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12:41 AM
 
12:57 AM
Has anyone else noticed that the green "Reputation Bubble" (the pop-up) has gone? (As also today's gain in the reputation drop-down menu.) My top-bar score has been correctly updated, and the big green bubble on my home page shows the score since my last look at the rep. tab, however.
... seems to have happened around midnight, but I didn't get any rep. for much of yesterday, so it could be longer.
 
I noticed that reputation loss due to downvoting never shows in the bubble, not as a big red bubble on the profile.
 
@Scratte Negative rep. change has never shown (at least, since I've been around). However, if you get a downvote, when you later get an upvote you'll see a "+8" green bubble (rather than "+10").
 
@AdrianMole I've noticed those :) But since I don't answer Questions anymore my rep is declining. The last bubble was from your approved edit a few days ago.
 
Do you have any pending edits? I could (maybe) approve one for you ... just by way of testing the system, though! :)
 
Sorry, no. How did you even find the one from the other day? It usually takes 6-8 hours before they go through.
 
1:06 AM
You sent me the link!
BTW, I just got a green bubble - it seems that it's very slow ... I have a couple more pending, I think.
Possibly, some maintenance is going on.
 
I sent you the link?!?.. I though I just put a link to the answer here, not the suggested edit.
 
But, with that link, I get a "Pending edit" link under the answer, which puts me into review mode when I click it.
 
There has been something going on for a few days. It takes a long time for the next post to come when reviewing.
Ahh.. I had no idea about that :) It took me forever to do that edit :D
 
Yeah - much slowness all around. Probably a big surge in traffic now that about half the world's population can't go out.
 
yeah, everyone's just dying to do reviews on SO
 
1:13 AM
@AndrasDeak Not so much, I think :D There seems to be a lot more pending reviews than normal :)
 
Many of the review queues have got bigger! For two days, I had my quota in "First Posts" upped to 40 - and that never happened to me before.
 
I could never do 40. I often read the post, then I skip it. Unless it's obvious to me that I have no clue.. but it get's me about three review per history page. The rest is Skip.
 
@Scratte actually, high-reps can see your edit suggestions. I'm pretty sure Adrian can too.
it probably comes with the "review reviews" privilege at 10k
 
@AndrasDeak Confirmed!
 
@AndrasDeak But nobody in their right mind would refresh my profile to see when I make a suggested edit :) The edit from a few days ago was approved by Adrian 5 min. after I submitted it. @AdrianMole Are you out of your mind? :D
 
1:18 AM
Perhaps he found it through the suggested edits queue. Last time I checked things got approved/rejected pretty fast there.
but "last time I checked" was a few years ago so...
 
@AndrasDeak I think I checked. There were over 100 in the queue.
 
Actually, the link I gave even works without being logged in. So I guess only the "pending edits" item might only be shown to high-reps.
 
Possibly insane, but there are many folks who do their "full quota" of reviews each day in multiple queues.
 
Hah, wrong, even pending edits are visible in the public profile. TIL!
sorry for the low-key misinformation, folks
 
What does TIL mean?
 
1:21 AM
google it and you'll experience it :P
 
@AndrasDeak Good one :)
 
Today (in UTC) is just over 1 hour old, yet somebody has already done 40 reviews in First Posts.
 
Unfortunately "I overheard someone talking about this to someone else" is one of the most suggestive ways of convincing people to believe something...
 
@AdrianMole I don't think they do it thoroughly then.. It takes time to see if an answer compiles and works.
@AdrianMole Don't tell Samuel ;)
 
I don't think the FP reviews need that much testing. If an answer is coherent and not one of the standard "Me too," "Thanks," spam or Link-Only, then most folks will (probably) give it "No action needed."
 
1:25 AM
@AndrasDeak What are you trying to convince us of?
@AdrianMole Yes, they do.. while I'm checking up on it! And finding out that it doesn't work. Which leaves me with commenting on the post after it's been deemed "No actions needed".
 
... if there are other answers, then I would normally also check that it's not a blatant copy of one of those, on top of the standard reasons.
@Scratte If an answer is incorrect (or the code doen't work), then you can downvote it, but that's not a reason to flag for deletion.
 
@AdrianMole Those I find are also marked as "No actions needed" :(
@AdrianMole It is a reason to comment or downvote. And it's the responsibility of the reviewer to do that. Which is why I'm not too fond of finding out that someone didn't bother to check.
 
@Scratte nothing, hence "unfortunately"
 
Commenting - I agree; down-voting while in a review, I don't agree (for FP). The general community can handle down-voting for bad answers (that are, nonetheless, answers).
 
@AndrasDeak Well. I'm on lock down, so I don't hear anyone talking to anyone else :)
@AdrianMole That's not what the guideline says.
 
1:31 AM
Sam and/or Cody may well disagree, but they seem to be staying away from this room of late. (Probably too busy doing real moderating.)
 
@AdrianMole And if I return to the bad answer a few days later, the only downvote on it is mine. So the community do not see them. Besides, it's more the reviewers responsibility than someone just stopping by a post.
 
Also, I'm not sure the up- and down-votes made during a review actually show in your review history (even for moderators), so who's gonna know whether I/you/whoever did so?
 
@AdrianMole Everyone when the post doesn't have any votes :D
 
Most often, for answers (especially out of my field) that may warrant a down-vote (but nothing else), I just skip.
 
I don't.. I check :) The other day I did have a somewhat sad experience. I came upon a post that caught my interest, so I read the entire thread. Then I read the review-answer, and I checked it, and it was wrong. Not badly, but wrong. So I made my comment.. and 30 min. later it was gone :(
 
 
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8:39 AM
It that first sentence in this java spring rest answer an answer?
 
@Scratte Definitely NAA - The give-away is the final, "Can anyone help with this?"
 
@AdrianMole So the first line is just a comment, I suppose. I saw it as maybe half an answer. The eaten apple :)
 
OK, I see what you mean. In itself, that first line would still be more of a comment than an answer, unless it could be edited into shape with some formatting and/or more detail.
 
Yes, but "and/or more detail" means actually answering the Question, not simply stating why the error happens.
 
Prosecution rests!
 
9:42 AM
I found a couple of meta posts again attacking curators, by calling them "over zealous" (best case), or even "an inbred circle". Is this all fine, because it's meta, or should I flag such posts, either as rude or for mod attention because of the subtlety, just edit it out, or not do anything about it?
Or even not ask here, as we don't moderate meta?
 
@Adriaan If it is really persistent from one user, flag as custom and explain. But otherwise I have found raising flags on Meta to be a waste of time
Room Q - is this on-topic? It looks rather brief and poorly researched, but it seems to have attracted a good answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/60963066/…
 
@halfer It reads like a "How do I?" question to me. Which I think it on-topic. But I'm a lenient person.
 
@halfer Currently I'd say it Needs More Focus, but if you edited the post to just say "Does Angular come with a templating engine by default? If so, how do I use it for a simple substitution?" I think it's on-topic
full disclosure: I've never used a templating engine or Angular
 
I have 4 posts from the same user that's looking like spam. Do I 1. post them here and get the community to flag them or 2. just raise a moderator flag?
 
Alright, thanks both - I've edited it a bit for brevity.
@Scratte If it is cheeky self-promotion then just add a comment and link to the don't be a spammer thing
 
9:53 AM
I think linking them all here might fall under socvr.org/faq#GEfM-dont-moderate-users
 
There's a boilerplate comment you can use at the top of this: raw.githubusercontent.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/auto-comments/…
If it is outright commercial spam then just flag them all as spam, and I expect the account will get destroyed.
 
@halfer It's not a "comment is enough"-situation in my opinion. Which I will do with a case of just 2 posts. They're answering the same types of Questions (different technology) but putting the same link to some API as a solution to all of them.
@RyanM OK. I was thinking it might be. I'll just flag them then.
@RyanM Though I have seem these types of flags here in SOCVR with just linking to one of the answers.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure if "blatant commercial spam" is one of the exceptions, this is just based on reading the text of the rules and nothing more
I'm too new to the room to have an understanding of the typical interpretation of the rules
 
@Scratte Ah, if the posts are identical then you can flag them all as "identical solutions to multiple questions". That is disallowed too, and a mod is liable to prune some of them (ideally all minus one).
 
@halfer They had a short sentence in the beginning tailored to the Question. Then a canned paragraph with the link
 
10:07 AM
@Scratte Gotcha. Library/repo promotion?
 
@halfer looks like it, but I don't see that it's their own directly, so it's hard to say if they just fancy the library.
I promote java SE all the time :)
 
Okay so I dug it up out of curiosity (I won't act on it to avoid the appearance of user targeting). I think it's an honest attempt at answering a bunch of questions that are duplicates of each other.
and not realizing that they should be flagging the questions as duplicates and answering once
 
@RyanM I suppose you were just lucky that I didn't Skip the review :D
 
you're too diligent to just skip it :-p
anyway they're definitely doing it wrong, but I think in good faith - I think the API in question is just a method in the library
If I were you, I'd probably flag it for a mod and maybe also flag the questions as dupes
 
@RyanM I stopped flagging Questions as duplicates a long time ago on old Questions. The flags just sits there until they're aged away.
 
10:15 AM
it probably wouldn't be user-targeting to link the questions since they're all from different people...
 
@Scratte In that case, a spam flag may not fit, but I would certainly try to discourage boilerplate material - that is an enemy of quality
I once found a high-rep user who pasted a multi-line begging message into the footer of every question they posted - think there was around 250 of the blighters!
 
although frankly I don't think they're all actually dupes. at least two are, maybe three. okay I'm done staring at these for now.
 
@RyanM I just reworded my flag to moderator. I expect they're better experienced to determine what it is.
@halfer Like "Please vote on my post"?
 
10:33 AM
@Scratte No, it was a rule-off, then How would one go about and debug this further? \n\n I'm opening to any suggestions at this moment. \n\n Any hints / suggestions / helps on this be will be much appreciated! I've another 100+ of those to remove :-(
On every, single, message.
Thankfully they have stopped now.
 
@halfer that's what I thought. So I guess that leaves the "edit" option, but that'll most likely result in a rollback war, flaring and me painting a target on my back.
haha, I already got the serial downvotes
 
@halfer So.. you're stalking them, and it works :D
 
11:13 AM
@Scratte Heh! Serial editing needs to be done carefully - there are mixed opinions about it on Meta. But I think I would venture to say that mods have been cautiously OK with it, as long as the edits are good. And of course one needs to back off a specific user if it causes problems with moderation generally.
But yes, it can work - some writers are particularly stubborn with adding rubbish, insisting on a liberty to their own "personal style".
@Adriaan I don't mind being associated with DVs, for the most part. The worst that someone can do is moan about it, and if someone contacts me seeking feedback, I will sometimes give it.
 
@halfer Fist time I hear this. I have been editing 100 of posts in one go of a user and no one battted an eye.
 
@halfer I don't mind downvotes much. I do mind those who moan about "us curators" abusing the system downvoting for incorrect, personal reasons, i.e. abusing the systems themselves.
 
@Dharman My Meta question: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/360365/472495, another one: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/258424/472495, another one: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/355232/472495 (Cody gives an answer on the last one).
I have found that most low-rep users don't care about it too much, or they do a couple of rollbacks and give up. However a very small number of people kick up an extraordinary fuss.
 
There is a 30k user who was making an absolute racket about being allowed to add religious proselytisation into his posts, and he was nothing if not committed. I agreed with mods to stop editing his material in the end, as I edited too many in one go.
 
@Dharman Heh! Every now and again I get a Meta that is about me. Comes with the territory :-)
 
I was joking, because I have not been very active here around 2014, but I did make a lot of such serial edits in the past year.
I try not to overwhelm the active page too much, but sometimes I did go a little overboard.
 
Heh, gotcha :-)
 
@halfer I think I may just be the emotional voter on such posts. Religious or political promotion is just not right.
 
Those were good questions. So in conclusion: serial editing is good, but try to spread it over time.
 
11:47 AM
@Dharman I will remove my downvote when the reason for it is gone ;) That's sort of the point, isn't it? Making it a good post.
 
@Scratte Have you downvoted me?
 
@Dharman I'm sure I haven't. We were talking about post with religious or political taglines :)
 
Ahh, no I was reading the questions Halfer suggested.
I was referring to them and the serial editing conundrum.
 
hello, I need a second opinion on whether this question is too broad or POB? stackoverflow.com/questions/60578596/why-compound-expressions
it's a +9/-0 and unclosed so it is currently used as a "Requires Editing" audit
 
that audit seems unfair, but otherwise - meh, keep it.
 
11:52 AM
not sure if I can bump it out of audits by closing and reopening, time to try something new
 
@SamuelLiew It looks good to me. It's asking about a single problem and it is looking for factual answers explaining the usage of this given syntax. Maybe it could use some editing, but in general it looks OK to me.
 
@SamuelLiew I don't see it as too broad, because the begin-end may be required for the statement to work. Also, there could be a perfectly good technical reason to split the statement up.
 
ok alright, thanks for the help
 
@Dharman I meant to say that without the edit to those posts, they may warrant a downvote. Removing the reason for the downvote, would in my opinion be a good thing, even when done by the same user to posts by another user. If I write "Vote for <candidate>" during an election on all my posts, I'd imagine I'd get a lot of emotional voting.
 
@Scratte Maybe, but we should try to avoid emotional voting. If there's inappropriate content in the post, then it is our responsibility to remove it by editing. Vote only based on the usefulness/correctness of the post.
 
12:15 PM
I do not understand the purpose of VLQ on questions. Every time I raise one it gets declined. I raised one today on this: stackoverflow.com/questions/61026628/…
This is pure gibberish in my opinion, and casting downvotes, close votes and delete votes is a complete waste of time. Why can't mods simply handle a VLQ flag on this and delete it?
 
The flag type, it's a trap.
The question is closed now and eligible for deletion
 
@Dharman IIRC VLQ flags on questions have to be handled by mods directly. However, mods are exeption handlers, for things the community can't take care of. In this case, three simple "Needs clarity" votes will take care of it. What the purpose of VLQ flags on questions is I wouldn't know though
 
I have a different question though: What do to with pictures of code in answers? Are they ok or do they NAA? Like this one It has several problems, but one is code in an image..
 
O_o
 
I flag pictures of code as NAA. They're no better than link-only answers.
 
12:22 PM
@Scratte In this case you can simply transcribe. However, in most cases you should flag as NAA. An image is not an answer unless you have to show visual aid to support your answer.
 
@DavidBuck I remember you once asked that same question, but I saw the reply.
@DavidBuck What is the decline/helpful rate on your NAA flags for these?
 
@Scratte I think the one I mentioned was even worse - an essentially blank answer with a picture of code posted as a comment to that answer!
I don't recall any being declined.
 
@DavidBuck Yes, I remember that :) It was worse than this one.
Or is this where the use of VLQ on an answer finds merrit?
 
@Scratte VLQ and NAA are the same type. There is no difference.
 
Yes, but I's scared of using NAA for answers even if they copy the answers of others.
 
12:28 PM
If you cast a VLQ/NAA flag on that answer you showed us it will be marked as helpful, because it is essentially thanks-answer, not because it contains the image.
 
@Dharman I trust you :D I take that back.. ;)
 
I just got a flag declined few minutes ago...
 
Is it just me or the featured on meta posts for MSO are gone?
 
It's not just you.
 
1:04 PM
@DavidBuck In such cases I include a comment with this link...More times than not the poster will transcribe his code - if he doesn't he really didn't want an answer...
 
1:18 PM
@Scratte This is NAA using image. stackoverflow.com/a/61028472/1839439
 
@Dharman Oh. That's just.. not very useful ;)
 
1:59 PM
@Scratte The problem with "seeing the light" is that it is very personal. Advertising it, whatever "it" is, is a waste of time
Quite aside from being off-topic
 
 
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3:53 PM
Just noticed a new tag which shouldn't exist: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/competitive-coding
 
4:23 PM
@Georgy Just FYI: Removing a tag is called "burnination". The process for doing so is described in: What is the process for tag removal (burnination)?
 
@Georgy Ugh. Most of the questions with that tag shouldn't exist either...
 
5:28 PM
 
dbc
Is this an answer? It states I believe that your code is functioning fine. Take a look and then has a screen capture of some code being run.
 
@dbc We sort of had this discussion earlier today :) I'd say, it's not the image that's the problem, because it's just a copy of the code in the question. At best it's a comment saying "There's no error in your code. I ran it".
 
dbc
Oh OK nevermind.
 
@halfer also flag comment as "no longer needed"
 
@dbc Maybe you misunderstood. The image IS a problem! But it's not the entire problem
 
dbc
5:42 PM
Was the consensus to flag it as "Not an answer" then? (The answer also looks wrong by the way, the diff[size] array likely overflows.)
 
@dbc I flagged this earlier today as NAA. I'd leave another comment on "your" answer saying that the post is really a comment about the code in question working.
 
6:09 PM
@dbc Now it's a slightly different situation. While I still think it's a comment, the moderator handling the flag may not agree. The answer is however preventing the Question asker to improve on their post, because it they do, they'll invalidate this answer.
 
M--
6:47 PM
@Lankymart this one's still valid: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=49020359?
 
8:09 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels "Voted to close as spam"??
 
Flag as spam. my bad
@Dharman: you should understand what I mean not what I say (this doesn't work with my wife either)
 
Ohh, ok. Made me look at the question too.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels And it doesn't work with my compiler, either. :)
 
8:23 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels try a transpiler ... works with Wife 3.0 ...
 
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Q: {competitive-coding] has no place here!

S.S. Anne Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? Nope. Meta, meta, meta. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site? Stack Overflow is about programming, so I guess? But really, competitive programming should go on Code Golf, if anywher...

 
@rene Hm, I think that I must have WIFE V4.0. Its source code is hidden and unmodifiable. Shoot, even its API is completely undocumented and encrypted. Forget decompilation
 
:D
Say Hi to the Misses from me ;)
 
8:39 PM
@rene: I will be sure to do so.
 
Do any SQL person here remember what to call the "join on .." compared to the "from a, b where"? Both methods has a name
 
^ More details needed :P
 
I may not be asking this right. It so tricky to find things when you don't know the name of them :)
 
9:07 PM
@Makyen Since the tag has so few questions, we can put it on Meta and then burn it ourselves after it's been up for a few days (assuming no serious objections), right?
 
@Scratte I always call them "a mess" but that might not be universal.
 
@Scratte There's inner and left/outer joins
 
@rene That's a very good name for what it is :) But I've so far found it to be "SQL ANSI-92" or "SQL-92" versus "SQL ANSI-89" or "SQL-89", but I'm sure I've seen other names used for those. Maybe just new and old :D
@Machavity Thanks :) I didn't really express what I was searching for very clearly, sorry.
 
@Scratte In SQL there always is an Oracle way and the right way ..
 
9:22 PM
@Scratte Implicit vs explicit joins. stackoverflow.com/questions/44917/…
or most commonly called "old style" JOIN
 
M--
OP edited their question. I'm on my phone at the moment. Would you check if it is qualified for a reopen-pls? stackoverflow.com/q/61022362/6461462
 
@M-- Not for me, but I'm no Java expert.
 
9:41 PM
@Dharman Thanks :) That's what I was trying to find.
 
9:51 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels You should flag that for CM attention. The age limit is 13
If you want I can flag it instead.
 
@Dharman: My guess is that it's not even true
 
It seems childish enough to be true. I will flag it.
Ok, the meta post says I do not need to flag, but I still think it's a good idea.
 
@Dharman I just placed a comment with the meta link: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/61770/…
 
Should we be policing the age limit on the site? It's a US specific law.
Heh, they erased their age from the question :-p
 
Do people really get the +2 reputation for editing just a tag?
 
10:08 PM
Yes - but the edit doesn't count towards the total for earning badges.
 
...because that would make it ridiculous :D
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica The meta post What is the process for tag removal (burnination)? has an abbreviated procedure for tags with < 50 questions.
 
@Makyen Yes, but in order to coordinate burnination here, we have to go through the extra step of creating a Meta post, right?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Yes.
 
10:35 PM
@halfer That's the thing. We should not be policing it, but I feel a moral obligation to raise this concern so that CMs can remove the account.
 
10:53 PM
RE: our earlier conversation on images in answers. This is definitely not an answer. stackoverflow.com/a/61035723/1839439
 
@Dharman I don't feel strongly enough about it to persuade anyone to change their mind, but there isn't anything risky - as far as I can tell - with an 11-year old asking a programming question in public. But imposing US law on the rest of the world is a cultural imperialism I'm wary of.
 
@halfer It's not our fault. It's a legal issue that the company has. Nothing we can do about it.
 
@Dharman Of course, but I did not say that it was anyone's fault. I'm just not willing to report them, that's all.
 
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