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5:48 AM
@JeanneDark Thanks to the person who pointed out a dupe in the comments, got that one too.
 
6:02 AM
 
6:14 AM
I think I broke a suggested edit: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/31512892
It applied an "Edit" review without the Community bot approving, or, in fact, an edit...
So uh, sorry, random person, your edit might be forever in limbo...
I have no idea what happened.
 
Shows up in their profile as neither approved or rejected, but the suggested edit task is definitely marked "completed".
 
I was trying to edit a previous suggested edit, and it was being slow, and then it seems to have completed both at once?
 
@CodyGray It's not even Schroedinger's edit, then. We've opened the box, we looked at it and that hasn't assumed a definite form.
 
6:31 AM
@RyanM A small consolation: Their edit didn't remove "thank you in advance for reading this." Maybe the system has become self-aware and noticed it.
 
6:47 AM
@RyanM You can go ahead and edit it now. I sent an additional "approve" through, which appears to have kicked it out of limbo.
 
@Makyen I actually wasn't trying to edit it, but it is good that you fixed it...but also, how?
 
@RyanM I manually sent a POST indicating "approve" for that suggested edit.
 
7:22 AM
Status: problem resolved by hitting it with a POST
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7:34 AM
is this worth keeping? It's basically a "my code is crashing, please fix it for me" type of question, although the accepted answer gives some good tips for others
 
7:45 AM
@Cristik I don't see this as particularly useful, mostly because by googling "cs50 recover segfault" gives a bunch of Q&As with nearly identical title but not identical variations of some crash
the only way that can be salvaged IMHO is to fix the title so that it reflects the actual root cause, but... by the time someone is able to look up an issue with the correct title, they likely already know what the problem is
looking up those kind of questions on stack overflow is like googling with the "I feel lucky" option enabled
 
yeah, also the accepted answer pointed out a lot of issues with that code, it's unlikely someone will run into the exact same sequence of issues.
btw, I like a lot the "I'm feeling lucky" button :)
 
I'm usually not lucky
 
8:03 AM
wow, there are a lot of CS50 related questions, and all I've stumbled on so far have the same pattern: "my program is crashing, here it is, please fix it"
 
yeah precisely
 
8:31 AM
@Juraj "Blatantly off-topic" is definitely the wrong close reason. Maybe not reproducible?
 
8:48 AM
@RyanM also spam
the name of the product brings to the same site
 
If only there was a "Hey Ryan" button!
 
I clicked some :D
why not just suspend in this case? this user is on a spree
 
Cool, cool :-)
Nuking a user's posts as spam is a rather effective way to block them from posting more spam.
 
@CodyGray I mostly just deleted them, though I nuked a token answer as spam.
 
It only takes one.
 
8:54 AM
@blackgreen thanks, hadn't found that one initially.
 
the "Hey Ryan" button worked
 
whoo \o/
 
As some users have found out recently, the "Hey Ryan" button often works too well! Poke a mod about one problem, then the mod discovers your giant sockpuppet network.
@JeanneDark At least my sense of humor is consistent!
 
@CodyGray The "Reply to Moderators" button on mod messages is very effective at this if you fill the box above it with the right insults.
 
Fake news; who would insult a moderator?!
 
9:02 AM
Not me. Wait, no, I've probably done that.
But like, politely?
 
> Please, my dear, I beg of you to come to the realization that you're actually a <censored>
 
Nice
 
> My question is not actually a question.
Not off to a grand start.
 
@CodyGray Maybe we need a tag
 
Nah, someone would just burninate it
 
9:11 AM
 
9:26 AM
^ that question is gone now
 
9:48 AM
Would anyone object to me deleting this? stackoverflow.com/q/57171199/1839439
 
@Dharman not me ;) - I even VTC'd it
 
@CodyGray is it a "software tools commonly used by programmers"?
 
@Dharman nuke
 
@Juraj Uhh... no... it's source code.
 
10:30 AM
 
11:10 AM
@CodyGray the source code there is unrelated to the problem
 
 
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12:12 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels you forgot we did layout with tables, right? It was the super grid.
 
@rene Are you talking about pre-CSS?
 
probably
and a frameset
 
12:57 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Better known as HTML 4.0 (or the dark ages of web development). Without CSS you had to style all of the table elements manually. No spans or divs. No inheritance. And IE6. Good times...
 
@Machavity It sounds like fun! This is what happens when I dive into web development too late to partake in all of this
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Oh you definitely missed out
 
1:21 PM
 
1:33 PM
@Dharman what flag is this?
I mean, "only decline one of the flags"?
Ah I see now
There were multiple flags and you hit decline and it auto-declined all flags on the comment
 
No comment downvotes are incredibly unconstructive! My answer is easily the best on the page (a page littered with incorrect answers) and yet I was just downvoted. Ugh. stackoverflow.com/a/63477808/2943403 Does anyone see something wrong in my answer?
 
Careful mick, we aren't supposed to explain downvotes
 
@mickmackusa Same with no comment upvotes. Just word of caution, mods delete such comments with no scrutiny. It's ok to ask for improvements, but don't mention votes
 
Now two dvs today. The attack makes no sense.
 
1:40 PM
Comments on upvotes don't need explanation. The post was helpful. Alternatively, when a post is not helpful, it is constructive to offer a hint as to what is not helpful.
 
Well, maybe remove the commentary about the other answers and focus on the question.
Instead of "other answers" refer to them indirectly, like "using bla bla bla will mess up your key:value relationship"
 
@mickmackusa It's not an attack and I can understand why some find it unhelpful
 
"It may not feel that way to you at the moment, but downvoters are doing the site a service" (from meta) ...no, they are doing a disservice by making it harder to find my answer.
 
Maybe your answer isn't good?
 
@Braiam my comments that signal researchers to the fact that the top answer is 100% incorrect should not be scrubbed by moderators who care for researchers.
 
1:47 PM
I don't understand what's wrong with the accepted answer
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I'm all ears.
It doesn't respect the associative relationships between the two arrays.
 
@mickmackusa According to your own demos, your suggestions don't work
I am confused
 
I see quite a few question on SO where folks are using the CS50 'version' of C. Should we be suggesting the CS50 stack Exchange site? It's in Beta and, to be honest, don't really see the point of it.
 
@Dharman why? Are you confused because I altered the sample input and created a better mcve?
 
The accepted answer gave me the right result, but yours didn't
@mickmackusa 3v4l.org/sGnpK Some and demo are still in both arrays
 
1:50 PM
@AdrianMole It's fine to recommend it in a comment but just want to remark that it's not valid to close a programming question just because its about a topic that has its own/a better fitting SE site
 
It looks like your answers is comparing keys, not values
 
@TylerH I wasn't thinking of closing or suggesting a migration option.
 
@Dharman You're tricked by my new sample data that only intends to remove the remove elements because ONLY those values share the same indexes between the two arrays. Look at the asker's code.
 
@mickmackusa Perhaps some of the danger was in answering a question you admitted in a comment that you found to be unclear... it's possible (I haven't read the Q or your A) that you may have misunderstood the question
 
@TylerH Yeah, comment flags are all-or-none. So if you get a random NLN decline, that's probably because someone (often the UU bot) flagged it as something stronger
 
1:53 PM
Interesting. If I ever become a moderator I will have to go back and look at all my NLN comment flag declines to see if there were other, stronger flags on them
 
@mickmackusa Yeah, the code in question might be a little broken, but that doesn't explain why you decided to just remove objects with the same key and value
 
The asker's code shows if($value !== $array2[$key]) which means that if elements with the same key have different values, then push them.
 
It worked for them
but as a general solution, it's not the solution
Would it help if the question didn't contain that code at all?
 
@Dharman and that is the point. It only works by happenstance because of a poor mcve. My altered mcve clarifies the correct technique to use.
The asker's code isn't bad, the sample data doesn't represent a good test case.
 
But your expected output also changed
 
1:56 PM
@Dharman how so
 
Ahh, I see the question said "I want to remove all values from arrays that have the same index key and value."
Ok, I cleaned up the question, but now the answers all turn out to be incorrect
 
@Dharman time to warm up the downvote finger
 
This is another one of these PHP questions where it's so messy one doesn't really know what to do with it.
 
@mickmackusa Well, last time I wanted to delete an answer that left exposed people to hacks, you saw what happened.
 
People were upvoting it based on the title of the quesiton
And I understood it the same
 
2:05 PM
So, maybe a more practical solution instead
 
but the question asked about something else entirely
 
On those cases I force the meaning on the title on the body of the question.
Like I did yesterday.
 
Going to bed now. If destroying the page is the only option, let me know what the next best canonical is. I'm sure there are dupes available.
 
What's wrong with downvoting all the wrong answers and explaining why they are wrong?
That would be better than railing against them in an unspecified manner in another answer, I think
 
You really want we to rehash that "it doesn't work" is why it's wrong.
 
2:08 PM
Once they're negatively scored, we can also delete vote them if they're of little enough value, which would "clean up" the page
 
The promise that "great answers are voted up and will rise to the top of the list of answers" is broken when the top answer is no bueno
And you can't fight against mob mentality
 
You need at least 44 dv
 
The obvious solution is to blacklist the php tag :P
 
@Dharman Only for the top answer, but there are lots of other 1-score (or lower-scoring) answers, too
I also see the top answer doesn't have any comments on it explaining any issues with it
 
@BendertheGreatest update posts set deletedate = now() where posts.tags like '%<php>%'
 
2:10 PM
stackoverflow.com/a/71885021/4826457 is this a rant or is there a salvageable part of this post?
 
@SurajRao no
 
A or B?
 
But that's not the problem with the user, just that grafana simply doesn't support it and no alternative is usable.
 
@SurajRao I have edited it to remove the rant
 
Speaking of which, that question is not programming
 
2:12 PM
ah thanks
 
Sigh, grafana is a tag on SO...
 
(so yes, it was salvageable, but barely)
 
2:32 PM
@Braiam To me grafana is a tool for programmers
 
@StephenOstermiller It depends on what you're using Grafana for, but most of the time I'd consider it an operational tool. I've never used it during dev except for displaying stats around stack errors, etc. Even then it was a webdev project so it's borderline operational anyways.
 
@StephenOstermiller If you are just visualizing data, it's a tool for people, not specific for programmers
Remember, every tool if a tool for programmers, even coffee makers
Primarily used by programmers was the criteria (which is why I don't like it at all, it keeps expanding)
 
@Braiam I set up grafana to monitor our programs and only programmers are interested in that data. I suppose grafana could be used for other purposes, but if so I haven't seen it widely used for them. In my experience it is primarily for programmers.
 
"Operational dashboards for your data here, there, or anywhere" - grafana.com. looks like a general tool
 
2:44 PM
@StephenOstermiller I think the tool needs to be intrinsically for/about programming. At my company only programmers use linux. That doesn't make linux only questions on topic
 
@StephenOstermiller Well, I hope your infrastructure guys don't know about that, because you will be setting them up to it
Monitor temp, monitor cpu usage, memory, io's, etc.
 
@Braiam we also hire programmers for operations now (dev ops), so there is little distinction between programming and operations anymore.
 
@StephenOstermiller And that's why there is a distinction.
If your "programmers" don't know about ldap, kerberos, networking, etc. no matter how good they are as programmers, they will be no useful for infrastructure.
 
terraform is just another programming language. >:)
 
When your UPS's start failing because overheat/overcurrent, you will know the realâ„¢ programming languages
Having multiple related skills is ok, but multiple responsibilities has to be paid premium.
If a company wants me as a programmer and netadmin, they have to pay me as a programmer and network administrator
 
2:49 PM
Yeah, full stack devs can demand a premium.
 
@code11 The tool needs to be primarily used for programming/by programmers, or the question needs to be about programming. Tools that support some programming but are overwhelmingly used by end users can be asked about if the question is a programming one.
 
@StephenOstermiller That was not what full stack ment
Full stack didn't mean that you were responsible for infrastructure too!
 
The stack is expanding. Front end, back end, cloud ops. You gotta know more to do it it all.
 
That's employees pushing labor to be have more responsibility to pay less per meat body
 
@StephenOstermiller Its definitely true. As a nominal full stack engineer, I was surprised how much cloud stuff I needed to know when I switched jobs. I guess knowing half a dozen backend languages, the intricacies of their environments, JS, a number of front end frameworks isn't enough. Now you need to know all this cloud stuff as well :|
^ Good answer. Bad question
 
3:16 PM
@code11 I hope that came with a hefty premium too
 
@Braiam Well... coffeemaker might not be the best example of a non-programmatic problem to solve 😉
 
@BendertheGreatest I don't think that script does what you think
 
WHAT hang on. This should be a real script in that repository
My mistake, it calls a ruby script
 
I mean, if the coffee maker has an api, that's programming right in the name.
But if it doesn't...
 
3:27 PM
It was a joke lol. This is like the only case I've found in the wild where coffee actually is a programming related topic
 
@Braiam At least a 30% increase. I was looking to learn new things anyway. Doesn't mean I cant complain about it haha.
 
@code11 Probably why I would never make it as a front-end dev today. I know HTML and CSS quite well, and am proficient in JavaScript though not the best. But start throwing around requirements you see today in jobs ads... "React, Babel, Webpack, Node.js, Angular, etc" yeah I've never touched those and hopefully never will
I even try to avoid Bootstrap and Fontawesome as much as possible...
 
Most of those dependencies are not even necessary to create a webpage.
 
eh, it's the same old... trap often. List of requirements that are far bigger than they're actually looking for, usually
 
It's the what you want, what you need.
 
3:34 PM
Node.js is about all i've used in that list and not for webdev
 
hahaha, I've never managed to get fontawesome working from scratch. I really like its icons though. If someone asks for babel, its usually just using it (in conjunction with something like webpack). If they want knowledge of the actual transpilation (and sometimes they do), its way out of my league.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/63057079/… isnt this still a list of links?
 
and if they actually want the front end dev to be an S tier expert in all of them... iunno. I want a dev that can learn what's necessary for the job at hand, not one that has dictionary-like knowledge of everything out there
that's what the internet is for
 
Personally, I think transpiled languages are a waste
but to each their own
 
@KevinB I used to think this was what people wanted as well. Turns out the more senior you are the less true it is. I've found it harder to get a job the older I get. There's much less accommodation for learning. They want an expert.
 
3:37 PM
Isn't there a twit by the creator of something or other where it asks for 7 years experience on a tool that he created 4 years ago, or something?
 
@Braiam Swift, I believe
 
I half expect it to be more a case of... being burned so many times by bad devs that they want proof, and turn to the only decent measuring stick they have
which unfortunately is memorizing a bunch of useless shit
 
My apologies, I lied. There is one for Swift but I do recall there was one where the creator of something wasn't even qualified for the job post.
 
@KevinB "being burned so many times by bad devs" maybe because you are looking at the wrong things.
 
possibly
 
3:40 PM
Also, what price are you willing to pay for a non-bad dev
 
@Braiam this many
 
I haven't interviewed somehwere in... probably 10 years, hope i never have to again. things are so different
 
I'm kinda moving myself to work by project/contracts
 
Found it - FastAPI creator made that tool 1.5 years ago, job ad asked for 4+ years experience.
 
Realtalk, I have no idea. I haven't been a pure Software Engineer in a while now and I was underpaid when I was. Now I'm a Systems Engineer and wear enough hats to have a decent salary.
 
3:42 PM
like, if i looked at my own qualifications when i was hired here..
i had html/css/visual basic with no experience and no degree
 
I think last i heard entry level for Software Engineering is around $85K in the US. I think $100-115 is probably slightly above average or perhaps for a mid-level role
 
I've wrote a couple position descriptions, most skill focus on "know how to do X with Y"
 
i started at 10$ an hour, but it didn't stay that way for long
 
@BendertheGreatest personally I think transpiled is a stupid term. Just say compiled.
 
I agree it's a stupid term, but I do think there is value in differentiating between "compiled to machine/byte code" and "code generation being treated as compilation"
 
3:47 PM
I think it means write in a different language to generate another language
 
well transpiling is just code generation
 
Basically Unity.
 
@BendertheGreatest I understand it as "compiling to a language of the same level of abstraction as the source", but I certainly did not try very hard to understand how people were using it when I first started to see it in the wild
 
I still blame unity and jquery
 
i'm not even a webdev and i hate jquery
 
3:49 PM
Transpilation is a type of compilation. So, it's a valid term. Just not terribly useful, IMO
 
It probably didn't help that I was mostly seeing it on articles on medium that people were linking to
AKA the place where posers went to proclaim pseudo-profound BS
 
@VLAZ in the general definition of "compile", sure, but not as it generally means in computer science
 
At the time (haven't visited medium blogs in a long time) it was even worse than Hacker News
 
you're taking a DSL and generating valid javascript out of it
or whatever target language
 
@TylerH It's not better.
 
3:50 PM
Good to know
 
There are some decent articles here and there but you probably won't miss much by avoiding Medium.
 
that said whether transpiling is code generation or compilation of a different flavor is all semantics. but there is clear value in differentiating from each classification of it
 
Compiler a program that converts instructions into a machine-code or lower-level form so that they can be read and executed by a computer. Now, whether or not converting C++ code to Java should be considered moving to a "lower-level form" is, I guess, a matter of opinion.
 
@AdrianMole C++ developers tend to look down upon Java. This is must be lower. Q.E.D.
 
You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment. :)
 
3:59 PM
Java isn't even C++'s final form
Eventually it becomes PHP.
 
What words mean is a matter of opinion. That would never cause problems.
 
@TylerH C++.JS
 
I'm sure that exists somewhere
 
Java++?
 
4:00 PM
@AdrianMole It's spelled C#
 
hehe
 
Since we're on the topic of obscure languages... someone here tried ballerina?
 
There is also J++, though. It's literally supposed to be Java++. It's made by...Microsoft.
 
So what is js2js?
 
@VLAZ @GeneralGrievance please stop... I just ate...
 
4:02 PM
OK, I will not tell you about J#, then.
 
@Turing85 Doesn't seem that popular, yet: .
 
@VLAZ I just threw up in my mouth a little...
 
@VLAZ Was about to say: I'm surprised they didn't call it J#.NET.
 
Fun fact, C# was MS Java till Sun sued MS and won. MS rebranded it as C# and MS Java jvm became the .NET runtime
That is an oversimplification but mostly correct at a high level
...man saying that makes me feel old. How long ago did Oracle acquire Sun Microsystems now?
 
4:21 PM
@BendertheGreatest 200...2?
oh wait, no, not until 2009
Sun just went into hiding from 2002 to 2009 I guess
 
@TylerH I believe the Sun lawsuit was circa 2002. Somewhere around there, anyways
 
If only Sun had properly defended their Java trademark when JavaScript was created. It would have saved so much later confusion between the two.
 
Eh, if it makes things harder for Oracle, I'm okay with that
Also, around this time J2EE really took off and I think that's where a lot of Sun's focus went @TylerH. They still had Solaris and some other things but admittedly I was too young to really follow/focus on that at the time
 
@BendertheGreatest: no, it makes it harder for those of us who review j or js questions on this site, and who constantly have to post things like, "Please understand that these are two completely different programming languages, about as closely related as ham is to hamburger..."
fortunately for me, I like both ham and hamburgers
 
You could just remove the tag, but I definitely do understand that confusion
To muddy the waters further, the actual "java-as-a-scripting-language" is groovy
 
4:32 PM
My only encounter with Sun was in middle school when we swapped our entire computer system and every student got an ID badge with a microchip in it and we used that to login
it was revolutionary
 
.... indeed. I don't hear much or see much of Groovy nowadays. For a while it appeared on the rise (years ago).
 
and then the next year or two it was gone
 
I did early java programming with legos mindstorms, so i was exposed to them with that. And I played runescape, which resulted in hours of trying to figure out what ms java was and how to disable it for sun java
@HovercraftFullOfEels Same here. I see it pop up in things from time to time but I think whoever created it may not have realized that Java is objectively a terrible language not as popular as they thought. This coming from someone who used to write Java code day to day.
 
@BendertheGreatest it's --- btw to do strikethroughs
 
@TylerH Thank you. Weird, thought double-tilde was markdown for strikethrough
 
4:37 PM
I don't know about markdown, I just know that's how SO chat does it
 
4:49 PM
Yeah I forget that SO comments are only a subset of markdown. Makes sense maybe some syntax is unique to this implementation.
 
This is the third time that this poster has asked the same or related question, now using a third user account. First time, then the second time, and now this one, all of them quite broad.
 
wow, good catch
It seems the ones where the user was prefixed with user may be deleted now. There's no clickable link to their profile
 
@BendertheGreatest: my misfortune to follow what, for some, is an "objectively terrible language" :D
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels These people must think we have the memories of ... umm ... you know, thingamajigs.
 
Although, now that I am learning JavaScript, I am impressed and a little overwhelmed
 
5:01 PM
Look, we get it. HR has made post-java-trauma-consulting available at no charge to you
 
... Collanders?
 
@AdrianMole or they must be assuming that we have better things to do with our lives than scan questions on this site
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Joke's on them. Half my time is spent waiting on deployments
 
Meh. Like you (I guess), I have come across such posts and quickly recognized the style and/or code from something I saw earlier on in the day. In a recent one, the user (with the second account) had used code from my answer to their first Q in their second. D'oh.
 
5:03 PM
... they even left my comments in the code. ;-)
 
The worst I've found myself is the same user posting the same question I've already VTC'd earlier that day, but worded differently instead of editing it in the existing quesiton
 
Is this a reasonable dupe-hammer against the big "Is FP Math Broken?" canonical?
... I mean, one could post an answer that goes into detail about how the various /fp flags change rounding modes and comparisons, etc., etc.
 
Honestly, I see that canonical too often for someone who doesn't frequent the c++ tag, and frankly, I hate the title of that question
But yeah, to me it seems like it's a reasonable duplicate.
Especially considering the comment under it.
 
5:20 PM
My concern is that 3000f/1000f gives the same bit pattern as 3.0f when using fp:precise but a different pattern when using fp:fast. OP knows that FP math isn't precise.
 
There are so many answers on that canonical I can't tell if anything states what the fast fp compilation changes. But I did find one answer mentioning that different fp techniques could be in use balancing precision and performance. It's not inconceivable that the answer is buried in one of those 80 answers
But that is why I dislike massive canonicals like that. It's not useful information to the reader unless they want to wade through 80 other people's take on the problem.
 
M--
5:51 PM
I posted a comment saying "if @username's answer resolved your issue, you should consider accepting their answer. What should I do when someone answers my question?". and it got deleted right after adding it. Is there a new rule that we shouldn't be leaving comments like that? is it an automated deletion system (even "thank you" comments need a flag to be deleted AFAIK).
nvm, it remained intact after adding it for the third time. I don't know what was going on, but seemed like an "unreproducible" incident.
 
Folks here who make userscripts may also need to know this: Tampermonkey deprecated @include so every single one of my user scripts needs to be updated before support for it is removed next year to replace with @match.
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I documented the process for converting my stack exchange site regex with @match globs here Convert deprecated @include with regular expression to @match in userscript
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Welcome to the club, you and literally everyone else :-P
 
@M-- People often flag them as NLN and (many, if not most) moderators will delete them on sight.
 
@StephenOstermiller I recommend Violentmonkey instead, if that's an option in your browser.
 
Even if I switch monkeys myself, I still want to support users that prefer Tampermonkey
 
6:04 PM
What is this, reasonable hour?! Don't be ridiculous :-)
 
it's friday
 
Gotta get down on... wait this isn't room 17
 
!!friday
 
Not just any old Friday, though.
@StephenOstermiller switch (monkeys) { ... Error: Expression must have integral or enum type.
 
Why are all the userscript things suffixed with "monkey?"
 
6:11 PM
because they're kinda like monkeypatching
 
The granddaddy of them is named GreaseMonkey and others copied. Dunno how GreaseMonkey got named and its wiki doesn't say en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greasemonkey
 
@GeneralGrievance Well, "Grease Monkey" is a slang term for a mechanic, among other things. Maybe the others just fell in to the terminology?
 
monkey patching
 
Someone should release an equivalent and call it PigWrestler.
 
M--
@AdrianMole that was way too quick though (unless Flash is amongst the diamonds)
 
6:22 PM
@M-- Then maybe "accepting" is now one of the regex matches for an instant delete on an NLN flag? Like +1 and upvote are.
... or our mods have run out of flags to handle?
... again.
 
@AdrianMole PigWrassler
 
Hog Rustler?
 
 
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7:35 PM
@GeneralGrievance My bet (as Adrian noted) is that GreaseMonkey (the original userscript engine) is probably a reference to mechanics. GM modified web pages in the same way a mechanic might work on an engine
The other US engines then became [name] Monkey
 
7:49 PM
 
8:40 PM
@mickmackusa Without saying more, I suspect that not all of the downvotes you've received are entirely, shall we say, organic. No action needed on your part, will raise the issue internally.
In the meantime and in general, I'd try not to read too much into any particular downvote.
 
9:26 PM
@TylerH I'm pretty sure I had a whistleblowing comment but it was deleted (I suspect by mods) after I raised my complaint in this room.
 
@mickmackusa Deleted that comment as it wasn't very nice
 
@RyanM sorry to bang on so hard. I am less triggered than I used to be. I used to selfishly care about my score, but not any more. Now I can about researchers finding the right content. When I see a page that is so skewed that the avergage researcher has little chance of finding the best answer, I know multiple things have broken down.
 
Feel free to post nicer comment
 
whoa
 
@Dharman I don't remember what I said. Was it uneditable? You can do that, of course, as a mod.
 
9:32 PM
@mickmackusa Your answer there can be improved. Trim it down a little and don't refer to other answers
@mickmackusa I could but... computer says no
 
@Dharman just woke up, will do that now.
 
I hope people know that reference and I don't have to link to Youtube
 
9:53 PM
@halfer That's not a delete reason. Also that question will Roomba in 8 days, why does it need faster deletion?
 
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urgent help needed
 
@mickmackusa I should also disclaim that while what I saw looked suspicious, it's not 100% clear, and I could be wrong. Only time (and CMs) will be able to tell.
also the new reputation page is so bad, my goodness. the numbers literally do not add up. I don't understand how we're supposed to see what things happened when.
 
we're not
 
@Dharman In an unusual turn of events, I concur with Rob's suggestion - splitting it into separate questions with concrete examples of specific problems would make it much more likely to be addressed.
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10:10 PM
@RyanM I was minded to think it was so terrible that it merited faster deletion, but it is not a hill I'll die on. I don't make del requests very often, but from memory I don't think I've generally supplied a reason - broadly my reason tends to be whatever the close reason is (unless it's NATO). Anyway, feel free to remove my del request - tis nae bother
 
@halfer Generally, the close reason is the reason for deletion. But if the question will roomba anyway, you should explain why you want to expedite it. There's also not a need to ask this room to cast the last vote as many users watch the 10k tools and someone might cast the last vote sooner or later.
 
11:13 PM
@Dharman I couldn't reduce the size very much while maintaining accuracy, but I did overhaul the answer. stackoverflow.com/a/63477808/2943403
 

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