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12:58 AM
@Scratte Yes, I knew those from personal experience. I did have to look up which Meta post applied. I wasn't sure if there were expiration times on on flag types I didn't list, but the meta post implies that there's not.
 
@Makyen I don't think the days applies to "a duplicate...". I've had one pending since Jan 22. That's 15 days.
I don't think I flagged it to be closed though.
@Makyen Or maybe policy has been changed since the document was written.
 
1:27 AM
@AndrasDeak I'm a huge slacker, but none of the flags moderators handle are subject to aging away. Only close votes/flags age away, and diamond moderators really don't handle those.
 
@Scratte I should have been more precise. I simplified it a bit. Close-votes age away nominally 4 or 14 days after the most recent close vote was cast. They then age away at the rate of one close-vote per 24 hour period, unless someone casts another close-vote. Actual testing has indicated that the age-away time is really somewhere between 3.5 and 4.5 days and 13.5 and 14.5 days, depending on when the vote was cast within the UTC day.
I don't know if casting close-votes affects how long it takes close-flags to age away, or if someone raising another close-flag affects your close-flags similarly to how someone casting a close-vote affects the aging away of close-votes.
So, it would be more accurate to say that close-flags will age away sometime after 3.5 or 13.5 days. Under most conditions, they will age away after no more than than 4.5 or 14.5 days, but might take longer than that, depending on how the logic was written and the actions of other people (i.e. if other people have raised close-flags or have cast close-votes on the question, if close-flags are affected similarly to close-votes).
 
@Makyen Oh. That makes sense. I was just counting my own days. Of course where I'm at, I can't know what others did. The hidden link (mouse over flags) did give me a new sense of discovery though :)
 
 
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2:41 AM
@M-- We don't discuss users due to rules. Can step into another room if you want
 
M--
@Machavity fair enough
 
 
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5:44 AM
@Shree Have you seen the two identical answers? Isn't the question a spam seed with two spam answers?
 
I see but not sure about spam seed.
 
At second thought, maybe not, you are right
 
6:55 AM
any recourse to get rid of an old off-topic question with obsolete and NAA answers even though it's at +15? stackoverflow.com/questions/66132/imap-in-emacs-rmail
 
7:07 AM
@tripleee just a matter of more delvotes
 
7:17 AM
@AndrasDeak it's not eligible for delete voting as far as I can see
 
@tripleee 2 days after closing everything is (locked posts might be exceptions)
But it will need more than 3
 
@AndrasDeak hmm yes let's wait
 
I think edits to dupe target lists should not bump questions. Opinions?
 
@AndrasDeak I'm kinda sorta divided, I can agree that bumps help add visibility and thus review
 
But if I bump a crappy dupe to better pinpoint it the asker probably gets more downvotes
 
7:30 AM
@AndrasDeak crappy seed then (-:
@AndrasDeak isn't that a rather marginal scenario though? (albeit maybe an important one from a "be more welcoming" perspective, but hey, let's get rid of downvotes altogether then)
 
@tripleee these days I'd expect it to be more common
 
 
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9:33 AM
This one is slightly different ... by about 1e-15
 
9:54 AM
@tripleee I am tempted to cv as "because it is not about programming". Would you mind?
I mean, I hope you don't mind. But I am late :(
@Dharman No mcve or duplicate?
 
@Vega It doesn't matter. Closed is closed.
 
10:11 AM
@Vega if you are asking if I approve of using a different close reason, no problem at all in this case, and I don't really have a say anyway ... I was hesitant about "needs more focus" and was thinking of adding a custom close reason actually
 
@Dharman It does matter for the OP :)
@tripleee I hesitated too long. It was closed before I could decide. Thank you for the answer :)
 
@Vega The link will be in the comments or in the banner, so they will see the post either way. Both reasons are suitable in my opinion. If someone can hammer with one vote then it is easier to close as duplicate, but if only 2 more people need to vote as off-topic it doesn't matter much.
 
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12:39 PM
@aaaaa no idea but that is off-topic here as well.
 
1:11 PM
Morning
 
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@/
 
/o\
 
\O
 
\m/
 
1:24 PM
that is not a greeting @Lankymart ...
 
1:42 PM
@rene I said please ...
 
true that ;)
 
c-c-c-c-combo breaker?
 
2:56 PM
@leonheess Trying to translate code from one language to another is not off-topic at Stack Overflow
If you think the question runs afoul of an actual close reason, such as "needs more focus", please use that reason instead
 
@TylerH Oh, I thought this is like "Can you please code X for me?"
 
@leonheess such a question would also be too broad, or "needs more focus" these days
In other words, unless you are typing in a custom close reason when voting to close the question, just use the reason you chose when posting a cv-pls here
 
@TylerH Oh okay. I actually used the Needs Focus flag but wanted to describe the actual problem as it is not obvious at a first glance IMHO
 
@leonheess Gotcha. The question already had a close vote for needs more focus when I landed on it, so I assumed you had cast that vote (and thus had more than 3k reputation :-))
 
@TylerH (:
 
M--
@PearlySpencer No MCVE?
@TylerH just mentioned to use the actual close reason ;)
 
I think the score colors changed again. Either that or I am losing my eyesight
 
@Dharman on which page?
 
@TylerH Every page? Click on any score to get the breakdown and you will see different colors on answers/questions.
 
M--
@Dharman It changed
I think from #48a868 to #5eba7d for green and similar for red
 
3:55 PM
@Dharman ah, yes that's new. It used to be black
IIRC
 
M--
4:09 PM
@TylerH @Dharman talks about the vote breakdown when you click on the vote count. But yeah, the vote count itself changed as well. It wasn't black though. It was a darker shade of grey. Breakdowns were darker as well. Question is: why? new colors feel cheesy :D
 
4:34 PM
@M-- If you make a meta post about it I'll upvote it :-P
I agree it looks cheesy
 
4:55 PM
I really should get that HTML gold badge...
 
o/
 
@M-- Upvotes used to be: maroon, which is #800000 (contrast ratio: 10.94:1; passes all WCAG contrast standards). Downvotes used to be green, which is #008000 (contrast ratio: 5.13:1; passes all WCAG contrast standards, except WCAG AAA for normal sized text).
Upvotes now are class="fc-red-400", which is defined by SE as #de535e (contrast ratio: 3.81:1; passes WCAG AA for large text, but fails all other WCAG text standards). Downvotes now are class="fc-green-400", which is defined by SE as #5eba7d (contrast ratio: 2.38:1; fails all WCAG contrast standards).
 
5:11 PM
> geen
:-D
so a Meta post should definitely be made, then
since WCAG standards are being failed now
 
@TylerH Thanks.
 
it definitely would fall afoul of red-green color-blind folks, I think, in its new state
 
Nothing like a few revenge downvotes after a big review push to get the afternoon started. Serves me right for leaving comments.
 
@TylerH Good luck. HTML seems to be worse than PHP in upvotes
 
I'd also note that the fc-red-400 and fc-green-400 classes both use !important, which make them somewhat harder to override. SE has moved to using !important quite a bit, almost routinely. The older maroon and green were implemented as style in the HTML, so your would have had to use !important anyway, if you wanted to override the old colors.
 
5:19 PM
I just saw someone leave a comment with a link to one of the reasons of idownvotedbecau.se like idownvotedbecau.se/noattempt What is the policy on that?
 
@Scratte see meta.stackoverflow.com/a/379603. If you flag the comment as NLN, it will be automatically deleted.
 
@double-beep Thanks :)
 
Yeah, I would use links to that site at your own risk
 
The upside to it is the message that once the code is provide, the OP can leave a message for the downvote to be removed. The content of the site is not rude at all. I just found it very strange that in the comment I saw there was no text to the link.
 
5:45 PM
That SD report is spam
 
@Machavity and the question spam seed.
 
6:34 PM
@Machavity Yeah, funny thing is I have enough answers, just lacking like 200 score or something
 
7:18 PM
@SecretAgentMan Yes, it probably does. Leave flags instead. :-)
 
7:36 PM
@CodyGray I appreciate you taking the time to ping me and link the Meta discussion. It is a good lesson learned.
 
@SecretAgentMan I hope you realize the ping was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Obviously nobody "deserves" revenge downvotes. But I do believe that in many cases when you're "out there" curating/moderating content, you should think twice before leaving a comment. Downvotes, close votes, and flags are your most powerful weapons (in that order).
 
@CodyGray Shame on you for stealing Andreas' joke in your comment :P
 
Oh heh, I didn't even realize Andreas had made that joke. I use it all the time. It's one of my all-time favorites.
 
It's a goodun
 
I don't know if software developers find it as amusing as I do.
 
7:42 PM
Turns of phrases are always appreciated
 
@yivi Seems that question could be salvaged. I took a stab at it; does that help at all, in your opinion? I'm not a subject-matter expert here, so maybe the choice really does just come down to opinions. But in general, I think it is acceptable to ask on SO how something should be accomplished and if your proposed implementation is reasonable, as long as it's a specific task (check) and you have done your research (check).
 
set phrases to stun
 
lol
Now it's my turn to steal Andras' jokes
 
@CodyGray Andras, actually ;)
but yeah, I first read it ten years ago on a t-shirt
 
@AndrasDeak I copied Das_Geek's spelling, don't get on me!
 
7:44 PM
It was my bad, he was using my spelling
 
@Das_Geek booo
 
Sorry :/
 
What I didn't copy was his incorrect apostrophe use.
 
What?
 
Last I checked, neither Andreas nor Andras are plural.
 
7:45 PM
For people's names that end in s, wouldn't you use the apostrophe like I did?
 
@CodyGray I was told that any trailing s needs an omitted s in 's, as in "Mrs Mills' hair" (specific example from 7th grade English)
 
Really? No, I'm pretty sure that omitting the s after the apostrophe is only for plurals.
 
well you're the native
 
Apparently this is controversial among grammar nerds.
Doesn't make sense to me. Does "the boss's wife" become "the boss' wife" just because it ends in "s"?
 
that's how I was taught
 
7:49 PM
Hm yeah. Apparently adding 's is preferred, but just an ' is acceptable. I learned to use the latter form
No, the former on Cody's example is how I was taught
 
@CodyGray That is indeed the rule. If it ends in s you do s', not s's
 
I was drawing my sources from Purdue's knowledgebase
 
but I don't know whether you also don't say it, or is this just for writing...
 
thepunctuationguide.com is an authoritative source now?
 
No, but that's what I was taught in school as well
 
7:50 PM
> NOTE: the generally accepted convention for most academic styles (including CMOS, APA, and MLA) is to add apostophe + s to the singular form of the word, even if it ends in "s." Non-academic styles, such as AP, suggest simply adding an apostrophe to the end of a word that ends in "s." Please check the style guide of whatever format you're using to make sure you're in line with their recommendations.
 
Oh good. No academics here ;)
 
New topic for RO meeting: What is SOCVR's grammar style guide?
 
I will note that when I had to submit papers to IEEE in their format, I was corrected to use the s' rule
So us computer-whiz-nerds might prefer the shorter way
 
We use Oxford commas, except when we don't
 
@CodyGray We use programmer
 
7:53 PM
@NathanOliver The only change between my "programmer" style guide and my "academic" style guide is where I put the punctuation relative to quotation marks. Stupidly, American English style puts them inside of the quotation marks, which is incredibly confusing.
> Did you read the article that said "grammar is fun?"
 
And PHP has single and double quotes slightly different
 
Earlier today, I did both. I have The compiler looks at it and goes: "Hey, idx might not be able to fit in value, lets tell the programmer in case it was a mistake.". in one of my answers. Not sure if its correct or not, but it looked okayish
 
And don't get me started on "MS Word curly quotes"
 
To me, as a right-thinking human, and especially a programmer, that implies that the article contained the phrase "grammar is fun", followed by a question mark, when, in fact, that's not what happened. The question mark was added by me, the writer of the sentence, because I was asking a question.
@NathanOliver Definitely wrong; "lets" should be a contraction for "let us".
 
@CodyGray I was taught to put the punctuation inside only if it was part of the thing you're quoting. TIL academics are weird
Guess I already knew that last bit though :P
@Machavity ew
 
7:58 PM
What's wrong with curly quotes? They're cute!
 
I have to do weird things in LaTeX to keep it from rendering the curly ones
 
@CodyGray I love it in code on SO
@Das_Geek that means you're using latex wrong
 
@AndrasDeak Good, I'm glad.
I beat my templates into submission
 
@Das_Geek That’s funny. In my world, templates beat you into submission.
 
8:11 PM
Don't trust anything that has both "temp" and "late" in its name
 
@Machavity Is that actually SEO? Looks like it’s in the context of SEO, but they’re really just trying to change the title of a react app
 
@CodyGray I re-read it and it still sounds like the problem is they changed the React Title, but Google hasn't changed theirs
 
@Machavity ok. Maybe a comment to that effect, directing them to take up the issue with Google support?
I know you left a comment, but it’s the generic one. If I can’t connect the dots, it’s reasonable to assume the asker can’t, either.
 
@CodyGray Fair enough. Left them an answer in a comment. Saying Google has "support" for SEO is kinda misleading, which is why I don't often use that one for SEO
 
I thought I’d heard they did.… I mean, not for SEO, but for “my site doesn’t show up in the Google results like it should”
It has the wrong title, it’s displayed with a picture of a giraffe next to it, one of the extracted quicklinks is to porn, etc.
 
8:27 PM
Search Console kinda does that. It lets you see a bit of what's happening under the hood. That and Google Analytics are the top tools any website needs
 
I thought the top tool any website needed was a downvote button. Have I misunderstood the world?
 
Well, rene took ours out. Something about the downvote buttons being "too sharp"
 
We could blur them out. The important thing is that they continue to light up orange.
I thought rene learned to C#
 
I couldn't C
 
8:39 PM
Can you just B?
 
Eh?
 
2B || !2B
 
Is there a question in there?
 
where?
 
@NathanOliver I think Shakespeare was thinking of a lambda that evaluated the expression 2B || !2B
There’s some indirection in Hamlet’s soliloquy
 
8:44 PM
lol
 
I never feel like I get enough use out of lambdas
So I look for applications.
 
Like lambdas to the slaughter?
 
My code currently looks like silence of the lambdas
 
It rubs the CSS on its site, or gets the SEO again
 
@CodyGray As much as I like them, they represent a niche feature for me. IMHO they are really only useful when you need some one off functionality. I suppose you could replace most funtors with a lambda, especially in C++20 with there extended template support, but I normaly tend to write my functors out.
 
8:57 PM
Ooh, I never use functors anymore. Even with the compiler supported subset of C++17, I just use lambdas for all that. But it’s honestly quite rare that I need it.
Maybe I’m old school or something, but most of the time, if a function deserves to be written, it deserves to be given a name and implemented as an actual function.
 
I like functors because they can have state. You can kind of get that with regular functions, but it makes it much more difficult.
 
Lambdas can have state; capture it from the caller
Seems more elegant to me than functor objects
 
@CodyGray They are, but when you needed any sort of TMP you had to fall back to using a functor instead since lambdas did not support that. For instance there was no way to constrain the parameter type of a lambda besides specifying a single concrete type.
 
Optimizers aren’t quite good enough yet for me to make extensive use of algorithms like std::transform and its ilk, so my need for lambdas is minimal. I wrote code that summed two vectors using std::accumulate one after the other. Turns out, no compilers merge those loops. I have to just write out the summation loop myself.
 
@CodyGray Unless you're Javascript, where half your functions are anonymous
 
9:05 PM
Which...doesn’t bother me too much. Somehow, perhaps controversially, I find a simple summation loop that iterates over an array to be more readable than a call to a function like ``std::transform`
@Machavity Javascript is just nasty. I discovered this the other day trying to write userscripts.
 
@CodyGray Thanks. I took the comment as intended. I don't have your glasses but I can still read between the lines fairly well.
 
I'm feeling my way through Python today so JS isn't that bad. At least they have syntax. Python is like "Indentations are it. Period"
 
@CodyGray I must admit, right now I don't generate a lot of rep so I'm a bit stingy with answer downvotes. On some review pushes I feel I could downvote myself back to 1 unicorn point if I'm not selective.
 
@SecretAgentMan It is perhaps worth pointing out that you get the rep lost from downvotes back when the downvoted posts are deleted. Also, downvotes on questions are free.
@Machavity Yeah… :-/ That’s not a good feature. I had a traumatic introduction to Python when I tried to help a coworker debug errors in his code that made no sense, until I finally discovered his code used a combination of tabs and spaces.
 
9:20 PM
@CodyGray Well that's wrong no matter what language you're using.
The compiler may not complain about it, but it's still wrong
 
I press tab, but I have it replaced by spaces
 
Same
always set expandtab, kids
 
Of course. I know how to solve this problem by correctly configuring my editor, but this other guy didn’t.
That shouldn’t cause his code to break in creative ways
 
@CodyGray :retab?
 
Sure, once you discover that’s the cause. I scrutinized hundreds of lines for almost an hour looking for syntax errors until I enabled “show whitespace” mode in the editor. At that point, yes, one command replaced all tabs with spaces as God intended.
Except I use GUI editors
 
9:25 PM
@NathanOliver Your IDE secretly hates you tho :P
 
Not me. I love me my auto complete.
And the only time I let a red squiggly line go unchecked is when I know I broke the code and I haven't finished fixing it yet. My dad taught me to treat my tools with respect.
 
@NathanOliver And when the Intellisense compiler disagrees with cl.exe
 
That too.
 
Other than those two things, I hardly ever even see squiggly red lines in my code.
 
9:43 PM
are tag synonym scores counted separately from a tag for gold badge status?
e.g. tag1 is synonymized to tag 2. You have 400 score in tag1 and 600 score in tag2, so you have 1000 score as far as the gold tag badge counter is concerned?
 
@TylerH Thinking of synonyming [css] and [html] to get that gold badge? Cheeky
 
well, no, I actually just got the gold badge, but I only have ~650 or so score in it. I had a few hundred score in [html5] I think before it got synonymized, though. But I wouldn't expect that to count... especially because there is a ton of overlap when the tags were separate
weird, it just updated to 1009
maybe I need more coffee
I'm going crazy
 
Yeah, I see 1k score on your activity
 
I imagine it would depend on whether the tags were mere synonyms, or whether they’d been merged.
I don’t know if tag synonyms are redirected to the master tag for the purposes of badges
 
10:00 PM
A synonym does not apply to the main tag score. If the tag was merged, then your score would change as the old questions would actually be retaqgged.
 
Huh, yeah looks like was retagged to . A search of returns no results and redirects to . The [tag:html5-*] variants still exist
@TylerH You're not crazy yet!
 
@Das_Geek html5 is a synonym: stackoverflow.com/tags/html/synonyms
 
There were two questions tagged . There are now none.
 
^^ should that edit be rolled back?
 
@Das_Geek Been nearly a year on that
 
10:11 PM
@Dharman Why?
 
it was an image of the code and someone rewrote the code
There's so many problems with that question...
 
What’s wrong with transcribing the code from an image? If a kind soul wants to do that, good for them. It’s not a bad thing.
 
Ugh, that question needs deleting, not rollbacks
 
@Machavity For synonyms, or merging? I see that Bhargav said he'd merge, but didn't see a follow up
 
@Machavity I agree
 
10:14 PM
@TylerH I edited the questions 1, 2, and 3 to add the , because they are all also HTML questions, in addition to being about CSS.
I also edited this question to add , because it's primarily about JavaScript. It's also about HTML, and CSS, but less so than the other tags which max it out at 5 tags.
 
@CodyGray It's easy to make a mistake, I actually had to check the image, because I couldn't believe the typos. quotes around all parameters?
 
@Das_Geek He might have forgotten to post. It looks merged
 
@Das_Geek Follow-up came later. Short version is, he forgot. :-)
 
Oh so they were only merged a month ago, then?
 
Yes. I actually did it.
 
10:16 PM
@Makyen Does that mean you actually have TylerH a Gold hammer?
 
It’s odd that a few minutes ago when I looked, there were 2 questions tagged . I don’t know how that could have happened.
There was some weirdness doing that merge though. It kept timing out. May have been a race condition with newly tagged questions being submitted during the merge and thus skipped. I didn’t check the dates before I just remerged now.
 
I checked the tag synch logs when looking into Tyler's conundrum...lotta diamonds in there
 
@Makyen Aha, that CSS onclick one did it
@Das_Geek the tag sync logs?
 
@Dharman Editing those did result in @TylerH having over the 1000 tag score required for a gold badge in . I view it as correcting the tagging on those questions. I wouldn't have edited them to include the tag unless I felt the questions should actually have the tag, and that adding the tag didn't require removing a more relevant tag.
 
@TylerH Sorry, meant to type "synonym logs"
 
10:27 PM
@TylerH Yeah, that one has quite a few votes. It's a nice solution, which involves both CSS and HTML.
 
Been eating too many synonym buns; gotta switch over to rigma rolls
 
Ugh, who created this tag? Needs to be synonymed since CodeIgniter doesn't do htaccess
 
@Machavity Synonymed to what? ?
 
@Machavity retag instead
 
@CodyGray Correct. Was looking at the suggested synonym page and noticed it was in there
 
10:36 PM
looks like this was the origin of it stackoverflow.com/posts/51613597/revisions
 
Does anyone want to edit this into shape? Twitter Bootstrap Button Text Word Wrap I am too tired to do it today. I am already in bed.
 
@Machavity I voted up the synonym, but it didn't do anything. So I merged the tag from another UI. :-)
Was looking to see if there was any relevant Meta discussion regarding the tag that I should update, and found this. I had no idea that was a FAQ. I've never noticed that before.
It seems oddly specific for a FAQ...
 
@CodyGray Nice! I upvoted all the ones i could see
 
Did you see any others?
The tag synonym UI for non-mods is so horribly broken. For mods, it is now great.
 
mysqli has two suggested (one by me just now, since it was suggested for an unrelated tag)
 
10:47 PM
is not only mysqli related. It actually started as a PDO tag. Don't synonymize it please
 
@Dharman Ah. Then we should synonym to . My bad
 
Why is a bad tag? We don't normally discourage the use of tags for specific APIs.
 
@Machavity It's used for both and is somewhat useful, I actually add it to some questions. If it doesn't hurt, please leave it as it is.
 
I don't know what PDO or Bindparam is, so I'm not going to touch that one. Gonna have to take that request to Meta for a bit of consensus before I pull the trigger.
 
@CodyGray it's for one specific function and in addition in a specific format
 
10:48 PM
And simplexml (the synonym is another form of the constructor)
@CodyGray Actually, please reject it. I requested it and Dharman has made a good point
 
@Dharman Tags for a specific function are fine, though....
 
@CodyGray is the API, tho. That's one function in that API
 
Sure, but we have other tags that refer to a specific function or class.
 
@CodyGray Not very useful though...
 
...and woah, they just changed the styling/design of the Tags page.
 
10:52 PM
Yeah, Adam Lear did that last year
I really like it. It's a pity the thing is nigh impossible to find
 
No, not the mod one. The normal one
 
@Machavity No, Cody meant the recent change to tag page.
 
Oh. I hadn't noticed that either
 
See? Breaking news.
 
What's broken?
 
10:57 PM
@CodyGray The problem I have in keeping it is there's several similar functions in PHP. There's fetch_array, fetch_assoc, and fetch_object. I'm not sure we need tags that granular
 
11:34 PM
@Dharman The tags page.
Anybody also notice that the tint of the votes shown has changed when you click on the vote count and you have the "show vote counts" privilege?
 
11:48 PM
@S.S.Anne Does look different - is there red/green involved? (I can't see, as I'm RGB agnostic.)
 
@S.S.Anne Yes, the green and red colors used for the + and - scores have been lightened. I thought it was a smudge on my monitor earlier today.
 
@AdrianMole Yes, the upvotes were green and the downvotes were red. They've been lightened.
@CodyGray Good. I was worried my cookies had messed it up. I wonder why they did that.
 
Green isn't what it used to be! The colour of the wee "+130" (or whatever) bubbles is paler than it was back when I was seeing them more often.
 
@S.S.Anne Conformity with their Stacks branding/styles. They've switched to using the "red" and "green" accent colors defined there, instead of hardcoded colors in the CSS.
@AdrianMole It ain't easy being green. Green is a favorite thing for the designers to change around here.
 
@Cody Could you give me a sample shot of the new "+10" bubble - I've forgotten what it looks like. 😊😊
 
11:57 PM
Uh...I dunno
Nobody ever upvotes my answers
 
I did - at least once!
 
...but that makes the orange look screamy
 
I get lots of upvotes on Meta, but those don't count.
I really only ever post answers on Meta now
 
@CodyGray When you post x86 assembly answers they're great, though.
 
You think? I got downvoted to oblivion last time I tried to post x86 asm answers on Meta.
 
11:59 PM
On main...
 

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