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12:36 AM
@Makyen whatever you do, DO NOT post a question at SO!!! :D
 
 
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2:01 AM
@desertnaut Yeah, that would be a bad idea, given that it's certainly off-topic. :)
 
 
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3:53 AM
desperately gets on SO chat, thirsty for humans from a close-by timezone Why's everyone in Europe, srsly.
 
4:28 AM
@FĂ©lixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier because it is awesome here ...
 
We have waffles here in Europe. Why would we want to be anywhere else?
 
4:57 AM
Is this closeworthy? NATO
 
5:45 AM
@DavidBuck This question may have issues, but it's not general computing. Note that they discuss their code, the permissions they've added for the app, the fact that they've debugged the application: they're definitely the author of the code.
 
6:01 AM
@RyanM I was going from the phrase "the connection was firing before reaching the entry points of my code on either side" - this suggests an issue with the hardware/OS as the problem isn't related to their code.
 
6:48 AM
Could this be considered an answer? With the link's name enough to say it suggests using "Dynamic EclipseLink JPA"?
 
 
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8:53 AM
@mickmackusa They indeed can't because they are unregistered
 
@JeanneDark righto. I knew it was something like that. I think cigien said this to me a couple days ago.
I cannot vote to close the Unclear question because I hammered inappropriately and reopened.
 
@mickmackusa If it's the "This is an", you can edit that in or edit to to say not to include it.. and bingo, it's clear.
 
We shouldn't make assumptions about the OP's requirements @Scratte (or I would and I'd post my superior answer).
Flag this post as Not An Answer? stackoverflow.com/a/69165370/2943403
 
@mickmackusa definitely link-only NAA
 
@mickmackusa Since they're not allowed to invalidate an Answer, they only have that option anyway. So yes, in this case you must make that assumption.
Which it seems you also did by the comments on the Answer.. no?
 
9:08 AM
@Scratte the question is unsalvageable for curators in my opinion. The title is in conflict with the code and the code with the desired output. No?
 
No.. that's just an edit away. This is why the site is community edited, isn't it? To clarify and improve posts.
 
But we can't confidently know which way to "improve it".
boo @RyanM
 
Personally, I'd include the first sentence in the output, since the Java implementation clearly has it. It looks like an oversight on the part of the poster. Sort of like a typo. And ask the answerer to update for that.
 
@mickmackusa Check the markdown diff on my edit to see why I changed it: stackoverflow.com/posts/69201007/revisions
 
You did not "polish" the page. You changed the desired result.
 
9:11 AM
I fixed a common code-formatting error: putting the first line of the output on the same line as the backticks, rather than having the backticks on their own line.
 
@RyanM Yes!.. It was a typo :) Thank you for noticing that :)
 
ah, I see the source now.
 
I didn't actually add the missing line: it was already there. Which, per my message, is shown in the Markdown diff :-)
I did, arguably, change the meaning of confusing/unclear/arguably wrong title. But once the typo was fixed, the intent was clear.
 
@mickmackusa please retract my cv-pls I'm gonna answer the question.
 
@mickmackusa That cv-pls is also not valid in this room as per rule 15
 
9:15 AM
@tripleee ^ mine too then
 
@Scratte Which part of the giant block of #15 did I violate? Is repairing an inappropriate hammer by reopening meant to prevent me from seeing curation done?
 
"You are "involved" in any post for which you have voted in a successful action to change the state of the post to the same state for which you are considering posting a request"
 
@Scratte If you mean because it was previously closed, I think arguably the fact that the poster was the sole close and reopen voter (because they mishammered it) sort of moots the reasoning for that rule.
Could always ask for an RO ruling, but I personally don't think this should count.
 
@RyanM Perhaps not. I'm pedantic, so.. :)
 
You will find that I am very happy to NOT answer closable questions. I am not asking for assistance in opening a page so that I can answer. I am falling back to answering this question after it is clarified that it must no be closed.
 
9:19 AM
also cc @Makyen for the two RO cleanup requests above
 
I would be ironic if the Answer is posted and the request is honored in the time it takes to remove the request :D
 
@Scratte that's why you're supposed to @ping the ROs when you want something removed ;-)
 
The last active Room Owner could be taking a nap.
 
I mean...yes, but it makes it more likely to be handled quickly :-)
 
 
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10:47 AM
@Shree @Makyen / RO please bin this request . OP edit the question.
 
 
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11:51 AM
now which one is the original question here :p
 
@SurajRao Yikes...well, the first-posted answer answered the original revision, so I pick that one.
 
@SurajRao Revision 2 was the one when the Answers came in.
 
One of the answers doesnt look like it answers this one
I mod flagged
 
Hmm.. I may be mistaken that it's actually the first one.
 
Yeah I think they're answering different questions, but...yeah, that's a mess.
 
11:55 AM
@Scratte I was refering to useHistory answer
 
@SurajRao Yes.. that is one giant mess :(
But it looks like it's answering the first revision with the dropdown question.
 
yeah... active class doesnt match the first one. You are right
 
\o
 
So.. it looks like one answers the first revision and the other answers the second revision :(
 
12:02 PM
Yeppppp. Mods'll have to sort that one out.
 
I think it's just going to get nuked..
 
@RyanM @NathanOliver there are a couple RO binning requests just above this message of mine, could you grab them?
 
Thanks!
 
that should do it
np
 
12:22 PM
@tripleee Should we really be deleting this? It's off-topic, but it seems like the best source of this useful info on SE. (flagged for consideration of a lock of some sort)
 
12:34 PM
@RyanM hmmmm, maybe let's don't
@tripleee RO please remove this del-pls as discussed here ^
 
@tripleee advisable to ping an RO or they might not see it (@NathanOliver)
 
thanks both
 
12:58 PM
@NathanOliver 1 more
 
Maybe it's about time for bin-pls requests for a script that sends them to /dev/null instead of the Graveyard ;)
 
1:20 PM
@Machavity one more RO binning request here - also, out of curiosity, was my comment on that question you just locked actually deleted in response to the unfriendly flag?
 
@RyanM Looks like it. Was auto-deleted. Not sure why
 
Weird. Must've tripped a keyword filter. Thanks.
What should be done about an answer posted to a question that was edited into a different question, when there are answers to both variants of the question?
 
Maybe edit the question to contain both questions so no answer is invalidated, then close it as "needs more focus"
 
1:37 PM
Weird question: are accounts ever auto-nuked (e.g. if they're low-rep and have several red flags upheld against their account)?
 
Not that I know of. Accounts have to be deleted by a diamond or a dev, and that's a separate process from deleting posts
 
@JeanneDark that's not a bad idea, although in this particular case the question is currently locked due to the user's attempts to edit it into a third different question...
 
I'm reluctantly suggesting a mod flag because when the question's locked, there's not much a user can do. Downvoting the answer because it doesn't answer the question seems unfair. But you could leave a comment on the answer explaining the situation.
 
@RyanM no there are already 5 in revision history
only first two got answers though
 
1:45 PM
I think it's actually only 4 (the rest are rollbacks), but you're right, I did miss one...
 
@RyanM That's a mess. What needs to be done is you rollback to the original question and let both posters that there needs to be a separate question
 
@Machavity Should the answer to the second question be flagged for moderator attention?
 
@RyanM Yeah, it can't stay. Just don't downvote them
 
Thanks, done.
 
^ answer is likely spam. Not sure
 
2:05 PM
@JeanneDark At least in the past, having a bot perform bins and archiving, or any privileged activity, has been something which has been decided against.
Even if we implemented a bot or userscript to automate it, we wouldn't have the script bin messages unless doing so was requested by the user who posted the message. While there are times when it takes longer than desired for an RO to see a request for something to be binned and act on it, the longest delays are when no RO is pinged by the user who posted the message, or where the request to bin is ambiguous as to which message they desire to have binned (e.g. when the ping is not a reply).
Something that might be more acceptable to everyone involved would be a way to notify, not necessarily ping, all of the active ROs in a way which brought the request to their attention, perhaps with also automatically clearing the notification if the request was handled by another RO.
However, any automated solution requires development time, which isn't something which is in large supply.
 
@Makyen I agree. It was not a very serious suggestion, more of a reaction to the relatively high number of requests to have other requests binned.
 
@RyanM When will Java add named arguments?
 
@Dharman We can dream...and use Kotlin :-)
 
@VLAZ oooh, that's the original divide! pancakes vs waffles
 
TBF I eat pancakes more often than waffles.
 
3:17 PM
@E_net4 To be honest, me too.
But it's not the weird thing they call pancakes across the pond.
I like the thin ones you can roll into a tasty treat.
 
i... don't like pancakes. it's not flavor or anything like that, I just don't feel great after eating them
 
@bad_coder OP edited question, please moved to dev/null@Machavity
 
 
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I found a user that has a total of 1 question and one (non-self) answer. Each of them have an upvote very soon after being posted. 15 seconds and 12 seconds apart. Is it worth flagging to be investigated for voting fraud or perhaps wait because the evidence is a bit slim? The posts are both from Monday this week and there doesn't seem to have been more activity since.
 
each of them?
ah
reading comprehension
been struggling to read lately, maybe it's covid
 
@VLAZ Were they a "good" Q and A? I swear it seems like some posts get upvoted just because they formatted the Q correctly and it doesn't need any editing.
 
No. Not bad, either but nothing I'd think deserves an upvote within 15 seconds or less of posting.
 
@KevinB Maybe you have novid ;)
 
6:32 PM
Found a bit more info that makes the profile more suspicious. I'm writing a flag.
 
@NathanOliver norid
 
In fact, should my cv-pls request be flagged as abusive?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica No. That would likely get declined. Closure is appropriate
 
^ agreed
 
> 7 years
 
6:41 PM
Good to know... I wasn't sure about that one.
 
7:07 PM
Heh, started writing the flag and was finding more and more oddities. While explaining all of them, suddenly the user went missing. And another different account that also seemed linked lost a bunch of rep from "User was deleted".
I'd like to thank the mods for reading my mind, so I didn't have to write all of this out.
 
7:24 PM
Was your flag marked "anticipated to be helpful"?
 
7:38 PM
@VLAZ Probably showed up on one of the mod tools. Another mod just deleted a bunch of socks for various users so... great minds? ;)
 
8:26 PM
Do we have a process to get rid of tags even when they're kind of popular? I keep wondering whether e.g. should actually live here, I have yet to see a single tmux-question that I'd regard as being programming related.....
 
i mean, isn't that a tool that is pretty much only used by programmers for programming
 
Vodka is a tool used extensively by many programmers I know ... but that doesn't mean we need .
 
@KevinB tmux? No, as far as I'm concerned it's primarily used by sysadmins or power users to not loose long-running processes when a network connection drops.
@AdrianMole =D
 
@tink Although, I have actually scored an upvote in the "vodka" tag. :-)
 
"How much vodka do I need to write X?"
 
8:38 PM
Sounds like an XY problem.
 
@AdrianMole LOL
@VLAZ opinion based ;)
 
@tink Surely there is a Ballmer peak for many different programming tasks.
 
LOL
 
9:04 PM
@VLAZ have you ever tried to titrate to the Ballmer peak? I've tried for years in various tasks (especially music) with limited success. My quest is ongoing
 
9:15 PM
Halo Great People? ... as the first line of a new question. (Love the terminal question mark!)
 
@AdrianMole 'Allo 'Allo!
 
@AdrianMole Just saw that question in the queue myself
 
It clearly has an aura of greatness.
 
10:03 PM
Having to call customer service at places always puts in a bad mood... someone have some spam I can flag or something? That always helps.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I will do something better, imagine how bad it's for the one taking the call when several people that don't have spam to flag call.
 
There's that.
I hopefully wasn't too cranky with them... I prefer to take out my frustration on spam instead.
 

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