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12:14 AM
Hey, I haven't been on SO in a while. What happened to the flag as "Off Topic" option?
 
12:32 AM
@Cardinal-ReinstateMonica We sold it for parts.
It is now called community-specific reason and does not belong on this site.
 
12:49 AM
@KenWhite That question is practically begging for spam
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Agreed. It's clearly not suitable for SO.
 
1:00 AM
Is the question for that SD report even on-topic?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I would say no. I threw a custom close vote on there.
 
1:30 AM
@sideshowbarker Isn't that spam? the answer..
nuked...
 
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@M-- I still see this request in URRS i.stack.imgur.com/aDIet.png ... It can't be caching @Makyen cc:@Machavity
 
@M-- Yes. There's a known bug in chat search where search will sometimes show messages that have already been moved into another room in search results for their old rooms. It's been reported on Meta. The URRS compensates in a few different ways, depending on how you've set the "Messages in another room" option.
Your screenshot indicates that you have the "Messages in another room" option set to "Highlight & tooltip". That's the default, because the message will not show up in results for the room it's actually in, so those are the search result in which you'll be able to see the message. There's also the option for "Normal", where the URRS does nothing and allows the bug to present the messages unaltered. There's also "Hide", which hides messages which are not actually in the room you are searching.
 
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2:08 AM
Thanks for the tips and info
 
np. It's a frustrating bug, which doesn't really have a good work-around.
 
 
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9:52 AM
@Adriaan It does look like something I'd have voted to close back in the days I fought that war.
Worse, it asks two independent questions.
 
Zoe
is this SU/SF?
 
@Zoe I'd probably go with SU - OS upgrades is a consumer activity
 
10:38 AM
The meta effect is strong today.
 
Zoe
it's noticeable that the volume has gone up xd
 
 
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@mkrieger1: your last two requests were on old questions (last active 10 months ago and 1 year ago). Although they deserved closure, we try to focus our attentions in this room to material that has new activity.
The definition of "new" is unstated, and I tend to think of it as a month or two, but I believe the drop in required CVs has meant we can be a bit more permissive. However I'd be surprised if it went up to 10 months :-)
 
@halfer right now we are using like 2-3 months old as the limit for "new". We are looking at possibly opening that up now that it's easier to close things but we haven't yet. Most likely it will be a room meeting topic.
 
1:08 PM
@NathanOliver Thanks for the clarification, sounds good to me
 
@NathanOliver ooh, another room meeting? I thought those were but legends.
 
We are not allowed to have meetings with more then 3 persons.
 
1:26 PM
given the vast majority are animals, plants, concepts, logos or otherwise clearly not people - when has that ever been a problem @rene? :p
 
@karel unfortunately answers to a different question are still considered answers, so NAA does not qualify for that.
 
@JonClements Just you wait until Covid finds a way to spread through dogs ... and owls.
 
Meh... not going to happen... my rabies will fight it off! :)
 
1:46 PM
Also, the last couple of paragraphs appear to indicate it's a homework question, again without any effort.
 
@TylerH It's a very bad answer.
 
@karel that's grounds for downvoting, not flagging as NAA
 
@TylerH I'm a simple man.
 
Now I have that song stuck in my head, thanks ;)
 
2:18 PM
@JonClements You didn't mention the universe :O
 
@Scratte maybe I should just go for multi-verses for good measure or something? :p
 
@JonClements I thought that was just a thought-experiment. Like string theory.. :)
 
string theory is easy... for instance that phrase: "how a long is piece of string" - obviously "it's twice half its length" and all that... problem solved! :D
 
right.. I used to answer the phone with "The other end".. doesn't work in a conference call :D
 
Just start calling yourself Endpoint Sigma. That'll sound really technical ;)
 
2:38 PM
 
@NathanOliver Maybe not even far off.. I can be an endless sum of useless babbling :)
How does a bounty on a Question that already has upvoted/accepted answers work?
 
@Scratte Same as it does for any other post.
 
@NathanOliver So.. the bounty will go to the accepted answer, if no other answer is provided?
 
No. Since the answer predates the bounty it doesn't qualify for the auto award. Only accepted answers in the bounty period do that.
You can see the rules here: stackoverflow.com/help/bounty
 
Ahh.. I didn't know that. Interesting. Thanks. It's a case where there's already an accepted answer and lots of other answers. Someone other than the original author put a bounty on it.
 
That happens quite a bit. Either they don't like any of the answers, or they want to award a bounty to an answer that helped them.
 
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4:26 PM
@NathanOliver I'm trying to work out one, but it's trickier than I anticipated. 8 hours in and I'm struggling :D
 
@Scratte Have you tried JQuery? It'll solve anything ;)
 
@NathanOliver No. I have never used it.. ever :) I've heard it does wonders. I may use it to expand my life expectancy :D
 
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6:31 PM
And good moaning, everyone ... /o =)
 
moan
 
 
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It's been a while, but I started editing that question draft from a few months ago @rene about the ASP.NET page lifecycle, in preparation of posting it, & I actually came across an existing question (finally) that I think is an exact dupe, as I no longer have the problem in my actual code, and the only difference is the solution offered in that older Q (needed to re-.databind())
So, yay for small, protracted miracles
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:)
 
Naturally I now have a different issue of adding stuff during savestatecomplete and it getting ignored (by design of ASP.NET) on postback
I'd shake my fist at the computer and yell at ASP.NET but it's pretty clear I'm the one doing it wrong....
 
I love the thought of a "miracle protractor" ;)
 
7:53 PM
@tink that's the sort of angle I try to look at life with
 
Hehe
 
8:36 PM
Hummmm and not only is the above off-topic, it gave me a feeling of deja vu ... stackoverflow.com/questions/61641284/…
 
8:53 PM
@M-- the asker edited the question to add what looks to this non-R user as the data you asked them for, is that request still needed?
 
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9:27 PM
@RyanM well, that edit just clarifies that question is a typo and still should be closed.
 
9:42 PM
@PaulRoub why the heck do you need to close this?
 
@MattB. Alright, calm down - this is a friendly chatroom :-)
@MattB. That question is eminently closeworthy. No effort, no detailed requirements, too open to opinion/interpretation.
 
I mean, have any of you vote-to-close-rs ever used Sharepoint?
 
@MattB. Personally, I think this is so low-effort and brief that closers do not need expertise in the tag. However, I did not notice it was Sharepoint - the OP managed not to mention that product at all, except in the tags! I would be in favour of an edit.
They do have some prior work, "clicking the pictures only opens a new tab" - but they have not shown it. If you can spend the time in the comments asking them to show the work they have so far, I would be very happy to collaborate on a reopen request.
 
it brought two new users to contribute
 
I expect it will be tomorrow now, but do please ping me here, and I will try to help. I am usually often swayed by SMEs giving their view in the comments.
 
9:54 PM
I don't know Sharepoint myself, but it seems like it was understandable by at least one person
 
@MattB. sort of -- might glance at the answerer's profile before the question goes away.
 
@MattB. The answer looks generally helpful, but it was a misunderstanding of the requirements. That happens a lot when the requirements are so minimal. The question author is now asking new questions in a comment answer.
@PaulRoub Ha, just the kind of user we want ;-)
 
@MattB. And I've done quite a bit of Sharepoint development in the past, not that it particularly matters. Shutting up now, (a) I know we don't love extended closure discussions and (b) I'll probably accidentally sound like I'm arguing. Which... nah. Re-open as you see fit.
@MattB. Oops, before the answer goes away. Which I have a hunch it will.
 
@MattB. I've added a comment requesting improvement under the Q
 
Thanks! Much better to provide guidance to new users like that
 
10:01 PM
@MattB. I think it is a mixed bag. Most of the time it is a massive waste of time. I probably comment on, I don't know, a quarter of my CVs.
Unfortunately most questions I see are first questions, most of them are very low-effort, and when they are closed, the OP wouldn't repair them if you paid them to.
I wish that were different, but it's a much harder problem to solve that we might think at first, and it's on Stack Overflow Inc to improve that process. That section of the user-base won't read the Help Centre, and they use every trick in the book to skip over LQ filters.
I have a proposal in mind for Stack Overflow Inc to add in more quality filters, and I am moderately minded to write it up on Meta. But it is a lot of effort, and I am not sure SOI are in favour of making it harder to post questions.
 
why do people up-vote obvious off-topic questions???
 
Some of the top viewed and most helpful questions are "LQ."
but you do you I suppose
 
@MattB. Alright, that is too snarky for this room. I have been very helpful so far. Over and out.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I've seen a few of those today, grr
That careers one got two :=/
 
10:10 PM
@halfer the one that got me seems to be a help-vampire of similar LQ questions, and we're encouraging more of them
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels It wasn't me :=)
 
 
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11:18 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels or reopen them
(is it considered acceptable to cv-pls an obviously off-topic question that got reopened?)
 
@RyanM: I think that it's perfectly acceptable
 
11:44 PM
@Dharman I'm mostly just horrified that that Changing values into constants code even works
I can't take too many shots at PHP though given the amount of Java I've written
or maybe that should be public class Shots { public static void takeShotsAt(...
 
@RyanM Tha thing is that no matter the language you can always do ridiculous things. It's not just PHP. PHP is free when other languages are more rigid. It's easier to do crazy things, but it doesn't mean you should do it. Take unsafe Rust for example. The language protects you, but if you try hard you can still write crappy code.
 
11:59 PM
I think I got it all wrong then. I try to write good code. I had no idea it was the other way around.
 

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