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12:03 AM
@KarlKnechtel I do not think you can fix it. You can post a comment with the usual phrasing "Does this answer your question? [title](link)" and retract your vote. Then hope that other close voters will notice the comment. Or post it here using [tag:cv-pls] [tag:python] duplicate <link>. You'll still need the comment on the post though. And there's no guarantee that it will be closed as a duplicate.
 
1:01 AM
@Scratte That's the least of your concerns. I have somewhere around 97%-98%. I'm not especially concerned with making the 99% gold badge cut, I think that's largely arbitrary.
 
 
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6:51 AM
Is this question opinion-based? stackoverflow.com/questions/63914573/…
 
@AlonEitan it is
 
8:14 AM
Is it ok if I post request here for the question older than one month (Jul 23) without any new activity? I am aware time limit for cv-pls is approx 1 month. Is there any time limit for del-pls?
 
@AmitJoshi nope, go right ahead
 
@AmitJoshi Time limit for cv-pls is 6 months. There is no limit for del-pls
 
@Dharman 6 months WITHOUT new activity?
 
Yeah, check FAQ
 
Based on the URL of the last SD report, it does appear to be spam, user has been around long enough (2+ years) to know what's permissible...
OP has done the same here... stackoverflow.com/a/63915842
 
8:20 AM
yeah mod flagged
 
 
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10:27 AM
Can a RO bin this message please? OP added a MCVE
 
11:12 AM
Is this explain the code c Question focused enough?
@Scratte I guess not :)
 
11:27 AM
Does anyone understand why this Question is invalidated from the close vote queue in less than 2 days from the timeline ?
@Scratte Correction: Less than 3 days. 2 days and 4.5 hours.
 
12:04 PM
Morning
 
There is so much wrong in this answer, I don't know if it's flag-worthy.
Maybe one should just edit out the meta-commentary, although it doesn't change the fact that the question is likely to have issues.
 
@E_net4thecommentflagger It's wordy, but it's also NAA. 100% commentary on other answers or downvotes
 
@Machavity I actually had flagged it, but retracted again because the second paragraph could have been perceived as an attempt to answer the question.
 
Zoe
@Vickel has pending edit
 
But anyway, given the same paragraph, the question seems to be Typo/Can't Reproduce.
Lol @Zoe
 
Zoe
12:18 PM
Hm?
 
@Zoe but this edit doesn't really make the question any better...
 
@E_net4thecommentflagger I read it as "The accepted answer helped me" with an explanation how they made a typo
 
Zoe
@Vickel Exactly, which is why it got rejected ^^"
 
@Zoe Good for you? :)
 
Zoe
12:23 PM
@E_net4thecommentflagger ^^"
 
@Zoe Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but if a really bad question got closed with a pending edit, I don't reject it, because if the edit gets accepted the OP lost their chance to rewrite the whole thing and the question will get deleted faster?
 
Zoe
Horrible edits that don't improve the question bump the question into the reopen queue. IIRC, you only get one try in the reopen queue, at least from edits, which does make it harder for it to be reopened in the unlikely event OP actually improves the question
 
^^ yeah exactly, and it will get deleted faster, supposedly
 
Zoe
Not exactly
 
Why not just approve the edit and then close the Question? The edit didn't make it worse. And now maybe someone else is going to edit it.
 
Zoe
12:34 PM
It being bumped attracts more downvotes, which can make it more likely to attract delete- and downvotes, but if it's left alone, it can't be deleted faster than 10 days (30 for dupes IIRC), assuming the roomba criterias hold up
@Scratte Because it encourages editing bad questions, which most of the time get deleted making any beautification edits for +2 rep a waste of reviews
 
@Zoe I do not think it works that way. Thinking that one user learns from someone else's experience is a bit flawed.
 
Zoe
What now?
 
But now it has some obvious cosmetic stuff that someone may feel needs improving.. and will edit it and bump it into the reopen queue. If the cosmetic edit was already done, there will be no other edit.
 
@Scratte The edit was insubstantial. They fixed grammatical problems only
 
@Zoe If a user gets the +2 for the edit and then the Question is deleted, they will learn, no? Others will not learn from that. Only the one editor.
@Machavity I know that. Which we fix all the time on non-OK posts. Just before closing them.
 
Zoe
12:39 PM
@Scratte assuming they notice and care. Keep in mind that when stuff is deleted, <10k users can't see the review (IIRC). SE is also notoriously bad when it comes to handling rep change events on deleted posts
ref. meta.stackoverflow.com/q/401213/6296561 (ironically 10k :') )
 
@Zoe I've had -2 on a post that was deleted, where I made an edit. I noticed.
 
Zoe
Not everyone notices though
 
@Zoe Deleted quite recently too, by the OP. Makes me wonder why.
 
It's one of the benefits of a diamond to be sure. Make those edits go away and then close
 
Most users will notice a reputation reduction.
I think we've done this for a long time. Make the edit and then close it. Especially for cosmetic edits to avoid someone else doing them after the post is closed.
 
12:43 PM
@Scratte or if you are one of the close voters,you should do the edit afterwards, isn't it?
 
@Scratte I've had a couple of otherwise unannotated "-2" hits in recent weeks. They can only be due to posts I once had approved edits on being deleted, as far as I can tell.
 
@Vickel Yes :) Else you risk the post is closed while you're making your edit :)
@AdrianMole Is there not a link to the post from the reputation page? (If you pick "show deleted posts")
 
@Scratte Yes, indeed there is! I forgot about that. As it happens, both were eaten by Roomba exactly a year after they were posted. (One was actually quite a poor edit by me - I left "thank you" in the post.)
 
I'm not sure if one can edit a non-wiki post by someone else after it's been deleted. But if so.. :D I guess you can still fix it.
 
@Scratte Deleted posts can be edited
 
12:51 PM
@Scratte Nah - I'll not bother.
 
Awesome. That will be my hobby if I get my 10K sock :)
 
@Machavity Can they be edited by people who can't see them?
 
@AdrianMole No. You have to be able to see them to edit
 
Very strange!
 
12:54 PM
@AdrianMole Actually for tiny-users like me, I can only see deleted posts that I've reviewed when I load the review. If I try to load if outside, I'm not able to see it. And I'm also not able to edit nor see the timeline of the post.
I can also see Questions of Answers where my Answer was deleted with the Question. But I cannot see the timeline of the Question.
 
Brilliant edit audit: "thanks in the java 107 dt getting installed tensorflow org springframework tests advance"
 
@Scratte And if I try to edit the Question, I get post is deleted
 
1:18 PM
Is this java Answer NAA? It's verbatim from the linked post and adding nothing else.
 
Not sure what to make of this question, especially since it has basically no body.
 
By quoting the contents, the answer is self-contained. So it isn't link-only.
 
True, but How to reference material written by others says "Do not copy the complete text of external sources; instead, use their words and ideas to support your own."
If one didn't have to write one's own Answer, we could all just be copying Jon Skeet and adding nothing else, no? :)
 
@Scratte But that doesn't make it NAA, does it?
 
@JeanneDark Not sure where the borders between NAA and I'm-not-sure-what-the-term-here-is are :)
 
1:26 PM
^^ I have dup hammers in both and , but I am out of CVs... :(
 
@Scratte You mean "custom flag"?
 
@JeanneDark I guess I'm asking what's the procedure here :) (apart from that, they didn't mention the user. They just linked the post.)
 
@Scratte I guess the correct procedure is to downvote and vote to delete once you have enough reputation
You may ask here if it could be considered plagiarism (in this case: custom flag), but NAA flag is pretty likely the wrong tool (it attempts to answer the question and is not link-only).
 
@JeanneDark Thank you. I'll see if I remember that in 10 years time ;)
 
@Scratte You can NAA flag it for science and then tell us the outcome
 
1:35 PM
@JeanneDark Why you give me bad suggestion? Messing with my statistics.. :D
 
The difference for me in NAA vs answer is whether or not the quote is concise and targeted at the question. Sometimes a small quote from the manual is instructive
 
@Machavity It is. I agree. But in this case the quote is the entirety of another Answer on another post. Incidentally I read the other post before I read this one..
 
@Scratte it is an attempt at answering, so not NAA, IMHO. However it is just a link to another answer, so the answerer should have flagged/close voted the question as a duplicate, instead.
 
and every word of it sounded very familiar.. as if I had just read that :D
@TylerH Unfortunately doing that now would be a disservice as it's not the same question and the other answers are clear on that.
 
However, since it is 3.5 years old and never got any substantial score, I doubt it is actually that useful, thus it might not actually be a duplicate (I don't know Java, despite getting an A in my Java class back in high school)
 
1:51 PM
Heh.. Java class :D (Bad humour alert)
 
@Scratte :-D
 
Zoe
@Scratte I object to this
 
@DavidBuck I don't like this question
 
@Dharman Nor me, but it seems to have a sensible answer
 
@DavidBuck I still don't see a programming problem. Read the source code of this page and tell me the m3u url isn't one.
 
2:50 PM
The OP edited their question to add their answer here: stackoverflow.com/q/63876804/5468463. Should I post the answer part as wiki after the rollback?
 
3:08 PM
@Vega You mean, assuming the question is reopened?
 
3:23 PM
@AdrianMole I believe it should be kept closed
 
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Q: We found a [which] - may we burninate it?

EJoshuaS - Reinstate MonicaThe which tag is rather vaguely described as: The selection of a set of data from another set. This tag is very ambiguous, and could refer to several different technologies with equal validity. The vast majority of questions are about R, but there are also Python, JavaScript, and Unix questions...

 
3:47 PM
@Vega No, the question should be deleted instead
 
@TylerH I wasn't sure that it could be a good candidate for deleting and is not a signpost, because of the upvotes on the question and answers. Usually it is frowned. Good, I will wait 1 more day and cast my DV
 
@Vega It's an nth dupe IMO. I think it is just one of those that got a random upvote frenzy due to being tagged with JS as well
 
4:02 PM
Did anyone just see that post on meta go to -7 and get deleted? I think it was this one Was it deleted because it was accusing someone of targeting them? I was looking over their post and the first thirty seconds I had before it also got deleted looked somewhat ok.
 
@code11 I did see that post. I didn't see any targetting there. Just confusion.
 
@code11 The OP self deleted the question.
 
I don't see questions on meta get deleted very often so I was wondering what happened there. @NathanOliver oh thanks. Strange.
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Needs a few downvotes to become eligible for deletion (today) .. but Roomba will eat it in 10 days.
 
4:14 PM
@code11 "I don't know why are some people getting this personal, by closing the question." - Hmm :-/ Seems for me that we don't teach new users enough of the processes going on. Maybe we need to improve the tour?
 
Zoe
I'm reasonably certain the only good way to improve the tour is by getting rid of it entirely, and replacing it with a system intended to be less, well, utter garbage
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@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio OP certainly felt targeted and likely rage deleted. Definitely a case of not understanding the rules, but I feel a bit bad since in looking over the question it might have been salvageable (I only saw it a second). Another satisfied customer /s sigh
 
I see a vote to undelete. Anyone feel to undelete it, too?
 
@Zoe ah, a subtle opinion, just what we need ;)
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio while sympathetic for the attempt, we still don't moderate meta here so let's not invite users from this rooms transcript to take an action there.
 
@rene Just wanted to discuss. You can delete it if you want to, sorry.
 
Zoe
4:24 PM
@rene ah yes, I'm best known for being extremely subtle at all times :P
 
@Zoe Definitely needs some improvement there. If you ask me, it is far to less information provided there at the moment.
 
Zoe
yeh, and it doesn't focus on everything it should
 
any advice if any action is needed here? OP asks question, self-answers shortly before the Q is closed as dup, and then re-posts the answer verbatim to the duplicate thread as well (disclaimer: dup answer is mine).
 
@desertnaut The answer in the closed question should be deleted.
 
@E_net4thecommentflagger that's what I thought, too
 
4:38 PM
@desertnaut custom mod flag with link to the answer in dup target
 
@ArghyaSadhu done, thanks
 
How do you quote someones message?
Do you have to go tot he transcript
 
the drop down left of the message has a permalink
 
@bigchungus Couple of ways. You can copy the text and put > in front of it. Or you can paste the transcript link and the system will post it. We tend to prefer the former
 
@ArghyaSadhu to me, yes.
 
@ArghyaSadhu indeed it is
 
Yeah..good that it's gone
 
5:23 PM
^^ (SD report) someone vandalized their question
 
6:13 PM
How is a thing?
 
@desertnaut you are a learning machine!
@DavidBuck it's a common colloquialism for KMSI/KMLI/RM (keep me signed in/keep me logged in/remember me)
so naturally there is a large subgroup of programmers on SO who think there should be a tag for it :-/
 
Not that large a subgroup....
 
true, just 38 people
I'd say go ahead and clean it up but I don't have 20k rep
so I don't count as a 'trusted user' for the abbreviated (<50 questions) burnination process
 
Wonder if there's a larger group of :)
 
Ugh. exists, too
 
6:18 PM
@DavidBuck Brought to you by the same team that created
 
@Braiam The movie with Robert Pattinson?
 
@TylerH ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@Braiam A popular tag. The first 50 questions have an average of < 0.2 upvotes
 
@TylerH Thanks wikipedia for the spoiler about a BAD END
 
6:22 PM
well, critics didn't like the ending
different from the ending being bad
 
Usually, I agree with critics when they don't like a movie because an unsatisfactory ending.
 
@TylerH None of those acronyms have a tag. Is there anything obvious that would be a candidate primary tag?
 
@DavidBuck I would say that the score is skewed by age.
 
@TylerH come again?
 
@DavidBuck I think Tyler point is that none should exist.
 
6:24 PM
@DavidBuck erm... not sure. Wouldn't something like be the right thing?
@desertnaut you have a gold badge in
 
@TylerH cookies or session-storage if we are talking about web browsers/http
 
@TylerH ah, yes - so this makes me a learning machine, right?
cool
 
@desertnaut Indeed
@Braiam I think it's a safe bet that "stay logged in" is only an option for web browser/http scenarios
 
@TylerH and I guess my totem animal is the python
 
I don't think I've ever seen a desktop application that requires authentication that lets you choose whether to stay logged in or not
 
6:26 PM
But again, that depends on the language and most programmers should only know two/three things about cookies: sameSite, HttpOnly and Secure
 
@Braiam I only know two: chocolatechip=good, raisin=bad
 
Most framework for sites served by http has boilerplate to set these protections, anyways.
 
Not sure if it's worth the effort to create a burnination request. is worse, because it's used for logged-in/out (primarily), logging and math.log
 
@Scratte It appears it was "invalidated" out of the CV queue a bit over 4 days after the close flag you raised as part of your "unsalvageable" response in triage, which is "normal". The problem is that invalidating the CV review at that time doesn't take into account that it took about 2 days from when you raised the close-flag to when the Triage review completed and allowed it to enter the CV queue.
 
I just experienced first power outage since a very long time. Now I know how Americans must feel.
 
7:01 PM
@Dharman Are we known for having unreliable power? glances at his utility that has recently started doing "public safety power shutoffs"
(fortunately I'm pretty sure the city is de facto immune to them, even if technically we're eligible...)
 
@Dharman Come live in my country, here it is part of life.
BTW, always have a backup power solution.
 
They also recently had to cut power in some areas due to a heat wave, but fortunately the heat wave ended after the smoke from the wildfires blotted out the sun. It's definitely not the apocalypse here and everything is totally fine and under control.
 
7:15 PM
@Makyen My flag list tells me I raised the flag on Sep 12 at 22:15 and timeline says it was invalidated in the close vote queue on Sep 16 at 00:03. Isn't that only a little more than 3 days?
But the point that it counts from the first flag is a little worrying. I expect some posts take long in the Triage queue and that could potentially lead to a post being in the close vote queue for maybe.. 5 min.
 
@Scratte That does appear to be a bit short. I'd have expected 3.5 to 4.5 days. Either it shaves things a bit further on the 3.x side, or it's using some other criteria (maybe when it entered Triage?).
 
@Makyen If it when it enters triage then my response is just "Argh!!!!".. :)
But I suppose it doesn't matter. When a post hasn't seen any close votes the first 24 hours then I find it's unlikely to get any. It's like the post is just pushed to the back of the queue and no one will look at it.
 
@Scratte I can understand that. It might be a misconception that Triage is supposed to be "quick". :; But, really, we're just guessing as to what the real cause is.
 
But also, due to the vote, I couldn't get it to Roomba.. ever. And I got a little annoyed with it pending in my flag list. I would have had to look at it for another 10 days :D The downside of slight OCD I guess :)
The other curious case I found is a post where I've had a flag pending since Sep 1 at 7:36. The post has now left the close vote queue, but even after 14 days, my flag is still pending. Which I find also a little odd.
But I'm curious about when the flag will age away, so I'll not post it here as a request yet :)
 
8:29 PM
I seem to remember a moderator here saying that they prefer a flag on a post instead of individual flags on comments on a lengthy comment trail. Did I mis-remember? Cuttent meta post: How to flag/moderate a comment conversation that's gone off the rails?
 
Can anyone here find a dupe target for this. I'd be surprised if there isn't one ... but I can't find it.
... if there is no "mod doesn't work for floating-point.." then somebody needs to post one.
 
@NathanOliver Nice! (Is your hammer empty, already?)
 
@halfer quite literaly =)
 
I don't have a C hammer. I've got C++, but that's an off by one error ;)
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8:45 PM
hehe
 
@NathanOliver isn't C++ just a macro extension of C? ducks into cover
 
<shakes fist>
 
13 times a gold hammer.. :O
 
@NathanOliver So you have a floating point hammer?
 
9:17 PM
@Turing85 Ha! Yeah, I was thinking that :=)
 
10:33 PM
 
11:01 PM
Can I ask for a 5K review on a tag-wiki edit?
 
@bad_coder It's for rejection? AFAIK, I've seen request about that.
 
@Braiam No, I made the edit to correct 2 typos. So it's minor, but it's been sitting for 4 days...
 
@bad_coder Mine was for about 10 days, don't worry, it would reach a reviewer... eventually.
The best way to get those in the front is to clear other edit suggestions so that 5ker are free of reviewing those.
 
M--
Would you review-pls this edit of mine and whether it made the answer acceptable or not? stackoverflow.com/posts/2297154/revisions It's still not in the language that question is tagged but seems very related as there had been an ongoing discussion at that time between OP and the user who's posted the answer.
 
11:18 PM
@bad_coder Not it it's your own edit. Please see FAQ #15: "Do not request action on posts or edits where you are involved or where you have a conflict of interest. … For requests about edits, you are involved if you are the author of the post or the author of the edit."
 
11:33 PM
@Makyen I read FAQ #15, but thought it only referred to post edits, not tag-wiki edits. Thank you for making that clear.
 
@bad_coder It very carefully doesn't include language that limits the restriction to only post edits. The restriction on making requests for reviewing edits was reviewed in a room meeting in 2017-11. The discussion at that time was specifically addressing the issue of requesting review of one's own tag wiki/excerpt edits.
 
@Makyen I will read the transcript. I was confused on this issue.
 

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