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12:16 AM
@cigien isn't the question closable, too (general computing)?
 
Yeah, I think so, based on the tag wiki.
 
ok, I'm posting...
 
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Q: How could we make [todictionary] less ambiguous?

U12-ForwardThere is this todictionary tag, with 53 questions. But the tag is way too ambiguous... It doesn't have a tag wiki nor does it have a tag wiki excerpt. The original use for this tag (at least I suppose), is for the C# toDictionary method. The first question with this tag was with this method. But ...

 
 
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5:54 AM
Should this page remain closed? It seems sufficiently clear to me. Am I missing something obvious? stackoverflow.com/q/37142882/2943403
 
given the lack of effort, do you really want to reopen, though?
 
6:15 AM
@tripleee I hate effortless questions, but I am trying to overcome my bias against these questions that have flooded our beloved site. There seems to be a fair chunk of people who found the accepted answer to be helpful. I'm not passionate about it either way. I just thought I'd ask the room.
 
6:50 AM
@mickmackusa A lack of effort could be forgiven for a popular question.
 
@karel With only 3 sample strings, we must rely on the English explanation of the requirements. I don't find it to be a rock-solid question (even if it would have shown coding effort). I'm pretty meh about it. The closure just struck me as odd.
 
7:19 AM
Is this question on topic?
 
very borderline but hard to argue that it's not a tool used predominantly by programmers
 
Ok will leave it as it is, maybe someone will find it helpful
 
7:33 AM
 
9:14 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR Request Graveyard (because the meta question link seems to have confused the Archiver into not realizing it was completed)
@gre_gor This seems like a pretty focused task to me. Perhaps it is a duplicate, but it does not seem to lack focus.
(it could also be explained better, but with the example I was able to understand it)
 
9:39 AM
@Ruli I'm not at all familiar with iOS dev (or, frankly, iOS), so I assume the answer definitely isn't "that's just how that type of notifications works"?
 
10:10 AM
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Q: Can we please unlist [tolist]

nvoigtWhen working on How could we make [todictionary] less ambiguous? I came across questions with the tolist tag. It has all the same problems as the todictionary tag: No tag wiki, no description, a function name in .NET that is nothing special. It doesn't do anything differently than all the other f...

 
 
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12:23 PM
is this an answer?
 
@blackgreen you mean as in "should I flag it as NAA or not"?
 
yes, is it flaggable?
 
No, it is not. OP tries to answer the question. NAA is for "answers" that do not try to answer the question (e.g. spam) or are very low quality.
 
it's an answer don't flag, the question gives 2 possibility, the answer indicates one and explains why
 
fair enough
"I would go for the second option" must be the "answer" part. Not a stellar one, though
 
12:28 PM
@Turing85 spam isn't an example of naa, it's a example of spam
 
@Braiam fair enough
"I have the same problem" would be NAA. Or "I tried this, but it did not work for me".
 
@blackgreen It addresses the problem presented in the question, so no, not a NAA
If you have issues with the answer, try reading the question
 
Is this question off-topic because not programming-related and not programming-tool related?
 
12:59 PM
Is this a tech-support quesiton?
 
@jps why? If we remove the "spam"-part, the answer looks salvageable.
 
jps
@Turing85 the answer doesn't seem to add anything new either
And spammers often try to hide behind something that looks like a question or answer. No mercy
 
1:14 PM
@jps that doesn't make it spam though. I know what you mean: the answer was only posted to promote the spam message. But if we close it, we should do it right.
 
@Turing85 editing leaves the spam in the revision history
 
@blackgreen yes, but we can then delete it as useless duplicate.
 
I agree it should be flagged
simple deletion also leaves the spam right where it is, for users that can see deleted posts
 
Soo? Flagging it as spam leaves it there aswell.
 
1:18 PM
Flagging it as spam will hide the content. Sorry I said “revision history” when I was actually thinking about hiding the content
 
If we edit it first, the "spam"-content is "hidden" as well.
Well.. that's not a hill I am willing to die on... flagged it.
 
jps
@Turing85 Sorry, but I don't really get the logic why it should be better to edit out spam and not flag it. You're of course free to flag or not. I flagged it as spam.
 
I don't think the issue is controversial at all. See this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/110030/…
 
@jps The "proper" way for me would be to:
- remove the spam
- then delete the answer as unnecessary

The answer IS salvageable since the spam can be removed and in itself, the answer is fine. Then we can take the next step and remove the answer as unnecessary since all information are already presented in other (older) answers. But in the end, the result is the same: it will be deleted.
 
jps
@Turing85 Sorry, I'm not convinced. Did you read the meta discussion that blackgreen (thanks for that) linked above?
 
1:31 PM
@jps the post mostly talks about spam links. I have to agree that the "edit"-thing is a problem, though.
 
Is this NAA, or is the method name being in the link sufficient to make it an answer?
 
Many years ago I got a declined flag on spam (with mod message "Just edit it out" .. stackoverflow.com/a/10183482/5292302), but by now it's standard to not edit spam, just flag it.
@cigien yeah it's enough, it's an example SHog9 made in his post about apples..
 
Ok, thanks.
 
jps
@PetterFriberg had a simiilar problem in the past, flag got declined because the spam was edit out already.
 
@cigien meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/…, see the FileOutput stream answer.
and the one below
 
jps
1:36 PM
the review-pls regarding the spam is still pending
 
@PetterFriberg Ok, that's what I thought. Was just double checking. Thank you.
 
@jps I was hoping we would delete it and not punish the OP that edited... :)
 
@jps I don't want to reject the edit, since it appears to be done in good faith. I'm hoping the answer will just get spam-deleted.
ninja'ed :)
 
edit gone and so is the answer
 
problem solved :)
 
jps
1:42 PM
@PetterFriberg I would not regard this as punishment but as a matter of education. I generally don't think that most of the bad edits are done with bad intentions, but simply with lack of knowledge.
 
Would it be rectified to close this question as duplicate of the "pass-by-reference" or "pass-by-value" canonical?
 
@jps true, but it's such a controversial subject (as I showed even mods like to edit if they think the answer is ok), so I'm not sure our education is 100% supported by all SO user.
@Turing85 according to me yes
it's basic understanding of scope/visibility of variables work
 
@PetterFriberg not necessarily. In other languages (e.g. C), we could pass-by-reference and change the value.
 
well it's tagged java...
 
... yes. And it's obviously a beginner question. If OP has knowledge in another language (e.g. C), it might well be possible they understand scopes and liveness, but were unsure whether java supports pass-by-reference.
 
1:50 PM
That's why I feel the canonical is ok, it would be a good read for OP and help with this understanding
 
... closed it.
 
jps
@PetterFriberg sure, but I think we also work in good faith here and we have for most problems meta discussions which often enough show a consensus that backs up our actions
 
... and now OP deleted the question x)
 
problem solved again :)
 
And the spam has been deleted as well
 
1:55 PM
@PetterFriberg I have no idea what happened there. It looks like spam to me, and even if it's worth editing out the spam, declining the flag and telling users to edit out spam is just incorrect.
Was the flag "disputed" instead of "declined"?
 
@cigien it's many years ago, SO was more lenient then.., it was declined
 
wait... what? The "spam" flag was declined?
 
Oh okay. Different post.
Thought we were talking about the post reported by @jps
 
anyway np, it was long time ago.. much has changed since, SO was way more lenient in those days also towards link only answers.
 
2:01 PM
I would have declined that one as well. The post was salvageable via edit, and the user wasn't some 1-rep one-post wonder. FWIW, other actions were taken on the mod end
 
@Machavity Baah maybe dispute instead of decline.. teaching us to edit out spam is maybe not the best solution... anyway it's not a problem I will not get flagged ban :)
it was just an example of how editing out spam can be tolerated, related to the review above
 
@PetterFriberg Honestly, I do wish they'd let us dispute in some natural way. You have to use a userscript to do it
 
@Machavity Even for a single character link to one's own page, and when the user has multiple other instances of undisclosed affiliation? (I've edited in disclosure already, since the user hasn't been active for a year). I haven't double checked the dates, so perhaps that was the first instance.
Not that the existence of other instances of self-promotion would be clear from a single spam flag, of course.
 
@Machavity to me overall on that post the fish stuff was that they did hide the link... I would be ok with good faith if the link was visibile..
 
@cigien It's possible the mod missed the pattern and declined first. We can't undo how a flag was handled (the "disputed" thing is a pure hack and just changes it from helpful or declined).
 
2:09 PM
@Machavity Fair enough. Mostly I'm surprised with the message to a user that they should edit out something like a single character spam link. I don't think that's advice that's given any more, is it? I'm fine with a mod making a decision to do so, but I'm not thrilled with users deciding when spam can be edited out.
 
@cigien They did get a warning about promotional links (and probably due to the spam flag in question). To that end, we do err on the side of the user, especially on red flags. I bet a mod flag there would have gotten a different response
 
@Machavity Ah, ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
 
2:31 PM
@Makyen A recent Meta post highlighted the "can you help us create it" link for blank tag wikis we were discussing a few weeks back: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/415065/… tl;dr the link only shows up if you can submit an edit/edit suggestion.
For 20k+ users, that's always, since no review is needed
for sub-20k users, it's only when the suggested edit queue is not full
I didn't think about suggested edits being limited playing a part since normal edits have not been limited for me for so long
 
3:29 PM
 
4:14 PM
@tripleee That one is actually about compiling Asterisk, not using it. I still VTC for lack of debugging info since they didn't even bother including the error message they were getting.
 
Hmm, does editing an item from the close vote review queue not kick it out of the review queue anymore?!
 
4:36 PM
@TylerH I was under the impression that an "Edit" review action does still kick the post out of that review queue.
 
@Makyen stackoverflow.com/review/close/30733354 this item was an edit for me but it 'still needs more reviews to complete'
 
5:06 PM
What is a good close reason for this (so-called) question? Custom "Sir, this is not your blog" reason? stackoverflow.com/questions/62475112/…
 
"I am voting to close this question because it does not appear to ask a practical programming question as defined in [help/on-topic]."?
@miken32 For bonus points, you could create a community wiki answer and edit the question to be actually a question.
 
@miken32 "unclear" is a good standard version
Questions need to ask questions
@IanCampbell the existing answers all would need to go away for that to work
 
@TylerH What question are those answers answering? They seem to be comments posted as answers.
 
hello
 
It's like the question author wanted to write an article but there's no Laravel collective. So sad.
 
5:17 PM
@IanCampbell exactly
 
5:40 PM
@TylerH It appears that, at least in the CV review queue, the Edit review action now performs an edit and counts as a "Leave open" result.
 
 
6:46 PM
@Makyen Hmm, I don't recall that being by design for the review queue revision project but I could well have forgotten
 
@TylerH I'm vaguely remembering something along those lines being mentioned, but I don't think it was in the primary announcement. OTOH, I could be misremembering.
 
I think it was probably just a consequence of another change; being able to edit the post after a review and not have it kick the item out of the queue, or something
 
7:04 PM
 
I have a question about my tag disambiguation meta post. It appears the tag has now been disambiguated. There are 28 questions about lines of code. The consensus among the top 2 voted answers is to rename/merge them with . What is the correct way to move forward now?
 
7:18 PM
@HenryEcker Normally I'd say you can mod flag the question, but I took care of it since I saw it
 
@Machavity Thank you for taking care of that. I will mod flag the question in future now that I know the process.
 
The tag had to be synonymized. And there was much rejoicing.
 
@IanCampbell looks like it was just synonymized to , not burninated
 
Fine....
 
@IanCampbell :-P
 
7:23 PM
Obviously I just wanted to make a Monty Python joke.
 
@IanCampbell Do you need help? You look repressed...
 
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
 
@IanCampbell Only if you bring shrubbery
 
8:28 PM
hmmm... did I miss a maintenance windows announcement? Or do you guys have hickups as well?
 
it's dead
 
interesting.... I have just some hickups.
oh well. It's gone now.
 
8:44 PM
@TylerH yeah, it was done as part of a follow-up change. I don't remember which one off the top of my head, but it was mentioned in the meta answer that was posted announcing that the change was made.
 
9:47 PM
 
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11:42 PM
Is this answer which uses the accepted answer with different variable names a thank you answer or is it unique enough that it's an answer?
 
@HenryEcker Seems to be the same
If anyone reviews the edit, it would be more evident
 

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