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12:12 AM
@AdrianMole could you please flag abusive comments at AskUbuntu? askubuntu.com/q/1321559/955434
 
^Done.
 
@mickmackusa Out of curiosity, why not just suggest those changes as a suggested edit? (I mean in the first place, obviously not now)
 
Ah, fair. That's...annoying.
 
If anyone else wants to edit the question. wanna could be improved too. The English isn't terribly sharp.
 
12:17 AM
Personally I'd welcome a higher limit on Law.SE, but also that queue sits at basically zero and I don't think anyone is hitting the limit that does exist...
At this point I'm disinclined to attempt to improve the post of someone who 1) is slinging vulgar insults in the comments and 2) can unilaterally reject my edits.
 
@RyanM agreed. even if I could, I wouldn't.
maybe once they are suspended :)
 
@RyanM Except maybe me when I was editing tag wiki excerpts before I had permission to edit them without review. Those took forever until 2 people got around to clearing through them.
 
@mickmackusa I edited that question and also created a new tag in that edit.
 
thanks @karel
 
Zoe
@Machavity Or I just deleted it better :p
 
12:28 AM
 
 
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2:16 AM
@Dharman This should be resolved in FIRE version 1.4.1, which is now available.
 
 
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5:06 AM
^ dupe of two posts
 
5:20 AM
@Makyen Can you please delete my last cv-pls? OP added MCVE
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
Thanks :)
 
 
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7:34 AM
Is this R/A?
 
@JeanneDark yes. reported to charcoal
 
thanks
 
@JeanneDark I feel like I need to find a rule in the FAQ that I can point you to regarding avoiding making requests by asking questions you already know the answer to.
 
@CodyGray Why so suspicious? Flag-pls requests are allowed and common for spam and R/A posts, so there's no need for a workaround. And since red flags carry a penalty, what's wrong with asking for other people's opinions first?
 
@JeanneDark Such requests being common and allowed is precisely why I'm confused about your asking for confirmation rather than just posting one. Suspiciousness is an occupational hazard for diamonds, I suppose. You know what's wrong with asking for opinions.
 
7:52 AM
I was not 100% sure, only about 99.9999999999999%. Maybe I'm a bit too cautious when flagging stuff.
 
Technically, you wouldn't be flagging it if you were making a request, though, right?
But yes, maybe!
 
@CodyGray I make requests after flagging the post myself, unless I've run out of flags (which is very uncommon).
 
It's uncommon for you to run out of flags? Huh, I'm surprised.
 
I have 100 flags per day and am only human (but it could happen occasionally back when I was still reviewing)
 
8:07 AM
@JeanneDark Surely you are not trying to tell me that in a few hours on the site you do not come across more than 100 flaggable posts?
Ten minutes in this room, and you could do so easily.
 
@CodyGray I'm not claiming that, if you were determined enough, you couldn't raise a hundred flags and much more. But even my time is limited. And the posts in this room are 1) mostly cv-pls (or del-pls) requests so no point in flagging them, 2) often already handled when I open them (I usually look at flag-pls requests and SD reports but am not always quick enough, eg. in case of the recent spam wave the posts had already been deleted when the reports came in here it seems)
 
Yeah, that's because the reports in here were mostly from me or other mods manually reporting them, because we were faster than SmokeDetector.
 
@CodyGray Surely, just because I don't exhaust my 100 post flags per day doesn't mean I'm not flagging enough?
 
@JeanneDark I was not implying that, no. Just honestly surprised that you weren't bumping up against the flag limit.
 
Lately, at times even NAA and VLQ posts were handled so quickly that they were already gone when I tried to look at them, ie. a few min after they had been posted
 
8:17 AM
I apologize if I've been cramping your style :-)
 
No need to apologize :)
 
10:17 AM
Good Morning.
https://stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/30421173

How to handle answers in foreign languages?
 
NAA or VLQ
 
im in the VLQ Queue
So i believe im handling a VLQ flag right now
 
Deletion
 
Thank you, thats what i was thinking, just wanted to get another opinion.
 
@FabianS. Don't worry, you need 4 opinions to do anything on that queue
 
10:21 AM
Im aware of that, but i recently had some rather bad reviews, so whenever im not really sure about what to do i tend to ask so my review skills are improved
 
I just did my first "Low quality answers" review! It wasn't that bad!
Someone left an automated comment indicating that the answer was unclear, but to its credit, the review queue let me delete that easily.
 
Is it just me or are the comments by mplungjan on this answer of mine pretty harsh (and neither neccessary or helpful)?

https://stackoverflow.com/a/70094250/4218046
 
I don't see any comments
 
@FabianS. The first comment is phrased very poorly and definitely comes across as rude, but seems like it might be a valid question. The way the comments continue... well, that's definitely not OK. He repeats the exact same thing in the second comment, which helps no one to understand.
 
Well, they got deleted (or he deleted im himself).
 
10:30 AM
You should flag such comments as either "unfriendly" or "no longer needed", that way they can be removed.
In this case, they were self-deleted by the commenter.
 
Okay, i actually flagged them too
In my opinion having the opinion a answer is wrong or unncessary is okay to have, but why doesnt he just downvote it?
 
OK, good. I didn't see the flags pop up while I was looking at the post. For reference, here are the comments.
 
Yeah, why do people comment instead of just downvoting
 
i deleted my comments too, without his comments theres no point in them.
 
@FabianS. I have no idea. I also dislike when people leave comments instead of voting. Maybe his intention was to have you reconsider posting an answer, since it adds nothing new to the Q&A? (I'm not saying I agree with his assessment. I don't have the expertise to judge that. But that can be a useful comment to leave, if you do so respectfully, instead of or in addition to downvoting.)
 
10:32 AM
Downvoting answers costs rep, commentating doesn't
 
@JeanneDark FEATURE REQUEST! Every comment costs 1 repz.
 
Eh, the question is more puzzling.
And probably hints towards a problem unique to the asker.
 
@CodyGray IMHO the answer is pretty clear, the fact his browsers do show the same for both is correct cause he uses the latest versions. Other version and/or other browsers could show different tho as the default stylesheets are defined in the browser. So by adding the explicit styling youre forcing every browser in every version to do the same thing.
So the result may be the same in latest browsers at the current moment but its much more safe this way plus the author is explicitly asking "Is it a proper way to fix this by applying font-weight: bold; to ?" which is the totally correct way o
 
Yeah, I don't know, you're trying to explain the technical substance of it to me, and that's probably not going to go well. I try to avoid that HTML stuff.
 
@CodyGray upvotes on comments gain repz?
 
10:36 AM
@SurajRao Perhaps, with a sufficient number of upvotes on a comment, the commenter could gain back the 1 rep they lost by posting the comment.
 
@SurajRao Then we need to be able to also downvote comments
2
 
Long story short:
IMO theres a major difference in between the code of the question and my answer. Thats why i added the answer and explicitly described what and why i did. Thats why i dont get why those comments were "ZERO difference" because there IS a obvious difference :D
 
@JeanneDark review queue for commentzz
 
@FabianS. Yeah, it's pretty obvious, even to me who pretends not to know any CSS or HTML, that your answer is quite different from the question in that you've added a font-weight: bold style to the <strong> tag. I think there's a case to be made that that is unnecessary, or even that one should not override the user's preference for how they've indicated that they want "strong" text to be displayed, but that's an entirely separate argument from what the comments were making.
Also, I'm pretty sure that that Q&A is a duplicate... surely there are dozens of other questions asking about the effect of a <strong> tag and whether it always creates bold text...
@SurajRao Where the only option is "delete"
 
 
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@SurajRao I actually don't think so. The entire first paragraph seems to be establishing that the asker is doing it wrong and telling them what they should be doing instead. I, too, am confused by how the second paragraph relates to that, though.
But, I think we can punt on this, as the self-answer makes clear this is a typo/no-repro question, so I'm just going to handle it accordingly.
 
"Stalling on 0xC000_0000 access" indicates still having problem to me...
oh ok. that got Graydead
 
@SurajRao Yeah, noted that I was also unclear on how that related to the first paragraph.
 
 
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12:58 PM
Morning
 
1:58 PM
Which answer to keep? 1, 2 (command is the same)
 
@JeanneDark stackoverflow.com/questions/5525573/… is a reply. I read it as a comment. NAA
 
@SurajRao Yes, they are replying to @Tomerikoo but since the previous answer is almost nothing but the command, one could consider the new post to be the same answer with at least a bit of an explanation (though it would need editing).
 
@JeanneDark Don't know if the line For loop not required. is worth editing in...
 
Does this bounty seem suspicious? I can see no obvious (other) connection between the two accounts, so maybe OP is just being nice to a new user. But does the answer really deserve a bounty?
 
Someone with JavaScript and/or ZLIB knowledge might want to check the answers in this recent SD report. Question looks OK (how do I uncompress ZLIB), most answers seem to offer some library, without providing user guidance though
@AdrianMole very; bounty was added 14 seconds after answering.
 
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Q: There are multireasons the [multifile] tag should be burninated

Jonathan LefflerThe multifile tag has no wiki information and has 82 questions. Every question has at least one other tag. It hasn't been used much recently (no questions in the last 30 days; about a quarter of those asked are unanswered). All the top answerers have only answered one question; all the top ask...

 
@AdrianMole Is the answer just reiterating what the comments under the other answer say (slightly reworded)?
 
@Adriaan Yeah - I mod-flagged it. cc @JeanneDark
Until the day somebody gives me a bounty, then all others are suspicious!
... but that one puts the new user into the "I can now upvote" boat.
 
2:43 PM
@AdrianMole Oh, thanks for the warning about the flag. I won't click it, then!
 
Just let the flag queue build up, then you may get a new mod (or two).
 
@AdrianMole nice try, but I really can't judge the quality of Windows C++ answers
 
@AdrianMole The acceptance was already enough. You need 15 rep, so 1 answer accepted or 2 posts upvoted are sufficient.
 
@JeanneDark Oops. For some reason, I was think the t/hold was 50.
 
@AdrianMole That's the threshold for commenting
 
2:47 PM
And flagging?
 
No, flagging also at 15
Although I'm not sure about flagging as duplicate with the auto-comment, if that special flag is handled differently
 
@AdrianMole But I like the ones we've got!
 
@CodyGray No reason not to. But more could also by nice, is not?
 
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Q: We need to clean out our [cleaner]

Alan BagelThe cleaner has 2 questions and no usage guidance. The first one is about making cleaner CSS, whereas the other is about the Cleaner class in java. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? The cleaner tag does not describe the contents (onl...

 
3:00 PM
@SurajRao I want to say that whole tag is off-topic, but Azure Boards is a programming project management methodology software platform so it's definitely a tool used primarily for programming
 
Are you sure that "project management methodology software" actually has anything at all to do with programming?
 
3:12 PM
hang on.. isnt "impossible" an answer?
 
Yes, can be an answer
 
@CodyGray specifically, programming project management methodology software
 
then smokey's report just needed editing?
 
That answer (the impossible one) may have had a better chance of survival if it had been better presented. And if it didn't have the string of trailing caret-hats.
 
3:19 PM
Yes, some kind of an explanation of why it was impossible would have been good
 
Or even, "According to the developers [](link), this is currently not possible."
Woo Hoo - A CoInbAse spam that survived long enough (just) for me to actually flag it.
I guess Smokey is confident enough to use proxy flags on those.
 
4:08 PM
@JeanneDark @NathanOliver This request doesn't seem to be getting cleaned up (perhaps because of multiple links). Could it be shunted please?
 
@cigien did you link to the right one? that seems already deleted
Also no links
 
@cigien Fixed
 
Thank you.
@SurajRao Yeah, it was deleted about 6 hours ago, but the request wasn't cleaned up yet, even though ROs have done cleanup after that. I'm not sure what you mean by "no links".
 
oh ok. "perhaps because of multiple links" I assumed the answer had links of some sort
 
Ah, I see. No, I meant the multiple links in the del-pls itself. I assume that's what messed with the cleanup.
 
4:24 PM
 
@SurajRao Not good it was. Removed it, did I
 
:D Mods a sense of humor have I see
 
4:44 PM
Any people around know if there's a duplicate for stackoverflow.com/q/66391613/15497888 self-answer appears to be run emulator in "active developer mode" which seems like it would be a common thing to do?
 
@HenryEcker OP has translated
 
@SurajRao Thank you.
 
@HenryEcker done :-)
 
@TylerH Ty
 
5:04 PM
I have 1 CV left, see you guys after 0 UTC o/
 
but wait, you can't leave with just one!
 
^ probably troll
 
5:27 PM
And I have burnt through my cvs for today
 
Is this no repro, given the answer?
 
No... It was reproducible. Got fixed in the library
 
Ok, seems reasonable, thanks.
 
It might help if the answer included which version resolved the issue. (If applicable)
 
5:38 PM
@cigien I think the question could probably be fixed. Crypto natively supports this now. Both answer use Crypto. Maybe an edit to ask how to do it with Node's built-in crypto would be better than closing as an offsite resource request.
 
for the record, metasmoke is offline, so Smoke Detector might be acting up
 
@HenryEcker Yeah, I can try to do that. It technically invalidates the recent answer, but I think that's ok.
 
@cigien I don't think it does. The accepted answer uses createDiffieHellman which is the same module that the new answer recommends (using the more modern methods).
 
Hmm, that answer is still close to being link only, but it does mention the function names.
@cigien @Machavity Could this be binned please? It's been edited to be on-topic.
@HenryEcker Edited. Someone who knows the subject matter should review it though, especially the tags I added.
 
@cigien That looks much better.
@cigien I agree that answer could be much better. Working on that now.
 
5:51 PM
 
6:37 PM
 
user17242583
7:08 PM
Hi! May I please ask, where I can learn more about how to use this room?
 
@user17242583 There is a website with a useful tour Also check the other sections like the FAQ
 
user17242583
Oh wow, okay, thank you @VLAZ. I'll take a look :)
 
If there's anything specific you're unsure of, feel free to ask here after checking the tour and extensive FAQ page :-)
 
user17242583
Thank you @TylerH - I'll do that if I have trouble. Yeah, that FAQ page is extensive; I'll probably spend the next few days reading it :)
 
7:29 PM
The big takeaways are: we don't target users, don't allow requests where the requestor is involved in the Q&A, we don't moderate Meta, and SOCVR is not a dumping ground for every single post you think should be closed/deleted. Keep those in mind and you should be OK
oh, and we exist by the grace of the mods/CMs. So we take pains to tiptoe around some things more often than may be absolutely necessary
 
🚽
The importance of copy-pasting your error message rather than retyping it
 
user17242583
So do you just manually enter the cv-pls tag like this? [cv-pls] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70101578/how-to-convert-timedelta-mmss-into-seconds-in-pandas-df#comment123920139_70101578?
 
8:00 PM
@user17242583 Are you familiar with browser user scripts?
E.g. Greasemonkey, Violentmonkey, Tampermonkey add-ons, etc.
 
user17242583
I've certainly heard of them many times, I know a lot of you use them, but I've never really had a need for them, @TylerH.
 
Gotcha. I don't use this particular one, but there is a userscript here for generating requests automatically
So that when you are browsing the site, you can click a link and it will let you post to the chatroom
We do request that you be in the chatroom too, in case there are questions/concerns with the requests, but the userscript does save you from having to manually type out the requests and all the formatting
if that's burdensome
 
user17242583
@TylerH Oh wow, that's pretty cool. Well, I'll look into it. Thank you for the advice.
 
You can see the full list of SOCVR-related user scripts here: socvr.org/tools/userscripts
 
9:13 PM
@user17242583 I personally do, yes - it's second nature now
 
I also do
 
!!/alive
 
@AdrianMole Yup
 
OK, so why did my feedback fail?
 
the bot's alive but the API endpoint is down?
the website is still down, for example
 
9:24 PM
How can the bot survive without it's parent website?
... more in SOBotics.
There's nothing so sad as a bot with no feedback.
 
10:17 PM
@user17242583 Not quite, but close. The Markdown for tags is [tag:the-tag-name], which is [tag:cv-pls] for a cv-pls request. In addition, for a cv-pls request, please use the URL for the question, not a comment on the question.
 
10:54 PM
@HenryEcker they meant to say activate developer mode in the settings...which shouldn't be necessary (USB debugging should be enabled anyway), but is apparently off by default. It would also be helpful if they described how to activate developer mode, as the option has been hidden behind a trick (tap the build number a bunch of times) for many years now.
 
11:05 PM
 
11:21 PM
 
user17242583
11:32 PM
@Dharman for my own education, why should that question be deleted as opposed to closed?
 
@user17242583 It has accepted answer so the system will not remove it automatically
 
11:59 PM
@user17242583 It's already closed. (It has to be closed for a standard user to delete it.) Deleting Question guidance is covered under 10k privileges which is "Closed questions that are of no lasting value whatsoever should be deleted."
 

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