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11:00 PM
That doesn't really concern me so much, I don't think it needs to take up much more space than the current banner.
 
Have you considered simply expanding the character limit on the nomination text?
A lot of the people nominating are quite adept at writing, just look at the questionnaires.
 
We're already using this much space for stats - i.stack.imgur.com/bIddT.png We've got at least 6-8 lines of text we can use for selected stats instead of the candidate score stuff.
@TravisJ Not really, no. The point is that we want people to keep it short - forcing them to choose what to highlight is part of the statement.
 
@OlegValter I'm not sure what you mean by "divisive content". If you mean "disruptive", that's definitely bad, but we have robust mechanisms in place to deal with that. If you mean "raises topics that the community is divided about", (which is what I mean), then I think that's a good thing. To clarify, I'm not saying a mod, or a user, should make a habit of this, but being willing to and able to raise such a discussion is a positive sign IMO.
 
It’s important to be able to say something you believe in, even if you know some people won’t like it (unless it’s obviously something that doesn’t belong here)
I don’t think you should be penalized for that
 
If the stats are based on medians rather than averages, I don't see how that penalizes someone?
 
11:04 PM
@Catija If that is the only place you are interested in modifying, then perhaps make an expansion on the candidate score that explains what the heck is going on there (most people have no clue what is in there) -- bonus points for adding in a "view my candidate score" button for the expansion. At that point you have the rest of the space for new additions, you could include a graphic, or new metrics.
 
I’m not catching the whole conversation here, I wasn’t responding to your suggestion there
 
By expansion, I mean a modal or link to an explanation somewhere, that shows what each actual part of the score really is.
 
@cigien the latter, of course :) what I meant is that it can just as well be a negative sign too, no? If one consistently post like this (in terms of reception) it might either mean that they bring up interesting topics but it might also mean that what they post in a controversial manner which I wouldn't count as a good trait in a moderator. That said, it's not to say that your point is invalid, but rather to indicate that there is a flip side to posts like this too
 
I very, very strongly feel that the candidate score is bad. In most elections the vote can be predicted based on score alone. There's a rare exception when someone is very visible and low-scoring who wins or sometimes (on smaller sites) is a mod elsewhere on the network...
@KevinB Ah. OK. :)
 
Eating dinner, and chiming in between, ;)
 
11:08 PM
@TravisJ I've been dealing with the candidate score for years and I still haven't memorized what badges apply for which categories and which badges mean what - but we do nothing to explain that - we cite specific badge names and leave it to the voters to find the hover text or guess at what the badges indicate.
We also don't state which badges are missing, so you, again, have to be a deep insider to even know what those badges mean and what they don't.
I need to go feed my family. :P
 
@Catija The explaining part is what is wrong though, imo, not necessarily the score itself or the fact that it correlates to winners. I have looked all of the badges up a bunch of times, it would have saved me a lot of time if there was some inline part to open there which explained what each one was.
 
I disagree - I think it'd be an improvement but I don't think that most people care. All they look at is the score and they vote.
 
if you want to become an elected moderator, you should be active in this room (and other ones dedicated in moderating the site), but there is no badge for being a resident contributor here
 
I do though like the idea of simply replacing that area with the most important stats potentially with a link to more. Giving a bunch of numbers rather than 1 makes it a more complicated decision than who has the best score
 
... chat participation is about the closest we can get, sure. And we can't specialize elections based on SO only too much.
 
11:11 PM
Some users get a blue diamond badge after longer participation in this room
 
All they look at is the score and they vote. [citation needed]
 
If you've ever compared the number of voters on SO to the number of views that the questionnaire got, it's patently obvious.
 
I think on a site like anime, or pets, or history... sure, that is probably true, but I don't think the larger exchanges have that issue.
 
32,225 votes but only 18k views of the Questionnaire post.
 
Is that votes or voters
(you get several choices)
 
11:14 PM
Maybe once this pixel on question thing is done and tested it can be used for elections too
 
Technically 18k voters could cast 54k votes, so... there's that.
 
@TravisJ you only get one vote.
 
That's because questionaires are too long
 
First choice, second choice, third choice?
 
I voted recently and all I based my decision was the short nomination message
 
11:16 PM
Only one of those choices is used as a vote
 
Oh, okay, fair enough
 
It's "single transferable vote"
 
So half of the voters read, and the other half knee jerk?
 
Nope. That 18k views isn't unique per person. I'll bet at least 30 are just me. Each view from the same user that's more than 15 minutes apart counts as a "view"
 
Familiar with view counts ;). But still, the issue is you think that the score has too much influence because that is a primary display. Aren't you concerned that altering it will just push the influence in whichever new metric you introduce?
 
11:21 PM
@TravisJ it's a problem indeed, specially for someone new to the site, but with voting power, they want their compensation being a shiny little imaginary medal. What will they vote for? For the candidates with the best stats...
 
@Catija True. It would be great to get more, and more thorough, participation by people in voting. But, improving participation is something that nearly all democratic institutions struggle with. The substantial majority of people aren't going to, and don't want to, spend all that much time investigating candidates.
Having metrics allows those people to base a decision on something other than A) if they like the username, B) if they think the avatar is cute, or C) a brief scan of what the user writes about themselves (which is inherently biased), but also in which is quite difficult to cover any substantive issues.
At least in the past, during the actual voting (which, I suspect, is likely the first time most people even look at the election page), voters couldn't even easily see the comments which people had left on the nomination, and thus see who supports the candidate (which is something that people tend to give significant weight to), or what issues others have with the candidate.
 
@Vickel That is a much different facet of the issue, compensation for voting... A really good point to raise. Perhaps the compensation itself should be removed, or altered, so that only examination is rewarded instead of actually voting.
 
@TravisJ for example
 
Just give the badge for viewing the election page instead of actually interacting with it
 
@TravisJ of course. Which is why we're going to take at least six months to investigate before doing anything. 😉 this is an informal discussion to see what highly engaged people think of it but it's not on our schedule at this point.
 
11:24 PM
@TravisJ well that one already exists, if I'm not mistaken
 
@Makyen good point. We're trying to reduce content on voting pages at that cost. :(
 
Maybe split the badge into three parts? Nomination, Primary, Election. Give one for each view. It is perhaps going to be a contributing factor to uninformed voting to pay for votes.
 
@TravisJ I don't know, people should be happy to be able to vote and not need a "badge reward" to be incentivized
 
@Vickel I am just talking about views. I don't think there should be a badge rewards for voting, if that is what you were addressing?
 
11:30 PM
but it has been a tradition to get a badge when engaging to visit the election page and when you do a vote, so I'm not against it neither...
 
If voting isn't qualitative enough, then contributing factors to non qualitative votes should be removed where possible.
 
I'd much prefer users base their decision on whatever metric each individual finds important, whether it's one, or a dozen.
 
@TravisJ I agree, but well, this is a gamed platform and people like incentives
 
lot of truth to that @Vickel
 
anyway, lately the regulars of these "moderating" rooms got elected and I suppose the tradition will continue
 
11:34 PM
I had actually came here with an interest in reports, but I am out of time at this point
have a good Friday
 
^bye
 
11:46 PM
@Vickel There's a fairly extensive tradition of such candidates not being elected (prior to the last couple/few elections). For quite a while, the joking response was that participation in here, or at least mentioning that participation in your nomination, was a significant negative (and it definitely is, at least from the point of view of some users).
 
@Makyen I'm here for several years now, and followed the election of the "Maks" and the "tree" before that, so I don't see if participation here was negative to results. Anyway, whoever is moderating here or on other "moderating" chats has my preference of an vote, because I know how intensely they are involved
 
@Vickel I agree, participation in this type of room is something that I think weighs strongly in favor for a candidate. There are, however, users who are strongly opposed to SOCVR and other similar rooms.
 
@Makyen I didn't know/was not aware! Seriously there should start peace treaty discussion soon, if the there is that much of difference in opinion concerning moderating chats
 
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