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12:03 AM
@sideshowbarker 40 each category: Upvote, Downvote, Deletion, Undelete, Closure, reopen, I guess
 
@sideshowbarker Votes are returned to you when a post is deleted. The people with large numbers of daily votes are generally downvoting NAAs.
 
12:20 AM
@RyanM (also cc @Vickel - that count is only up/down votes)
 
@RyanM ok, so it is not the combo of vote categories as I guessed?
Votes are returned to you when a post is deleted. didn't know that
 
@Vickel Correct - note also that the up/down votes sum to the same total as the question/answer votes.
 
@RyanM yeah, idk why for some reason I thought that was not possible or more complex than it is :')
 
1:09 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels FYI, names like "stackoverflow_is_a_mean_place" on a new account with one question are pretty much always going to be ban evasion of some sort...feel free to flag that stuff for a mod to check.
 
1:32 AM
@RyanM Thanks. I will keep that in mind in the future
 
 
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3:00 AM
anyone know if this edit's correct or not? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/31822997
 
3:14 AM
IMHO not. It changes the intention of the original author. Besides that this cant be run in a stack snippet it should not be changed.
 
@tacoshy just to confirm, that doesn't seem to contain a Stack Snippet.
 
yes ofc not but even if it would be in a stacksnippet it couldnt be run there. So there is no reason to change it to make it reproducible for "normal users"
 
3:30 AM
...is this spam or just wildly off-topic? stackoverflow.com/q/72298853
 
3:52 AM
Is it against the rules to circumvent the minimum character limit with non-printable characters? stackoverflow.com/a/72320783/4294399
 
@GeneralGrievance Yeah, "No." is not an answer.
VLQ and NAA would both be appropriate flags there.
 
4:11 AM
@GeneralGrievance FWIW it's now been improved
 
Hmm. "In order to get the answer undeleted I am obligated to say... I still hold that the entire information of this 400 character answer was contained, without loss of information, in the original version of it: "No.""
 
It didn't have to be 400 characters if there was no commentary about it.
 
user17242583
4:48 AM
@sideshowbarker @Vickel yep, Ryan is correct. I've been downvoting NAAs reported in the SOBotics room. They get deleted soon after, thanks to the ninja mods, so I can continue downvoting more.
 
Does this question already counts as advertising?
 
@richardec ah I see yeah that makes sense
 
5:37 AM
@GeneralGrievance Isn't the question OB?
 
5:50 AM
@RyanM The edit comment is not correct, sudo would not make it runnable as regular user, but as admin (privileges). However sudo would be needed to run that if the user is not the admin, as it is for the other commands. It is confirmed by the comment. But I cannot say if it is a substantial edit
@tacoshy The user has habit to link to sources, I am not sure they intended to do a spam post
 
 
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7:24 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, upon request
PSA: Please prefer pinging a room-owner to request that a chat message be binned, rather than raising moderator flags on chat messages. While lots of moderators are nowadays also SOCVR room owners, not all of them are, so there's a risk of leaving a mod very confused. Also, not all ROs are mods, and these lovely diamondless folks are still nevertheless quite capable of helping.
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7:53 AM
Also Codyfied in rule 29: No mod flag
 
8:37 AM
@CodyGray While lots of moderators are nowadays also SOCVR room owners, not all of them are — I tend to forget this detail
I also tend to forget that not all mods frequent SOCVR at all
 
Refresh your memory of long-lost mods here.
(To my knowledge, none of them are actually lost.)
 
I must say there's a few whose activity is totally inconspicuous to me
 
Not all of them see it as a high-priority task to post clever lines in chat rooms.
 
8:54 AM
@tacoshy I don't think it's advertisement, MJML is a popular email markup language, and AFAICT there's no indication that this user is affiliated to them
though the answer is almost NAA, but at this point it'll probably roomba away with the question
 
Comment-spam under lame question, suspicious? stackoverflow.com/q/72327999/2943403
 
Spamming W3Schools? I don't think so...
Looks like someone just trying to be "helpful".
 
No not KenLee. The www.myrealminer.com
 
@CodyGray the first comment directs to some crypto website, it looks like luncheon meat at best
 
Ah, well... you replied to Ken Lee...
 
8:58 AM
Yes, was asking their opinion. I see the confusion now.
 
I also doubt that the OP is really trying to spam. It's more likely that they're trying to ask a question related to their site, which they linked for reference. I see no other evidence of spammy activity. But meh, none of that needed to stay around.
 
@CodyGray yeah, it only kinda, loosely felt like spam.
 
Very, very ineffective spam :-)
 
They've edited. It may not be intentional spam, but it is a sucky question.
Am I supposed to mod flag off-language answers to questions that never mentioned the off-language? stackoverflow.com/q/4257838/2943403
And the unexplained self-answer (stackoverflow.com/a/4260155/2943403) is seeking a code-review
 
Ugh, there's both a Java and a C answer. The Java answer has several upvotes.
Yeah, I converted the self-answer to an edit. Note they call it an "attempt".
 
9:14 AM
@CodyGray I can reduce the java answer's score if it helps you to justify deleting it.
 
:-)
People found it useful...
Now that the question is closed as a duplicate, I feel like having that Java answer there will be less of a hindrance
 
I hadn't figured out if the old dupe nomination was a good one.
 
10:32 AM
What to do about this question? Is there any other way of code for the methods? It asks for user input n times based on a certain number? It's asking about how to make working code more simplified. Really it's just about an OP unclear on most basic Java issues including when they should be using an array or ArrayList in place of multiple variables. Should it be closed? If so, for what reason?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Well, if someone of your experience can't find a valid close reason, then maybe there isn't one?
 
@AdrianMole I'm not disagreeing, which is why I am asking. It may not need to be closed, but I do appreciate your looking at it.
@AdrianMole: probably the best close reason would be to find a canonical Q&A that tells the OP, "you shouldn't be using variables with increasing numbers in the names, but instead should be using an array or ArrayList and loops", but I have not yet found that magic dupe.
 
10:48 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Post an exceptional answer and maybe that can become the canonical? :)
... would need some editing to the title (at least) as well.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels That used to be a frequently-asked question in classic VB. For Java, I am not very familiar with what exists. Perhaps stackoverflow.com/q/43730778 or stackoverflow.com/q/63604928?
If there are multiple issues with the code, though, that may contra-indicate closing as a duplicate of this specific issue.
 
@AdrianMole good suggestion. @CodyGray: thanks, they look promising. I am also looking for more.
@CodyGray but then it might be closed as "lacks focus", no?
 
Well, possibly... only if it does actually lack focus, meaning, in practice, that it asks multiple questions in one, or that answering it would require something far too lengthy for a Q&A format. Just because a code snippet has multiple problems doesn't, in itself, make a question too broad/unfocused.
 
Where is Solomon when you need him?
 
11:06 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Chopping babies in half?
 
@AdrianMole: something like that :D
Probably my best course of action: "meh" and move on
 
11:25 AM
@JeanneDark How do you find these ancient off-topic threads btw, do you filter for it? closed:1 score:-100..-2 created:2012..2015 or...?
 
@blackgreen: best not to ask about her super powers
 
Yeah, I can't reveal my secrets ;)
 
ugh, that filter returns 30k+ results..
 
So you have some work for the next few months ;)
 
score:-100..-50 returns 3
 
11:31 AM
 
11:49 AM
@blackgreen Well, now it's 2, because one of them was not actually close-worthy, just...well, it was a pretty lazy question, it just wasn't unclear.
 
Not even close to close-worthy?
 
@CodyGray It was this.
 
Maybe we should close it as a duplicate of one or more of these questions: stackoverflow.com/q/656537; stackoverflow.com/q/33246879; stackoverflow.com/q/26032541; stackoverflow.com/q/37443718
 
@CodyGray that may be reasonable, although I don't think stackoverflow.com/q/3744371 is at all relevant :-p
I am far too tired to evaluate these and not an SME, but feel free to dupe-close it.
 
I can't even manage to paste valid links
 
12:01 PM
My objection was primarily to the assertion that it was unclear, which it was not
 
It appeared to be "unclear" why they didn't search on Google.
 
Mhm.
 
"Don't start with PHP!" Ok, rude.
 
Okay, I'm definitely tired, because I saw "Go for Ruby" and thought they meant some sort of golang plugin for Ruby.
 
I've read it like that as well
 
12:06 PM
I'm obviously too used to people "tagging" every technology or framework with code formatting.
 
That would be at least minimally better than "tagging" a normal, everyday English sentence with code formatting...
 
It has a background! And it's slightly bold! Obviously it's for emphasis. /s
 
We had boldface and headers back in 2010, too.
 
But those don't have a background, Cody!
 
12:37 PM
Before I get in trouble again, could a moderator advise as to whether it is OK to comment "Did one of these answers solve your problem? If not, could you provide more information to help answer it?" on a two week old question with 3 working answers?
 
@RyanM They do! They have individual backstories and unique experiences that made them who they are today.
@Nick The position of the moderators remains strongly opposed to comments like that, for multiple reasons, not the least of which is that it does not accomplish anything. If the user is still seeking more/better answers, they'll take action to let us know. If you think the question as posted is insufficiently clear and/or lacking information, then you should vote on it accordingly.
If you think the answers work and are useful in their current form, then you should also vote on them accordingly.
 
@CodyGray thanks. It would have been nice to get this reply to my reply to the email I received. I shall remain ever more silent on the topic (here and on posts).
 
Sorry that you weren't provided with an adequate explanation/clarification. That's our bad.
So... replies to moderator messages is something that is actually a bit broken. See, all mod message replies go into a global inbox to be seen by all moderators. But everything goes into that, and so that inbox fills up rapidly, especially if we've been suspending a lot of spam accounts, which is something we've been doing a lot of recently. What that means in practice is, it's very easy for us to lose track of a reply and forget to, well, reply to it. So, I'm sorry if that happened. We'd like to see system improvements there. Either way, they're not really a great tool for back-and-forth. — Cody Gray ♦ 2 days ago
And, to be even more clear, it's never a problem to ask questions about site policies and/or discuss things with moderators or other users, especially not here.
Nor is it an issue to disagree. I didn't spend the last couple of days arguing with people on Meta because they were wrong to make arguments. :-)
 
@CodyGray no problem at all, I know you guys are busy. And I was only referring to that specific topic when I said I'd shut up :)
@CodyGray I noticed that :)
 
I just don't think there's anything useful to be accomplished by leaving comments that shout into a void. The one you sketched is similar to the oft-maligned, "Will the downvoter please leave some feedback?" style of comment.
If they'd wanted to leave some feedback, they could have done so.
 
12:54 PM
@CodyGray I was going to write a reply but then I realised I'd be breaking my vow of silence :)
 
I could never keep a vow of silence
 
Is this a dupe? (Even though the cause of the UB is different, it's the same Rule in the C++ Standard, is not?)
NM - I found an even better dupe target.
 
1:21 PM
@MarcoBonelli When you click on MS in SD's message you can also find the info what the user was blacklisted for
 
@JeanneDark just saw that, I'm used to reply with "why" :')
 
Why?
 
Sometimes it's nice to ask Smokey, "Why?", just to see the bot belch forth a load of rude words. :-)
 
Why look up stuff yourself when you can get it provided to you?
 
@JeanneDark gives more info in general (not in this case though)
 
1:27 PM
It doesn't. It'll never reply to you with more detailed information than what appears on the MetaSmoke dashboard.
Unless you mean that just asking "why" in general often provides you with more information, in which case, I wholeheartedly agree. I like to ask "why" a minimum of 3 times to understand someone's position.
sample PHP "problems"?
 
Perhaps "simple"?
 
@CodyGray I knew you would love the title ;)
 
I always like good titles \n” ?>
 
:)
 
Arise, Baron Cody of Gray!
... is that a "good title"?
 
1:32 PM
Baron? Heck no, that's the lowest possible title.
 
@CodyGray ah, you're right, I did not notice the entire code block of details in the MS pages :') I'll probably open the MS link next time
 
 
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3:42 PM
Anyone else noticing that every eval.in link is now a deadlink? This renders many commented demos and in-answer demos useless on loads of pages.
 
@tacoshy you can't until it's been closed for 2 days
but the question will roomba anyway, I expect
 
FAQ rule #11: "That means del-pls requests are permitted for closed questions which have been closed for more than 2 days, or which have a score less than or equal to -2;"
 
4:36 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels That does look like it needs more focus. If there was a specific piece of code they wanted to improve, that would be ok, but the program provided does too much.
 
Urg, where did the meta link for the burnination go? It had a lot more useful links.
Did it just magically appear or was I blind before? :). (Thanks, whoever did that edit.)
 
4:53 PM
@cigien Thanks for your input
 
 
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6:35 PM
Any explanations for what appears to have happened here. Looks like the earlier of the two identical answers was deleted (by its author), leaving the later to go on to acquire an upvote.
 
7:31 PM
@richardec For plagiarized answers, a mod-flag is probably more appropriate than a sarcastic comment.
 
@AdrianMole Also, the edit you made makes it rather less obvious that it was (when posted) an exact copy-paste.
 
user17242583
8:10 PM
@AdrianMole I thought it was plagiarized but I wasn't actually sure, so that answer was only part sarcastic. Reviewing the other answers on the question however, I see it was just plagiarized from the top answer.
 
Yeah. Copy-pasted.
 
user17242583
@AdrianMole yep, I didn't realize it was just a copy of the top answer
 
But don't worry - I already flagged it.
 
user17242583
@AdrianMole oops, I just did too...oh well. Thank you :)
 
(The bullet numbers are lost when making a 'partial' selection of the source post.)
2 flags on the same post isn't a problem.
... but the "Hope it helps! Thanks!" is a bit of a dead bloody give-away.
 
user17242583
8:15 PM
@mickmackusa similar to this? meta.stackexchange.com/a/370325
 
@richardec Meh - I would go with NAA on that and edit out the rude bit.
... but now that it has (seemingly) some red flags, I'll leave it alone.
 
user17242583
@AdrianMole Yeah, I kinda agree, but why edit out the rude part at all? It doesn't improve the post, IMO.
 
user17242583
Besides the rude stuff, it's just a rant.
 
@richardec I think an R/A flag is likely to get declined, since the rude part can be easily edited out. But since the answer doesn't answer anything, NAA is fine
 
We are encouraged to edit out obvious rude words from some posts, because we are watched by minors.
 
user17242583
8:21 PM
@AdrianMole Ah, I see. Good point.
 
user17242583
@blackgreen Okay, next time I'll use NAA instead.
 
or a del-pls for 20kers might be fine too, although it depends on whether people want to waste a del vote on something that can be easily handled by the LQA queue
usually those posts get handled in LQA quickly
 
I don't mind spending a delete vote on stuff like that. In my book, that's not really wasting one but properly using it.
 
me personally I prefer to reserve VtD for posts that are unlikely to or outright won't be handled in a queue
 
user17242583
@AdrianMole True. But they might be more efficaciously spent delete on trash in the 10k tools page ;)
 
8:28 PM
I understand that POV, and that it is widely shared. But I seldom use my full quota of delete votes in a day (unless I'm busy in LA and/or LQA).
 
does hitting "delete" for 20kers within a queue use up one of their votes?
 
user17242583
@AdrianMole Yeah...you're lucky. I've only 8 a day.
 
@blackgreen Yes. After they're gone, the button reverts to "Recommend deletion."
 
9:02 PM
@blackgreen Yes, but there is a script that avoids that.
Which I've never actually used, because I've never had 20k privs on any site where I'd need to preserve delete votes. But I'm told it works.
 
Interesting, I might try that once I get to 20k
 
@AdrianMole The first one was deleted, then reposted from a different account. Without looking at mod tools to check (thus this is entirely based on public info), I would guess that those two accounts belong to the same person, and they accidentally posted from the wrong one.
 
... who hopefully didn't use the sock puppet to up-vote his own answer
 
The other account lacks the voting privilege and has never voted, so in this case that definitely didn't happen. Unless there's a third account, of course.
 
9:25 PM
@RyanM That was also my guess at what happened. Just thought a wee glance or two from others may rule out any malevolent behaviour. (I wasn't concerned enough to raise a flag.)
 
9:56 PM
Huh. I VLQ-flagged this answer as link-only. The OP has edited it but I can't see how to retract my flag.
Seems by design ??
 
@DanielWiddis Edits automatically mark VLQ flags helpful. Which is ...problematic for other reasons, but useful for the fact that it removes flags from fixed link-only answers.
Went ahead and marked the NAA flags helpful there too to kick it out of review.
 
Ah.... ok, learned something new today.
 
 
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11:38 PM
While I am very happy to swing my hammer (or for anyone else to hammer) this collection of dupe questions that simply fail to write return on the same line as the recursive call, I am uncertain how to determine the most appropriate canonical. 3v4l.org/d1Hgs May I have some educated advice about nominating a best dupe target? Which dupe in the cluster is "best"?
 
I see multiple times a day that [twitter-bootstrap] as tag is used for [bootstrap-5] questions. Would it be helpful to edit the description twitter-bootstrap to not use this tag for bootstrap-5 questions? Also I have noticed that bootstrap-5 is not initially suggested when searchign for bootstrap tags, is there anything that can be done about it?
Is this possible troll question worth a moderator flag (asking to create a pishing site to spy on girlfriend)?
 

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