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1:30 AM
May I ask what exactly happens to the perpetrator when found guilty of serial voting? meta.stackoverflow.com/q/362002/2943403 I want to understand why every time I am abused, then the rollback occurs, then a small scale repeat offense occurs (which is under the threshold). Is anything actually done or said to the abuser? Does a script actually tell them -- "Don't target a user with your votes, you are not helping the community when you vote with bias for/against a user."
Do they necessarily get a 1 week cooling off?
My posted SO questions are not really questions, they more so serve as pincushions / sin-eaters. What a shame.
 
2:15 AM
@mickmackusa The typical moderation response track is: Warning notice --> [short suspension < 7 days (this stage is sometimes used, sometimes not)] --> 7 day suspension --> 30 day suspension -> 365 day suspension --> [more 365 day suspensions (this stage is sometimes used, sometimes not)] --> CM involvement for longer or network-wide suspensions.
When deemed appropriate (e.g. usually for violating rules of conduct in some manner, which includes targeted voting), users are moved along that track. If there are no specific issues with that user for an unspecified period of time, the user is moved backwards on the track, or reset to the beginning. Moderators may choose to use other methods to communicate with the user, skip steps, or may just delete/destroy the account, depending on circumstances (e.g. spammers, sock-puppets, etc.).
 
Oh, that's different than was explained to me a couple years back. I was under the impression that once you were on the "track" there was no lessening of the ban durations. Well, I'm happy to hear that there is an element of forgiveness.
 
 
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3:20 AM
@eyllanesc probably belongs on meta...
 
3:36 AM
@Nick I don't know, for me it's just noise.
 
 
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7:46 AM
@AmitJoshi you didn't vote to close yourself? also, seems more like it's "general computing"...
 
@Nick I did. In my view; it is not general computing. OP need to put in more details to come to any conclusion. I suggested him/her so long back. No improvements.
 
@AmitJoshi Weird... when I looked at it there weren't any close votes...
 
@Nick May be we were doing it simultaneously; its internet :)
 
indeed... :)
 
:50461266 No; I cast it today only immediately after posting cv-pls here. Ohhhh, that might be the reason. I post cv-pls and went there to case close vote and while that, Nick also watching the question.
 
@RyanM Oops... missed the message before the flood...
 
@Nick The most important part is not to red-flag nuke 12 posts from an otherwise positively contributing user that really just all needed to be mod-deleted, so that was accomplished :-)
 
@RyanM unfortunately I did flag a couple of them...
 
Also a fun exercise in chat ratelimiting :D
 
I wonder if red flags are aged away in 48 hours on deleted posts too.
 
8:29 AM
@Scratte They have been marked helpful... @RyanM is there anything that can be done to get rid of them?
 
@Scratte are other flags aged away in 48h on deleted posts?
@Nick The objective is to avoid spam-deleting them and applying a 100-rep penalty, which happens if either 6 spam flags are cast by users, or 1 spam flag is cast by a moderator. In this case, the posts were deleted by a moderator, but not by casting a spam flag, so it marked the spam flags helpful but did not apply the penalty.
Also to avoid flooding the moderators with flags, I think.
 
@RyanM No. Only red flag have this short time to live. "rude/abusive and spam flags expire after 48 hours", see flag posts
 
@Scratte ...huh, that seems like an anti-feature...
 
@RyanM It's really that we don't want to suddenly give the moderators a large number of posts to look through which don't obviously look like spam. Unless there's some explanation, moderators are relatively likely to decline the flags in a first pass look at the posts, because they will be feeling like you've put them on a very tight clock.
 
the most important flags are removed if the mods take the weekend off
 
8:37 AM
@RyanM You don't say :D ..some of our resident moderators were also surprised by this "feature" :)
 
@Scratte IIRC, we've already had a discussion about the 48 hours being incorrect. IIRC, the correct amount of time is nominally 4 days.
 
@Makyen Is it a tight clock to avoid additional flags being piled on, or just because spam flags are "urgent"?
 
@Makyen So.. it's 96 instead of the 48 as per the help page?
 
@RyanM Both. Particularly with a large number of posts being reported, and the list being widely publicized.
 
The only problem with this is that we cannot test it. There's noway a red flag gets to age away on Stack Overflow.
 
8:42 AM
@Scratte There's a range. As usual, it's a task that is run on a periodic basis. If the flag is older than N, then it's aged away. I'm searching for where I describe the numbers I've seen on the red flags I've had age away.
 
@Makyen I've noticed my close flags age away in about 14 days. I have no idea which flags age away after 4 days though. They mention 4-14 days for other types of flags on the help page.
 
@Scratte I'm not finding it. IIRC, it was 4.0 to 4.5 days, as the task ran twice a day. However, I could be remembering incorrectly.
 
@Makyen But.. why is this not being updated on the help page.. :(
It also doesn't mention that custom flags never age away. That seems to be some we "just know".
 
@Scratte Because you haven't created a feature request meta post asking them to fix it. :)
 
@Makyen Well.. that's just silly. Users shouldn't have to "revolt" to get correct information out :(
 
8:57 AM
@Scratte Note that all of the aging away is going to be a significant range of times. They don't age away at a specific instant. We've previously discussed the amount of time it takes a close-vote/close-flag to age away, inducing ranges.
 
9:11 AM
@Makyen I did not remember that conversation. I could be too close to Christmas for me to be able to focus right. I did expect a time to be attached to the flag, not a script running, which seems to be the case. How confusing :)
 
Is this about programming? It reads as something vague about compression ratios
 
9:40 AM
@Adriaan I don't think it is. I was the final close voter
@Scratte yeah, I concur. Staying on focus is a challenge ...
 
I thought your blurriness was intrinsic :)
 
9:56 AM
@SmokeDetector totally unclear
 
Can anyone with C++ knowledge take a look here? The answer claims revisions 2 and 4 are significantly different and ask different questions. I reverted vandalism, but should it be reverted to revision 2 rather?
 
@RyanM what's the reason of cluttering the place here with requests not to flag something?
 
@desertnaut limitation of Smoke Detector that there's no way to report posts without copying them to SOCVR.
 
@RyanM so ... no free flags?
 
10:06 AM
Charcoal wants the posts for records, but moderators don't want a flood of spam flags on the posts.
@Adriaan I'm gonna refer you to our cherished moderator on that one :-)
 
@RyanM oh, I'll ignore the batches from now on in that case. I did flag the previous batches
 
and I'm done looking for more of this spam campaign because I want to sleep... closes 46 tabs
 
@Adriaan If they are obviously spam, go for it. Please flag them. If they should be handled with more nuance than just spam-deleting the posts, which most undisclosed affiliation should be, then please hold off on flooding the posts with spam flags, particularly when they are reported in larger volumes and/or when they look like they might be constructive posts, except for the fact that there's undisclosed affiliation.
 
Hello where to complain about voting corrected? is there any separate group?
 
10:15 AM
@turivishal about what? Do you want votes corrected?
 
@Adriaan if I were a betting man I'd bet it has something to do with the -728 "Voting corrected" in their reputation history
 
@Adriaan Actually yesterday around 750 points was minus its says voting corrected. i think there is some problem, how its possible, its corrected 750 points in a day.
 
@turivishal meta.stackexchange.com/q/126829/325771 read this. An account has been deleted, and that account generated a lot of upvotes on your posts, which have been removed during deletion. This is usually either a sock puppet (account you manage to vote on your own posts), or someone else's sockpuppet who voted on your posts as well to make the sock puppeting less obvious
 
@Adriaan Ohh , but how its possible one person who voted me and its too big points. i am also not remembering that one person is voted me frequently.
 
@turivishal Well, I can vote on 75 of your posts, and you'd gain 750 reputation. They just voted on a lot of your posts, and every single one of those votes have been removed.
 
10:22 AM
@Adriaan a small quibble: If it were an account being deleted, it would say "User was removed". "Voting corrected" is voting reversal by scripts or staff.
 
@RyanM oh, right. Soooo, the sock is still there (not deleted) but the votes were reversed?
 
@Adriaan well, who knows what the staff did after reversing the votes...maybe, maybe not
(I'm assuming that a reversal that large was done manually)
 
@Adriaan No accounts were deleted. An employee manually corrected votes which were not legitimate
 
@turivishal In recent days, S.O. staff have been doing a lot of checks on suspected voting rings and other suspicious voting patterns. You may have been an unwitting 'victim' of such voting. You could raise the issue in a question on Meta - you may get a specific answer from a staff member, but may not (they are very busy).
 
This happens when one user votes on posts just because they were written by another user. This is called user targeting and we do not allow to target users with our votes
@turivishal If you were not breaking any rules you have nothing to worry about. Simply ignore these votes as if they never happened.
 
10:27 AM
@AdrianMole ah, good. I'm looking forward to receiving back a lot of rep due to the classical 2 DVs on old questions within seconds
 
@Adriaan Are you holding your breath? :)
 
@Adriaan I think they're only handling cases that were escalated to them by Community Moderators. Apparently, there was a considerable backlog.
Personally, I'm waiting for about 2K of rep. from answers I posted that should have been upvoted, but weren't. :-)
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@AdrianMole well, I have a helpful flag mentioning this occurring on my account from a month or so back. Votes haven't been reversed, so I guess I'm in the backlog. Nothing as serious as 750 rep though (for me it's about the post score much more than rep)
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, I seem to be, oh, 1403 rep short of where I clearly should be :-p
Oh, yeah, they're definitely getting through them... someone I reported for voting fraud had one of their multiple sockpuppets deleted by a moderator. Now the main account itself is gone.
 
@RyanM By the end of the week we could all be back to not having edit privileges ;)
 
10:37 AM
ooh, -332 here, -208 there...
 
I think @Dharman spotted a -3,000 (or thereabouts) on somebody's account.
 
I expect a -200 at any point now :)
 
All mutual upvotes between SOCVR regulars will be ... doubled.
 
I think I've been serially upvoted once. No idea who did it.
 
@AdrianMole The biggest one so far is almost 4k stackoverflow.com/…
 
10:41 AM
..and an un-upvote on the same day. That last one has to hurt a little.
 
@Dharman thank you, i can understand, what can i do now? just leaving on moderator.
 
Nothing. Move on.
 
@Dharman yup thank you
 
It's just fake internet points. You do not need them to live.
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10:54 AM
duplicate: How do I determine if non transparent pixel was tapped within the UIImage? OP reopened after I hammered it. I thought the solution can be easily reached by combining the two dupe targets. So I started to doubt myself, which is why I came here to get a second opinion.
 
11:22 AM
Interesting ... I just came across this in the First Posts review queue. It looked vaguely familiar. Anyway, it's clearly NAA, so I went to flag it as such ... but then I was informed that I had already raised an NAA flag on it ('organically', from SOBotics). I can't remember this happening before; is it a bug?
 
@AdrianMole I've had that happen too on a spam post.
 
Odd. I know you won't (or shouldn't) get reviews in LQP that you have sent there (by flagging) but wasn't aware of the policy for other queues.
 
@AdrianMole Nobody sends post to the First Posts queue though. The system does that.
 
@Scratte Well, I suppose you could say the the poster sends it there. ;) But, even so, I was presented with a review that I was physically incapable of actually reviewing (properly).
... but I'll survive.
 
Argh! The post was edited out of the Low Quality Posts queue :(
 
11:28 AM
@Scratte Aaaaarghhh indeed! That edit should be reported somewhere.
 
Yes.. There is a room for that.
 
As an edit, it's not in itself problematical. But it was done from within the LQP review queue. Ugh. Thrump. Eek.
 
I've re-flagged the post.. hopefully it will be removed this time.
 
@Scratte That's where the power of 20K comes in! Had there been any 'real' "Delete" vote(s) on that from LQP, then I think the votes would stick, so they would still be there if/when it goes back into LQP.
 
The odd thing about this is that I can now "I'm Done" the post, even if I didn't do any action on it inside the First Posts queue. I flagged and commented outside the queue only.
 
11:38 AM
@Scratte That's normal, I think. Sometimes, I accidentally do my flagging/editing/whatever on a review post outside the queue (from the "link"); I can then just refresh in the queue itself and the "I'm Done" button activates.
 
@AdrianMole It certainly wasn't a very good edit, though. Still quite jumbly, just that one part was now a code block.
 
@AdrianMole if only this worked for the close queue whenever I open it in a tab, forget I did that, then close the question from outside the tab...
 
@AdrianMole Yes.. but then why was the post not presented to you where you could just "I'm Done" it? :)
 
@Scratte Presumably, because the edit cancelled my flag. I guess I could have put a VLQ on it, instead?
 
@AdrianMole Was your flag marked helpful or declined?
 
11:41 AM
@Scratte I'll check. However - I just went back to the post in the FP review and the "I'm Done" button was active, so I clicked it. Weird.
@Scratte It was marked "Helpful." ?!?
 
@AdrianMole Probably the logic is that it was NAA until someone edited it into a non-NAA (AA? :-) making your flag valid :)
 
So, making an NAA into a NANAA, or even into a not a NANAA is considered helpful? xD
 
@AdrianMole At least you'll know to double-check next time you get an active "I'm Done" button :) I purposely didn't do the review. How fortunate for your review count, huh? :)
 
hehe
 
12:13 PM
Morning
 
'fternoon
 
What do we think, trolling or just thoughtless? stackoverflow.com/q/63901469
 
12:44 PM
 
1:07 PM
 
Is this suggested wiki excerpt OK, or is it a wee bit spammy? Only one question with the tag (as also with the 'related' [checkwx] tag).
 
@Adriaan has a question now. I guess it needs a second comment to ask why and how they want to shorten?
 
@AdrianMole Roomba will take care of that question though
 
... Even without the "spam factor," I'd probably reject that as "Lacks usage guidance."
@JeanneDark Will the tag(s) then go with it?
 
@AdrianMole any tag without questions will be purged at 03:00 UTC daily.
 
1:26 PM
So called zombie tags.
 
But Zombies can still make spam, is not?
 
zombies prefer brains, not spam
 
@AndrasDeak They prefer [brains]? What?
 
Welsh Zombies prefer Brains.
Oops.
 
@AdrianMole I'm Batman!
 
1:50 PM
Is this R/A, or just NAA?
If it was a comment, I'd flag it as "Unfriendly or Unkind" for being condescending.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I flagged as NAA and down voted. It's not enough for me to nuke it and give them a rep penalty, but its close.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Won't Roomba handle it (has no answer)?
 
@JeanneDark It would. But I want to go such stuff off the newest tab quickly
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, it's condescending, but not sure if it rises to the level of outright abuse. It's borderline.
 
If only we had mods in this room that could weigh in ;)
 
1:56 PM
I guess I'm the only one that doesn't find it rude?
 
I don't find it rude. It is NAA
 
It makes me want to google python stuff :)
 
Maybe. It's rude to me as a simple comment like "Sorry mate, this is too broad a question for stack overflow. Here's a <link> to a good article on this" would be all you really need and is a comment I would leave and vote to close after that.
 
It's gone! I'm glad the answer was deleted separately from the question, though!
 
Heh.. you're just happy about your new powers :D
 
2:05 PM
@Scratte All power corrupts. I like to be corrupted.
 
Oh man, I missed it. Congrats on the 20K Adrian.
 
I've been looking for @NathanOliver answers to delete - but it seems they're all (heavily) upvoted. :-(
 
That reminds me I need to find some answers for Adrian to delete
 
hehe - "Dharman the Mole-Feeder"??
 
Nobody expects the Spani.. Mole to whack
 
2:17 PM
@AdrianMole Can you delete accepted answer? e.g. stackoverflow.com/a/14618538/1839439
 
@Dharman Well, that has an 'active' "delete" button/link. What's wrong with it?
 
It uses obsolete mysql_* API. Converting this to a modern standard would be difficult. I am just trying to find examples. You don't need to vote to delete if you don't want to.
The other answer which I just formatted works and uses mysqli which is still available
 
It's clearly unpopular with the SMEs but the OP accepted it at the time. I'm not really sure that being outdated is the best reason to delete. Maybe add a note that it is no longer valid?
 
There are comments already. Let me find something that should definitely be deleted.
 
Feel free to do so. However, if I were to delete that answer and then the poster raised the issue on Meta, and asked me why I deleted it, then I would be on a sticky wicket. Would I say, "Because the Vigilantes in SOCVR asked me to?"
 
2:27 PM
Well, then I need to find something that you could come to a conclusion yourself that needs to be deleted
 
@AdrianMole that is my default reason. Will work.
 
@rene So says the Lord-High Vigilante!
@Dharman Of course, it's not that I don't trust your judgement (I do, actually). If you (or anyone else) were to come upon an accepted answer that was potentially/actually dangerous, and explained to me why, then I would consider casting a delete vote.
 
The problem is I don't keep track of them. Finding one that can be deleted is not so easy as it turns out.
 
@AdrianMole "Because he's the hero SO deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight."
 
@JeanneDark Roll Credits
 
When I find an answer that can be deleted usually the question needs to go to. This is not going to work
 
3:26 PM
A bit of a strange javaScript Question that started out as a typo, but they say fixing that gives them the same error as before. How can that be?
 
@ArghyaSadhu OP
 
3:40 PM
@Dharman It was not the OP who was last active 2 hours ago while that NAA was posted 1 hour ago.
 
4:40 PM
You're back :)
 
I never really left.
 
Not even chat?
 
4:53 PM
Just came across this in the Reopen Queue. Currently standing at 1 reopen vote and 4 delete votes. I'm not going to vote to reopen it ... but should it suffer deletion? Is this a candidate for an Historical Lock?
 
I think Historical Lock.
 
I agree with a lock
 
Yeah, the answer looks worth preserving
 
5:11 PM
Cool! I made an Historical impact. :-)
 
5:51 PM
Does anyone know how I can actually install Sam's "Flag Badge" script? @Dharman gave a link to the repo yesterday, but I can't figure out how to install it. I can download it, save it, paste it into a "New" script, but just can't get it to install. (I'm on Edge/Chrome and have TamperMonkey.)
 
6:12 PM
@AdrianMole If it's on GitHub and you have a userscript manager installed, click the "raw" button.
 
@Makyen Thanks - but Scratte has just 'sorted me out' in the Ministry.
... but, yesterday, I found a blog/post somewhere about the "raw" button but couldn't find it.
Is this spam, or just an innocent mistake/NAA?
 
@Dharman Is that a lacks-MCVE because there is too much code there?
 
@AdrianMole Here's a GIF of using the "Raw" button.
 
@AdrianMole You probably had already cooked it
 
@Makyen Thanks again - I'll try it out when I next have the chance.
@TylerH GitHub is also something I need to learn more about. Another thing on my list of things to do "when I grow up!"
 
6:19 PM
@Makyen Awesome :) That's very user friendly :)
 
@AdrianMole well, no but it does lack affiliation.
 
@rene I gave the OP the benefit-of-the-doubt and just gave an NAA.
... I did a bit of digging and it seems to be a one-off.
 
@AdrianMole good, thanks
 
@DanielWiddis I would argue that it is asking for off-site content.
 
@Turing85 agreed, I mistyped
 
6:31 PM
hi @πάνταῥεῖ =)
 
@code11 Yes
 
@Turing85 Gawd, your ping startled me :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You're welcome ;)
 
Less pings are nicer ;)
 
We need more pongs and less pings!
 
6:37 PM
^that
 
There's an option to turn the ping sound off.
 
I once used to have a ping sound with P. Gabriels "Sledgehammer" flute intro. That was smooth ans easy. Unfortunately I forgot how to set it individually, must have been a user script sor something.
 
Smell-release modules on laptops and mobile phone: Welcome to the Future!
 
The ping sound on chat.stackexchange is ..not very pleasant, if you ask me.
 
is there no userscript to change it?
 
6:50 PM
I am looking it up atm
 
@πάνταῥεῖ let us know if you found one :P
 
Of course I'll do
 
Yes, please let us know. We want the flute intro too :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ SE Chat custom notification sound. There's an answer with a GitHub repo that has some updates. It still has some bugs, in that it ends up that you have to manually set the sound each time you open a chat room. This reminds me that I need to submit a PR that fixes that.
 
7:00 PM
@Makyen Can't one just fix that hardcoding it fiddling with the script? :)
 
@Makyen I think I found the original one from that dutch guy, but it didn't work right now. I'll try your link, ty.
 
@Scratte Yes and no. There were other bugs, which prevented the code from detecting the file and actually setting up the new file.
 
7:27 PM
@Scratte @Turing85 Here you go: github.com/murukeshm/SEChatSound/raw/master/… (choose raw view and it will install)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ can you ping me again?
 
@Turing85 ping
 
noice
 
7:40 PM
@Makyen OK. Submitted a PR.
 
8:24 PM
@AdrianMole Yeah, seems like it only exists just to advertise the site
 
@TylerH You're probably right. I gave it everything but a red flag (down-vote, delete-vote, VLQ flag).
 
@AdrianMole that should be spam-flagged, not deleted
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter I was in 'uncertain' territory.
 
I "solved" it
 
... but, having posted it here, I'll not argue with others' choices.
@rene Heh - unfocused, maybe, but not insolvent.
 
8:27 PM
 
8:45 PM
Can someone ping me please?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ BRB finding UTF-8 characters
 
@Machavity The script works now, but I can't get my personal sound. I tried locally stored and GitHub Repo none works. I can play it fine in the Windows Media Player, from my local disk. No clue what's wrong.
If someone likes to try it, here's the repo:
 
The technical term is, I believe, "borked."
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Believe it or not I feel your pain on that one
 
8:54 PM
:-D
 
Wait, what? Mods ask questions too?
Isn't this like a conflict of interests?
 
Huh, why not?
 
Nobody dares close vote it :D
 
@Scratte [cv-plz] Reason: Moderators should be leaders and not here to learn.
 
They might lead by providing authoritative examples of good questions?
 
9:02 PM
Fastest way to get a review ban: "Requires editing" on a moderator post :)
 
@JohnDvorak Now you're just mixing up the mud w' the mod!
@Scratte Nah! Just raise a VLQ flag on it.
 
@AdrianMole Someone would have to for someone else to review it in Triage, no? :)
 
@Scratte Don't think anything but new users' posts go into Triage, is not?
 
@AdrianMole Yes, they do.. I've seen post there by users with much more than 1 reputation points. I expect a VLQ flag on any Question sends it to Triage.
 
... anyway bat flattery on my machine and a full frontal lobotomy bottle in front o' me, so I'm skipping out.
 
9:07 PM
But, there are restrictions on the availability of the VLQ flag on Questions. It would not be present on this post, as the post is too old (more than 7 days if I remember correctly) and has a positive score.
 
@Scratte Indeed! However, I just did a scientific test, and the "In need of moderator attention" flag is available on that question. ;)
... Goodbye, Gold Flag-Badge
 
I was mistaken. Just one upvote. Total score is irrelevant.
@AdrianMole lol!. What's your margin? :) total and declined? :) Note that the flagger statistic script only cares for post flags. Red flags and comment flags don't count.
 
@Scratte According to Sam's Script: Total: 3490; Declined: 31; Accuracy: 99.11%.
.. on his "Global Flag Stats" I'm a bit higher: 4,012 total, 99.20%.
 
You can get 3 more declined flags without losing your Gold-badge :)
At 35 declined you'll need 3517 post flags
However.. you'll need another 12408 post flags to get the green badge (at 31 declined)
 
@AdrianMole Only 31 declined. Nice! I have much more.
 
9:44 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I was able to get it to play a custom sound, but it was necessary to tell No Script that the remote domain for the sound wasn't to be blocked.
 
@Dharman Yeah - but you have a much higher total!
@Scratte Is Green now more precious than Gold? I know I'll need a bigger overall total to get to the next level ("Elite" - is that Green).
 
@AdrianMole Yup. That's the green one. color: var(--green-500) which is #48a868;
 
I wonder how many people belong to the elite.
 
So, if I send you a wheelbarrow full of (green) cabbages, will you send me back the same wheelbarrow full of gold?
@Dharman I would guess that our pal @Shree would be amongst them.
 
9:53 PM
I'm still wondering why those criteria matter all that much. It's just the numbers one moderator picked for a script they wrote. It's not even clear how many moderators run the script, let alone ever look at that rating.
 
@Makyen Shush... let us have it
 
@Makyen It's a badge Mr Galaxies! That's what this site is all about! (Helping folks out is just an unfortunate side-effect.)
 
@Dharman Not a lot, I'm sure. gnat had it some time ago. It was actually a screen shot of gnat's profile that got me started on it
 
@Dharman I would, but people appear so concerned over the possibility of getting a declined flag that they are choosing to not flag when it's even remotely marginal, which, overall, is detrimental.
 
@Makyen I'm sure it will not surprise you that I check my statistics at least once a day. And in all fairness none of these internet points really matter for our ability to live and be happy. It's just a hobby. Some go for reputation points, I like my flagging statistics :)
 
9:58 PM
I think the goal of this rankings was to encourage flagging more, not less. You need to have a certain number of helpful flags. You can't get thousands of helpful flags without getting few declined ones.
 
@Makyen Maybe a 'system-level' fix whereby mods could (in special circumstances) change a flag decision would ease such concerns. I've seen so many Meta posts where mods have apologised for making an 'iffy' decision but then said there's precious little they can actually do about it.
 
@AdrianMole These are extremely rare situations. There are hundreds of flags being handled each day.
 
I agree entirely. In the great scheme of things, moderator errors are very rare. But, like in life, bad news gets far more copy than good news.
 
I also don't understand the aversion to declined flag. I am often surprised that some of my flags are marked helpful.
 
@AdrianMole It would be reasonable to have that, and the ability to provide feedback on comment flags. As for being able to change the state of flags after one has been set, the only thing I'm aware of that moderators can do is change the red-flags on a post to "disputed", which is an all-or-nothing thing to do.
 
10:01 PM
Also fun is when you have two types of flag on the same comment. You can't split them like post flags
 
I haven't had a declined comment flag since June when I flagged Adrian's comment.
 
@Dharman Again - I cannot disagree. My review 'history' shows that I sometimes get a wee bit too eager. However, despite the occasional suspension (I've never actually been flag-banned, but I got a few warnings, in my early days) I will maintain my vigil and my overall contribution to site curation. Others, obviously, have different feelings.
 
The greatest joy is seeing stuff disappear. Whether it's comments, NAAs, questions or user accounts
Another one bites the dust
 
Yep! That's what user-level curation is all about, really. Not badges. I haven't raise many custom mod-flags but, when I do, I'm less concerned about it being declined than I would be about not flagging. If it bothers me, and normal user action won't do, then I'll flag.
 
That was the one unexpected benefit from becoming a mod. You get a fast lane for NAA/LQP
 
10:05 PM
@AdrianMole OTOH, other than making it possible to learn better what flags should be raised, the fact that a flag was declined doesn't really mean much, and shouldn't be taken as a huge affront.
 
@Makyen Indeed. But some folks don't like the 'bad statistics' on their account. Personally, I just move on, learning the lesson if need be.
... anyone who can see my history (or cares to look) will quickly see that I am far from 'perfect' (whatever that means); however, I would hope they would also see that I strive to make positive contributions.
@Machavity So, are you personally responsible for the recent, severe downsizing of the LQP queue? Can't remember the last time I managed to get 20 reviews in.
 
10:21 PM
 
@Makyen Are we talking about me? :) Just to be clear, I wasn't very concerned about it until the plagiarizing on Questions thing. Which made me stop flagging lots of stuff and generally reluctant to use the custom flags.
I didn't even know about the flagger statistics user script when that happened.
 
@Scratte I'm trying not to harp on you wrt. your issue with flagging, and generally with having something negative on "your stats". But, yes, you are one of the first to come to mind. OTOH, I'd rather not see other people becoming overly-concerned about how their "stats" look, particularly about ones which are only visible to themselves and moderators.
I agree that looking at those "stats" a bit is interesting. The problem is when concern for the "stats" starts preventing you and/or other people from doing things that are helpful for the site, which y'all were willing to do when not concentrated on the "stats".
 
ha, hit the nail on the head there
 
@Makyen But there are other more serious things that's preventing me from doing what I think it right. But one has to work with the way things are. And honestly, I really doubt that there's more than a handful of user even aware of that script and those that are, are regulars here.
 
10:36 PM
@AdrianMole There's other mods. But yeah, the overall queue has been low of late
 
Am I allowed to request an answer be deleted in this room? This one is at best NAA, at worst R/A stackoverflow.com/a/63910656
 
@Nick Seemed to work?
 
@Nick Has to be at 0 score, since you can't delete a positive score (we expect delete voters to be willing to downvote)
 
@Scratte If all it was was people going "oh neat" look at that, it would be fine. From what's been said, it's just felt that there's been an intensional shift in how people flag in order to make it more likely for them to get a higher ranking, by reducing the number of flags which they raise in areas which are not as clear cut.
While some of that is good, particularly if someone had a high rate of declined flags, choosing not to address marginal issues for fear of getting a declined flag has the potential of being negative overall.
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@Nick You can request a [tag:flag-pls] <link> if you think a red flag is appropriate. Else.. an NAA will get it deleted :)
 
10:39 PM
Waffles™
 
mmm... waffles...
thanks for the responses.
 
@Makyen I can't speak for others, but even if I do not want to flag something, I generally bring it to someone else or into the room, so it's not like issues are just ignored. The passion with flagging statistics doesn't mean things are not addressed in some form.
 
@Scratte OK. I appreciate that. The impression I've gotten from the conversations has been that some things fall by the wayside, whereas previously they would not have.
 
11:00 PM
Should I vote to delete this? stackoverflow.com/q/9077543/1839439
 
@Dharman I will even if you do not
 
Out of 8 links, 3 of them are dead. And it's unlikely that anyone who want's to know about this and uses a search will not find a tutorial. I do not see why they have to come to Stack to get those links.
 
^ +1 ... Even if it was on-topic when asked, it's so far and so clearly off-topic now that it offers nothing. Even the highly upvoted answer is really nothing more than a link.
 
Yep, can't see any value in the question or any of the answers
I'm surprised that only took 3 delete votes given the highly upvoted accepted answer.
 
Yeah - I was surprised when lil' ole me made it go pink.
 
11:07 PM
@Nick I think it would have taken more delete votes to delete the one Answer, than to delete the entire Question :)
 
Maybe because there was no accepted answer?
... or was there?
 
Why are you asking little me? You can check, no?
 
@Scratte I checked - there wasn't.
... or was there?
Nothing in the timeline for the Q says "accept". Or in the timeline for the answer.
 
If an Answer is unaccepted, the trace of it being accepted at one point vanishes, no?
 
But deletion doesn't remove the accept action, is not?
 
11:11 PM
One can only go check the reputation page of the answerer, if it's really important to know if it was accepted at some point. And hope it wasn't un-accepted on the same date.
 
The answer was definitely accepted; it also had one more upvote before deletion.
 
@Scratte At the least, it shows up in reputation history. I don't know if moderators can see it in the post history.
 
@AdrianMole It does
 
It matters to me about the same as whether or not the POTUS has legs of equal lengths.
 
@Dharman That's a twist I wasn't aware of.
 
11:13 PM
It's only a soft unaccept. If you undelete the answer gets accepted again.
 
OP hasn't lost the reputation, presumably because the question/answer are so old.
 
Or the recalc hasn't kicked in yet
 
They already got the -2 from the downvote prior to deletion
 
@Nick Nett score > +3 and longer than 60 days: rep. won't be lost.
 
Do they not retain the reputation points of the accept as well?
 
11:14 PM
If >= +3, they keep all rep.
 
@AdrianMole thanks, I thought it was something along those lines
 
Way ninja'd :)
 
Heh - The Mole ninja's Mak-the-Mod. xD
 
Isn't it supposed to be whack-a-(adrian)mole?
 
Once (properly) whacked, "Adrian" => "A Drain."
 
11:22 PM
I have a very strange flag. It's been pending for 15 days now. The Question has only been seen 43 times, and it seems to be in the close vote queue, since I cannot see it leaving the queue. But I though a post would not be in the queue for more than 14 days.
 
11:39 PM
@Scratte That's not quite accurate. Close flags/votes aging away can be delayed if there are other close-votes cast on the question.
 
@Makyen Sorry. I didn't mention that. There are none :)
I expect it entered the close vote queue around 09:20 on Sep. 1st. Though it unfortunately did get a "No actions needed" later from the First Posts queue. But since my flag is pending, I assume that review didn't impact it entering the close vote queue.
 
@Scratte As far as I know, you have no ability to see if there are close-flags on a question by other people.
 
@Makyen I have a user script for that :) It's asking the API
 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63910956/get-list-containing-lowest-value-from-list-of-lists

I found this duplicate after previously voting to close for a different reason:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13052857/comparing-two-lists-using-the-greater-than-or-less-than-operator

Now I can't retract and change, someone please fix it?
 
@Scratte As far as I know, that information is not available.
 
11:51 PM
@Makyen Sorry. I misread. You are right. I cannot see flags. I can only see votes.
 
@Scratte That's consistent with my understanding.
 

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