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7:00 AM
Meaning you want sponsorship specifically, not housing.
 
@JohnDvorak I'm not really asking for anything. I'm not even sure if throwing money at it would be a viable solution at the moment, at least not without additional sys-admin resources. I'm saying that the solution isn't trivial and there are considerations which make it more complicated than just one of us tossing a moderate server at the problem.
 
How much does the current instance use up?
 
@JohnDvorak I'd have to ask in order to get the information to give to you. In other words, I don't have that info at my fingertips.
 
@JeanneDark That... possibly seems like an App Store-related development question.
Enough so that I changed my mind on closing it.
 
@CodyGray I'd close that with this reason: I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is a question about an application store's policy, which is not on-topic for Stack Overflow. See Are developer-centric questions about application stores on topic? for more information.
 
7:12 AM
@RyanM That one seems to me like the kind of technical question that Gilles describes. But I could be wrong.
 
Basically, they're asking about Apple's policy rules and what Apple will allow vs not when they review apps for compliance.
 
Maybe it should be rephrased into a, "How do we integrate Apple Pay with our existing payment system?"
I don't know. It seems like a specific, practical programming problem to me, not simply a customer support question.
 
I think that would be on topic, but that doesn't seem to be what they're asking. It seems they're asking how they can be approved without using "Apple In-App pay", because a requirement to use that breaks their payment flow
 
@RyanM Feel free to vote to close. I just wasn't sure enough to nuke it.
It's too far outside my domain, and I see both sides there.
 
In this case it might need more details or clarity or more focus.
 
7:23 AM
Fair - I did so. I do sympathize with them. Apple is extremely picky about this, but there's also a lot of grey area...for instance, what if instead of telling your customers within your app that they can buy your subscription on your website (clear violation), you instead email them them later to tell them they can save money if they buy on the website instead of in the app?
 
@RyanM So... what you're saying is that your closing this question might be costing me 30% every month?
That's more than I can save even by switching to GEICO!
 
That grey area is, incidentally, exactly why it's off-topic: we have no effing idea if that's okay. Maybe they'll ban you, maybe they won't. Maybe they won't notice for a while and then ban you a year later.
 
Wait, were we talking about Stack Overflow moderators?
 
haha
 
@jps Not general computer, but it could belong to security.stackexchange.com
 
7:37 AM
@Cleptus That's definitely general computing. See, for instance, superuser.com/help/on-topic
 
Not totally sure, if OP wants to bruteforce the cypher, could belong to security. If he/she looks for a tool/guide then superuser
 
@Cleptus We don't migrate low-quality questions to other sites. And... tool/guide recommendations are also out of scope for Super User.
 
I know, I suggested OP to look for ransomware related questions in security.stackexchange, maybe he find some questions on how to deal with that kind of malware
 
jps
8:02 AM
@Cleptus we could argue for this or for that site, the reality is, in 99% of these cases (I revisit closed questions occasionly) they show up nowhere after getting closed on SO, whatever you suggest
 
I can suggest where they could get help, it is up to them following advice xD
 
jps
sure, we don't force them
 
8:15 AM
Did I miss a post about banning the words "blacklist" and "whitelist"? Or was the discussion just local to SOCVR?
 
@Scratte There is this, but that's not really what we were talking about. The discussion in here was prompted by SmokeDetector's use of "blacklist". SmokeDetector is, of course, not an official SE tool, so the team involved would have to set its own policy.
 
@Scratte It's become a fairly large thing outside of SE. Are you wondering from a SE viewpoint, or asking 'I haven't heard anything about any issue with "blacklist", "master", etc., what's going on?'
 
8:33 AM
@Makyen Is was the later :) I panicked over the discussion over words. Sort of like: Are we now suppose to use a different word for a non lit room because "dark" is political incorrect?
@CodyGray Ahh.. yes, I definitely missed that. Thanks :)
 
jps
So the Linux question I cv'ed was migrated to unix.stackexchange.com . Does the user automatially get an account on the target site when the question is migrated?
 
@jps No
They are greyed out (like a deleted user) until they create an account there
 
jps
@JeanneDark ah, ok. Thanks
 
^ 3 upvotes in 4 minutes for a typo question?
 
@DavidBuck 4 in 5 :)
 
8:55 AM
Huh, second voting fraud case I've found today...
Or maybe it's the same one and I just found two parts, who knows...
 
I don't understand why people do it. What do they gain?
 
A while back, when I was new, I posted a comment about how a (duplicate) answer got upvoted in a span of a few minutes. Surprisingly, I got an answer, that co-workers genuinely found it helpful and upvoted
 
@Scratte Reputation, temporarily...
Could also be selling SO upvotes/bounties, which is apparently a thing.
 
@RyanM But what's the actual use? I mean I understand credit card fraud to pay for goods. What's the value of reputation on Stack?
 
This particular voting ring has at least three accounts that I can see...
 
9:06 AM
@Scratte Maybe put it on one's resume.
 
@JeanneDark So basically lying to get a job? :D That is not likely to turn out well when other people realize one really has no clue ;)
 
@Scratte Cheating to get reputation, lying to get a job
 
@Scratte One fraud at the time ;)
 
@Scratte I know this site where you can just paste your requirements and people will write code for free...
 
9:09 AM
@RyanM That makes sense actually. Sell it to get an answer.
 
9:32 AM
@JeanneDark I'm not sure how your comment on Declined flag: Is this a subtle put-down? got removed. But it was you that removed it, you left me wondering what someone else replied to :)
 
aaaaand found a second account of someone evading a voting fraud ban! Okay, that's enough SO for tonight. I wasn't even looking for that one...
Pro tip: when evading a ban, don't use the exact same username and profile picture...
 
Oh ... wait .. brb ... I blurred mine ...
 
@Scratte I removed it myself since it was no longer needed. I just quoted a CM saying that unfriendly/unkind and harassment/bigotry/abuse flags are treated the same and so in doubt "No longer needed" was the safer choice.
 
rene's sockpuppet is a really well-focused flower
 
@JeanneDark I didn't even know this, and I can't find it anywhere on this post.. that would have been useful. But.. even if not a useful comment, the comment trail is kind of broken now :)
 
9:42 AM
@CodyGray 🙏
 
@Scratte I believe it was this answer: "You ask whether there's a penalty for the harassment flags that doesn't come with unfriendly flags - there is not. They are, for the time being, treated the same by the system. They trigger auto-flags at the same rate. There is no penalty for no longer needed flags or custom moderator flags."
 
Thanks :)
 
If I flag one account in a voting ring, mods will find the rest, right?
 
9:57 AM
@RyanM if you found the Ring I assume the Lords do the rest, yes.
 
10:23 AM
Last SD report could be de-spammed if appropriate disclosure was added. Maybe?
 
@AdrianMole and if it linked to the post and not the homepage. But then it would just be a link-only answer.
 
Yep - it would still be NAA. But that is better for the poster than a red flag, is not?
 
It is indeed.
 
My current flag on that one is decidedly ruddy.
 
@AdrianMole As was mine, and my decision to do so has just been validated ^
 
10:35 AM
Yep, again! OP had the chance to fix but chose instead to post another spammy answer.
 
"solved"
 
@halfer @rene Could you delete my last request please, the OP has edited it. Thanks.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (per request)
 
10:50 AM
@CodyGray re our yesterday's exchange on this question: OP rephrased more or less as you had suggested (after my comment), but still it was not deemed as salvageable by the community (unsurpisingly, IMHO, and despite that I had retracted my own close vote after the edit).
 
11:44 AM
Does this question make sense to any SME? It looks very Needs Details, but the first commenter seems to understand the very brief question stackoverflow.com/questions/63049225/…
 
@DavidBuck Shouldn’t it be made clearer for whoever comes across it, that’s not an MSE, but still has interest in the topic?
 
@DavidBuck I have absolutely no clue what this is even asking. It's not really lack of expertise - I can read a question for a framework/language I don't use and still understand it. Sometimes I can even answer it by looking at relevant documentation based on information in the question. However, with the question you linked I have nothing - it talks about "step 4"...from what? I suppose some sort of tutorial but who knows. Moreover it's not clear why step 4 fails.
 
@DavidBuck I think there's a need for a MRE (or at least something more than just "I completed Step 4. What now?")
We can reopen it if they add more details
 
I agree with all of the above. If the first comment hadn't answered with an apparently clear understanding of what was being asked, I wouldn't have asked, I'd have just voted to close, but it's definitely of limited use to anyone else in that state.
 
11:58 AM
I searched for the quoted step 4, and only found that question :D
 
@DavidBuck Might have been a correct guess. Or otherwise knowledge that's not available in the question.
 
Well, there's a image here that has that text protocoderspoint.com/…
 
@Braiam I found two other questions about this thing. It's possible this is a dupe to at least one of them (not even sure if they are different).
("two" and "other" are both links)
^ Batman!
 
@DavidBuck So, it is probably a older guide based on what I've found. The "current" guide is here firebase.google.com/docs/android/setup
 
12:13 PM
It looks like something in the Firebase console, but I'm not sure - I've never used Firebase outside of FCM.
 
I have a tag clean up question. Please see this list of questions: stackoverflow.com/… Joomla has a Joomla Content Editor (aka JCE). The Stack Overflow tag is specified as the Java Cryptographic Extension. What is the best way to clean this up? Do I first create (or ?) then manually swap over the tags at 32 pages? Is there an easier way?
 
@mickmackusa might want to read up on the burnination process first. Most importantly, because it has more than 50 questions you must have Meta consensus
 
@mickmackusa There are many ways to the mountain. As long as the result is the same, the path matters not.
@Machavity It's retaggin, not burmination.
 
Yes, it's a retag, but there's a lot of overlap
 
I'm not burninating.
 
12:27 PM
It still counts as a tag removal. And the question I linked was prompted by someone doing a mass retag
 
there are only 32 questions that are ill-tagged.
 
"Use this tag for requests to have the tag deleted from the system" the tag will stay, it's another tag that would be created.
 
I'll read up.
 
The other benefit of the Meta route is there's no need to retag anything. A friendly neighborhood diamond can just rename the tag
 
Is there a preferred naming convention? Show the new tag be (which feels as redundant as "ATM machine") or (which is a little long-winded)?
Know any friendly neighborhood diamonds?
 
12:29 PM
Is it known primarily by the acronym?
 
Congrats by the way.
 
How many questions need to be mistagged before it's a tag removal? I've surely seen at least 50 mistagged questions and tagged them with instead, and fixed many myself
 
@mickmackusa in face of many possible tags, unambigousness always should triump
@RyanM You are probably looking for a tag warning.
 
Or we can add a synonym after as well. I got Cody to do that a few weeks back for
 
Eveyone within Joomla calls it JCE -- which is why there was such confusion about the tag in the first place.
 
12:30 PM
@RyanM well, it was already asked meta.stackoverflow.com/q/355004/792066
 
Or is the issue here that it's a high enough percentage of the tag that the tag has become ambiguous in spite of the tag wiki?
@Braiam that would be very nice...I upvoted it.
Thanks for the link
 
If I get my way, then all CMS-specific tags would be locked like and all questions that relate to or would benefit from the intimate knowledge of the respective CMS would be redirected to the satellite SE site. Until then I'll fix what I find on SO.
 
@mickmackusa Thanks :)
 
@RyanM They are still asking for external resources.
 
12:47 PM
@Braiam Not really, and surely not in a way that leads to opinion-based answers: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/386006/208273
they're asking about official library support for something
(I think)
 
@desertnaut You forgot to link to the question
 
@RyanM Even without the "opinion" aspect, that's not the only one reason why asking for external resources is not allowed.
 
@JeanneDark thanks!
 
They aren't describing the problem they want to solve, just a link to where to get the resource they are looking for.
 
1:29 PM
Could someone vote to reopen my issue? I've edited the question to be more precise, as suggested. stackoverflow.com/questions/63017550/…
Reopened! Thank you : )
 
@John it already is open. Do know this room in general doesn't allow for asking moderation actions on your own posts. See socvr.org for all our rules.
 
@John as a further note, I would note that the post still has some issues and may be in danger of being closed again. Links to additional code can be a nice addition to a post, but please make sure the post is still clear and useful without them by including relevant, formatted code inline. Please see How do I ask a good question? and How to create a Minimal, Reproducible Example
 
@RyanM What information is it removing? The stuff on the bottom is a duplicate of the stuff on the top of the code block
I will agree that the logcat part is bad, but the rest seems to be an improvement
 
@NathanOliver ...whoops, you're right. Okay, it's not as bad as I thought it was. It still splits "logcat" in half because they didn't recognize the tool name.
 
I'll improve edit to fix that
 
1:40 PM
Thanks for catching that!
 
2:10 PM
Seeking opinions: Should this be closed as a "typo"? (Seems that the 'customer' is satisfied with the comment.)
 
@AdrianMole I went with "no repro". Otherwise it could be no MRE, there is too much of the code
 
@Vega That's essentially the same - but I agree. Seems a bit of a waste to post an actual answer.
 
@AdrianMole Yes, I didn't mean I voted something else, sorry
 
Seeking advice. I'm not entirely sure about how to deal with the questions like the following question How can I iterate a for loop with 3 indexes?. The problem is that it could be split into separate subtasks that have their corresponding dupes: 1) Cartesian product of two lists; 2) how to iterate two lists in parallel/convert two lists into a dict. Should we close it as "needs more focus/details" or as a duplicate of several targets?
I personally find them useless, especially when the requirements can't be clearly reflected in the title. So I'd close them as "needing more focus/details" and later would ask here to delete them.
 
2:23 PM
@Georgy It’s a duplicate. I’ve seen questions like that before.
 
For those with python hammers, you can close with one of the two, then add the second close page to the list.
(I actually can't remember at what point you get the privilege of adding to the close list.)
 
@mickmackusa Same point as you get the Mjolnir, IIRC.
 
indeed
 
Yep source
 
2:41 PM
Good day ya'll :D
 
@Dharman I think I came across your cousin :)
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@RyanM Thank you. I now included the code as well
 
@John That looks much better :-)
 
 
1 hour later…
:50016098 I think they're looking for an algorithm to compute the natural logarithm
 
5:03 PM
@Machavity I think the archiver 'forgot' one SD report and one review, doesn't it?
 
@Vega Reviews aren't caught I don't think (@Makyen could confirm) but the SD report had no feedback. I've added one so it'll be caught next run
 
Aaaah, thank you
 
@Vega @Vega The Archiver does not currently query the status of reviews. Thus, all review-pls requests are only automatically archived after the time has expired (2 hours). For SD reports, they are considered complete if the post is deleted, if the post has received non-conflicting FP feedback, or non-conflicting tp (not tpu) feedback. Knowing the feedback requires the installation of the AIM userscript, as the Archiver does not directly query MS for feedback.
SD reports which receive NAA feedback are not considered complete, unless the post is deleted.
All such reports (any message actually) can be added to the RO's manual move list. The messages which the Archiver automatically finds can also be added to that list and the entire list moved at once. That is somewhat more work than the 2 clicks that it takes to archive everything which the archiver automatically finds.
 
@Makyen Crystal clear, thanks :)
 
np.
 
5:19 PM
@JeanneDark Any chance this question may have been posted in bad faith?
 
@JohnDvorak Probably
 
Thank you for deletion
 
@JohnDvorak I also considered that possibility
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio This doesn't appear to be a debugging question
 
@JohnDvorak "When I use large values the written value of c is 0. Why is that?"
 
5:25 PM
ah... but that is a debugging detail then.
 
@desertnaut Hmm, well... That rephrasing isn't exactly solving the problem... I don't know. If I had time or the interest, I might try to rephrase it myself. But I'm not sure that I have either.
 
Also... you have an answer on that question, so trying to get us to close it is inappropriate and disallowed.
(trash-pls)
 
@JohnDvorak AFAIK not to mention a specific implementation is part of "Needs debugging details". - Should I delete my answer BTW?
 
@RyanM Do you do it all at once? If you do it as they come in organically, that's not a problem. The tag is another one that is chronically misused, and our resident assembly programming experts manually retag each one of those.
 
That's up to you, but you can't cv-pls it and answer it... though you are allowed to do neither.
 
5:29 PM
We do have the ability to add tag warnings now. I can poke a CM to do it. They offered the other day.
But, don't poke me about it. Post on Meta so we can discuss the suitability, wording, etc.
 
@mickmackusa Maybe we need to look into disambiguating the Java tag, then? Either way, I think this is something that, as @Machavity suggested, belongs in a Meta post.
Any time things are not clear-cut and require discussion, then they are best discussed on Meta. That is especially true for tags, which are almost never clean-cut.
@JohnDvorak I destroyed the account. Soon, Machavity will learn to do these things, too. :-)
 
5:54 PM
@CodyGray no worries (I didn't have either yesterday, too)
 
6:25 PM
 
6:37 PM
Since SD just reported an answer at this question: This does look pretty opinion-based to me, and Security SE has better threads for this particular problem: stackoverflow.com/questions/54202772/…
 
@janw I agree with you, but it's too old to migrate, so what do we do?
 
@janw Yeah, no value there. Just delete it.
 
@10Rep I'd say close as primary opinion-based. It doesn't ask for a specific best practice, and the answers contradict each other.
 
@10Rep just retry the closing with the custom reason that is already in the comments
 
Oh, there are also custom close reasons? Good to know.
 
6:47 PM
@janw under off-topic -> custom
 
There are once you earn 200 more rep, @janw. At that point, your "blatantly off-topic" flag will convert into a place where you can type a custom reason when voting to close as off-topic.
 
@janw Once you get the privilege of course
 
Nice. Is this reason also display somewhere, after successfully closing?
 
@janw it is posted as a comment and is shown in the close dialog for the other voters
 
@janw It gets posted automatically as a comment underneath the question, appearing just like any other comment.
 
6:51 PM
Is it ok to remove code from the question altogether? e.g. stackoverflow.com/q/15149331/1839439
 
@CodyGray I had to leave you something to do, didn't I? :P
 
Custom close reasons never get displayed in the official blue box because... yeah, you can imagine how that might go wrong. The question just gets closed as "off-topic", but your custom reasons are still feedback in the comments section.
@Machavity Thank you for your graciousness!
@Dharman Can you elaborate more on why you'd want to do that?
 
@CodyGray The code is not MCVE. Only the last part is relevant and the MySQL is unnecessary.
 
Ok, that explains where those "I'm voting to" comments come from. I really like custom reasons, I'm using them a lot for suggested edits
 
@Dharman So maybe trim it down, rather than removing it altogether?
@janw Yup, exactly. That's the pre-filled template.
 
6:55 PM
Like this?
 
@Dharman Looks good to me.
 
I mean, you have more subject matter expertise here than I do, so if you think you've left it with the code that is necessary and important, then I trust you on that.
 
What to do here? Flag for account merging? Is that an answer or an update to the question? stackoverflow.com/questions/62982714/…
 
It seems like it's attempting to answer
Not entirely sure
 
I disagree
 
7:06 PM
Looks more like a clarification
 
OK, it's already been edited into the question, so I guess so.
This is why you don't trust moderators to review the correctness of answers. Here's live footage of what happens.
 
Should I still flag to ask mods to merge accounts?
 
Nah, we pretty much don't do that. I mean, you can. It'll probably just result in the second account getting deleted.
But... probably good to do.
People can, ah, create secondary accounts for all sorts of reasons, like to bypass a question-ban that exists on their main account.
 
I see no rule being broken here.
 
I do. :-)
 
7:10 PM
I think they were just clueless in regards to answer/edit question from multiple accounts. I don't think they meant to break any rules.
 
@KenWhite I... think that one just needs edits. They're not really asking for a library. They've got code; they need debugging help.
I'm going to argue that question is fine, and even if it's not a debugging question, sufficiently detailed so as to be answerable.
 
@CodyGray The question has been edited now. I've gone back and removed my close vote on the question. Thanks. Can a mod or RO remove that CV-pls here?
 
@KenWhite Ah, okay. I thought that might have been the case, but the question was edited 3 hours ago, so I figured you must have seen it.
These days, nobody can tell mods from ROs anymore :-p
@AdrianMole Trying to puzzle out why you didn't flag this one. When you see something in Late Answers that needs to be deleted, you should flag it as "not an answer" or "very low quality" (however your heart moves you). When I look at that in terms of the question, it's nowhere near an attempt to answer.
 
@CodyGray My fault. I read the title and first couple of paragraphs, which asked for a library. And you're right - after the latest election results, it's hard to tell now. :-)
 
7:23 PM
@CodyGray You can apply for the privilege next time there's a SOCVR election :)
 
I like that. Who doesn't like a room full of diamonds? ;)
 
The room is getting very colourful indeed. Of course my user script helps a lot ;)
 
M--
I cannot ask for 20k+ because I am not 20k+? That's why it is invalid request? cc:@Machavity
 
No, it was missing a downvote, if I am not mistaken
See here: "Voting to delete questions with a score of -3 or lower immediately after they are closed"
 
M--
@janw it's now fixed. At first I mistakenly copied the link to the answer. I should've given it some more time. It's the question I want to remove
 
7:29 PM
@M-- Is there a need for expedite deletion?
 
@Scratte It has been offered to me. Reminds me of that time I was "offered" a promotion in terms of responsibility without an increase in salary.
Yeah, I... and this is weird... I agree with @Braiam :-)
While that is clearly a duplicate many times over, I don't think its mere presence is hurting anything at the moment, and it would be nice to give the asker a chance to review and modify, if he sees appropriate.
 
@CodyGray and for the wrong reasons :D
I was thinking that 20kers delete votes may be needed elsewhere.
 
At least there's some order in the world still
 
M--
@Braiam Without going into too much details, I have witnessed a gold-badger reopening dupes like this. I don't have solid evidence at hand, so not making any accusations
 
@M-- Document your case and bring it to a flag :D
 
M--
7:31 PM
@CodyGray Giving OP a chance is a good point, I'll ask for my request to be binned
 
@M-- Yeah, I've gotten a few flags about it, actually. They'll re-open and then they'll immediately post an answer rehashing the duplicate? I've deleted several of those answers in response to flags, and reopened the question. Not really sure what is up with that.
 
M--
@CodyGray I didn't get a chance to ask though :(
 
I have no problem with, and even encourage, gold-badge users to reopen questions that they think were erroneously closed as duplicates. But if you're reopening it just to give the same solution as is posted on the other question.... Doy. Don't do that.
 
Take the hammer away from them
 
@M-- You mean the userscript? It checks for -3 first. I guess it wasn't -3 when you posted that
 
M--
7:33 PM
@Dharman go get a hammer
 
As long as it's -2 when you post, it's fine (since we expect delete voters to downvote).
 
"we expect everyone to downvote" FTFY
2
 
We just don't want you posting a 0 score for 20k, since you'd need more than one downvote
 
On that note I need a PHP hammer to help me close some old questions.
 
You know where to go get it.
 
M--
7:38 PM
@Dharman need some serial voting? :D
 
It's waiting out there, with only 21 upvotes standing between you and it.
 
@CodyGray The math does not look right
 
@Dharman No? I see you have 790 out of 1000 score required for the php gold badge, so you'd need 210 reputation. Each upvote is worth 10 reputation, so 210/10 = 21.
 
It's not reputation. It's number of upvotes.
 
M--
@CodyGray Can I get away with 210 upvotes on one user?
 
7:40 PM
I need net 210 upvotes
 
Oh, right
 
:D
 
@M-- Over the next 10 years? Maybe so.
But then, if I see a lot of upvotes on PHP questions, I'm going to be very suspicious. Unrelated to Dharman, of course. Just because it's PHP.
 
@Machavity How does it feel now? stackoverflow.com/questions/33905118/…
No more expired close votes
 
As I’ve flagged a user for repeatedly duplicating their own questions, what’ll happen when that flag is found helpful? Considering the user has 1700 questions; is the moderator team gonna manually go through everything?
 
7:49 PM
Gosh, I certainly hope not. That sounds terrible.
 
@CodyGray Why not have the formalities settled then? You're already doing it without the raise anyway ;)
 
Ideally, the flag would link to the questions that you're accusing them of duplicating. Failing that (e.g., if the questions have been deleted and you as the flagger can't find them), we'd look at their most recent questions. If we didn't find anything, we'd probably dismiss the flag.
If we do see that they're repeating the same question multiple times, we have a standard template that we can send them as a moderator message, in hopes of educating/advising them not to do that in the future. Plenty of people do it because they aren't aware they can actually edit. Others do it hoping to shake off downvotes/close votes, thinking they can get away with it.
If it's a particularly egregious case, or if they just keep doing it, we can attach a suspension to the message.
 
@CodyGray Ehm... I just wrote that their list of newest questions is evidence enough. Almost exact same titles on lots of them. Also; lots of their questions have been closed, but not deleted. It’s worth noting this user has gained 90000+ reputation from this.
 
@Scratte Here, it's a matter of principle: as a mod, I can do whatever I want. Also, on a serious and more important note: if I stood for RO of SOCVR, I'd be taking a spot away from someone who actually wants to do it and has the time to do a good job.
 
@CodyGray Well, somebody’s gonna have to do the cleanup.
 
7:52 PM
@Dharman Better still, unlimited delete. Nasty rats nest of dupes
 
@Andreas I nominate @Machavity. What say you? :-)
 
@CodyGray Oh. The last one makes sense.
 
@CodyGray Good idea. Add Makyen too. :)
 
Kind of a one person job
 
Poor person
 
7:55 PM
Did someone say cleanup? I like cleanup :)
 
@Scratte No, I think you just want a temporary diamond. :P
 
@Scratte I can see it now: "Scratte likes cleanup". That can be your new user name when you run for RO.
 
That requires user moderation though. Not sure I come across as fair and impartial.
Maybe in 6-8 decades :)
 
Wait, what is this about "fair and impartial"?
Did I agree to something like that?
 
wim
close and delete? stackoverflow.com/q/63050067/674039 the votes seem to be used for incident reporting ("me too!") and not really on-topic
 
M--
8:06 PM
I still think this is a dupe, but since it has been discussed here, wanted to know your opinion based on OP's comment: stackoverflow.com/questions/63061073/…
 
@wim I'm going to leave it up for now (not delete) so it can be used as a dupe target if necessary. Feel free to bring it up again in here later to delete.
 
Strange voting pattern
 
@M-- The standard advice applies: if you don't think your question is a duplicate, then edit your question to clarify how it's different and why none of those other answers apply.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yes, but usual. It’s what tags like Python, JS, PHP, etc, suffer from.
 
M--
@Cody thanks, left a comment
 
8:10 PM
@Andreas Thanks. I did not know
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels On what, exactly?
 
What does "This post relates to a rapidly changing event." mean?
 
@CodyGray On the question about a site being down. It's obviously far off-topic and yet it rapidly accumulated many up-votes
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I assume that’s ironic, right?
 
@Andreas I'm not sure if "ironic" applies in this situation
 
8:12 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Oh, that's not weird. Upvotes == "I have this same problem!"
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Sarcasm, then.
 
Happens all the time when Apple breaks stuff
 
Apple stuff breaks?
 
wim
we need a meee too reaction next to the thanks and prayers reaction 🙏
 
@wim #metoo
 
8:14 PM
We got rid of reactions
 
For good? Please say they won't return.
 
We’re still waiting for their conclusion.
 
wim
for broken for me too may I suggest 0x1f63f CRYING CAT FACE
 
@JohnDvorak Not up to me, unfortunately
 
@JohnDvorak Just block them. It worked very well for me.
 
wim
8:17 PM
@CodyGray thanks! 👏
 
My goal now is to fix up all mysqli canonicals and make a proper list of duplicate targets. The problem is that I just answered one and I think I already messed up. I answered this one but I see a more active one is this What to do?
 
Is it recommendation still when asking how to decide on which tools to use?
 
@JeanneDark: yes, recommendation and self-promotion
 
wim
wow how can someone member for 8 years, 9 months be that out of touch
 
@wim Perhaps they were blinded out of the feeling of need to self-promote
 
8:33 PM
Thanks!
 
We probably shouldn't discuss this here.
 
8:50 PM
 
9:01 PM
@janw this.
 
If posts are merged does the source one still act as a signpost or is it gone?
 
M--
@akrun there has been somewhat extended discussion over this thread. For now, we should give OP some time to edit their question and explain if the dupes are not answering their problem. So, I'd say put it on hold.
 
@Dharman it stays, but is locked.
 
@janw Yes, but is it searchable from google
 
M--
@akrun you can start here and work your way down the bottom to see the related messages: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50018597#50018597
 
9:12 PM
@Dharman Would it make any sense to request merger of these two?
 
@M-- okay, thanks I didn't check the discussion. Sorry
 
@wim it's not my pretension to correct you, but this sort of comment is rare to see on SOCVR...That is one of the main reasons I appreciate this room. It might arguably seem innocuous and warranted, but is also unnecessary and unkind. Notice that if such comments were abundant it would leave an impression of gossip.
 
Is this a copy'n'paste mishap?
 
@Scratte No, why do you say that?
 
9:20 PM
@Dharman It's repetitive. Unless I'm missing something.
 
That's because the question body has to be of a certain length otherwise you can't submit a question. People avoid that limitation by repeating
 
Oh. That's not very useful.
 
@Dharman According to MSE, it redirects anonymous visitors like any duplicate question, and I see no mention of search engine un-indexing. So IMO merging makes sense, if this leads to a good canonical.
 
9:47 PM
Ugh. Failed an audit question but I think it's a bad audit question. :(
 
@Vickel Thanks, i was just searching the meta faqs for that.
 
10:03 PM
@CodyGray Fair comment. What I did (don't know if your powers let you see) was to upvote the 'derogatory' comment. I had 90% thought it was flaggable but, being well outside my field, I just "half-skipped". Maybe what I did is taking the "Tom Sawyer" thing a bit too far.
 
10:17 PM
 
10:48 PM
Is this an attempt?
 
@Scratte Well, no. But is the question actually worth an attempt?
 
@Dharman Why is this not a cv-pls request?
 
@Makyen It breaks the rules.
When it is tagged with cv-pls then people don't check the latest activity and blindly click the link. I didn't want to do that.
 
@AdrianMole Someone thought so. There's another answer.
 
@Scratte But that answer is just a tad self-centred, is not?
 
10:56 PM
@Dharman I see. I'm not comfortable with permitting people to post messages in here asking for closure, but merely not having a cv-pls in order to make it "OK" to avoid the rules. Allowing that to happen is effectively equivalent to not having the rule (i.e. if we allow it, then everyone will do it, which takes votes away from the ones which are cv-pls material).
 
^ +1
 
@AdrianMole Not sure if it is. I expect it would require a very long answer if not for the library.
 
@Scratte The post you first raised is, IMHO, quite obviously NAA. The question and the other answer are sufficiently outside of my field for me not to have a strong opinion. I was just positing an option..
 
How come the post hasn't come to a consensus? I mean, 3 people voted "Unsalvageable", so it has to come to a consensus, right?
 
@10Rep Why do you think it hasn't come to a consensus? The review task appears complete with your review response.
 
11:08 PM
@Makyen Wait, I had to reload. Never mind.
 
OK
 
@AdrianMole I like that you're sure about the NAA :) I really want it to be, because I do not think it adds value.
Awesome post banner on my last review ;)
 
:)
 
@CodyGray Definitely just organically in small batches when they come in. I don't think that I've ever gone more than a few days back, in no small part because it would be exhausting due to the number... I mostly just fix the ones that have [kotlin] + [android-studio] but not [android] (and are not, in fact, actually about the IDE - which some of course are), because they stick out like a sore thumb in my "Kotlin, not Android" saved search.
I take it from your phrasing that if someone did want to find and fix all of these, that there would need to be a meta post? The consensus on correct usage of these tags in the community seems quite clear, but I can understand that fixing it would be disruptive and that getting consensus on if it's actually worth bumping however many incorrectly tagged questions it would take to correct it.
 
11:30 PM
@CodyGray I am somewhat reminded of the time at a previous job where I and a few other engineers were trying to figure why our build server (running in a VM on a trashcan-style Mac Pro) was offline.
It eventually came down to the problem that none of us actually knew how to tell if one of those was running, since I wouldn't put it past Apple to not have any lights on during normal operation, and none of us actually used a Mac Pro for development. Eventually decided it was probably off, hit the power button, and...nothing happened. After a brief concern that maybe it had been on, I traced the power cable...to the power strip...that was switched off. Whoops.
 
11:57 PM
@DanielWiddis Yeah, Haskell is...a weird tag. There's a running joke that Haskell CV queue reviews are all audits because no one ever asks bad questions there. I have to say, my functional programming chops aren't strong enough to say if that's far enough removed from actual, practical Haskell programming to be actually off-topic on SO, especially given that there's quite a lot of concrete Haskell code there.
It may be a better fit on CS.SE (strong evidence for that: one of the highly voted solutions is in Coq, not Haskell), but it's not clearly off-topic on SO. I do agree that it's a bad audit, though, because it's a bit murky, and audits are supposed to be clear.
 
Yeah. 1st comment says "better on CS.SE" and 2nd comment is OP saying "how do I move it" .... I'll skip future haskell questions, though. Sheesh!
I was filtered to duplicates at the time and should have done the obvious "huh, not a dupe must be an audit" idiot check.... oh well.
 
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