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2:20 AM
 
@mickmackusa Just... delete the questions.
 
All in due course.
 
Use the tools to correct behavior.
 
Increasing awareness is also a priority for me. Because I do not enjoy babysitting. ...or trolling
Just got another 2-pack of revenge votes. I must be doing something right.
 
@mickmackusa :D
 
2:26 AM
I think you would have more success getting the roomba to prune questions that have more than X inbound duplicate links.
 
@Braiam I'd like that. Or I'd like the UI to allow delete votes when I pile 5 duplicates into the dupe list (regardless of vote tally).
 
@mickmackusa I really didn't like the multiple duplicate targets. Either the question is specific and a duplicate or it isn't.
 
In 2021, ~90% of basic questions are >= 5x duplicates.
 
Those 5 questions should be duplicate of a single one. Whichever of those 5.
 
Well, sometimes yes sometimes no. Sometimes the minutiae of two questions makes them suitable to close a less specific question (but between the two old questions they might be suffiiciently incapable to apply a dupe closure to one or the other). That said, I hear your stance generally.
I didn't bother to assess the 5 listed dupes. This curation task is sorely needed, but requires I high level of expertise and discipline and fairness. I have mentioned that it might be a good candidate for a new review queue. A queue where gold badgers can assess aggregated pages and vote on which questions should be merge, closed, deleted, etc.
 
3:00 AM
@bad_coder A problem preventing an IDE from running code doesn't sound like general computing
(at least to the extent that the question is how to configure the IDE not to do the thing causing the problem)
 
@mickmackusa trying to convince Gordon to do something to help reduce information entropy on SO is a Sisyphean task...
 
3:17 AM
@RyanM The problem isn't code or the IDE. It's user administration policy, that is general computing.
@RyanM question can be read as: How do I run a terminal without running it?
well ok, these days maybe there'd be a plugin or terminal emulator he could maybe run...
 
Does this question seem like help-desk?
 
4:02 AM
@bad_coder My interpretation is not that they want to run a terminal, they just want to run their code and get the output, which doesn't inherently require either powershell or CMD.exe (see the question cigien linked in the comments as an example) or any terminal. And it's not user administration policy: they're not asking how to configure the policy, they're asking how to use VSC. It might be a duplicate, though, and it seems like git bash might be one answer if VSC truly requires a terminal./
 
4:22 AM
@RyanM the question is: "how to run the code?" (At this point I'm inclined to ask if those computers have VSC installed, and if it's running?) But the simple answer would be: run it online (the tag-wiki will have resources for that). However, how do I run a debugger without access to a terminal? Chances being it won't run. So that's arguably an unfocused question.
 
I disagree that "run it online (i.e., without using VSC)" would be an answer to that question, and also disagree that it's unfocused (it's one single question, asking how to do one single thing). I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.
 
@RyanM I've read your MSE posts about simple broad questions. However, the question in question as written leaves us guessing. Is CMD available? Can applications be run on the machine? Is VSC running at all? Is it natively installed? Can anything be installed?
 
4:42 AM
@RyanM last but not least, is an interpreter installed?
 
5:27 AM
@bad_coder I have to agree with @RyanM here - it does not look like a general computing question to me too, but a question about launching an IDE debugger (I presume that by "running code" they mean the debugger), a programming tool. And with the edit from @RyanM it is definitely no longer a recommendation request. At maximum it can be closed as "needs details or clarity" but it is definitely a "how to" question.
@bad_coder no, it's not, sorry - I work with Apps Script and Google APIs a lot, and this is an important update - Google even sent notifications to every script author that can be affected based on their analysis of the APIs projects use (which is exactly what the OP is asking about), I got one too. The message is, indeed, a bit cryptic, and having a response from a GDE (Google Developer Expert) like DalmTo there is improtant. Granted, needs some care like formatting, but a valid Q&A regardless
 
@OlegValter And even so, I think most of the follow-up questions aren't required to answer the question of whether VS Code can be run without Powershell or CMD
 
I think so too (but they definitely improved the question) - at any rate I agree that the request should not be acted on
 
5:54 AM
@tripleee That has an accepted answer which contains a spammy link. The answer's not pure spam, but it's tempting to edit out the link.
 
good find, no other occurrences of that domain name anywhere though
 
@tripleee There are other answers referencing the same domain
 
@OlegValter I've answered 87 questions on the PyCharm tag so it's fair to say I know my way around an IDE. Another inherent problem of the question is that it doesn't have a specific language tag. VSC can be used with a plethora of languages, so the answers will depend on the installation requirements of each language...It's broad, to say the least.
And still, is VSC currently installed? Because that alone makes all the difference.
 
@DavidBuck hmm, I tried to search and I could not find any?
 
Because if the question is: "How do I run an IDE from an external drive on a system that doesn't allow running applications...?" I'm pending towards General Computing.
 
6:05 AM
@bad_coder I'd very much disagree. Questions about using software are only off-topic if they do not "directly involve tools used primarily for programming."
If the answer is "yes, but only for some languages" - that's an answer.
 
weird, neither stackexchange.com cross-site search nor google.com with site:stackoverflow.com found the others for me
 
@RyanM and that's the issue, the question as stated doesn't allow any narrowing. Does the computer allow launching VSC? Because if not you'll have to address general computing tools first.
 
@bad_coder It would be pretty strange to say that VSC can't run code specifically if you can't run VSC at all.
 
@RyanM I never make assumptions with first posters. Those questions can be pretty strange.
 
I think you need to give the asker some benefit of the doubt here that they haven't phrased the question in an actively misleading way.
At the very least it's not a general computing question, and should not be closed for that reason.
 
6:11 AM
(Tell me about it, I just spent 18 days straight on the First questions and answers queues. What a grind...)
 
There are many questions that say something like "here is my code, and it doesn't work" without specifying how exactly it doesn't work. Often it turns out OP hasn't actually ran the code. Or executed the function they've written. Or other similar things.
So, while I do not expect new posters to know nothing or similar, I do reserve my judgement of their knowledge until after they've demonstrated some understanding.
For the record, there are also excellent questions by new users.
 
If someone wrote a question that asked how to run an app from Android Studio without using a USB port because they spilled soda in them, I wouldn't mark their question unclear because they didn't say if they could actually use Android Studio in the first place because the soda might have also poured into other parts of the computer.
 
@RyanM Doesn't it depend whether or not the soda was clear or cloudy? Or are there dupe targets for different types of soda? /s
 
There must've been some change to MSO not so long ago (maybe a week or two). When you go to All Questions sorted by voting, two questions show up that weren't visible in that view before, "Warlords of Documentation" and "Time to take a stand". For a long time, Stocker's resignation post was the highest scoring, visible question there.
 
@VLAZ There's also another canonical for if the USB port that got the soda in it was actually an ethernet port, but they're the same width and you can get a USB plug into them.
(the number of times this has gotten me when trying to plug in cables blindly is...more than zero)
 
6:21 AM
@bad_coder did I imply you do not? No need to bring the argument from authority here :) My issue is with the general computing reason first and foremost - it is not one of them, IMO. It concerns being able to launch an app from an IDE in an env where shells are not available - something that falls into the category "software tools commonly used by programmers". This is reason enough to not enact the request. Methinks it is also pretty clear the OP's issue is "prevents VSC from running code"...
 
@VLAZ Some interaction in the comments is usually in order, but in this case I went for the prudential CV. I do understand other reviewers (cc @RyanM) can take a different approach, because the question can be interesting. But as is I'm making an educated guess the problem can't be solved without additional info.
@OlegValter not authority, sheer pleasure of having tackled those problems. (I say it out of the pleasure of having solved something.)
@JeanneDark probably caching.
 
Probably not
 
@bad_coder all I am saying is that it is orthogonal to the discussion about the question of whether or not the question about VSC is general computing or not :) I also disagree it is broad - what they likely need is a pointer to debugger configurations and that they can specify different runtimeExecutable fields per-app and that they are not limited to cmd or ps. The rest they can figure out themselves, methinks. This makes the question not broad too.
 
@OlegValter ahh, if only configuring an IDE were that easy...
 
6:32 AM
does not make it off-topic, though :)
 
Me thinks: time for Salmon, broccoli and rice. Good morning everyone o/
 
@ThierryLathuille Could you also add the reason why it should be deleted for del-pls requests? That would be helpful.
 
@bad_coder This isn't general computing. It's about how to setup Visual Studio Code without it requiring access to the command prompt or powershell. Nobody else but developers would do that.
It's a textbook case of "software tools commonly used by programmers" from What topics can I ask about here?
 
6:48 AM
@cigien I expected the title of the question to appear instead of the URL, which I thought would have been enough. I must have forgotten about the right way to format it... and can't find it in the FAQ right now. Do we have to do it manually, or can we have it replaced automatically?
 
it's deleted already anyway, so probably not worth the effort
the same guidance as for cv-pls requests applies; explain why it should be deleted, based on site policy
 
Specifically, I believe we have a policy that "No roomba" isn't sufficient explanation, but I can't find it (the cv-pls request generator forbids such requests, citing SOCVR policy).
 
Thanks, I agree. I'm still wondering about the link to the question though: is there a way to have the URL automatically replaced by the title of the question, or do we have to do it manually?
 
there is a chat plugin which does that on the client side
the chat interface by itself does not do anything like that, if that was what you hoped
 
Your best bet to do it automatically is probably the cv-pls request generator userscript, which will create the request for you with the title as the link text.
Per FAQ#28, could an RO (@Makyen ?) bin this request, as it now meets the requirements (three people have objected that it's not general computing)?
 
6:56 AM
... and the request generator is actually cited at the end of the FAQ, I should have read further! ;)
 
From the FAQ: "For del-pls requests: Indicate why the post should be deleted and not just remain closed or wait until the Roomba gets it; deletion is an exceptional act and should be treated as such."
Is this salvageable or recommendation?
 
@OlegValter ^ already requested about seven messages back
 
@tripleee sorry, went away for a while :) thanks!
 
@JeanneDark The question is making me hungry...
 
@VLAZ That's a custom close reason then? ;)
 
7:02 AM
"I'm voting to close this question because it makes me hungry"
 
@JeanneDark shoot, now I want a donut too...
 
@OlegValter Sorry, this is the internet. All we've got are cookies.
 
@RyanM and even those are blocked unless home-made...
 
:D
 
@RyanM it was closed and almost instantly reopened now
 
7:04 AM
More seriously, though I think it's OK-ish. It's asking how to do something with a library. The "please suggest some library will helps in doing this..." is superfluous. I wouldn't count it as a recommendation - it's still valid to answer with workarounds.
The sentence can be removed but I don't think it really needs to.
 
@VLAZ thanks
 
@tripleee heh, I don't think I've ever seen a close vote review and a reopen vote review simultaneously invalidated before
 
@tripleee and already nearly closed
 
7:17 AM
@karel respectfully disagree; preseed scripting questions should be tolerated here
hmpf, closed and answer downvoted
 
@Scratte wrong, in plain English that's not what the question states.
 
@bad_coder That is what I read.
 
@Scratte ahhh, like my broccoli today...Only upon closer inspection did I noticed imperfections.
 
7:35 AM
@tripleee VTR - One more reviewer vote is needed to reopen it.
 
@karel I already have, but since I answered, I am not allowed to post a reopen-pls
 
7:51 AM
@Makyen / RO: Please remove this request, as it has been actioned and reopened.
 
8:40 AM
Is the custom close reason box unusable for anyone else all of a sudden? Doesn't seem to be a userscript issue.
 
@RyanM I can type in it. But I've not tried submitting.
 
@Dharman maybe that just needed editing?
 
@VLAZ Well, that's better than what I'm seeing.
(only on SO/MSO)
 
@Dharman RO please remove this request
 
@RyanM no repro. maybe some extension is messing with it?
 
8:50 AM
I'm also using Firefox Nightly, so it could be a browser-side change
Thanks for checking! I'll poke around more tomorrow if it's still broken.
 
Maybe A/B testing gone wrong?
 
9:08 AM
guys what does that mean that I am 104/250 to reviewer badge but 134/1000 till steward? This somehow makes no sense to me :)
 
@Ruli you have performed 104 reviews and you will get the badge when you reach 250, or are you asking how these two badges are related?
 
yes these are related, for same review queue, ofc I know what 104/250 means :)
 
and you looked up the same review type for both?
 
@Ruli Did you perhaps review 1030 questions in First Posts? meta.stackexchange.com/q/369396/165261 ...err, my math might be wrong there, but it's almost certainly related to the carryover feature
 
@RyanM first post reviews count towards first question/first answer steward badges? if so then yes, it makes sense
 
9:18 AM
Yep
they also count toward reviewer, if you didn't earn it already (which you did) - the rules are complicated and explained in that post
 
oh right, the question mark showed the truth :) I'll check the post. I don't spend my whole days reviewing but when I have time I do, so I have noticed a little bit late :) Thanks for linking me there.
 
9:43 AM
^the editor allowed that question?
 
@SurajRao more likely question body was initially filled with some garbage made to push it through quality filter and then edited out to senseless dots in grace period. There is a feature request at MSE that could help catch this kind of abuse
 
9:59 AM
@gnat garbage switched out with dots would still be garbage. I don't see the point of it... Only OP knows
 
10:43 AM
stackoverflow.com/q/69186907/1841839 <--- should this be closed? If so as what? I have spent all morning trying to figure it out.
 
11:55 AM
Morning
 
12:06 PM
is this NAA?
 
@SurajRao I think it attempts to answer the question or at least looks like it does (title: "Should I copy controller, or use artisan:make controller?"). I'm not sure any flag is appropriate for it.
 
@DaImTo you are far too kind :) The user needs a full lecture on 3-legged and 2-legged OAuth before they will understand your responses. Probably "needs details or clarity". They also seem to be trying to decode an opaque token used to call APIs obtained at the end of the implicit flow as if it were a JWT id token...
 
This question about tests is not really on-topic, is it?
 
Asking for programing terms seem okay to me.
 
Ok, thought it was perhaps not enough about programming and more about software engineering.
 
12:20 PM
Questions asking for the name of something sit a bit in a borderline. Better assess in a case by case basis.
 
@JeanneDark I would say it more an software engineering Q as well, but it should still be okay here as long as it is clear and not opinionated.
 
thanks
 
Someone posted smtp credentials in a post. I laughed. I emailed the company about a security breach. Today is a good day.
 
lol. At least you've got you good dead of the day in already :)
 
1:18 PM
so happy google has a dark theme now
10+ years late
 
@TylerH How do you enable it?
 
I just went there and searched for something
it popped up above all the results
 
Does it search the Dark Net?
 
that'd be nice
 
you mean Google search has dark theme?
 
1:23 PM
@Dharman yes
 
maybe it's not rolled out yet globally
 
@Dharman Have to use a Google account and be logged in. It's not 100% available yet, either
 
2:18 PM
Would you consider this as "programming related"? stackoverflow.com/questions/69161130/…
 
@MrUpsidown It's a customer service question. Closed now as such
 
@Machavity thank you.
 
2:45 PM
@Calculuswhiz So, we dropped all pretenses
 
@Braiam at least they are honest about it :)
 
lmao
 
4:00 PM
The blue "Thank-you for reviewing..." banner seems to be coming and going at random, of late. However, I just had one that gave the actual number (33) of reviews, rather than one of the fixed (20 or 40) values. And it also has that actual value in the summary page: we should be thankful for small gifts?
 
@AdrianMole hmm interesting
I'm reviewing right now; we'll see if I get it at the end
 
@AdrianMole Isn't the limit dynamic?
 
nope, no message upon completion
 
4:20 PM
For finishing 40 reviews? I haven't been getting those for several days now.
 
@Braiam Yeah. But, previously, the message would only show 20 or 40 (depending on the current limit). So, even if you had reviewed 40 posts in a queue, when that queue then went below the limit, the message in your summary page would show, "Thank-you for reviewing 20 posts..."
@TylerH Like I said, it's been coming and going a lot. Most queues today just silently ended (no blue banner at all, at all).
 
5:13 PM
@AdrianMole Probably it now takes into account how many reviews have you done instead of the current limit.
 
@Braiam Exactly - that's what I said.
 
5:25 PM
@AdrianMole Oh, ok. My first message was about the system not knowing if it should show you the message or not depending of the size of the queue. Some race condition.
 
@AdrianMole yeah, I'm curious how it could break so badly
 
Well, they're clearly working on the UI currently, so I guess we can expect a few hiccoughs.
... as one bug is fixed, another two rear their ugly heads?
 
5:43 PM
I'm still in awe that they are testing on prod
 
One the one hand I am not, because everyone does it, on the other hand they definitely have the tools and the size (and in the past I would've said the skills) to test quite easily in a test environment or dev, at least
 
could be caching?
 
Nah, I've been experiencing this issue for at least a week
 
Ah, i assumed due to the "testing in production" bit that you were talking about something new
 
@pkamb This does not appear to meet SOCVR's recent activity requirement for cv-pls requests. If there's other activity which doesn't show on the question page or timeline (e.g. a mention somewhere, used to justify some other question, etc., please tell me.
 
8:14 PM
 
 
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9:44 PM
 
@TylerH That's what I was expecting, staged deployment.
Meta first, then some sites, then all sites.
 
Need help to identify the root cause : stackoverflow.com/questions/69200159/…
sorry wrong room 😬
 
@Makyen I get a "video unavailable" message following your link (so, good thing I am watching it already, I guess)
 
@desertnaut that's makes 2 of us.
 
Strange. I also got "video unavailable", yet it was the URL listed in another tab as what I was currently watching. I've changed it to the YouTube "share" link, which works for me.
 
Check the channel instead then youtube.com/channel/UCtI0Hodo5o5dUb67FeUjDeA
 
@Braiam it's working. @Makyen bah, "first all civilian flight" if there's not a member of the military onboard it's not exciting :)
@desertnaut ^^ use Braiam's method, it works!
 
10:19 PM
For me both were working, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I edited the message, more than once. I'm seeing significantly inconsistent results with URLs direct to the video, with even the same URL linked from different pages resulting randomly in "video unavailable" or the live stream.
 
That's interesting, would means they have different URLs probably depending on geolocation to guarantee QoS.
 
 
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