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12:25 AM
@klutt Congratulations. You only have 1.8k more to go to get the all-important :) access to site analytics privilege.
 
 
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3:08 AM
Reckon this is NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/7550099/2943403 ...should have been a closevote right?
 
3:34 AM
@mickmackusa Yeah, the answer appears to be NAA; it's just a bunch of links. I don't know if the question is a duplicate; that depends on whether any one of the links would work as a target (and not a RTFM target). I'm generally averse to closing "how-to" questions as dupes of multiple targets.
 
4:11 AM
Hi, I am rather newbie. I provided answer on stackoverflow. Then, I get reply, problem solved. But my answer or question is not voted up. This happened the last two times
Ok, I think that is just how it is. I did not want to disturb.
 
@sidcoder Users are not required to upvote or accept an answer. However, it is the prefer convention to upvote answers that are helpful and accept the "best" answer that resolves the question.
@sidcoder My advice is: Don't be motivated by earning any points -- you will be disappointed/demotivated if you do. People that are motivated by points often develop habits that are not beneficial to Stack Overflow (like speed-answering and answering questions that should be closed). Ultimately, just be helpful and insightful -- the points will come.
 
@mickmackusa OK. 1st time, user answered with thanks. 2nd time, I solved a major problem in the answer, and an additional problem in the comment. And then it worked.
@mickmackusa: thanks. As I am new, I needed some points in the beginning. I like to help really. Thanks for your reply again.
 
@sidcoder I have hundreds of answers where I believe my answer is superior to all other answers on the page (sometimes provable, sometimes my subjective opinion) and my answer gets no upvotes and not accepted. Sometimes answers worse than mine are accepted because the OP doesn't know a good answer from a bad answer. This used to really bother me, but not anymore. Please read: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/354584/2943403
 
@mickmackusa in aussieland . Just read you are great in php. Any chance to use php in real-time multiplayer (w streams or sockets)? Was my big question today. But deleted it (no answers)
@mickmackusa BTW, isn't there just a normal simple chat room on stackoverflow - where you can talk about some arbitrary things?
 
@sidcoder I don't think that there is anything on the internet that says that I am "great in php". Don't let my unicorn points fool you, I am just a junior developer and I doubt I will ever call myself "senior". There is php chat room here too. Sorry I am at work so I must put my focus elsewhere.
 
@mickmackusa sorry, but the biggest keyword (top tag) on your so account is --> php.
@sidcoder yeah right, there is just the problem to call yourself a junior when you are pretty old
@mickmackusa sorry just swapped the names :o)) Enjoy work!
 
4:48 AM
I tried not getting old, I could not prevent it.
 
@mickmackusa Closing that question as a duplicate of the question you linked would be a travesty. That Q&A doesn't help anyone resolve their own problem, it merely says what is in the manual, which is that the variable supplied to foreach needs to be iterable, where the actual problem is that variable contains something which is not iterable because of a problem in some other piece of OPs code. Worse yet half the answers just suggest casting/converting the variable to an array!
 
What to do this type of answer? 10 +year old, no recent activity, link only answer but the link is dead. Hesitate to flag as a link-only answer because it's highly upvoted.
20 K del pls request is not allowed in the room if the answer has a positive score.
 
@Shree you could go to waybackmachine and find old link content (maybe)
@Shree I just wanted to look at the link - and clicked besides on upvote triangle - was a bit to quick. No I can only upvote or downvote? (really bad)
 
5:09 AM
@Shree I don't think there's any issue with raising a custom flag. The upvotes were probably cast while the link was working.
 
@Shree Ok, found content in waybackmachine and added link to answer.
@cigien link is working again
 
@Nick I have no problem with anyone proposing another duplicate. I personally voted Needs Debugging Details.
 
@sidcoder Thanks for suggesting the edit. However, that would still be a link only answer, and not very useful. e.g. the link could stop working again, and it's not feasible to keep updating it. Answers need to be self-contained, and useful even without the link. This answer doesn't really qualify.
 
Perhaps, if that old page is not helpful to anyone, then it should be released from Stack Overflow.
 
@cigien Don't understand what makes you think that stackoverflow could longer exist than waybackmachine. It probably exists both to the end of internet days. Anyway, any link could stop working at any time. But that sjould not stop us from putting links on stackoverflow, or am I wrong.
 
5:20 AM
@sidcoder There's nothing wrong with adding links. However, they need to be relevant to the question being answered, and the answer should be useful even if the link stops working. If both those things are satisfied, then links are fine.
 
@sidcoder I doubt you find much support in this room for keeping link-only answers. We actively seek out link-only answers and flag them as part of our curation routines. Stack Overflow wants to be the final destination, not a traffic routing service.
 
@cigien sorry I was a bit funny.
@mickmackusa no problem. I trust you. One day you tell me about your non-voted answers. And I vote them all up as much as i can, and never get used to it. Wich you al the best!
 
@sidcoder nah. I don't care about points anymore and if you upvote too many of my answers you may get banned for voting abuse.
 
 
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8:20 AM
 
@mickmackusa OK
 
 
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10:50 AM
That question got an upvote
 
@JeanneDark yeah. It is awesome that they are testing the SE api. +1 from me ....
 
Does this qualify as a typo? stackoverflow.com/q/66312769 ? OP seems to have mistranscribed some binary
 
@JeanneDark probably testing voting as well as the suspension features used by moderators ...
 
@khelwood No, I don't think that qualifies.
 
10:58 AM
@rene Some other close reason perhaps? "You fail at binary" doesn't seem worthy of an answer, nor useful to any future reader.
 
I was hoping a duplicate would exist?
 
@rene I guess if there is a plain "how to understand binary" canonical somewhere. I haven't found one.
 
@khelwood how about this one?
 
@rene The OP's problem isn't performing & wrong; it's that they got the binary for 12 wrong.
 
Hmm. Okay
 
11:18 AM
@rene Perfect. I already retracted a vote so I can't hammer it.
 
Re my cv-pls request, they undeleted their question.
 
11:34 AM
@JeanneDark let's see if a del-pls helps ...
that worked ...
 
 
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mck
12:40 PM
My close vote on this question was disputed in the comments. Any thoughts?
 
@mck What would make it more focused and why?
 
mck
@Dharman It could be more focused by showing what was the specific problem in parsing the XML string in the dataframe.
 
Then you can comment that and ask for these details.
If the closure is disputed then it will go into reopen review queue and there is nothing that this room can do other than to offer some guidance.
 
mck
@Dharman Thank you, I understand.
 
We are not judges in a dispute court. If you need more opinions from other SMEs then there's always Meta
Also, I am not being rude or impolite, I just really do not want to be involved in disputes
 
12:57 PM
 
Morning
 
Good Morning from my afternoon.
 
1:25 PM
What does that "Luncheon meat detected" mean?
 
@NathanOliver Thanks. The luncheon meat being a nickname for spam?
 
Yeah. Spam is also a type of lunch meat
 
Why is the linked question under this question not shown in the linked questions list?
(is this a known bug?) I can find some about edited comment, but not this one.
Perhaps because the link is HTTP?
... Looks like there have been several similar reports as well. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/313113/… Never mind.
 
1:47 PM
Is this a duplicate of questions asking how to modify class instances of a class object?
 
@Machavity Is this your sock-puppet? stackoverflow.com/users/2556080/vikramraj
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@Dharman That Engineer's a Spy!
 
@Dharman That's my sentry gun ;)
 
2:37 PM
Does a user persistently removing code (or trying to) from answers warrant a mod flag? Here is the fourth attempt.
 
@AdrianMole SPAM or vandalism is the right choice, because the system will hand out a auto-suspension or automatically raise a flag or something. If the user really tried editing it as many times as said in the edit summary, I'd check the prior proposed edits history and probably report in the bad edits room if it were open.
 
I've reviewed (and rejected) three attempts by that user today. There seem to have been four, according to the profile (which is also a bit on the rude side).
 
@AdrianMole Yes, moderators can ban users from suggesting edits IIRC
 
2:46 PM
@Nick I've left a comment for the user. If I see any more attempts, I'll raise a mod flag.
 
@AdrianMole ok, of the 4 attempts 3 were "defacing". What is interesting is that you have some of the most prominent SO reviewers all choosing the wrong option, probably trying to be forgiving with the user. If they had chosen the right option the system would probably have issued an auto-suspension by now.
 
I'm not sure that the "reason" is taken into account in terms of automatic edit suspensions. However, I can see why the earlier reviewers (including myself) used 'softer' options.
 
@AdrianMole I see a number of things wrong there. The edits are incorrect (edits shouldn't "fix" code in posts) but this suggestion is flat out rude
 
@Machavity Fortunately (for me), that was the one I didn't review. :-)
... had I seen it, I would have been alerted to the problem much earlier.
 
The other reviewers got that one right, thankfully
 
2:57 PM
I would have considered the "fourth attempt" linked above by Adrian rude as well
the edit description at least
combined with the fact it is the 4th attempt at defacing someone's post after being told no 3 times... seems pretty rude to me
 
The fourth one was mod flaggable for sure. That edit message is confrontational and indicates a lack of understanding
 
@Machavity please be forgiving of the users, the 4 attempts were over a 24 hour period so it's not like the user was compulsive. Most likely the user just doesn't know any better.
 
Well, I guess you're on the case now ... and my comment should given some indication of protocol.
 
@bad_coder Where's the /s?
 
Look at the user's "About me!"
 
2:59 PM
@bad_coder The fourth one, in isolation, would probably just have warranted a mod message. Combined with the first, we have something more serious
 
I'm more concerned about the one that got an approve :p
 
3:17 PM
@Machavity I know you're the right guy to finish an issue like this, as you said during the elections. But society in general is an aggressive place, I see the user's attitude typical of someone who needs an example in courtesy and kindness even more than just as a stern warning. And I like to think Machavity is the right guy on a broad range of human issues :)
 
3:37 PM
this can be an answer?
 
@user15070659 I would say that according to this answer, the question is Not reproducible or was caused by a typo
 
Can this answer be salvaged? It's not in English but seems close to code only. One reviewer even chose "No action needed."
 
Not really. Too many non-English instructions
 
@JeanneDark Gone now, but IMO no, even if it was mostly code, I had no idea from that what I was meant to do with the code
 
Thanks!
 
3:43 PM
Now I wonder what @Nick normally does with code ...
 
Depends on the flavour
 
BRB, bolting PHP code onto C#. For science
 
@Tomerikoo thanks
 
@Machavity well, there was /is IronRuby and IronPython but thankfully PHP never made it near the .Net eco-system, AFAIK.
 
5:10 PM
Does this question need details or clarity or is it something more sinister?
 
@JeanneDark It doesn't need any more details in my opinion.
It's a very clear advertisement
 
Vietnamese + bunch of links == spam
 
It translates to "Let's check out the latest gimbal models from gimbaltop1. A website that provides reputable anti-vibration equipment"
 
@Yatin To be clear, any foreign language, not just Vietnamese, could indicate spam when it is accompanied by lots of links :-) (just in case anyone reading the transcript later wonders whether a specific language is getting singled out)
Heck, even English posts could fall under that umbrella
 
@TylerH Of course...
 
6:03 PM
 
6:14 PM
The truth is @SmokeDetector never detect smoke
 
@user15070659 Well, try setting fire to the S.E. Inc. main servers and see what happens. ;-P
 
@AdrianMole we have a kingless @Queen too 😏
 
@user15070659 You forget about King Petter the Great Grate.
 
What happens again to male bees? ;)
 
They just buzz off?
 
6:24 PM
@user15070659 SmokeDetector (SD) has two goals: 1) detect/report all spam, and 2) not autoflag false positives. In order to accomplish (1) (or at least get close), invariably there will be a significant number of false positives reported. Overall, SD runs at about 62% TP. On SO, SmokeDetector is substantially worse than that at 42.6% TP, which tends to be largely due to code and/or code that's not in code format. OTOH, anyway you cut it it is massively better than just looking at random posts.
 
Looking at random posts is what I'm doing ;)
 
How would I recognize a post as being random?
But Smoke Detector has other uses...
!!/blame
 
@AdrianMole It's sideshowbarker's fault.
 
Q.E.D.
 
Cough Quantum electrodynamics Cough
 
6:30 PM
quite easily deniable
 
Quiet Extraordinary, Darling
 
 
7:07 PM
@Makyen So what you're saying is we could make SD a smashing success by the 1st metric by simply flagging every single post (e.g. not worrying about the 2nd metric) :-)
 
@TylerH For the first one, all you'd have to do is report every post. For the second one, just autoflag nothing. :)
 
Ohh boy here I go flagging again
 
7:38 PM
I am the author of that bot. Sometime back in 2020 after a successful Beta run I asked SOBotics ROs if I could run the bot there. The idea was to let other people view the reports as quickly as possible. There's always someone in SOBotics, but usually if we want to close these questions as soon as possible it results in a CV-PLS request posted in here. The bot runs under DharmanBot account.
It reports NELQA questions in SOBOtics, but I also have a personal tracker attached to it that reports in another room. The rate of TP/FP for the last 7 days was 105/18 (~85%) https://docs.google.com/spr
 
@Dharman Yes the bot is good not an overwhelming amount and the reports are very easy to evaluate. One solution if you have dev time is that SOCVR allows user to send reports to SOCVR when there is little presence is SOBotics (similar to what I asked for Heat Detector), hence a user send command similar to tp socvr and the bot post the cv-pls request here
 
@NathanOliver Ha! Hilarious.
 
8:57 PM
:)
 
11:53 PM
@NathanOliver that was solved with the patent for the toilet paper roll which explained the right way to do it :-)
 

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