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12:01 AM
System abuse. R/A flag raised. :)
 
 
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5:20 AM
@Makyen Can you remind me what the voting threshold is for Meta posts for us to be able to coordinate an abbreviated burnination here? I was thinking in particular whether we can now do this burnination. It's technically got 53 questions, which is right around the bubble for that kind of burnination IIRC, but only 15 of them are open and most of them are set to Roomba.
 
5:37 AM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica The minimum score for consideration of a full burnination is 20. There are a couple hundred active burnination requests that meet that requirement. The maximum number of questions for an abbreviated burnination is 49.
 
5:48 AM
@Makyen Still, it's within 3 of that (52). Is that close enough, or does it literally have to be no more than 49?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica It needs to strictly comply with the requirements, and not have been manipulated into complying with those requirements by someone involved.
 
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9:06 AM
Joyful Easter, folks.
 
9:34 AM
o/
 
Spring is coming! 🌼 🌻 🌺 🌷 💮 🌹 🏵️
 
10:28 AM
As I'm named in the only answer to this question (which basically copied my comment) I'd appreciate it if someone else could take a look at the latest edit. IMHO it changes the OP's question significantly and should be rolled back, but either way, I assume it's now in the reopen queue.
 
@DavidBuck What does the removal of the code line self.length = 0 change?
 
@Scratte flower invasion !
 
@DavidBuck I don't know python, so I don't understand what makes the Question off-topic. Nor if it is now on-topic. But I find it strange that an edit modifying code was approved.
 
@Scratte The code change is irrelevant as that line is redundant. It's Off-Topic because the original question was about whether init needed to be called separately, but it was just a typo in the code(init should have double, not single, underscores). Now the edit has tried to make the question generic about 'how do I create automatic functions'. One person did reject as 'This edit deviates from the original intent of the post. ' but two others, inexplicably, accepted it
 
@DavidBuck I see four options: 1. Make a comment to the editor pointing them to a meta link about editing. 2. Take it to meta. 3. Leave it. 4. Both 1&2 :)
 
10:49 AM
@Scratte I was contemplating 5) Roll back the edit or 6) Assume that it won't be reopened now it's in the reopen queue and let Roomba deal with it in 10 days. Not sure I want to spend a family day arguing with people on Meta...
 
@SamuelLiew if you're around do you mind handing this Q-banned user that posted on MSE their deleted SO questions?
 
@DavidBuck I'm probably very pragmatic, but I was thinking that if the Question cannot be saved at all.. then what is the harm in letting it be? The edit is not invalidating any other answer. It's not even invalidating your comment :)
 
@Scratte You're probably right.
 
@DavidBuck If OP had not been offline since the Question was written, there is a good change they would have accepted the suggested edit. The result of either Roomba or a reopen would then be out our hands.
@rene Next I will sing a song :)
Is a lone-liner that is the same one-liner of another answer only down-votable or is it also flaggable? like return (n >> k) % 2;
 
11:31 AM
@Scratte depends how long apart they are posted and if they are a 100% copy. A fresh answer, blatant copy from a way older (think years) answer might be successful custom flagable. But a downvote and a comment might be enough to get 20K-ers use their del votes
 
@rene Thank you. I left a comment.. I figured one line isn't plagiarism, but certainly redundant. The comment before the code wasn't identical either.
 
11:48 AM
@Scratte yeah, if there is a tiny bit of own work, you don't have a strong case for plagiarism. Here is an answer of mine that might give ideas about how to reason about plagiarism flags and what to expect: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/350688/578411
 
@rene Thanks. I don't raise those flags though. I have my own meta post about it :) But I check.. and Skip.
 
12:20 PM
I answered a regex Question I thought was on-topic. I'd like to know why it's not, if someone wants to take a look.
 
1:07 PM
@Scratte I think it is fine, tbh. It has a stated goal, some test data, and an attempt. The data as an image is not ideal, but it is necessary to show the regex match highlighting in this case.
I've cast a RO vote
(I have flagged the abusive answer, now deleted, for a mod on "Decrypt AES in C++ Example" from SD).
 
1:34 PM
@halfer The image contains the same data as the code block. Just with the highlighting. I'm trying to find out if there are some special rules about regex, that's hidden somewhere in meta. Because I can't find anything in the help pages.
I see it's been reopened. But I'm still kind of curious. I thought maybe it's missing an engine.
 
 
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3:30 PM
@Scratte I wouldn't have voted to reopen that question. The question doesn't specify which regex engine is being used, which generally makes the question unclear/too broad. There are way too many different regex implementations to have people just guessing at the available capabilities. All we probably know is that the regex tester being used to generate the image supports both look-ahead and variable length look-behind.
Someone who's seen output from a regex tester similar to what's shown in the image might be able to guess more accurately, but that's still just which tester they are using, not, necessarily, the engine in which the OP is going to be using the regex. It's not uncommon for someone to, knowingly or unknowingly, use a regex tester, or settings in their tester, which supports a different variant other than the one which they really need.
 
3:44 PM
@Makyen I did a little research and it seems there are really not a lot of engines that support variable-length lookbehind. I narrowed it down to .net, vim and one more (can't remember the name, but it was soft :). I found vim very unlikely. I tested the regex on .net and it gives the result that OP says. I just don't think it's my place to add in the tag.
@Makyen I did note that it was closed as off-topic though (which makes the reason hidden from me). I expect OP will edit in the tag, as they did edit in the test-case when I asked them to.
One more thing: I don't think they're aware of any specific environment. I think they're using on online regex-thingy.
 
@Scratte There's also a Python regex package which implements variable length look-behind. SmokeDetector uses it. Part of the problem is that we really only know that the tester they are using supports variable length look-behind. We don't know that the package/environment in which they are actually using supports the features they are using in the current configuration of their tester. I've definitely seen people misconfigure their regex tester multiple times.
I agree, the environment you/we assume they are using is not something you should add to the question, unless there's considerably more evidence as to which they actually need to use.
@Scratte Yes, that's quite likely, and not uncommon.
 
@Makyen The initial edition of their Question had a link to one. But one has to sign up. I'm trying to identify the engine, but it's well hidden.
 
4:02 PM
@Scratte Could just be exhaustion because of the tag, I expect most of it is free work requests
 
@halfer I'm working for free trying to find out what engine that site it using :D @Makyen made me doubt if the .net tag is enough too :)
 
@Scratte The site appears to be associated with the machine learning lab of the University of Trieste. As educators, they really should know they need to specify such things.
 
@Makyen They haven't. And it seems the plot is thickening, since they link to a github site that also does not specify what engine they use. But!.. it seems they use software to provide with a regex "based only on examples of the desired behavior"
 
@Scratte Yeah, that code appeared to be written in Java, and links on their site imply Android.
 
4:20 PM
@Makyen I didn't test it in java.. I should. "(?<=X) X, via zero-width positive lookbehind" No idea what that even means. zero-width in my head is.. empty.
 
4:47 PM
@Scratte Heh. Volunteer curators on Stack Overflow are always working for free!
 
5:03 PM
@Shree BTW: IMO, using quote format for the error in this question makes the error significantly harder to understand than having it in code format to preserve the formatting of the error. Having line-breaks and indenting prior to each at, at least for me, makes scanning through the error much faster. It is possible to preserve the line-breaks and indenting in straight quote format, but it's considerably more editing work.
I know there are differing opinions as to errors being in code format or quote format. Personally, I strongly prefer code format in most cases, but definitely when formatting helps make the error text more understandable. If the quote formatting is desired, although I find that dramatically less useful now that <blockquote> doesn't have the yellow background, I suggest a block-quoted code block.
 
@halfer Yes :) But I must admit, it's much more fun to answer Questions than pressing Skip in the review queue :)
@Makyen I agree. I also do not like code in that html/css box, where pressing run snippet results in an error. Why put it there?
 
5:23 PM
@Scratte It's JavaScript in a JavaScript snippet. The OP has a syntax error in their code, which is completely demonstrated to anyone who wants to see it by just clicking "Run code snippet". Why would that not be beneficial? In this case, the question is about a syntax error, so being able to generate the error is particularly apt.
However, I also find it's beneficial to put JS/HTML/CSS into snippets to demonstrate to OPs that what they've provided definitely does not duplicate the error they have stated. It often quickly resolves issues with OPs saying "I've provided enough code to duplicate" and other people saying "No, you haven't".
 
@Makyen Ahh.. sorry. My mistake. I usually run them in review to see if they work :)
 
@Scratte np. You do have a point in this case. If it was an issue with how their code was running, then it might not be beneficial to have it in a snippet, given that it's something intended to run with discord.js within a node.js instance. Mocking enough of that within a snippet to demonstrate a functional problem would likely be difficult, although I've done it for some other environments within SO snippets.
 
5:51 PM
@Makyen noted thanks. It's habitual to format error on quote. I follow your advice on future. I miss yellow background. I try to give my best , when edit but I know I am not perfect.
 
6:04 PM
@Shree np. Thanks. I can understand the desire to have errors in quote format. The old quote formatting did do a good job of setting them apart visually, and errors arguably are quotations. If blockquote format preserved line formatting (and still had the yellow background), I'd probably agree that using it would be superior for errors. Unfortunately, it doesn't preserve the line formatting, unless you put considerable extra effort into editing.
In addition, the editor's automatic conversion to quote format actively removes the existing line formatting from the Markdown in many cases, which can make it impossible to recover that formatting, unless there's an earlier revision that's prior to the conversion to a blockquote.
Sorry. I must admit to a noticeable amount of frustration with how SE has implemented this. It would have been possible, and not that hard, to have good, consistent formatting (or at least a way that was intended to be consistent), but SE really has chosen not to address it, and to even make it worse, IMO (i.e. removing the yellow background).
Obviously, it's easy to add the yellow background back in for personal use, but doing so doesn't help the people who use SO/SE without userscripts/custom CSS.
 
@IterAtor sorry, what is this?
 
I was just about to ask the same thing -- why are you posting this here, and why so large?
 
@IterAtor I guess you have a question about the closure of your question?
Anything specific you need advice on?
 
So that you know, this room strongly discourages the use of "onebox" formatting (formatting where the question summary is auto-included into chat). If you have a question about the moderation of your question, you're welcome to ask it, but we also discourage straight requests for action (e.g. reopen/close/delete) about posts with which you are involved.
Because of both of those, I'm going to move your oneboxed message out of this room, but, again, you're welcome to ask for clarification about moderation actions, etc.
 
7:33 PM
Sorry for that. I did not know about onebox formatting, I just sent a link to the question
Thank you for reviewing it
 
@IterAtor np. It happens from time to time. Unfortunately, there isn't an easy way to quickly communicate the various requirements of the room, other than to point people at the FAQ, which is long and takes quite a bit of time to read. Chat also has a very limited edit period, 2 minutes, so even if we try to communicate that a format change is desired, it's difficult to get messages edited within 2 minutes, even though it would have been a trivial edit, if SE's chat system permitted it.
Given the requirements and capabilities of SE's chat, there's really not much that can be done, other than what happened here.
 
8:23 PM
@Makyen As per our previous discussion I can confirm that Java 11 has no issues with variable-length lookbehinds, in case you needed to know :D
 
re: error formatting discussion above, I usually format single-line errors as quotes and multi-line errors as code blocks, but really I just look at the output and decide if I think it's readable
 
9:07 PM
@AdrianMole You're sure they were able to add it in the 4 min. window? :)
 
@Scratte Not sure what you mean?
 
@AdrianMole I'm just way to nice I think :) I hope they fix it themselves first. They rarely do.
@AdrianMole Did you raise a custom flag?
 
No - just spam. Big Bhargav ♦ obviously came across the flag(s) and nuked it before it hit the required number for auto-delete.
 
9:22 PM
@AdrianMole I think there's more to the story.
 
Indeed - There seems to be something of a 'habit' with this user.
 
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