reloads. I'm having these results on multiple sites.
 
Yeah, that sounds familiar.
I also have been getting different results in FF and Chrome lately.
 
Actually, I just switched to Vivaldi over the weekend. It's very customizable, so it's fun to muck around with it.
 
2:12 AM
@HenryEcker Yeah, I think I want to focus on good descriptions for ones that I perceive are common targets, and then maybe dump some of the others into a list (cough all the cryptocurrency sites cough)
oh heck, bitcoin.SE doesn't allow programming questions, but ethereum.SE does?!
This list is a fun game of "cryptocurrency or CMS?"
and Monero.SE hasn't even filled out their on-topic page. Amazing.
they seem to have programming questions?
Neither have, like, half of them. Yay cryptocurrency sites.
I think we'll probably also want guidance for stuff like Excel formulas
Trouble is I'm not super confident about that guidance...
Also Apple.SE doesn't fit under either desktop or mobile. So inconvenient :-p
 
2:36 AM
Personally, I'd be happy if we just figured out how to group the sites and which ones we want to name. Post it on MSO make it a wiki and let everyone else who knows add meaningful information.
I'm really starting to hate this pattern of I have no idea what the site is about I go to /help/on-topic and it basically says it doesn't know what the site is about either...
I'm primarily upvoting your answers so they're above the admin stuff at the bottom. (Not that they're not great and all)
 
@HenryEcker part of me was tempted to leave off any site that failed to fill that out :-p
Also my kingdom for anchors in SO Markdown.
I really want to link subparts of answers.
 
2:52 AM
Joomla left in a "[TO-DO] Link to meta Topic with Examples of Good and Bad Questions for each category." and a "[TO-DO] Link to meta Topic with Examples of "Fix-my-code/Work for free" questions."
 
heh. but it's really thorough, so I forgive them.
 
I'm really tempted to create an account there and complain about it on their meta
 
I'm unsurprised that it's thorough, given that mickmackusa is a mod there.
 
Yeah I thought the same thing
 
if you want it fixed, shoot mickmackusa a ping :-p it's proooobably possible to put it in <!-- ---> comments, but I've never tried editing those pages.
 
2:56 AM
Do arduino and raspberry pi go under "specific technologies" or do they get their own section in "hardware"?
 
uhhhh. probably hardware?
so far all the technologies are software.
 
Yeah. That's what I thought too
Do any of Sitecore, Joomla, ExpressionEngine, or CiviCRM have enough traffic to warrant being named in the list? Or should they go in a bulk thing like the crypto/blockchain technologies?
I guess there's Drupal and SharePoint too.
I honestly have no real understanding of what most of those things are btw =/
 
I'd stick them under a heading for CMSes, I think.
errr. I guess CivicCRM is a CRM, not a CMS?
...well, either way, probably a bulk thing.
I see Joomla stuff from time to time but that might be because of mickmackusa
WordPress probably goes in the same section.
And Drupal. And Magento.
"If you have a question that should be answered with plugin recommendations that are virtually indistinguishable from spam, post your question on Magento.SE."
...maybe we can workshop that text a bit.
(but seriously, I hate reviewing Magento.SE posts in Charcoal. I cannot tell half the time.)
 
3:16 AM
Craft CMS is on the CMS list too
 
 
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7:38 AM
NAA of the day:
> Your way of asking is wrong. you should learn to use stackoverflow. This link works for now
>
> [link to a tutorial]
Yes, well, your way of answering is wrong.
 
8:23 AM
That 10 year anniversary banner is...a little sad ^^; i.stack.imgur.com/ev21Z.png
The front page is all Community bumps, plus one NAA.
 
Just Community shows up at the birthday party. Nobody else, not even Windows Phone
 
:'(
 
Look at it on the bright side: more cake for Community!
 
:D
 
8:40 AM
 
oh my goodness
 
8:50 AM
I know of only one person who had a Windows Phone. And the only reason he had it was it was work issued. And he worked for Nokia (but not on phones) who were only doing Windows Phones at the time.
 
Windows phone was bad?
 
To be honest, I'm not sure why they were never really popular. Seemed Apple + Android had market dominance and anything else had trouble staying afloat. But shouldn't have been that hard for Microsoft to keep a market share. But they didn't. Not sure what exactly contributed to that, though.
 
But what about prices?
 
9:09 AM
I can't remember what the price of the phone was. I would assume comparable to regular Android phones (not high end but also not the cheapest options).
 
@manro nothing of the sort (in fact, they were produced by Nokia), but it's nearly impossible to compete with Apple and various Android-based manufacturers like Samsung or Sony. WP offered nothing that would make consumers want to switch to it, so a declined interest simply caused MS to consider it not worth investments, and they eventually pulled the plug
 
9:25 AM
I tried one (admittedly, not as a daily device).
The app ecosystem was bad. The device itself was pretty decent.
 
10:14 AM
@RyanM no surprise given that the establiahed Android apps ecosystem would be incompatible, I presume
My take on that is that MS was simlly half a decade too late to the train
 
 
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12:56 PM
Today in "comments flagged as 'Harassment, bigotry, or abuse":
if you just need last item you can you Array.pop() — Badri Derakhshan Jun 7, 2020 at 6:54
I swear people just press random buttons.
 
 
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2:15 PM
@RyanM It's clearly discriminating against other array methods.
It's bigoted towards .pop(). Absolutely disgusting.
 
@VLAZ I would like to decline this chat message.
 
 
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3:46 PM
@RyanM it's clearly abusive - it shuns the prototype
 
4:39 PM
Question: "how to parse JSON file with GSON" (which is, notably, a Java library) Answer: A bunch of assembly code with most of it commented out
 
5:16 PM
The fact that the barely functional stacks editor is out there being used and forced on newcomers when it is in your own words in an alpha phase is frankly awful. — Nick stands with Ukraine 27 secs ago
 
Oh nice, now you've quoted it I can effectively upvote my own comment :p
 
as if anything lately wasn't released in an alpha stage, @NickstandswithUkraine :)
 
5:30 PM
Occasionally stuff even graduates to beta!
Like dark mode and high contrast.
 
and sometimes I am not sure if beta is not actually alpha (like the high contrast theme)
 
Yeah, high contrast did not strike me as something that had been tested...at all.
 
wait, wait... it's been tested! By us
 
I mean before the "beta" release.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine As one of the more prolific bug reporters for the high contrast theme - I confirm
 
5:37 PM
@RyanM ofc :) but I couldn't resist
@VLAZ yea, I remember that :)
 
had they opened, oh, I don't know, a question page, they'd have noticed some problems.
 
pff, who needs that complexity? just write it, commit, and push, that's all that's needed
 
To be quite honest, this one pisses me off: All_links_are_underlined in high contrast mode because they didn't even bother marking it [status-declined] or [status-bydesign] or anything. There is a bit of a justification for "yeah, we did it like that" but not really looking at the big picture.
Because, ironically enough, it's not a problem of each individual thing being underlined. It's the compound effect of it all which makes it seem broken.
I still can't get over the fact that the X button for closing a dialog is underlined. And that's somehow OK.
 
@VLAZ I suspect some staff members with less Meta experience aren't used to editing status tags onto questions. I can mark it [status-bydesign] if you'd like ;-)
 
You could but I prefer it like that. Shows more indifference to the whole issue.
And indifference is indeed what I think the attitude is. The top bar change they did around the end of March also "broke" some of the underlining. Clearly the underlines are not a priority if that's the case. Either high contrast wasn't tested or nobody was bothered about the oh so crucial accessibility feature which is random underlines everywhere.
 
 
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8:05 PM
@Braiam why did you get suspended on the MSE? What did you do? What is fair or unfair?
 
@bad_coder I presume, for this (the last known action taken)
 
@bad_coder we're not going to discuss suspensions here. Take it to the ministry if you can't resist the urge.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine NO! They can't suspend Braiam. It is not fair to suspend Braiam!
 
last warning ... drop it
 
@rene sorry I hit enter on the 2nd post before seeing your reply.
 
8:13 PM
@bad_coder MSE?
 
🚽
 
I'm just noticing that now
 
9 messages moved from SO Close Vote Reviewers
 
@bad_coder For, and I'm quoting here "Some of your recent interactions with other community members have violated our Code of Conduct. We get it; anyone who's ever tried to engage with others online has probably been tempted to lash out at someone else"
 
🎉
 
8:29 PM
@Braiam ok the usual "canned comment".
@Braiam strange, the post that Oleg linked about the burninations I actually saw the 2 bumps but didn't understand what that was all about...
 
BTW, and this is funny, the CoC is used against users for stuff not codified on the CoC
 
@Braiam I suppose somewhere there was an exchange of comments and the mods didn't like the sound of it.
 
@bad_coder I rarely comment when I edit, I just edit
If someone doesn't like my edits they can edit
If I find the same post again, I would edit it again, but most likely just revert since I usually remember what I edited.
 
@Braiam I don't try making sense to the criteria used on MSE for suspensions, I see comments I find very offensive and NLN flags get declined on them. I've also seen users get suspended for comments that would just have been deleted without consequence elsewhere...
It's erratic, there's not much sense to it over on that site.
 
But whatever.
 
8:34 PM
@Braiam yeah, my thoughts exactly: whatever.
 
9:00 PM
from the today's odd comments edition:
Can you tag dmitry — Optimus 5 mins ago
 
Trying to contact the author of the other answer?
Also dang that had 6 NAA flags on it already.
At some point that ought to just delete the answer like LQA review does.
 
also this...
Great! Nice to hear that, @DebashisDey. Please don't forget to mark my answer as accepted once it is validated :) — Dmitry Kravtsov Jan 8 at 14:38
ugh
 
Yeah, they wanted someone to notify the author of the other answer so that they can get their question answered.
 
oh because they can only comment on their post
 
And right as I click to delete two comments, I see one change to say "Deleted by Oleg" and the other change to say "Deleted by Ryan". :-)
Yup.
 
9:04 PM
well at least they understand how @mentions work, normally people just @mention away in random places and hope it works
(spoilers: it usually does not)
 
well, can't have you have all the fun, @CodyGray :)
 
Can I have at least some of it? Once in a while?
 
although someone once @mentioned me in an NAA and it worked because it get reported in SOBotics...
 
Yeah, more often than not, it does work in strange and unexpected ways
 
@CodyGray That depends, are plagiarism flags your idea of fun?
 
9:05 PM
Nothing fun about plagiarism.
 
@CodyGray FFIW'd, sorry, I'll leave you some next time :)
 
The part at the end where you suspend them for a while is rather satisfying.
 
You think? I prefer the part where I delete all their posts.
 
(for context: we have literal dozens of pending plagiarism flags right now)
 
9:07 PM
ha.
 
in today's edition of funny NAAs:
> this article on GookforGeek
 
That...might actually be rude, depending on the context.
 
@RyanM I feel bad now if you only have dozens pending because about 4 dozen of them are mine :)
 
Assuming a standard US keyboard, that's not a likely typo, and it results in a slur.
@HenryEcker Those ones are great, though, they save so much effort. It's not all you, though :-)
It'd nice to be able click through a set of them, check a few more at random to get an idea of the rate, and then start deleting :-)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I honestly struggle some times and make typos that shouldn't be possible. Like my brain misfires and I know I need a vowel but try writing it with my right hand instead of my left one. So I might go for an "i" instead of "a". So, I'm not hitting a neighbouring key but it's still not at all what I intended to write.
 
9:17 PM
@RyanM I'm glad it's not just me (I assumed it wasn't) given how much stuff is on the site. Lack of tooling tends to be the standard issue around here in general.
 
Not saying that's necessarily what happened there. Just wanted to share my struggle.
 
@RyanM well, it wasn't intentional likely, but still
 
@HenryEcker You're one of like 2-3 flaggers that digs through for more plagiarism after finding one. And there are even more who report one-offs they find.
 
@VLAZ heh, yeah, sometimes I reread my comments and think "who the heck typed this?"
 
Speaking of misspellings and apparently funny/strange things found on SO, here is an excerpt of a regex question:
> [...] but could write the payee as John Smith, Jonathan Smith, Jon Smith, etc.
>
> So I am attempting to use regular expressions to ensure my Python program doesn't miss any typos or alternate spellings...
 
9:24 PM
@RyanM I feel that flagging one would be more work for all of you because presumably you kind of have to investigate the rest of the answers either way.
 
This must be some new summoning incantation for Tony
 
@VLAZ what's up with all those pythonistas trying to do NLP with regex? [looks at the regex guards of the ElectionBot. Goes in the Tony Corner]
 
Look, names are basically text, right? And you can use regex on text.
 
Regex to get "close enough" makes sense. That's a whole different matter compared to validation.
 
Everything is a regex problem if the only way you can think about the problem is "text".
 
9:29 PM
@VLAZ brilliant! It all makes sense now
 
can regex fix regex
 
I don't see why not
 
@HenryEcker On the one hand, yes it is. On the other hand, better to flag one sooner before they post more. We'd rather have the opportunity to stop them :-)
 
even hell can't fit regex
 
9:31 PM
@CodyGray yeah, it does definitely - the urge to do generic natural language processing with it is what I have trouble understanding (for some reason, the snake is often involved)
 
When the only tool you have is a snake...
 
to their defence, they also peruse pandas
 
BTW, the question did get an answer which basically says "install this package which does fuzzy matching and use it"
Oh, and I forgot the most important part: the package is called "fuzzywuzzy"
 
@VLAZ :facedesk:
 
9:36 PM
cute snek
 
It's weird that pandas would associate so closely with dangerous constrictors.
No wonder they're rapidly becoming extinct.
 
@CodyGray I think it stares into my soul.
 
Have you seen pandas? They're really not very smart.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine oh, nvm, I am a lefty, I don't have one, jokes on the snake
 
I've heard they're not really into reproduction
@OlegValteriswithUkraine In the next frame, the snake claims you're a Marxist.
He then goes on to make off-color comments about a Russian who is a Marxist. It was a whole event...
 
9:41 PM
@bad_coder Note, when I said "whatever" I meant "I don't understand, and I can't change my behavior if I can't understand"
 
@CodyGray Then starts a philosophy debate about which school said what. And that's how they get you - slowly strangling you. With logic. And also their own body.
 
@VLAZ lies, I only strangle with logic!
 
I meant the python. It's using logic to entrap its victims.
And then strangle them for real.
 
looks accurate
 
9:47 PM
I think you may be slightly misunderstanding animal behavior
 
@KevinB Definitely. I've used regexes to fix, compose, and/or validate regexes on numerous occasions. :;
 
@CodyGray dunno, I thought we were discussing behavioral patterns of predatory programming languages?
 
@CodyGray I don't see pythons loose in the philosophy departments. And I don't see many philosophers alive in the natural habitat of pythons. Clearly sign that these two groups are natural enemies.
 
I suppose that's true, although your view makes it sound like they are actually kindred spirits.
It's not unusual for philosophy departments to start debates that end up slowly strangling you.
 
Technically what happened to Socrates.
And by "technically" I mean "not at all".
 
9:53 PM
I think Socrates was the one doing it to others
 
I think they belonged to the logical wasps subspecies
 
@CodyGray Is that why they call that manoeuvre "superb socratic stranglehold"?
Is that what Socrates did back in the day?
 
Is that when you sneer at the intellectuals?
 
I think it's when you annoy people till they start reaching for their pitchforks
 
I'm not sure, I am not well versed in these techniques.
 
9:59 PM
@Braiam my "whatever" goes along the lines "I don't care that much anymore"... Just wanna do my slow-beat participation and not get annoyed too much over idiosyncrasies.
 
For example, I'm not sure what the "pulverising platonic punch" does, either.
 
don't forget the venerable "aristotelian uppercut"!
you do it like this: first, lull the opponent into sleepiness by enumerating all meanings of a random word in a very dry manner. Then you uppercut them.
 
I thought the Platonic approach was to see the Daiquiri as a Rum Sour, whereas the Aristotelian approach was to see a Daiquiri as a Daiquiri and nothing else. (reference)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine It was a controversial move but it did win him several gold medals in debating
 
I... have seen that exact strategy win far too many debate events.
 
10:06 PM
They all learn from the ancient master
 
Assuming the "uppercut" is metaphorical.
 
Some times
 
well, one might argue a non-metaphorical one is even better at winning arguments
 
Only if your debate club has an identity crisis with a fight club
 
I'm not sure we can talk about that
 
10:09 PM
@CodyGray I think there is a widespread misunderstanding of Aristotelian bartending. When a client asks you for a drink, you meticulously list all the drinks in the bar and then finishing it off by pouring them a glass of whiskey with ice, no matter the customer's preference - at which point they gladly accept as their brain is already melted.
 
A complete guided tour of the bar actually sounds like a fun experience ;-)
 
I see the user has mastered the engineer's reply - it's entirely accurate but not of any use.
 
@CodyGray ah, that's what the commenter bartenders do, the true Aristotelian ones simply list the names of the drinks and who invented them :)
@VLAZ no, really, how do you find those? :)
 
Just look at the new questions
 
^ exactly. That's what I do.
 
10:13 PM
I try not to look at that page. It uses up all my close-votes. And I have unlimited close-votes.
 
@CodyGray I see.
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I need a drink
 
Yours is one of the better ones
 
I do have some "heuristics" if you will. Some times it's the tags - I visit to possibly remove/fix the tagging. And really badly tagged questions are often not great, either. For this question specifically, it was the title. It's broad and useless, so I checked to see if it needed an edit or a close vote.
 
@CodyGray yeah, pointless bloatware is probably on the high end of the spectrum
 
Yeah, unfortunately, that question is above average.
I mean, it's still not great but...you know.
 
10:17 PM
Someone has suggested an edit to make it worse.
 
@CodyGray why is question?
 
Like, a lot of questions don't even survive few minutes. They might get a downvote and OP just deletes them. And many questions are closed within 5 minutes, too.
 
@CodyGray le souper
Hm... apparently, I am hungry, no, I did not mean supper, I swear
 
You just meant soup, not the full supper?
 
souper, so more than soup
 
10:21 PM
Stew?
 
le soupir. Phew, got it
 
Probably. I'd consider stew to be souperior (sic) to soup.
 
depends on the soup, though
 
OK, mushroom cream soup is my favourite. But even a great mushroom cream soup would have a hard time competing with an OK stew.
Not impossible but it'd still be at disadvantage.
 
I'd have to rate tomato basil over mushroom cream/cream-of-mushroom.
 
10:29 PM
likewise
 
But how would you compare it against stew?
 
I prefer smaller chunks over larger chunks.
 
stew -> any cream soup -> any tomato-based cream soup :)
 
So stuff like Mexican beef stew, which has huge chunks, is sub-par by my standards.
Hmm, what about tomato-based stew, @OlegValteriswithUkraine?
 
@CodyGray I agree. I want a slow cooked stew where the meat starts falling apart.
 
10:34 PM
And also where you take the corn off the cob.
 
@CodyGray hmm, I think I'd still rate the pure cream version higher
 
Interesting
 
@CodyGray Yep, I do want the vegetables to be either liquefied or at least chopped to tiny pieces.
 
So you prefer to be able to drink it, rather than eat it?
@VLAZ But I think of that being what defines soup, versus stew.
 
@CodyGray guess so - some grisini with it would make it perfect
 
10:36 PM
Soup you prepare much faster than a stew. The latter you let...well, stew for a while.
 
@CodyGray Have you seen Something Something Soup Something?
 
I don't even know what grisni is
@RyanM "Here are a some examples from my playthrough." ... No examples found
@VLAZ Oh, so it's all about the cooking time?
 
@RyanM Hey, I recognise the author! Nathan Greyson. I don't really know that many game journalists, so it's interesting to find a familiar name here and there.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine You can drop the le in text, at least
 
@CodyGray Indirectly. Longer cooking time means you get a different result from cooking. Most notably, the flavours mix more thoroughly.
 
10:42 PM
@CodyGray bread sticks, basically :)
 
Ah
 
@HenryEcker maybe :) I don't actually know French
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'm shocked
 
I'm a fan of a meat stew where at the end it's just falling apart like Birria or oxtail soup
 
@VLAZ I know, right? Outrageous
 
10:45 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine It's been many many years since I've used mine
 
@HenryEcker Yes. I want to eat my stew with a spoon and only a spoon. Just like the gods intended. No forks or knives or any of that heresy.
 
Exactly!
 
Agreed
Haha, so... I can't figure out how to play the game that @RyanM linked.
Clearly, games are not my expertise.
 
Seems it loads in Chrome. But I only checked if it opens, didn't actually try playing it.
The URL is soup.gua-le-ni.com You should also be able to download and try running it locally but I didn't try that.
I'm surprised it opened in Chrome at all. It's using the Unity Web player and I thought that was discontinued. Either it was brought back or Chrome just still supports it. It used to require an extra plugin (like Flash).
 
Yeah, I was trying to run it in Chrome. It does load, and I was able to navigate around (very slowly), but I couldn't figure out what to do next.
 
10:51 PM
Oh, can't help then.
 
I eventually figured it out. You have to press a key on the keyboard.
Who even uses a keyboard anymore?
 
11:06 PM
@CodyGray is this a board where you put your keys?
 

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