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12:37 AM
 
 
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2:10 AM
 
I prefer to stay in my lane. Is there anyway to filter 10K delete vote tools to show only php content, or do I need a SEDE query for that?
 
2:33 AM
I'm not sure you can write an SEDE query for that. You might need a userscript.
But there are people who know SEDE far better than me off the top of my head.
 
2:52 AM
@mickmackusa Not sure you can be certain that's a dupe when OP hasn't mentioned the browser they are using
 
@Nick This is explained in the dupe, right? If the dupe proves to be incorrect, then the asker should edit their question to proof the dupe inappropriate by giving better debugging details.
 
Then close it as needs debugging details.You can't close it as a dupe of something it might be a dupe of.
 
@Nick Well, you are arguing that it might be a fringe case. I am not. I believe it is a dupe. The answer contains an insight that is represented in the dupe. If the dupe doesn't solve it, it can be reopened. If the OP already saw that page and it didn't work, they should have included that in their question body.
 
@mickmackusa There is not a way through the base UI. It's also not possible through SEDE as delete votes are not accessible in a way that is useable for this purpose. A UserScript could scrape the post_ids and fetch the corresponding tags, but I am not familiar with one that currently offers such functionality.
 
@HenryEcker ugh. thanks.
 
3:01 AM
But then they have to go through the whole close/reopen phase, which wastes a lot of everyone's time if the question is not in fact a dupe.
 
@Nick on another topic, what search term would you feed to Google when hunting for a good dupe target for: stackoverflow.com/q/9133143/2943403 and stackoverflow.com/q/45776440/2943403 ?
@Nick The answer that should have been a close vote is a waste of people's time. It is far more likely to be a duplicate than not be a duplicate. The "add mute" resolution is very likely the answer (as shown by the new unexplained answer).
 
@mickmackusa I can't find an easy one for either of them. But pretty much any other close vote will work
 
 
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4:33 AM
@GeneralGrievance very close to an r/a flag...
 
@HenryEcker So this is supremely annoying to do... tags are only offered on their separate /questions and /answers API routes not through the unified /posts so the questions and answers need separated and recombined.
The API also doesn't have any access to posts that are currently deleted so there's really no way to get the tags for the posts that have pending undelete votes through the API...
@Cristik You did notice that the duplicate target is by the same user?
 
nope, honestly didn't open the other link :P
does this change things?
 
4:48 AM
@Cristik Okay. I thought so, your comment under the answer is good general advice, but odd given that the dupe target is a newer question by the same user.
@Cristik Generally, if the newer question is a repost, then duping the other way is standard practice.
 
not necessarily, there are many cases where older questions were marked as duplicate of newer ones
 
Not for reposts by the same user. (generally)
 
that's another discussion
the date of the posts is only tangential to this particular case
perhaps some other course of action should be done for these questions, dunno, I didn't investigate more in depth
 
5:25 AM
@Juraj Well, OK, but that means you would close it as "no repro", right? Or possibly unclear? I am just not seeing how that is "blatantly off-topic". Put yourself in the position of the asker: what message should they take from having a question containing source code and ostensibly about a programming problem closed as "blatantly off-topic"?
@Machavity I think that was HTML 2, not 4. By HTML 3.2, you even had CSS.
 
6:28 AM
@karel Someone with full close-vote privileges edited that, without voting to close it. Sigh.
 
@CodyGray That editor spends a lot of time assiduously tidying up chat, conversation, politeness, demands, begging... I think I asked them to remove fluff while they're at it, but I don't think I heard back
 
The edit itself looks quite useful. But editing a question that needs to be closed instead of voting to close it is... the opposite of helpful, really. (Fine to do both, of course.)
 
Yup
 
6:52 AM
@karel more like "needs debugging details", no?
@tripleee OP improved it substantially but I'm afraid it's still unclear
 
 
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10:05 AM
Is there a rule against reposting closed questions?
 
@StephenOstermiller they "threatened" to repost if their question is not reopened.
 
10:24 AM
@Turing85 Yes, just flag for mods and we will delete and send them a message
 
@Dharman Well... as of now, its "only" a thread. Let's see if they follow through.
 
If it's exact repost, it's useless because it will still be closed
 
I already told them so
 
10:36 AM
 
@mickmackusa Is there a good canonical for it?
What do you mean question requirements in comments?
Is the question still unclear after the clarifications from comments?
Or the comments make it unclear
 
Is this question off-topic?
 
stackoverflow.com/q/45858358/2943403 does not have a mcve and is Unclear, surely SO can shed this page.
The dupe target also extends its requirements via comment
 
If we want to remove it, we want to understand how it hurts the community
 
@Dharman it is closed, it is unclear, and therefore cannot be opened. SO can shed its unclear pages. It also cannot be sensibly used to close other pages.
 
10:48 AM
It has one dupllicate closed against it already
 
Ah, and again I'm not prompted.
The two-page chain is very low quality in my opinion.
I don't see any pages using stackoverflow.com/q/45858358/2943403 as a dupe target. Can you give the link?
 
@Turing85 None of the topics described on the tags are on topic
 
@mickmackusa Sorry, let me clarify. I see "unclear" question you want to remove. It has a single duplicate. I understand you want to remove that unclear question. I wanted to understand if that unclear question was still unclear after the comments, but I think I got my answer: yes. What I don't really understand is if it is unclear why was it used as a dupe target. Don't we have a better target we could use instead?
 
Because people prefers closing as duplicate instead of other reasons.
There are very strong incentives to do so.
 
11:18 AM
 
11:52 AM
@Dharman well, the chosen dupe is not a horrible target -- with respect that it generally seeks similar behavior (on a very similar topic), but when an unclear page is used as a dupe target we've got a diminishing returns kind of situation that doesn't help researchers like SO should.
Even if the loss created a content vacuum, that space would hopefully be filled in the future by a good clear question with a mcve.
 
12:25 PM
Hmm. 10+ years a user then going on a spam rampage. Phase of the moon?
 
Is this question a suitable duplicate-target for this question?
oh nvm, it's closed already.
 
12:46 PM
Will this incorrect answer prevent the roomba stackoverflow.com/a/44619838/2943403 ?
 
@mickmackusa Makyen's Roomba-predictor script says it will get eaten in 10 days (daily purge).
 
no, it's not accepted
 
@mickmackusa The 30 days closed script should get it
Lies, the 9 days should, but again, the predictor says 10 days
 
@Braiam The predictor has an in-built "off-by-one", I think, so that we don't constantly batter its creator when things aren't deleted as quickly as we we told they would be.
... and the rule does say more than 9 days ago...
 
1:04 PM
Is someone present who knows and can determine whether this question is sound?
 
Why does the room script shows that as "deleted"?
 
Thx team.
 
@AdrianMole It links an "answer"
 
1:23 PM
@Braiam so where did this "answer" come from? oO I never saw an answer on that question... or maybe a comment?
 
1:39 PM
@Turing85 I think it was simply predicting the future. :)
... but, more likely, the tag on the same post as a question probably confused the script.
 
@AdrianMole so what you say is: the question gets un-deleted, reopened, and then someone will answer it? ^^
 
2:32 PM
Are we allowed to have 2 accounts on SO? The thing is, I already have an account with 2K rep, but I had to create a new one because I am not allowed to log in to any of my personal accounts from my company workstation/laptop. Will my not doing a stupid voting fraud be enough, or do I need to delete one of the accounts?

I went through https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388984/what-are-the-rules-governing-multiple-accounts-i-e-sockpuppets but it says nothing about a non-chat bot second account.
 
Multiple accounts are allowed, but just be very careful. Trying to do anything that would not be possible with one account would be a rule violation. Not just mutual upvoting, but also things like one account reviewing suggested edits from another, and evading question/answer bans.
 
Also answering questions from the other account is not allowed
 
@Dharman ah this I gotta be careful about.
Thanks guys
@AdrianMole on that note
are we allowed to merge 2 accounts>
*?
 
Yes. I think you have to go via the "Contact us" button.
 
Like if in the future I change my job and then I want to merge the 2 accounts, would I be able to do it
@AdrianMole Oh, but how does the merging wok exactly?
Like which rep is retained, which username is retained and so on
 
2:39 PM
That's a secret. :) You should not expect it to be done, by default, but if you give a decent explanation about why, then staff may prove helpful.
 
because I am guessing I won't be allowed access to both after merging
@AdrianMole oh
 
We don't normally make fun of typos from new users, in here, but how do you merge woks? :-P
 
and should why answer why I had to create another account or why I need to merge the 2?
@AdrianMole Aw
I am guessing super-heat both? :-P
 
3:02 PM
@AdrianMole What an incredibly clever feature.
@justanotherguy The simplest approach, by far, is to just ensure that your two accounts have no interaction on the site whatsoever. That essentially frees you from any possibility of wrongdoing. And, yes, they can be merged later, provided that you can demonstrate ownership of both accounts. The rep from both would be retained, as would all posts, after the merge.
@AdrianMole We don't? When was this rule change announced?
 
One tricky issue is avoiding accidentally upvoting a given post from both accounts.
 
One simple trick for avoiding that trap, the users hate it: avoid upvoting any posts
 
Would you give the same advice for downvotes?
 
@AdrianMole No, downvote as many things as possible.
 
@CodyGray Have you been deleting useful comments ... again?
 
3:16 PM
No, I haven't deleted any useful comments.
 
@Dharman really? If I have one account, I can answer my own question. So with my sock I should be allowed to answer my own question. I can't accept or upvote that answer so that is a bit useless .... I'm enjoying my nitpick Saturday. And you?
 
What to do with this question? I mean... the errors are obvious, but the behaviour described is not reproducible. And for me, it is unclear what concept OP is struggling with.
 
The distinction, @rene, is that when you answer your own question with the same account, it's obvious to everyone that you've self-answered: all they have to do is look at the user name. But if you answer from a different account, there's some bias/favoritism operating there which is not at all visible to any observers other than moderators.
I, also, enjoy nitpick Saturday. I try to celebrate it on as many days of the week as possible.
 
:D
 
I admit that you're unlikely to ever get suspended if all you ever do is answer your own question, with no accepting or upvoting.
But it's still a practice we'd discourage.
 
3:20 PM
@CodyGray Nitpik: Does the word, "many", really have a plural form?
 
As in, "manys"?
 
It's probably a valid Welsh word.
 
I assumed you were speaking of English
Oh, oops. I did not notice I misspelled "many". And now, you won't notice it, either.
 
I took a screenshot, which I can post on Meta.
 
@Turing85 they want even numbers, your example show both. The question is not stellar but I guess it can be useful to have an answer that demo's how to deal with that requirement when having an array and not just a generator / for loop / iterator / whatever.
 
3:25 PM
@AdrianMole Great, great. Suggested title is: "Smoking-gun evidence that a moderator has made a mistake". Make sure to tag it .
 
Not that Meta. The one with "book" and "face" in its old name.
 
I thought the place for calling me out was Twitter. I must have misunderstood.
 
I don't tweet.
 
You Meta?
 
3:26 PM
It has been known.
Still looking for "Code Gory", to offer a friend request.
 
Good friend of "Coding Horror"
 
Is it OK to link this room in a comment discussion on a recently closed question/answer? (The one I agitated Cody about.)
 
What would be the advantage of that? So they can continue to agitate me?
 
Meh. It reminds me (vaguely) of another user who was in the 'habit' of answering dupes. I showed them this room and now they've stopped doing it.
 
That's interesting. Why did the existence of this room stop them from answering dupes?
 
3:36 PM
We explained why they shouldn't
He's now a regular, in here.
... same tag(s), similar, rapid rise in rep.
... and lots of good answers, too.
 
It's still unclear to me what linking to this room has to do with anything. If I'm understanding correctly, you linked them here, and then provided the explanation in here. Why not cut out the middle- man room and simply provide the explanation of why they shouldn't answer dupes directly?
 
Yeah, that's an option I've considered. But, as you were there and are here, I thought I run it past, just to see ...
I think I'll put it off until I have more time and freedom to engage.
 
I'm intrigued either way
 
In what sense?
Surely, you have guessed who the other user is.
 
I haven't. I have no idea. I pay very little attention to users, and especially their backstories...
 
3:46 PM
He has even 'thanked' me for engaging, actually. If you really want to know, ask @cigien.
 
@rene as I said: I understand what they want. I do not understand the problem though. And what good is an answer that does not explains the actual problem?
 
fair enough. It needs less blurry eyes then to judge.
 
 
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@IanCampbell Not untidy?
 
[spam] ? Both links in the question are very suspicious, the second leading to a cheap-looking ad: stackoverflow.com/questions/71896282/…
 
6:58 PM
Is this off-topic because it is general computing software?
 
7:10 PM
@Turing85 yes, not a programming problem at this stage.
 
@rene it's closed already =)
 
good ;)
 
Can someone make sense of this question?
... apparently not ^^
 
8:09 PM
To the android-gurus: is this a "normal" NullPointerException and should thus be closed as duplicate?
 
8:25 PM
let's consider question A and B, where B is a duplicate of A. Some user has posted an almost verbatim identical answer under both.
is it appropriate to flag the answer under the duplicate for deletion? Or is that better as a 20k-deletion?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels ☝️ does this remember you of something? I forgot his name... but I think you know who I mean
 
@blackgreen If a user posts duplicate answers please flag them and mods will delete.
 
thanks, even if it is a one-off? I (summarily) checked this user's answer history, it seems an isolated case
after flagging, I saw from my flag history that I had already flagged it a while ago for the very same reason — and then retracted, though I can't remember why I did so
see, one can't escape their destiny
 
8:44 PM
I'm adding the tag c++ to see if I can target more people and get any kind of help, so answers in c++ are also welcome. Is that tag abuse, when there's nothing related to C++ in the question?
 
@blackgreen Yes, we don't want duplicate answers. The system tells us when it happens, but if there's a slight difference it won't catch it. We delete duplicate answers and leave a comment
 
@Turing85 Which question do you mean?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels this one
 
@AdrianMole I mean, it already has the WinAPI tag, which should make it reach enough experts.
 
@Turing85 That happens all the time
 
8:47 PM
hm... ok :)
 
9:34 PM
@Turing85 yes, the error is in user code and the answer indicates it's nothing special
 
👍
 
@Dharman I made a mistake with my earlier flag. I recommended to keep one of the two answers based on the duplicate direction, but I realized shortly after that the two questions aren't exact duplicates. I provided details on a reparatory flag. I am sorry for the confusion
 
9:51 PM
@justanotherguy Yes, you can do that. See stackoverflow.com/help/merging-accounts for the process.
@AdrianMole I don't think staff are in the habit of declining merges as long as people can establish they own both accounts. In fact, moderators not-uncommonly request that accounts be merged involuntarily when they're up to shady stuff.
 
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