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12:25 AM
What is this php answer? An error dump?
 
 
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2:03 AM
Anyone know why this is getting reopen votes? Still seems overly broad and lacking in effort to me.
 
2:33 AM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica It was edited, pushing it into the reopen queue where it received Leave Closed × 3, Reopen × 2.
 
@Makyen Any point in 20k deleting it?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica It looks answerable to me, so I don't really see a reason to delete it. Yes, it's a statement of requirements, but they're asking for a quite short bit of code. I don't like the question, but I don't see it as invalid.
 
@Makyen It is answerable I suppose, but it still shows very little effort from the OP.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Which is a downvote reason, not a close or delete reason.
 
Hmmmm... still doesn't seem like a real question to me.
 
 
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6:30 AM
 
7:20 AM
@rene Thanks. It looks better than the one I came up with :)
 
 
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10:14 AM
^ Is that answer intended to be an edit of the question?
 
@honk It does sound like it's responding to the other answer there.
 
^ what Mike said.
 
10:30 AM
Do you folks think this one should be migrated to Meta?
 
@E_net4thecommentflagger Do you mean, as opposed to just closing it as off-topic? If so, then yeah, probably. Don't want to leave them hanging, and seem unfriendly.
 
Zoe
technically, the migration close reason is under off-topic :p
 
Yeah, I know, but I know that you know, too. :-)
 
Is this the option "This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network"?
 
Zoe
@Scratte yep
Meta is included in that
@Dharman that's basically spam
 
10:45 AM
@MikeM. OK, thanks! (@Scratte, too!)
@Dharman And there are two NAAs on that question...
 
@Zoe Ahh.. the missing elipses tricked me.
 
@Zoe ohh yeah. I didn't notice this. I just thought it was sharing a useful tutorial without knowing what is on topic. It's early morning and coffee hasn't kicked in yet.
I flagged the NAAs. They were reported by my bot.
 
11:02 AM
 
Is it uncommon or rude to correct users that say that "due to the code of conduct you need to provide with code"?
 
@Scratte If they are saying something that's an inaccurate requirement, I'd correct it. If they are attributing it to the CoC, then I'd link to the CoC and explain that it doesn't say that code is required, and include the typical "code is only required in debugging questions" discussion.
 
@Makyen I saw a requirement for code yesterday, where I didn't think that code was required. But I didn't have a good target. The on-topic page in the help center only mentions debugging help and homework.. oops :)
 
11:18 AM
@Scratte Code is generally needed for homework too, but the actual requirement for homework is: "Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it." Basically, "a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem" is usually code, but might not be.
 
@Makyen Can I use part of your phrasing? :)
 
@Scratte Sure. You may use phrasing from my messages above in this conversation in comments on SE without attribution (just to cover the potential licensing issue).
 
12:12 PM
@Scratte I don't think it is rude, but I wonder if it stretches the purpose of the CoC a bit too much. I think the CoC was instituted to improve kindness on the site, not to reduce off-topic (unanswerable) questions. To be fair to you though, some people have seen it as a two-way street - making no effort is a violation of the CoC - but I think that is a bit of a stretch. Close votes and automatic bans are the response to unanswerable questions (and they're working fine atm).
 
12:27 PM
@halfer I thought it might be caused by the word code in code of conduct. And a complete misunderstand of how the word isn't actually related to computer-code :)
 
12:46 PM
@Scratte Ah right, no. Code means "guidelines" or "rules" here.
 
@Scratte I've seen some comments of that nature, and they frankly don't help at all. The first part of this answer of mine shows my perspective on this: there are two dimensions of conduct, the CoC only expands on one of them.
For missing code, [mcve] is still the golden link, preferably followed by more concrete evidence of what's missing.
 
1:23 PM
 
1:46 PM
@E_net4thecommentflagger Thank you :) Interesting read. It does of course also apply to new users, but I expect them to be less informed. (heh.. username is too funny)
 
2:12 PM
@Scratte True, although problems do not exclusively emerge from new users.
 
2:29 PM
What to make of the SD Q/A above? It looks kind of spammy, but not fully
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I can't see it as a legitimate question.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Not seeing spam. I opened the link, it explains the crdownload thing
 
@Scratte OK thanks. Then voting to close as non-programming
 
2:52 PM
Has anyone knowledge on using Wireshark?
How to capture URL's on Wireshark?
 
@Student404Mus that is off-topic for this room but if those urls are sent over an SSL connection (aka https) you can't see them. Unless you install self-signed certs and go insane on settings in wireshark. Did you consider using Fiddler from Telerik instead?
 
@rene I am using it over network and Fiddler cannot be used over networks without installing it on other clients
 
Okay, it is off-topic in this room, so lets leave it at that. Maybe you try the folks on SuperUser.com
 
@rene thank you!
 
3:12 PM
Would a reasonable approach for this question just be to edit it to remove the 'or if you could send the link of a good tutorial' to make it On Topic and not attract NAAs?
 
4:01 PM
It's already mutated once and invalidated an answer
 
@rene sounds good to me - thanks
 
yw
 
5:21 PM
What is the bot talking aboot?
 
@JohnDvorak Non-space whitespace.
 
oh
I misread the report as saying it contained a lot of asterisks
 
5:54 PM
@SardarUsama seems possible to edit, isn't it?
 
@JohnDvorak It is too broad also even if you edit that out
 
7:45 PM
Hello :) I'm looking at post. I'm not happy with the title.
It's this one. Would it be bad to change the title to "My lookbehind Regular Expression fails to omit a word"?
 
7:56 PM
I have an answer for it, but I'd like to edit it first.
 
8:33 PM
Hi! I have a question about a recent Not an Answer flag which was rejected. I want to make sure I'm drawing the right lesson so I'm not wasting moderator attention in the future. The answer I flagged.
The answer is a clarifying question, which is why I flagged it; it should have been left as a comment. It does provide an explanation, but the explanation illustrates the author's own question, without addressing the OP's. Finally, answering the question wouldn't have actually resolved the OP's problem, so it wasn't e.g. an answer disguised as a rhetorical question. All of this had already been called out by reputable commentors.
That said, understanding that it was a clarifying question and not a potential solution may have required some technical understanding of the topic, and so my assumption is that it was declined since "moderators do not judge the technical correctness of answers. Does that seem right in this case?
 
@JeremyCaney Yes :) I can't find it now, but I was once told that an answer that can be an answer to any Question on Stack Overflow is not NAA.
 
@JeremyCaney it is an answer (correct or incorrect doesn't matter), so if you flag it as NAA, it most likely will be declined. The correct way to handle it, is DV, check also this post: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/265552/…
 
8:49 PM
@Vickel: I guess that's the part I'm stumbling on. It doesn't seem to be an answer to me. It's a clarifying question. Answering the question would, at best, change how someone might answer the question. But it's not an answer itself.
 
@JeremyCaney It can be edited into an incorrect answer.. I think it's a tricky case, because once one reads the Question it's obvious (to me) that it doesn't answer it. However, it could be an explanation of pitfalls or something..
 
if you read "Do the timespans overlap?" as a rhetoric question, it means "timespans do overlap", which is an answer
 
@Scratte: That's a really useful heuristic; I like that. It also addresses another question I've been meaning to ask, which is what to do with answers that may be interesting observations, but are nonsensically irrelevant to the question. By that measure, it seems clear that they should be downvoted but not flagged.
 
@JeremyCaney Basically, yes, it is not an answer to the question, but it's not something I'd flag as NAA, because NAA flags are generally expected to be used on things which are unequivocally not answers to any question. That one does take more time and effort to evaluate that it's not actually an answer. In such cases, you are better off raising a custom flag and explaining a bit, which will result in the moderator taking more time to evaluate the "answer".
You could use text for the custom flag such as "While at first this looks like it might be an answer, it's really asking the question OP a clarifying question with an image to explain what the 'answerer' is asking of the question OP. As it is, this 'answer' doesn't actually attempt to answer the question which is being asked in the question. Please see the comments for more discussion about this issue."
 
@JeremyCaney This is an example of an answer that isn't relevant to the Question. I flag answers that are clearly not answering anything at all. Like new Questions (but like @Vickel mentions: watch out for rhetorical questions), thanks you's, links with nothing else..
 
8:56 PM
@Vickel: Aha, that's a fair point! At that point, it's still pretty irrelevant to the OP's question, but then we arrive at @Scratte's heuristic. Thank you both for walking me through this.
 
@JeremyCaney I have some answers on declined NAA posts on MSO. This one might be helpful: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/342431/578411
 
@Makyen: Thank you, that's really useful. I'm always really hesitant to use the custom flag because I know those go directly to moderators without first being vetted by reviewers. But I think NAA flags do as well, so I suppose that doesn't really matter in this case.
 
@JeremyCaney np. NAA flags go to the Low Quality Posts queue first. Moderators may also choose to handle them, and/or the flag is directed to them if not handled in LQP. If the answer has a positive score, moderators will also review the flag. If the NAA flag has been "declined", then a moderator handled it. If the flag was "disputed", then the result of the LQP queue was "Looks OK".
At the moment, moderators appear to be handling a larger percentage of NAA flags than "normal".
 
@rene: Oh, now this is interesting: "Down votes and comments are much more effective because that enables 20K-ers to delete vote such answers." I assume the assumption here is that a 20K-er seeing a post is more likely to have subject-matter expertise than a moderator to assess the relevance of an answer to the specific question. That's really useful, and not something I'd considered.
@rene: Specifically, I'd been thinking of flagging to close/delete as the only way to remove irrelevant content. Knowing that 20K-ers have that privilege makes me feel better about those "nonsensically irrelevant" answers I mentioned above. Thank you again, this has been an incredibly useful chat; I feel much more confident about when (not) to use that flag now.
 
9:16 PM
@JeremyCaney That is accurate. For instance, I had no problem delete-voting that answer, even though I'd be hesitant raising an NAA flag. Frankly, I was a bit surprised that mine was the first delete-vote, given that there were definitely some other visitors to the question with >20k rep.
 
 
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11:59 PM
Regarding this question: should I flag it as spam, or VTC as far off-topic?
 

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