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6:01 AM
@tacoshy I don't think a mod can do much more then already has been done, except suspending the account. But asking one stupid question isn't a suspension reason. Repeating the same or similar questions by that same user would be mod-flag worthy. So, if you find another question from that user then a mod flag would be warranted. I wouldn't flag this case but if you suspect this is a repeat, do flag.
 
6:42 AM
is there any relevant thread on meta or an explanationon about why an OP with <10k can cast undelete votes on their deleted questions?
there is a closely related q here but this is about review queues
 
@blackgreen they can delete their own question, so being able to undelete as well seems logically
 
6:58 AM
@tacoshy Did you want us to send a warning message to the girlfriend?
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (because it was invalid on multiple levels: first, you cannot simultaneously request both closure and deletion; second, you can't request immediate deletion of a question just closed via SOCVR; third, it linked to an answer, not a question)
@AdrianMole Yes, please leave the sarcastic comments to mods. Thanks!
@tacoshy The problem with using [twitter-bootstrap] is not at all clear to me. Is Bootstrap no longer developed by Twitter?
It appears to me that it's still developed/maintained by the same group of programmers who originally developed it for Twitter. Thus, [twitter-bootstrap] seems like the main tag, which, following our standard version-specific tags policy, should always be used, even if a version-specific tag is added, and a version-specific tag should only be added if the question is specific to that particular version.
 
@rene I’m collecting some literature in meta(s) about this but my doubt is actually better framed as: why can the OP vote to undelete a post of theirs that was deleted by others
 
I can confirm that this is possible. Why do you doubt it?
 
7:14 AM
@blackgreen When high-rep users deleted it, other undelete votes are still necessary for the question to be undeleted, so they probably figured that it can't cause too much trouble
 
IMO it does cause a (admittedly modest) degree of trouble. If I can find some time to put together a meta post, you’ll see what I mean
 
Are you aware that if a post deleted within review is undeleted by the author, it raises an automatic moderator flag?
 
One could argue that the modest degree of trouble is outweighed by the ability of the OP to help rectify a possible mistaken deletion by high-rep users, while still not being able to unilaterally undelete a question they didn't delete themself.
 
These flags are nearly trivial to handle, and, in my experience, are pretty evenly split between (A) post should have never deleted undeleted (thus, redelete, with mod privileges, which will prevent any further undeletion by anyone other than mods), (B) post has been edited and fixed by OP (thus, undeletion is fine; mod may need/want to make some additional edits in the interest of continuing to lead by example), and (C) post should have never been deleted by reviewers.
 
7:32 AM
@CodyGray I am, I linked that meta thread just a couple chat messages earlier. Mainly I think non-10k VtU isn’t ideal because it clutters the 10k moderator tools with a lot of very bad posts, making it harder to find actually undelete-worthy posts. My intuition is that most of those posts with exactly one undel vote are by frustrated OPs.
 
Ah, that's... a UX issue with the 10k tools, not with the ability of users to vote to undelete.
 
“Why was my awesome question titled Java not working HALP!” got deleted??! <click undelete>
 
What if a "How to" question with no "own effort" is wrongfully closed and deleted?
 
I’m not suggesting that a 10ker would be automatically trusted to determine what should or should not have been deleted, but at least they earned that privilege
@JeanneDark they can raise a mod flag or post in meta
 
I'm going to say "meh" to any proposal that intends to increase the burden on moderators in the interest of reducing an exceedingly minor burden on regular community members who happen to use the 10k tools.
 
7:36 AM
Or vote to undelete to make it visible without having to involve a mod (not necessary to undelete such a question and one could even argue it may require subject matter expertise) or meta
 
@CodyGray trivially fixed the first time by declining the flag with a comment such “please post in meta instead”, then making a meta post tagged faq and titled “Why was my flag requesting to undelete my perfectly fine post declined by a rogue power-hungry moderator declined”. The second time decline and link to the FAQ
 
hahahaha
Yeah, that doesn't work. Also, just having to decline such a flag from every new user once would be extremely unwelcome.
 
IDK, regardless, I feel this is a good discussion to be had in meta, so I’ll strive to post something in the near future, which you’ll have the opportunity to happily downvote and/or properly answer
 
Meh.
 
Looks like "users with less than 10k rep should not be allowed to cast an undelete vote if their question was not deleted by a moderator" is an XY problem.
 
7:41 AM
I would strongly prefer that it be posted as a feature request for improvements to the 10k tools, rather than requesting blocking the ability of users to vote to undelete their own posts.
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Fair enough, I might include that in my analysis too
 
That'll show me: then I'll have no idea how to vote on it.
 
Close the question as "needs more focus" ;)
 
Do you mean the one that recommends using a "Nested Set Tree"? No, that would not be link-only, since it is not only a link.
 
the link was long dead apparently
 
 
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11:11 AM
Finally a Python typo that isn't whitespace \o/
 
 
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1:54 PM
@CodyGray For my understanding, when you use \o/, this is "arms raised in vee" (from Jeremy sung by Eddie Vedder) or is it a double check slap (from Home Alone performed by Macaulay Culkin)?
 
@mickmackusa I will forever now see that Home Alone scene in my head when I see that ASCII emoji
 
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3:47 PM
A staff member needed his edit approved...funny: meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/236746/7
 
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@JeanneDark Interesting. I didn't know about that. In this case though, the editor suggested years before they joined staff...it just looks odd now later on.
 
4:30 PM
Found this in LQA queue. Looks like a bungled edit. Rollback?
 
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@DanielWiddis I'd definitely roll that back. I don't know what the editor is doing there.
 
user17242583
@DanielWiddis ah...I think I see. The editor actually wrote the code originally, in his answer (linked to from the answer you just referenced)
 
But that turns into the link-only-to-another-question which means the Q is a dupe...
 
user17242583
Indeed.
 
user17242583
Perhaps that question should be closed as a dupe. However, the copied answer is plagiarism because it doesn't provide proper attribution. I mod flagged it.
 
4:36 PM
the copied answer was from a newer question that should be a dupe of the old one, but... yeah, I was just contemplating a mod flag myself
 
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so yeah, 59878382 is based on 32485152. Saad Allaah copied the answer from the former (newer) to the latter (older). Definitely not good behavior.
 
@richardec To be fair it did attempt to provide attribution linking to the other post. It just should probably be deleted.
 
user17242583
Yes, it did link to the other post. However, I believe that's not sufficient.
 
Agree but under "assume good faith" I would stop short of calling it plagiarism.
 
user17242583
4:41 PM
It's a very similar scenario, I think. Copied from another answer, linking to the that answer somewhere. But it's not clear by reading the answer that the content is not yours.
 
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and a mod agreed, so that's what I'm using as my guide for such situations.
 
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@DanielWiddis nice; it's already converted to a comment (albeit a very ugly one)
 
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@Makyen Thank you. Am I correct that it's plagiarism to only link to the source (and not mention the actual author)? or was it enough in this case?
 
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Completely different topic - stackoverflow.com/questions/32378953/…
 
4:56 PM
@richardec It does not meet our referencing requirements so isn't permitted (which it wouldn't be, even if properly quoted and with proper attribution, because there's no original content).
How to handle it depends a lot on the interpretation of both the user's intent and the overall value to the site. In general, such things are deleted. If it had a reasonable amount of original content and has at least an attempt to indicate that the copied content isn't theirs and where it came from, then it's not unreasonable to edit the post to comply with the referencing requirements, and, given the source is a post on SO, the attribution requirements for the CC BY-SA license.
If editing doesn't appear to resolve the issues, then it's not something which you can resolve yourself, so you should raise an "in need of moderator intervention" flag and explain the issue(s).
 
5:09 PM
Opinion on handling this question in the burnination. I VTC it (seeking recommendations for books) but it ended up invalidated (4 CV, 3 LO). I don't feel right just retagging it. Thoughts?
 
@DanielWiddis I don't think that invalidated your vote, it may have just aged away and perhaps you can vote to close again some days later. The 4 CV and 3 LO was in 2016.
 
@JeanneDark Aged away from May 16 with 2 Close Votes? Hmm.
 
@DanielWiddis On questions with >= 100 views, close-votes and reopen-votes start to age away after 3.5 to 4.5 days (depending on when in the UTC day the vote was placed relative to when the expiration task runs). For questions with < 100 views it's 13.5 to 14.5 days before those votes start to age away. Those times can be extended if additional votes are placed on the question.
 
@Makyen Thanks, I didn't know the timing. Goes to the point of my meta post. I've found a dozen or so posts I tried to close that are now back and I can't take any action on them. Would be great if just a few more people visited the tag-filtered CV queue once every 3.5-4.5 days.
 
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5:26 PM
@DanielWiddis that whole thread deserves to be deleted. It's so full of link-only answers.
 
Yes, thanks. I will make a post here asking for CV-queue visit if I see things in danger of aging out next time.
 
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@Makyen that question is so full of link-only answers - is it a good idea to NAA-flag them all?
 
@richardec I'm not clear which thread?
 
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5:30 PM
ah, never mind. it's already gone :D
 
which ahs already been removed
 
@richardec They are not link only, because that's what the question is asking for (i.e. if the question is effective asking for links, then a link is a complete answer). The normal thing is to deal with the question (close/Roomba/delete).
 
@Makyen may I ask you one personal question that bothered me all the time? Why did you specifically pick your avatar? Do you like astronomy?
 
Presumably, it's not really 'proper' to suggest that an answerer deletes their answer when they have also (subsequently) voted to close the question (as "typo")?
 
I wouldn't say it's improper, just avoid pressuring the user into doing it. Suggest politely that they delete it, and don't push if they don't.
 
5:47 PM
OK. I tried. It's a keen, newish user who posts answers like a machine gun. Many of their answers are good, but I think some gentle "calm down" guidance may be in order. I tried not to add 'pressure'.
... reminds me (vaguely) of someone else. :)
 
I can confirm you've done it successfully at least once before :) And yeah, I think I know which user you're referring to. They seem quite amenable to feedback, and about 20k rep, so can be motivated to slow down now.
 
@tacoshy Yes, I like astronomy. When picking an avatar, my primary requirement was that the license be that the image was in the public domain, I own the copyright (which had a cross-requirement of privacy issues), or otherwise acceptable for unrestricted use, and either mine or obviously not my work. Many astronomy images (e.g. all those created by the US government) are in the public domain, so those provided a set which could easily be chosen from without substantial work wrt. licensing.
As to why that image, it's one which I'd previously downloaded, for reasons I don't remember other than "that looks cool" (I've downloaded a substantial number of astronomy pictures over time), so it was readily available. The file name happened to put it early in the display sequence when scanning through the images in the directory I was looking in. I liked it. I liked that it somewhat resembled a face (eyes and mouth). I looked a bit further, but I was good with that one.
 
6:29 PM
is this closeable as unfocused? Not requesting action, I'd just like a second opinion
ehm, well..
regardless of OP's decision, I'd appreciate a second opinion anyway
 
no sorry it is not closable as unfocused. This would require the question to still exsist :P
 
yeah they deleted it like, 1 second after I posted the link here
 
on the last smokdetector report can I get a second opinion please? To me it just seems as JS question. Nothing to do with Visual Studio or both links he has posted.
 
@tacoshy Not spam, maybe not JS. They're trying to add a snippet. Not sure what VS Code uses for snippets
 
6:45 PM
How can I compare the elements of two strings in c++ ?
 
And it isn't JS, because VS Code uses the TextMate format
 
@tacoshy not JS at all
 
how can one compare elements of two arrays ?
 
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@imbAF This room (Stack Overflow Close Vote Reviewers) isn't the right place to ask programing questions. You can try asking C++ questions in the C++ Questions and Answers room. ;)
 
7:15 PM
Would a NAA flag result in this being deleted?
 
@cigien Hmm. If I had that magic diamond and ended up handling it, then no.
... maybe good that I don't have said wonder-jewel?
 
No, that's fair. I think I'd do the same, it does look like an attempt to answer.
 
But what happens in the LQAQ is not always predictable and not always rational.
 
8:48 PM
 
8:58 PM
Is it possible for someone with a general SE account to delete their SO account, then come back with a different user id number?
 
user17242583
@GeneralGrievance Yes. That's exactly what happens.
 
user17242583
Your user profile (name, about me, links) will be the same, but everything site-specific - rep, badges, posts, tag scores, all actions - will be erased/disassociated.
 
9:14 PM
Does anyone actually go to the Flair page on their profiles? Has the Hotdog theme one always been there?
*Profile settings
 
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@GeneralGrievance It's always been around, as far as I can tell. The oldest MSE post I could find about it is from 2009: meta.stackexchange.com/q/29653
 
user17242583
(are you looking at Shree's profile? :)
 
Nah, I was just seeing if account deletion was an easy process and I stumbled across it.
With this years April Fools', I figured maybe it was a relic of that.
 
user17242583
@GeneralGrievance You're not going to delete your account...are you?
 
Not today! I was trying to profile a potential abuse case.
 
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9:28 PM
Hey everyone...a spam post has been sitting out here way too long and is now attracting non-constructive answers...
 
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"Support Phone Number" spam undeleted for 7 minutes
 
Could just be a troll answer to mess with the spammer? Not sure if I feel good flagging it since it as RA.
 
@GeneralGrievance: I think that the overall effect of flagging something R/A and as spam is the same. The accounts get dinged the same amount -- but please anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Yes, -100.
 
@GeneralGrievance: I guess the answerer will learn a painful lesson then
 
user17242583
9:32 PM
I flagged Solar Mike's answer as R/A. It was deleted along with the question, but apparently they haven't lost 100 rep.
 
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Perhaps it's because the answer wasn't flagged enough?
 
@richardec: Hm, don't know
 
It takes 6 red flags from normal users.
 
If the post isn't deleted as a direct result of 6 red flags to that specific post, -100 isn't applied
So if it's 10k/20k/mod deleted, or in the case of answers, the parent is deleted, no rep penalty
 
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@ZoestandswithUkraine That's what I guessed. I'm glad, because I wouldn't want that user to have a penalty for something so minor, especially since they seem concerned about the spam. I commented on that answer warning them of that penalty, so hopefully they've learned.
 
user17242583
9:36 PM
But an odd thing is, if it was red-flagged at all, no matter how it gets deleted (by author, along with question, etc.), even if it's been undeleted in the past (even by a mod), it will still be screened: stackoverflow.com/a/72341390/17242583
 
@richardec I mean, half of the spammers are posting bad questions then editing them to be spam now.
 
user17242583
I wish I could actually talk with the guy behind this spam and understand his thoughts and motives. Does he really think that "pandas - fill in default values for missing records answers" repeated 100 times is not going to get noticed?
 
I guess it's either about volume (SEO-manipulation), or part of a larger-scale DDOS attack we don't see.
It's part of the support scammers' MO to poison Google ads.
 
10:08 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels perhaps there is some way we can get the mods to message the user without also triggering a rep penalty?
 
@KarlKnechtel I haven't read the transcript for the full context, but generally custom mod flags can accomplish that - you could write something like "please consider messaging this user about X, but this doesn't feel like it deserves the spam/R/A penalty"
 
@KarlKnechtel I think we are not supposed to cv-pls Q without activity during the last 6 month, socvr.org/faq FAQ 11: have recent activity on the question (recent answers, edits not made by you, or suggested edits) [As used here, "recent activity" is considered to be activity within the last 6 months
 
10:46 PM
 
user17242583
11:21 PM
Interesting - there's a way to find questions closed as dupes of a specific question: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/linked/<question id>?lq=1
 
user17242583
There ought to be a user script to get to this page from a question...I'll write one.
 
@richardec What's wrong with the "Linked" link shown on the right panel on the question in question?
 
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@AdrianMole Hmm, I didn't realize that the page doesn't only contain dupes, as shown here (the 0-score answer merely links to 38978214 in a comment under one of the answers). But the sidebar doesn't show all the questions. Maybe intead the userscript should make the "Linked" header a link to that page?
 
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Are mods able to delete questions that have been used as dupe targets? e.g. this one stackoverflow.com/questions/34702296/…
 
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11:34 PM
I tried to cast a delete vote but was confronted with a dialog saying I'm unable to do that.
 
@richardec Yep. They can delete anything except Articles™.
... I think.
 
11:48 PM
@AdrianMole I think we can delete Articles now
I haven't tested this though.
 
Wow! Such unfettered power sound dangerous. :-)
... you'll be able to delete your own accounts, next. ?!?
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or staff's
 

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