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12:00 AM
@RyanM Any interest in making that answer better? Or is that a reasonable enough answer it is useful to someone having that kind of issue?
Also thank you for taking a look at that I do appreciate it.
 
12:17 AM
@HenryEcker Fixed it up a bit, that should at least clarify it.
 
@RyanM Yeah. Lightyears better thank you!
 
user17242583
@HenryEcker but why delete it at all? Do we always try to delete questions closed because of typos?
 
@user17242583 The criteria for deleting is simply a Q/A that has no lasting value. It takes 3 delete votes (minimum) to delete a question. There's a block of del-pls after your question many of which are not typos. There are many reasons why a question may not be useful to future readers.
 
...but yes, we generally do delete questions caused by typos, because they're generally unlikely to help anyone else.
For example, a very common problem is using the wrong variable. But the symptoms of that could be literally anything, so someone else who's used an incorrect variable is extremely unlikely to find that post and be helped. However, if it causes an error message that can also be another problem, it makes posts about that other problem harder to find. So we remove the typo ones to make searching the knowledge base easier.
 
12:45 AM
@user17242583 Why shouldn't we delete is the question you should ask?
Deletion is something that is automatic without intervention. Users are just needed to delete when something signals that there might be value (like positive scores)
 
That is...technically true, in the sense that a question that receives zero interaction (or at most one comment) will be automatically deleted after a year. But the questions we're deleting here are (mostly) ones that will not be automatically deleted, so there should be some affirmative reason to delete them.
"it's a typo that won't help anyone else ever" is such an affirmative reason
 
@Braiam No, not at all. Although there are many posts that should be deleted, questions that have been around for a while (and have answers) should never be deleted without justification.
... but maybe I'm off-topic?
 
@Braiam talkin about typo, I tried understanding an XY typo Q today where the OP didn't understand what he was asking X-wise or Y-wise...
 
 
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3:17 AM
@AdrianMole That's false, the only exception to deletion is that still have lasting value. If it has zero value, it is safely deleted. With your criteria, we wouldn't have roomba.
What you are arguing is something that users invented later, and has no reference in the help center at all.
 
3:30 AM
@Braiam Your theory appears to be that posts should be assumed to have no value by default. This assumption is flawed: the fact that someone took the time to post a question and another person took the time to answer it, or upvoted it, or otherwise caused the question to not meet Roomba criteria, creates a presumption that there is some sort of value there. There must a reason to defeat that presumption and say that it has no value.
 
@RyanM That's projection. You think any post have value by default, which is untrue.
A post lose its value when it's not necessary anymore, since there are better resources elsewhere.
Or it just regurgitates what another resource has.
 
@Braiam I didn't say that: I said that any post that doesn't meet Roomba criteria should be presumed to have value, absent a specific reason that it does not.
 
@RyanM No, it's opposite to that.
 
@Braiam This is a specific reason that a post lacks value. It is not the default state that this is true.
 
Roomba doesn't act on post that have more than 2 comments? Is 2 comments indication of value?
 
3:34 AM
Yes.
That's specifically why Roomba doesn't act on those posts.
 
No, that's untrue.
 
yes, comments are incredibly useful and therefore gotta be careful deleting them
 
At a minimum, it's an indication of interest and/or activity. Value is a subjective judgment, so difficult for a machine or any heuristic to assess.
 
Are you joking me?
 
@KevinB Always am!
 
3:35 AM
@Braiam Yes. I've gone through a large number of zero-score posts that were only not being deleted due to comments, and quite a number of them had an answer in one of those two comments.
 
@RyanM I presume you have a wealth of examples of those post, right?
Since you argue with such confidence.
 
i mean
you can get a list of them with the site's built in search
don't even need sede
 
I will go with "no"
 
^
I mean if you'd like to assume I'm just straight-up lying I guess you can do that.
 
@KevinB Oh, please share the query.
 
3:36 AM
I think focusing on specific examples is generally not useful in illuminating big-picture questions.
 
0 score, no answer, older than a year
 
I'm not saying that you are lying, I'm saying that you are straight up making things up.
SEDE does not have deleted post.
That is unquestionable.
 
If we thought questions had no value by default, we'd delete them by default. We don't, so clearly that's not the case. Having a question remain visible doesn't cost anything, so deletion is a state reserved for things that are causing harm or can be widely agreed to offer no value whatsoever.
 
Where I come from, making things up and claiming that they are true is called "lying"
 
@CodyGray If that were true, the help center would say that. It doesn't, so it's not
 
3:37 AM
There's a lot of stuff the Help Center doesn't say...
 
@Braiam There's a whole table called PostsWithDeleted. Guess what it contains?
 
@RyanM 0 content
@RyanM Not if you are so clueless.
 
there's more than a million
in that date range
 
But also you don't need SEDE because...search works, as Kevin points out. Because these posts aren't deleted. Because they're not Roomba-eligible.
 
> Why on earth would you want to store an AWT class in the database?
 
3:39 AM
...what?
 
That's literally the first comment of the first post, I don't see the value on that...
 
then flag it for deletion
 
yes congratulations you've discovered that there are bad posts. I said some of them have answers, not all of them.
 
Oh. I see. You cherry-picked the first sentence of a comment that otherwise provides relevant, useful advice.
 
Yes, the advice that it provides is "stop what you are doing". And has been seen by a whole lot of 35 people
Very useful.
 
3:40 AM
A couple of comments explaining that the asker has a misconception about the best route to solve a problem seem suspiciously like at least the start of an answer to me.
 
...and yeah, that's quite some cherry-picking. That comments section does seem to contain useful advice.
 
Nobody upvoted it.
I didn't cherry pick, I literally opened the first example.
 
wouldn't it just need a downvote, to be deleted in ~ a week to a month?
 
Someone upvoted the comment, before this discussion started.
 
And?
That's all?
 
3:41 AM
@Braiam You cherry-picked the part of the comment that did not contain advice
 
Nobody posted an answer?
 
yes, that's how they decided it should work
 
@RyanM Because it's a frame challenge.
 
why is that surprising?
 
Right, I mean, I'm certainly not saying we need to go out of our way to save this. I'm not proposing that we should lock it to prevent deletion or anything like that.
 
3:41 AM
the system is designed around keeping old stuff
 
Frame challenge means that you should drop the chocolate when you are doing rocket science.
Not really.
 
@Braiam I'm afraid I'm unclear what "drop the chocolate" means
 
The system is designed around avoiding destroying value. I think it's a reasonable design.
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The system was meant to produce high quality answers to programming questions. Those questions didn't fulfill that purpose.
 
it "saves" way too much
 
3:43 AM
@CodyGray PFFF, read the motto of the site again.
 
Maybe, but I think that's preferable to it risking deleting too much.
 
The question is "How to persist an java.awt.geom.Area object with JPA?" and there's an answer: "[C]reate an object that contains enough information to create that and make that a proper JPA entity. If you really want you will have to map all the other types in there as well. Vector is an old collection type (not even sure if that is handled by Hibernate) but you will have to map the types used in the vector as well."
 
Well, again, you seem to think there's some kind of a zero-sum game at play here. We can build a library of high-quality content without having to delete every single thing that hasn't bloomed yet.
 
there's a million questions here, that presumably haven't been found useful
 
If a question in, *checks dates*, two years didn't produce an answer, not even a self answer or even an upvote... it is value?
Someone found that valuable?
 
3:45 AM
Considering that question has only been viewed < 40 times, I don't exactly think there's an argument to be made that it's tripping people up, or pulling eyes away from better questions, or whatever. So I'll re-pose the question: why does it need to be deleted? Either by humans or by algorithms?
 
That's the wrong question to ask.
The right question is: how that question improves the wealth of content that the site has?
 
only because there's no answer
;)
 
No, because it's a bad question.
 
No, the correct question to ask is always, how does it harm?
 
i mean
 
3:47 AM
You should store model information on your database, not "classes"
 
how does asking how to bake an apple pie harm?
 
Because it's off-topic.
 
sure
but how does that harm?
 
@KevinB Simply because is off topic.
 
it's just another search result
 
3:48 AM
The harm is that it is where it doesn't belong.
 
Why is it (the JPA one, not the apple pie one) a bad question? Honestly, it seems fine.
 
neither do these questions, since they haven't been found useful,
 
@RyanM Because you shouldn't do that.
 
No, it's interfering noise. Is it going to pop up when you search for "apple"? For "bitbake"? For "pi"?
Wait. So any question asking about something you shouldn't do should be deleted?
How is anyone going to ever learn what they shouldn't do?
 
So will this one, when searching for java, or awt, geom, etc
 
3:49 AM
Which is fine, because it is not off-topic...
 
@CodyGray By only finding examples of how it should be done. ;)
 
Ugh, no, that absolutely doesn't work.
 
The whole "learn by example" and all the jazz
 
it being on topic, doesn't make it useful
it's no more useful than my example
 
I think that's too absurd to deserve an answer.
 
3:51 AM
@Braiam That is an answer, not a reason for removing a question.
 
If you can't see how a question about apple pie is different from a question about storing information in databases...
 
Asking the correct question is more valuable, than asking the wrong one and being corrected.
 
False.
 
@RyanM No, because the answer is "no, learn about serialization"
 
Many, many people have the wrong question. If we have an answer to the wrong question that can set them straight, then a huge number of people stand to benefit from that.
 
3:52 AM
There are millions of ways to ask a question wrong, and you can't reuse that because every individual will ask them in their own unique wrong way.
 
@Braiam From where?! What should I read that would tell me not to do that? There's a great place for such relevant information: the answers section.
 
I would not object to closing the wrongly-asked question as a duplicate of the correctly-asked question.
 
There's a smaller pool of how to ask the question the right wayâ„¢ that can be reusable by many
@RyanM A good tutorial to start.
About how the language works and how it deals with transferring information to cold storage
 
Ugh, I don't like tutorials. That's why I come here: I just want the answer to my question, not to spend hours reading a tutorial in the often-vain hope that maybe it'll have the answer to my question.
 
@RyanM Well, SO isn't a tutorial a la carte, it's a site for specific, practical questions about software development.
If you don't like it, well, there's the door.
There are plenty of sites that I'm sure would cater your needs.
I heard dev.io is good.
 
3:56 AM
Right, I agree! I already said I don't want a tutorial. I have a specific, practical question: I want to persist an Area to my JPA database.
 
So is r/programmers
@RyanM The fact that you don't know that that's wrong, is exactly why you need a tutorial. That's not practical, that's anti-practical.
It's a matter of basic programming principles.
 
Just like many nations have "innocent until proven guilty", so should SO have "retainable until proven delible". I don't mind when someone asks how to do "a wrong thing" in a question; I have far more concern when an answer recommends doing "a wrong thing".
 
You need to learn those, to understand what you are getting wrong.
@mickmackusa Dunno you, but most of the answers that tell you to do the wrong thing, are because the asker asks for it.
 
That sounds like a great place to put an answer suggesting doing the right thing instead
 
Definitely.
 
3:59 AM
@Braiam Are you referring to XY Problems?
 
I really don't like this line of reasoning that if you ask the wrong question, you don't deserve an answer and need to find a tutorial instead.
 
Well, you will get 200 answers because asker have the knack of asking the wrong thing in their own special wrong way.
That's untenable.
 
If only we had some way to indicate that a question has already been answered elsewhere
 
@mickmackusa No, just most low quality questions.
 
@Braiam okay. that's a little too vague to discuss.
 
4:00 AM
@RyanM That's the thing, they are asking for the wrong thing, and the answers give them that. So, you can't even use that ugly hack to say that two questions are duplicate.
 
Huh? I will get 200 answers because people ask the wrong question? Why would I get fewer answers if people ask the right question?
 
i mean, good luck finding the duplicate
 
Because there's generally one way to do it right. There are thousands ways to do it wrong.
 
Yes, I agree, it'll be hard to find the duplicate, because most people don't know that it's the wrong way to do it. And they don't know what the right way to do it is.
But if our metric for what is a good or, indeed, allowable, question requires that you already know the correct answer to it, then we are in a world of massive hurt.
 
we're talking about year old, or older, abandoned questions here
 
4:04 AM
Nope, because there's always someone that ask the right question. For example: how to serialize objects is the right question to ask on our Area java one.
 
most of them are 7+ years old
 
People ask questions about what they're trying to do. If that question is a duplicate of some other question that you think is doing it the "right" way, then it should be closed as such. But telling people that they shouldn't ask a question unless they know the right thing to do, that doesn't make any sense at all.
 
page 9, out of 22k, goes back to 2013
 
Not clear what your point is?
 
@CodyGray That's the thing, is not a duplicate because the asker is not asking to serialize an object.
 
4:06 AM
Lots of old questions on SO.
 
That's what they need, but not what they ask for.
 
@KevinB check your sort order
 
yea, just noticed
 
@Braiam Still a duplicate. It solves their problem.
 
@KevinB Is by relevance, not age.
 
4:06 AM
all but that one was 2014, coincidence
 
@CodyGray No, it doesn't, because they still don't understand how serialization solves their problem.
If they did, they wouldn't have asked what they asked for.
 
Good thing we have a duplicate question for them to read that explains it then!
 
2016 is halfway mark
 
And now we have a signpost, redirecting anyone else with a similar question who also doesn't understand serialization to now understand serialization and therefore solve their problem in the best way possible.
 
They may do it anyways, but the lacking of fundamental understanding about how stuff is supposed to work would still persist. They will still be trying to apply the same logic elsewhere in their code.
 
4:09 AM
And so the solution is ...to delete their question so that they and anyone else who has that misconception will continue making the same mistake?
 
@CodyGray Yeah, a whole lot of 36 people that landed there and lost their time.
 
I don't understand how this approach improves our knowledge base
 
@RyanM No, they will not make the same mistake. They will be doing other mistakes.
 
How can you conclude that those people lost their time? Maybe they saw the comments suggesting the right way to do it, and so they went down a different path as a result?
I mean... they likely lost their time reading a bunch of low-quality tutorials on serialization... But that's a different issue, and one that you seem to endorse.
 
@CodyGray That's a whole lot of assumptions that even I know to not do.
 
4:11 AM
You appear to be assuming that they lost their time and got nothing of value, though.
 
Yeah, of course, we cannot make any assumptions at all; that is the primary point I was making.
 
Because they didn't upvote or answered the question, it's a safe assumption to make.
There's only two users that interacted with that post, and one of them was basically wondering "why the heck would you do that!?"
The other seems to have been highlighting keywords.
 
TIL that people who don't have 15 rep don't count as people we want to help
 
@RyanM You have to really hammer out some crazy google-fu to find that question.
Another assumption I do not make: that the question is easy to find or is at the top of results for the keywords.
 
@Braiam first result for "persist java.awt.geom.Area JPA"
 
4:14 AM
It's not even just people with < 15 rep. It's all the people who look at questions but don't bother to upvote them, either because they don't upvote things, because they're out of votes, or whatever.
 
@RyanM That's very specific, and if you didn't know the question you wouldn't have found it.
 
I thought we already concluded that there were a bunch of hypothetical people out there wanting to do this same wrong thing?
 
^ what Cody said. It is conceivable that there are people who want to do this exact thing
 
if there were, it would have received more views, no?
 
@CodyGray No, we didn't, you did.
I repeated several times "asking the wrong thing in their own special wrong way"
 
4:16 AM
Maybe! Maybe there are only a couple of them. Hopefully they learned from the comments
 
Oh. OK. So the assumption is that there's almost no one out there who wants to do this.
 
In other words, you are a bunch of hypothetical people that asks the wrong thing, but each one differently.
 
Still unclear on what the harm is of having the question available for the nobody who wants it?
 
Because if nobody wants it, why should we care that is deleted?
Care for stuff that people actually wants.
Like hats!
 
I am not good at predicting the future.
 
4:17 AM
you don't need to
 
Yeah, I try not to be that good either.
 
there's the past 2 years of history to look at
 
It seems I do need to.
 
Why doesn't the long tail matter? Why shouldn't we have the answer to every reasonably scoped programming problem?
 
Unless I use the shortcut of assuming that the past is representative of the future, which... seems unjustified.
Every day, it seems like I do something that I've never tried to do before.
 
4:18 AM
Sadly, just thinking logically about things, I can estimate the probable result.
 
Why shouldn't we leave it up for the next DenverCoder9 who has the problem?
 
@CodyGray Which is good!
@RyanM DenverCoder9 sadly knows more than any of us, and knows that the path has not exit.
 
I am still confused on the harms. I feel like this is another "but it's polluting our tubes!" argument, as if space were somehow limited, and, more importantly, as if deletion somehow actually removed anything.
 
@CodyGray When you have the time, ask animuson to explain it to you. He tried to explain it in this post, but it seems you still have doubts meta.stackoverflow.com/a/280846/792066
I don't know how else to do it.
 
Hmm. Animuson seems to be talking about recommendation questions?
I don't agree with his assessment, either, for multiple reasons.
Which is not unusual or unexpected. Someone whose expertise lies in CSS and JavaScript is probably not the best one to decide whether a C++ Q&A contains any useful information worth preserving.
 
4:25 AM
@CodyGray And the fact that you don't see that he's doing the "polluting our tubes" argument is why you need him to explain it to you.
 
He's literally not.
 
Or, wait, I know a better example. Look for "Thomas Hearne"
 
He's arguing that the content has no value. That's completely different.
 
Come on!
Really?!
 
The one who was locked out of the library after refusing to take an oath of allegiance to George I?
 
4:26 AM
I think I was the first one to say that that post has no value either chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=value&room=41570
So does any post with >1 comments, no answers, no upvotes, for more than a year.
 
You are pretty much the first one to say that everything has no value. I've stopped paying it much mind.
 
Well, that settles it, you don't want a constructive conversation.
 
I just detect a pattern.
 
i mean, there was no chance you were going to accomplish anything with the conversation anyway
 
So, Thomas Hearne is a guy that even Alexander Pope took note and not in a very good light.
That guy is infamous in historic circles because he decided to keep everything, without regard to value.
And to make matters worse, he wasn't event consistent about it.
Maybe we shouldn't do what that guy did.
 
4:30 AM
Historians are pretty solidly indebted to anyone who fought to preserve things.
Especially unpopular things and things that people of the time thought would have no value.
 
Yeah, I recommend you to actually read about the guy, before trying to give it any amount of credit.
 
George Washington had his personal correspondence destroyed after his death. That's a pretty huge loss, as far as the historical record goes. Compare that with what we have of the correspondence between John and Abigail Adams, which is an exceedingly rich source of information. They knew it would be, so they saved it. They were thought vain and a little bit crazy for doing so.
But it didn't really cost them anything.
 
@CodyGray And that's good and all, but it wasn't what Thomas Hearne did.
So, please, I beg you, read it. Their wikipedia page is surprisingly short for the amount of beef many people has against him.
 
Why do we assume that Alexander Pope is right about everything?
 
We don't. The evidence gives him the reason on this.
 
4:46 AM
So... best I can tell, both of these people were just unable to let their despisal of each other go.
At best, Hearne was a sloppy historian, who didn't do a great job of getting his facts right, particularly dates and names.
Ironically, one of the issues with Hearne was that he took it upon himself to cut out a lot of things that he thought were not useful from the documents that he otherwise hoarded.
For historians, the biggest issue is not people who collect worthless documents. In fact, that can actually be extremely useful. The issue is when those people start modifying (removing, adding to, or otherwise changing [e.g., modernizing]) the documents that they collect, because this distorts the history that could be gleaned from these documents.
In fact, proper historiography suggests that one cannot decide prima facie which types of documents or information is going to be useful, and trying to do so results in some really shoddy scholarship, like "Great Man" reductions of history, where the only things that get talked about are the big events that everyone thought would be important, and thus recorded, which gives an aggrandized, distorted view of their real importance.
And, significantly, omits any real contextual information that would be key to understanding how or why those events came about. Historians are slowly beginning to realize this, which is why social and cultural history is growing in importance and scholarship, compared to the old standbys of political and military history.
But yeah, rambling aside, the issue is that once you start picking and choosing what you think is going to be valuable, you start getting into making value judgments which are dangerous because they introduce bias into your work.
 
 
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6:58 AM
sorry, question has a bounty and cannot be closed voted on yet ... I'll be back once the bounty expires
FWIW looks like metasmoke is going to stay down at least until tomorrow, as there is an ISP issue which they can't fix while staff is away for Thanksgiving
 
> self-answering your own questions from another undisclosed account isn't something you can do with a single account, hence is not allowed.
(formatting not mine) Is this true or not?
 
sounds legit; why would you ever want to do that anyway, other than for deception?
corner case, you lost your original account and figured out a way to answer, but registered a new account instead of figure out how to recover the old one
 
@VLAZ While definitely fishy, I personally don't think that there's a hard or clear rule on this saying it's OK or not OK. However, as soon as you accept that answer from your alternate account, you instantly break the hard and clear rule.
 
7:17 AM
@tripleee I can't be bothered with maintaining multiple accounts myself but I don't see why it couldn't be done. I can see somebody who wants to maintain an account for questions and for answers or something. Or who knows - people maintain multiple accounts for many reasons other than fraud. Some literally for jokes. Not sure how often it happens on SO but it does in other platforms.
However, I'm not aware of anything that automatically means that if you post an answer to your own question, you abuse the system.
 
I am not, either. I think we would have to take that on a case-by-case basis. I cannot imagine suspending someone if that was their only offense. I, also, have never seen an instance where that was someone's only offense when it comes to sockpuppetry-like behaviors.
 
I asked the person who made that comment about what's the problem with that and they said it's always deception. I'm not sure I agree.
 
7:32 AM
Sweet Lord! How many diamonds is "enough"? stackexchange.com/users/6085540/glorfindel?tab=accounts Glorfindel needs like 2 Infinity Gauntlets! (StackOverflow should fashion these for him or get some dwarves to do it for them).
 
In 2042, Glorfindel runs for Stack Overflow moderator, reasoning that it is, after all, the only site on which he is not yet a moderator.
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^good prediction
 
In 2043, the universe implodes.
 
^gloomy prediction
 
7:36 AM
Being a moderator on every site but SO is one thing; adding SO to that list would just be too freakin' much.
 
jps
8:26 AM
Can a post that was delete as r/a still be edited by the owner and added to review? See stackoverflow.com/posts/70107757/revisions
given the way the OP behaves, I'm surprised that the account has not been destroyed yet
 
@jps Shouldn't be possible, that'd be a bug. I haven't seen any evidence that the reopen queue reviews deleted questions
 
Hi. I came across this bug while reviewing edits, which was posted on MSO almost a year ago, but hasn't been fixed. Do you think it's reasonable to post a (dupe) question on MSO about it, to hopefully get the attention of some SO employee who can fix it?
 
@jps to be clear: I mean it actually being added to review. I don't think that actually adds it to review.
 
jps
@RyanM how can we see if it was actually added to the queue?
 
@Dada I flagged it for a status-review tag. Agreed that it's annoying.
@jps Actually, it does add it to the queue, then immediately removes it: stackoverflow.com/posts/70107757/timeline
which...yeah, that's probably a bug.
 
8:34 AM
@RyanM Oh, I didn't know that it was possible to flag for status-review. Did you just cast a custom flag on it asking for a status-review?
 
@Dada Yep :-)
With a brief explanation of why
 
Got it, thanks :)
 
jps
@RyanM so no real harm
 
Indeed
 
8:55 AM
@SmokeDetector convoluted spam, or a bad example?
 
 
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12:00 PM
In this quesion the OP clearly read the warning that fiddles are not allowed to be posted without code directly and he just added a code line with the text that it is only bypass the SO validation. Is this reason enough to flag it to the moderator attention or would it be morelikely declined?
 
@bad_coder maybe also review the pending edit
 
@tacoshy What would you want a moderator to do there that you could not do yourself? The correct response is to vote to close the question for lacking debugging details. That's all a moderator would do. The only thing we could do would be to do it faster (single vote from a mod == closed), but that doesn't scale. Mods can't go around closing every single question that needs closing; there aren't enough of us for that.
 
@CodyGray thank you for your respond. I thought that intentionally breaking guidelines (more accurately intentionally bypassing limitations) are a no-go that moderators might sanction independtly from the close-vote/down-vote
therefor I was asking if that should be reproteded seperatly
 
@tacoshy Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, the first revision of that question (it had already been edited by the time I clicked through to it) was pretty... bold. But still no, I think the most appropriate remedy is just closing these questions. If you see the same user do it multiple times, then that's definitely worth a mod flag.
One note: avoid mentioning that you downvoted when leaving a comment. Votes are supposed to be private, and mentioning that you downvoted often just comes across as confrontational rather than helpful. Feel free to both comment and downvote, just don't tie the two together.
 
Aright I will keep it in mind. I thought it would be mroe helpfull (and it was) if the OP knows why he is down-voted and recieves a closing flag
 
12:12 PM
Totally fair to explain. Just don't need to mention "downvote".
I deleted the comments now, because the problem has been "fixed". Although I did leave one of my own, hopefully official-sounding. :-)
 
12:37 PM
@tripleee done.
Out of CVs for today. See you guys after 0 UTC o/
 
@bad_coder nice, it's only noon
 
12:55 PM
@Adriaan Haha, you finally found a MATLAB question I could answer. What's unclear about that one?
 
@CodyGray it's a question in 2 parts (too broad, I know): A) What does this code do? B) free code translation request
 
@Adriaan Oh, I did not read a "what does this code do?" question in there, just a "how do I translate this code into C". I see how you're getting that, though, based off the word "understand". But couldn't that just mean that they want/need to understand how to perform it in MATLAB?
 
@CodyGray oh probably. They could be clearer on why they need this and what it's supposed to do, as a direct translation into MATLAB might be worse than using a different built-in function
 
well the good thing is, that a specific user here that could answer the question also has the priviledges to open/close questions himself and answer it no matter off other opinions :P
 
Well, they're reading data from an accelerometer, which returns the 3 16-bit values for each axis packed into a single 64-bit field. What could be simpler? :-)
Why, yes, I did recently get my crystal ball polished! Why do you ask?
@Adriaan I am actually very curious if you think there's some built-in function or better way to do this, as some months ago, I wrote nearly identical code in MATLAB myself, and I just extracted bytes in the exact same way I'd have done it in C.
 
1:12 PM
Apparently people having more experience in byte-extraction can understand this better than I do. I'll remove my close vote; could you bin the request please?
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (by request)
Sure, done. Not implying your initial request was invalid. I admittedly completely rewrote the question.
 
@CodyGray you wrote the OP a nice example-post to follow for future interactions ;)
 
I must say, I really like your "discussion". It is constructive and on-point. Not toxic or in a way that anyone tries to prove who is more skilled. In other communities the conversations are way harsher and way less friendly! :)
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1:27 PM
?? looks like a part of their bio data... but why?
 
I didn't like the reference to a Mole.
 
@SurajRao This avenue of questioning will drive you crazy :-)
 
yup getting away from that rabbit hole
 
@AdrianMole "A mole mark off leftleg" Yeah, I'd be concerned, too. Check your left leg for a mark. Make sure it's not going to be removed without your knowledge!
@SurajRao No evidence of that.
 
Hidden mark-off models?
 
1:35 PM
A. Mole: Mark, off [with his] left leg
 
ok... The title edit looked odd to me for a suggested edit
 
Agreed. Unfortunately, just a bad edit.
 
@Dharman there's been some talk on MSE of raising certain limits (or granting privileges) for users that have exceptional stats. Maybe 100CV/day for someone that has 10k successful CVs with 95% efficiency rate would make sense.
 
@bad_coder Catija was mumbling something about that, in here, a wee while ago.
 
@AdrianMole I like the idea, it makes sense giving more allowance for someone with a good track record.
 
1:39 PM
It works for daily flag quotas.
 
Yeah, when I'm getting into a new tech reading lots of threads I do use up the 100 flags on comments.
 
Also, I think that, when we run out of close votes, we should still be able to raise close flags.
 
(Although with Barghav now gone we'll have to see if those will take longer to handle.)
 
As it stands, those without the CV privilege can review more closable posts than those with it.
 
@AdrianMole I think they don't allow raising flags after you run out of CVs in the hopes you'll get back to it after 0UTC and actually cast a vote.
Have to get back to work o/
 
1:42 PM
stackoverflow.com/posts/63692481/revisions is this a bug? I never edited the tags. Somehow synonymizing gave me the credit?
 
@AdrianMole So, when you don't have the ability to handle the problem yourself, you should be able to push the handling over on someone else? Hmm.
 
@CodyGray Well, expressed like that, it does seem a bit naff. However, take the FQ queue: I've run out of CVs but see a close-worthy post. A flag would move it from FQ into the CV queue ... which is where it belongs, is not?
... it would then require 3 CVs, rather than 2.
 
@SurajRao Tags were synonymized, but not merged. This means that the "stub" tag was never actually removed from posts that already had it, it was just going to be automatically replaced in the future by the new tag (that's what a synonym does). Even though you didn't touch the tags when you submitted your edit, because the synonym mapping was in place, the system automatically converted the "stub" tag into the new tag.
So... by design, not a bug, and sorta makes sense if you look at it with implementation-colored glasses.
@AdrianMole I mean, my point is, I think that's a silly end-around the actual solution to the problem, which is giving you more close votes if you want to cast them.
 
Ohk.. looking at ones edit history it is easy to think one may have done it by accident :p. This could have been credited to community though
 
You're the one who made the revision! I guess Community could have ninja'd a revision in between there, where it changed only the tag?
 
1:56 PM
Possibly. Don't they would change that now.
 
Could this be edited into a proper answer? I can't seem to properly decipher it...
 
It reads like NAA to me...
What you are left with is "R2dbc doesn't get my MySql version, because it has a check of it to ask for tx_isolation or transaction_isolation"
 
@SurajRao This is why I brought it up here. I agree with you. Reads to me like NAA and even cleaned it doesn't make much sense. But I lack the SME to tell if it actually makes sense in some way...
 
2:18 PM
I really miss to broad. Its only one question, and the question is clear. Is the answer to design the app for them? stackoverflow.com/q/70112614/1841839
 
2:29 PM
seems to be a mess
 
@DaImTo I'd go with "Needs focus". It's the successor of "Too broad" and I really don't see how "design a system" is focused. IMO, only the explanation text doesn't match well. Something that we mentioned to SE as soon as they rolled out the close reason text but they refused to change.
 
stackoverflow.com/a/70112802/4826457 is this NAA? or am I missing something?
@SurajRao cant it be renamed to q.js ?
 
Someone's busy improving the spamram
 
2:57 PM
The coinbase spam is thick and rich today.
 
What's the point of it? No one's gonna see it and think it's legit in the 60 seconds before it gets deleted... right?
 
@CertainPerformance If a single person gets suckered in, they pay for all the spam sent manyfold. It's exceptionally cheap for spammers. And if a single message survives, they might get somebody in a month time or in a year time. It's an uphill battle for us, and they have basically no losses. Only potential gain.
 
3:14 PM
They could at least stop using the same keywords to make it a bit harder to detect...
 
@CodyGray the question you improved is "deleted by author"
 
3:30 PM
@Juraj Thanks. Someone told them in the comments that questions about code-translation are off-topic.
@CertainPerformance One indeed wonders why the spam is not more targeted at moderators and power-users of Stack Overflow, who are the ones guaranteed to be seeing it. :-)
 
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