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12:17 AM
 
1:12 AM
@tink good candidate for a migration to SU/U&L if any moderators are about
 
1:22 AM
Weird - I thought the CVs on that would have migrated it.
 
It has to be unanimous
 
1:52 AM
Do you see this revision page entirely? stackoverflow.com/posts/66325420/revisions
 
Not migrating it is probably a good thing™
 
2:10 AM
Fair enough
 
 
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3:37 AM
@RyanM @Makyen or other RO, please bin this - the OP has fixed it
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
Allo allo. Apparently one cannot VTC a question with an open bounty! Am I imagining things or is this python question: stackoverflow.com/questions/66111803/… not just a request for work? It has a single line of code and multiple questions within the body.
 
@mickmackusa I'm on the fence generally, but if you decide to flag it, definitely go with a custom flag explaining that it's entirely copy-pasted and not an NAA flag, since it does answer the question...but I'd maybe just close that whole question as a dupe...
@QHarr eh, it seems to boil down to "get all posts/threads a user has participated in" (I skimmed it). Could use some editing but I think there's a focused question there somewhere...
 
@RyanM does a single line of code qualify it as a question with effort then? Or are there different rules in this circumstance? I think they probably have done work on it; certainly they have thought it through, but it came across to me a bit like a work specification. Am I just being too harsh?
 
@QHarr The "effort" involved is enough to define the problem, rather than to solve it themselves: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/260909/208273
 
@RyanM Thanks :-) That is helpful.
 
 
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7:07 AM
is this NAA?
 
The question is a bit broad: "Anyone ever have this issue or maybe an idea why it happens?"
 
7:36 AM
@SurajRao it feels like a "me to" answer, hence NAA
 
ok flagged
thanks
 
8:01 AM
@Machavity I'm curious as to how this came up for deletion, I presume my delete vote aged away a long time ago. It's interesting that it had a steady stream of upvotes to take it from -6 to +1.
 
@Nick the ratio is -8/+9
its over 2 years old.. accumulated over time..
 
@SurajRao yeah, but it was at -6, the last 7 votes have all been upvotes... I find that unusual
 
@Nick According to timeline its not all at once...
 
8:23 AM
@DoubleExpresso no, it doesn't reder correctly for me either
 
8:51 AM
is this NAA? or an attempt?
 
@SurajRao Dunno if it's NAA, but the questions is a typo
 
@SurajRao there is an highly upvoted similar looking answer so I think it could go as an answer but I'm not an SME so that new answer and the upvoted one might both be missing the point.
 
9:09 AM
@rene yeah I missed the self answer.
 
 
10:05 AM
@tripleee Thank you. I found out that it is due to the extra long file name in the code part. The rendering is OK in 'side-by-side' view
 
What is the close reason what someone copypastas a snippet that they found elsewhere on SO, then expect volunteers to extend the functionality for them? stackoverflow.com/q/66328418/2943403
 
@Zoe Yes, thank you! I also hope the resolution is for soon
 
10:21 AM
@mickmackusa ah Stack Overflow Driven Development. I voted as needs focus
 
@mickmackusa Does it comply with 'no attribution' flag criteria?
I voted needs debugging details
 
11:00 AM
 
@Yatin I kind of expected to hear the Martians to be applauding and cheering for that landing but that is not how it works, right? Kind of a tough crowd ... ;)
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don't think we got an invitation from martians @rene
 
Well, that might be true but they didn't ask us to leave on the previous party either ...
 
11:55 AM
yeah well OP forgot to add the spam link it seems..
 
12:06 PM
Is this an answer or a new question?
 
if it is an answer.. code as image would probably make it NAA ?
but the actual text still seems to be a question
 
@SurajRao I don't think code as image is reason to flag. It's a reason for a downvote and a comment. Anyway, it is quite literally a question, so I flagged it
 
Thanks!
 
12:26 PM
 
12:54 PM
 
Morning
 
morning
 
1:09 PM
@Tomerikoo I asked and a mod answered: "that's 'very low quality', provided the contents of the image should have been posted as text."
 
1:32 PM
@Nick There was a flag noting it was a duplicate answer. Delete votes never expire
 
@rene Well, the Martians were there but they weren't cheering
 
2:09 PM
In context of "[username] tag is in the process of being burninated", is this question on topic?
 
I would leave it
 
2:56 PM
Out of CV for a day...^^^
 
mck
3:10 PM
Is this an answer or not?
 
@mck Yes. Not a good one, but it's an answer...
 
dear reviewers, how to deal with this ?
 
4:13 PM
@user15070659 The question is asking for help with using a tool for the purpose of programming, so I think it's on-topic.
 
@user15070659 Generally, if you come across a question where you aren't sure about what's being asked (or asked for), then that question most likely "Needs details or clarity." There's a specific vote/reason for that.
 
@AdrianMole but you must also before consider @klutt's statement chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51642369#51642369
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5:03 PM
@PetterFriberg I go with Klutt on this one :)
@Yatin what a disappointment, Gaussian white noise was mostly it...Not even the sound of wind slamming the microphone.
 
Oh, looks like they rolled out the new review queues on SO
 
I'm going to admit I am not a fan. Hopefully the distaste in my mouth will pass.
 
mck
Please can someone remove my previous cv-pls request because the OP has added the necessary details, thanks.
 
@user15070659 Well, I don't see anything wrong with it. Anything special in mind? Discussing editors commonly used by programmers is definitely on topic.
 
5:17 PM
I really like those, they offer much more information. The only thing that I don't like is that choosing an action now requires an extra click, but I guess this can be fixed with a user script
 
@IanCampbell There will always be an element of "not what I'm used to..." involved in these things. But, FWIW, I'm finding the new system less 'smooth' than the older one. Let's give it some time (6 - 8 arbitrary units).
 
@AdrianMole Just when I had finally built up the muscle memory they go and change everything. But OK, fine, 6.0 arbitrary units, and then I'm sharpening the pitch fork.
 
@janw I don't like clicking twice either, but if that is a significant part of the time and energy we're investing in a review, then we're doing something wrong ;)
 
I just want the link link back, for now. So, maybe just a trowel for me, rather than a full-blown pitch fork.
 
5:26 PM
@klutt :D Well there are unlimited gold badges now, so there is an incentive for efficient robo-reviewing...
 
I fear a robot that answers "Needs Author Edit" to every triage task has higher accuracy than a considerable number of actual reviewers.
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That's an idea for a new bot
 
@AdrianMole Do you mean the one that brings you to the post outside the queue?
 
@janw Yes.
 
Yeah, that seems to be gone :/
 
5:30 PM
I mentioned it in my answer to the Meta.SE post that announced these changes. No feedback from staff.
 
Does the post title not do the same thing? Or did you just like the position of "Link"?
 
But at least you have the entire context in the queue now. Whether that helps, is another question. I guess time will tell.
@IanCampbell No, not for answers. The title always links you to the question
 
Actually, less context (in Close Votes). No info on how many answers (if any), etc. Or maybe that was a userscript ... they all seem to be broken by the new UI.
 
@janw Hmm, indeed. I am sure Sam will improve the queues soon.
 
... oops ... Just noticed an "Answers (1)" line on my current review.
 
5:46 PM
 
Ha: First bug! The title in LQP links to the question rather than the answer itself (the post being reviewed). So, definitely need my link link back.
 
@AdrianMole are you talking about the Triage queue UI that was rolled out today?
 
@bad_coder All review queues (seemingly) have just had their new UI rolled out on SO. My last message was about the Low Quality Posts queue.
... that's what LQP means. ;-)
 
@AdrianMole Looking at the top of the post it's true. I hadn't noticed since I've been reviewing on other sites also.
 
6:14 PM
Hmm.. if someone finds the time to create a user script to fix the review queues, kindly let me know. I have a small screen and I'm getting 4 words (exaggerating a little) per line in Suggested edits due to the huge choice box. It's not working for me.
If I can get the buttons back, that would be great :)
I've also noticed that it's impossible to click on the filter without picking a new task. There's noway to save or clear a filter while staying on the same review.
Moving the button does little to release some real estate since it opens up the dialog in a predefined place..
 
6:29 PM
Oooh - my first audit in the new UI. Congratulations are now in pale blue... i.stack.imgur.com/IRNVJ.png
 
@AdrianMole Now you have to find out what it looks like when you fail an audit.
 
@JeanneDark Hehe ... working on it! ;-P
... but I have my 'excuse for failing' already prepared: "I was just confused by the new control layout."
 
Or I failed...for science or I failed on purpose to check for bugs
 
I guess others will use such.
 
7:26 PM
Somebody has referred to @rene and @TylerH as "puritanical moderators" ... stackoverflow.com/q/10657304/10871073
FWIW (the above-linked post), I found it in the Reopen Review Queue. One more "Leave Closed" will complete that. Can't see individual CV reasons, but I would have gone with "better suited for another site..."
 
I find it so amazing how extremely easy and extremely hard list comprehensions can be
 
@AdrianMole nice
 
Complex list comprehensions can really suck in a very bad way, they only look like showoff
But the easy ones, it's so amazing how natural you can read them
Thought about why, and I realized that it takes away the procedure and just say what it is and not how it
's done
I mean, compare the sentences "for all numbers from 1 to 100, if the number is dividable by 3, add it to the list" with a simple declarative "a list with all numbers from 1 to 100 that are dividable by 3"
 
@AdrianMole oof, the new review look has arrived
I see "this item is not reviewable". I'm guessing it is because I voted to close the question? Maybe that's a blocked action in the new system?
I don't recall that being mentioned in the announcement on MSE but it's been a while since I read it
 
7:44 PM
@TylerH Wait, what, why?
 
@Braiam I dunno. I see two people who have voted on the item, and so I assume it needs a 3rd
but I see "this item is not reviewable. next?"
I am one of the original close voters, so I made an assumption that the system knows I voted to close the question, and thus might be biased in a reopen review?
 
That would make no sense... you should be able to change your mind :/
 
I agree, though if it is the case I could understand the concern; voting to close something, seeing a reopen vote come in, and then filtering the review queue to ensure you see that question when it comes in so you can 'spawn camp' a 'leave closed' vote
I hope it's some other reason, but I could understand
and I could always cast a reopen vote myself on the question organically (outside the review queue)
I'm super thankful that someone decided to see the light and swap the position of the banner and the question title though
would've driven me absolutely bonkers with the question title above the close reason banner
 
I've certainly reviewed posts in the Reopen queue (old style) on which I had cast one of the close votes.
... can't remember if I ever changed my mind, though. ;)
Maybe that only happens if the post is edited after being closed? That one was sent to the RO queue by a vote.
Also, is it worth recruiting a posse to reopen that one then close it for a better reason (belongs on cs.SE)?
 
8:07 PM
@AdrianMole Yeah, I've definitely done it in the past. I just couldn't do it on the one you linked to, which is the first time I've visited the reopen queue, so was just spitballing ideas
@AdrianMole nah, policy has always been it's not worth reopening a question just to close it for another reason
 
Is the spitting of balls within the boundaries of Room Rules?
 
So long as you don't hit rene with any of them
 
Spoilsport.
 
What have I run into?
 
a spitball?
 
8:16 PM
Eeeewwww
 
@AdrianMole Due to suppression efforts for COVID-19, we respectfully request you do not spread your spitballs outside the 6 foot personal buffer.
 
A question got closed at 11:13 then got an answer at 11:30! How much stretch time is there?
 
4 hours
 
8:26 PM
I thought it was 8
 
Why not 6 - 8 weeks then?
 
well they had to put the cutoff somewhere
They do have client side checks that prevent you instantly
but you can disable that with know-how
 
Grrr.
 
and I guess there's some way you can genuinely bypass it too, inadvertently?
anyway the server-side cut off is several hours later, "just in case"
 
Should I leave the comment section here? stackoverflow.com/questions/66340377/…
 
8:41 PM
abandon ship
 
yeah, I would just leave that be
you've made a fair effort already. It's up to OP to take the advice given and apply it
wat
has anyone here ever created a meeting, updated it to include a coworker who was left out, and then that coworker then forwards the invitation back to you and other people already in the meeting?
like, dude, I'm the one who invited you. why do you think I need an invitation?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I would just fire them
 
I even sent an email beforehand explaining I had a meeting scheduled and that I would invite them
@PetterFriberg I'm not their manager but also that's so petty it would probably get me fired :-P
 
@TylerH At least it understands that they need to be invited. Mine would just claim that they couldn't join for some reason or other...
Or where's the link?
 
8:48 PM
but, but in the US you are not all like youtube.com/watch?v=CHzdxly0Y9Q
 
@PetterFriberg luckily not :-)
 
I just don't get it when people seem to take it as a personal insult when you're just trying to help them improve their question
 
Remember, the hell is filled with good intentions.
 
The insult is in the very notion that their question needs improvement.
 
Yeah, but it's so ironic. They are noob programmers because they have not programmed so much before, and have no problem admitting that. But they are also noob questioners, since they have not practiced that skill, and yes, it is indeed a skill. But people does not seem to realize that.
 
9:02 PM
@klutt Yeah, don't use the term "noob". It kind of rubs the wrong way.
Even if true.
 
Sorry, didn't mean it in a bad way
 
Sadly, it has negative connotations.
But, anyways, question is deleted. All's good :D
 
Haha, that's another thing. I've never been very keen on putting to much importance into what words people are chosing. Trying to see the intent behind instead.
 
I try not to do that, but instead do it at face value.
 
I get it, wording shouldn't be neglected. It does matter. But to some limit. But in many political discussions, the subject moves from the core topic to solely be about what particular words that are used.
 
9:24 PM
@Braiam - what was the rationale for removing the in the dupe question above? That error message they posted is coming from jenkins, not from bash?
 
@tink It comes from sudo/bash. Jekings is just trying to run a non-interactive script with sudo
Same would happen with any software that allows you to run scripts and doesn't attach a tty to capture the output.
 
Well - yes. But the error occurs because it's not an interactive shell, and run from jenkins.
 
Again, irrelevant.
 
Heh
 
9:30 PM
The message comes from sudo. Jenkins is just a bystander.
 
yeah just scrap jenkins and you will not have the problem
 
LOL
 
As long as you are doing what Jenkins does... trying to execute sudo without a tty
 
poor sudo, why does it deserve a death sentence?
and without so much as a thank you?
 
honestly it should keep jenkins since other that have the same problem will find it... but I will not argue with Braiam I will leave it to you Tink
btw jenkins is a great software!
 
9:33 PM
Sad we couldn't say the same about its users :(
 
LOL .... nuh, I don't have the time or energy, but thanks @PetterFriberg ;)
 
well we users do our best it's linux sudo fault!!!!
 
BTW, the right way to allow jenkins (or any service, really) to run a script as root is to set it as non-login user/service and set the complete path to the script in sudoers, like this serverfault.com/a/75626/180142
 
That's not tagged jenkins...
I only check jenkins stuff :)
 
9:51 PM
You should! You are doing system administration tasks.
 
jenkins is actually really good, have used it @Braiam
 
I don't have the need :)
 
we use it for all our builds it does everything
 
Either it shouldn't do everything and you are misusing it, or it's very badly designed.
 
from building code, pushing to server, restarting service
no doubt that I misuse it, but yeah for managing automatic builds it's great
 
9:54 PM
That sounds orchestration, not continuous integration ;)
 
well I love some good music
 
I'm partial to Russian composers myself
 
Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto 1 - B Flat Minor =}
 
I like most stuff from Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Shostakovitch (one of my all-time faves), Rimsky-Korsakov, Rachmaninoff, etc. All so emotive
 
Should I leave it closed or reopen it? stackoverflow.com/questions/3434601/…
 
10:08 PM
would you reclose it after you reopened it?
 
No
I don't think there is a better duplicate target for this typo, and I would actually use this one to close 2 other questions
But I am open to suggestions
 
That's one of the old-style banners, right? What does it mean when the link to the target is missing?
 
That I removed it
 
Oh I see :p I didn't look at the revision history. Thanks.
 
lol like that it's really confusing Dharman
 
10:13 PM
@Dharman then I say go for it
 
Another dastardly deletion by Dharman!
 
@mickmackusa Would you have a hammer to spare? stackoverflow.com/questions/45491880/…
Although I guess I could close the duplicate target with "Can I mix APIs" to prevent further answers and give more context
 
10:51 PM
They are all so similar I forget which one I clicked on already.
 
Just for a few seconds, the title of this Meta question made me think of Dharman. ;-)
 
How is this even possible that these are less than 0.1% of all the duplicates of that question
Yeah, but what I do is a cleanup of existing duplicates. They had a chance to prove themselves to be good signpost but they didn't.
 
I said, "for a few seconds" ... once I saw the actual post, I knew it wasn't about you.
 
BTW, I would slow down on the del-pls for the day, since you're at about 15. Just my opinion, I'm not trying to enforce anything at all.
 
I am done for today anyway. I think I have 1 or 2 left
I wasn't even planning on deleting anything today, but when I saw that mess and one question led to another I couldn't leave it
 
11:11 PM
 
11:22 PM
@cigien (cc @Dharman) We don't actually have an explicit limit on del-pls request volume from users. We do, however, expect users to be "reasonable", including not having a large number of requests from them in a row (which would tend to dominate the room, driving other people's requests off the immediately visible area). You're right in thinking that was a bit too many in a row.
Our overall daily limit on cv-pls requests is based on balancing cv-pls request traffic with how many requests the room can handle. If it looks like we're getting so many del-pls requests such that the room can't handle them, then we'll need to look at limiting the number of those we accept, and refining the criteria used for selecting which ones we permit in order to focus on those of most benefit to the site/community.
The overall goal is to keep the room effective (i.e. that the room is able to handle the vast majority of requests with are posted, where "handle" doesn't mean that the requests actually get fulfilled, just that we could fulfill the requests, if people agree with them).
 
@Makyen Understood. For some reason, I just imagined that all the numbers in FAQ#12 applied to all kinds of requests. Clearly, the 15 wouldn't even apply to del-pls since we have fewer delete votes, and if we did need to pick a number, it would probably be 10 anyway. Thanks for the clarification.
 

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