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4:00 AM
Ha, VS sure, but I don't even think of compilers, sanitizers, or debuggers as tools. I think of tools as IDEs, and stuff. Which is perhaps not a useful distinction.
 
Food for thought on typos: morsel 1, morsel 2
 
@Nick Setting aside the "typo" part for a moment, I don't see the logic there. The question is about encodings, it's just that the OP didn't know that. Which is perfectly fine. If the OP knew that, they wouldn't have asked the question even.
@CodyGray That's very useful, thanks. Yeah, the Go question is basically the same as the one we're talking about.
 
@cigien let's just agree to disagree. This is going round in circles.
 
I haven’t read the question you two are discussing
 
@Nick Ok, but make sure to read the 2 links Cody shared. The Go question is the same.
@CodyGray This one.
 
4:07 AM
@cigien I did, and I disagree about the Go question. That is a different operator. This is a different character inside a string
 
You mean you disagree that the Go/AT&T syntax question is comparable to this one, not that you disagree with my assessment regarding the original Go/AT&T syntax question?
 
@Nick Ok, I see what you mean. Fair enough, let's agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for discussing it.
 
@CodyGray I disagree that they are comparable to the one we are discussing.
 
Yeah, I also am not convinced that they are comparable, although I can see the point of view.
I'll further bet that there is at least one question already on this site about the difference between hyphens and similar hyphen-looking characters.
 
Hmm, I didn't actually look for dupes in general, just C++ dupes.
 
4:19 AM
@cigien - not sure which link you're talking about or whether whatever you were referring to got migrated.
 
@tink I thought you shared the wrong link, but it was correct, and the post had been migrated. I misread it, that's all.
 
Okie dokie =}
 
@cigien was filing a complaint that moderation happens too fast around here.
 
we need more recounts
 
Actually, it does get confusing at times ;)
 
4:23 AM
I might agree, if it weren't for the giant blue banners...
But I guess now we know why new users don't read them. Even experienced users don't read them.
 
Hmm, you Americans call that a "burn" right? :D
Actually, I don't know that you're American, I shouldn't assume that.
 
A sick one, yes.
How do you not? My profile reveals my location.
 
Location doesn't imply identity. If you put a dog in a stable, is it a horse?
 
What does location have to do with it? That would make me American as well, and I'm certainly not that.
 
If you're living in America, wouldn't you be an American?
I mean, not legally, but practically.
You'd know the answer to the question, "What do Americans call this thing?"
 
4:28 AM
I'm american. I was born in the continent :D
 
I've never heard it used like that.
 
Upon second thought, I guess it's a weird interpretation.
 
I blame Monroe about that
 
There was a debate on UK TV many years ago about what we should call nationals of the USA. The word "American" applies equally well to Canadians, Brazilians and even citizens of the Dominican Republic (or whatever). One suggestion was "Columbian" (as opposed to "Colombian" - note).
 
@Braiam That his vision was incompletely implemented, and left countries in the Americas that weren't fully swallowed up by the United States?
 
4:31 AM
Or maybe I have my Columbians confused?
 
@CodyGray Worse, they just messed up and didn't clear up after themselves.
 
@AdrianMole Somehow, I think that proposal would not allay any of the confusion.
 
@AdrianMole US citizens ;)
 
The debate was hosted by a comedian, to be fair.
 
@Braiam What if they're not citizens?
 
4:32 AM
@CodyGray You are a "nationals of the USA" so by default you are a citizen
Or are there any citizens that isn't a national?
 
What if you're just a permanent resident?
You can have permanent resident status without being a citizen.
 
Curiously, I didn't mention residency status. just citizenship and nationality.
I think any resident keeps its nationality and citizenship of the country they come from.
 
There are non-citizen US nationals, too
 
The US just makes it harder on itself.
 
For example, someone born in American Samoa is a U.S. National, but not a citizen.
I agree; it's impossible.
 
4:34 AM
@CodyGray Oh yeah, saw some CGP Grey video about that.
 
There's a Wikipedia
The fact that you need this giant Wikipedia article to give a non-scholarly, non-legalistic explanation is itself evidence of the absurdity.
 
I'm a firm believer that all that BS could be solved with a national id document, issued to any resident, citizen and national. Then have a field where it says legal status.
We implemented something like that here. My national id document is issued to migrants, but in the back it says that they can't vote and also in the front it says their nationality.
 
Oohhh. The US will never go for national IDs.
Too many privacy concerns.
 
We have a national institution that is "independent" that deals with the civil registry (births, deaths, marriages, etc.) and all the election process.
They have fancy judges and everything.
@CodyGray Yeah, that's bs.
If privacy was a concern, then they wouldn't get any kind of documentation at all.
 
National IDs have been resisted since the 18th century in the US. For some reason.
It's now some kind of cultural identity that we don't have them.
 
4:41 AM
Culture are funny things, because they are fluid and malleable yet difficult to change.
 
They don't change all at once, they only change slowly and gradually
 
If I was the plan architect, I would start by a constitutional amendment that the state should warranties identity for all US citizens.
Since the US doesn't even have that in their constitution.
 
Heh. And then you would immediately fail. It's not trivial to get constitutional amendments passed.
 
@CodyGray Hey, last one took 20 years and was passed recently.
Also, a plan architect has to be patient.
 
It took longer than 20 years. The last amendment (#27) was proposed in 1789, but not ratified until 1992.
It took over 202 years to get that one passed.
 
4:47 AM
Can I say I was off by one? One order of magnitude?
 
After being originally proposed in 1789, it was "rediscovered" by a student at my alma mater, who made it his personal mission to get it ratified.
 
Yeah, I saw the video about that one.
 
Previous one, #26, took less than a year to be ratified.
 
Hey, only 2 took more than 200 years, and 3 more than 100. The rest went pretty fast.
 
The first 10 don't count, of course
They were basically done at the same time as the rest of the document
 
4:51 AM
There's an issue that I have with the US constitution: it's treated like a legal document, but it's not structured like one.
 
Why do you say it's not structured like one?
 
Too many ambiguities.
 
As if legal documents don't have ambiguities? If they didn't, we wouldn't need a court system (or a Meta site) :-)
 
Obviously, it could be an anachronism where I'm evaluating it from the perspective of the troubles it caused. But my country, which was written 100 years later, was very rooted on legal definitions.
@CodyGray Yeah, but the conceptual framework was messy.
It got into details in weird places and then vaguely described other things.
(I'm looking for a non-paywalled version of our first constitution)
(and failed)
 
5:09 AM
@AdrianMole the worst is when they flag the comments as having been edited into the question in parallel...mod comment flag queue is generally faster than the suggested edits queue, so it's impossible to verify.
I do concur that the US Constitution isn't structured like a (modern) legal document, but it's also not really treated like one. Courts would be pretty unimpressed with a law or contract that vague.
 
5:30 AM
@RyanM Not "impossible". Mods can see pending suggested edits associated with any post. Just, far more effort than any mod is going to do when evaluating comment flags.
The authors of the constitution were like me: they knew it was folly to try to write an exhaustive document that covered everything, so they went with a "living" document that strived to convey the big picture, leaving the details to be figured out later, animated by the understanding of the big picture and the primary goals.
 
Unfortunately the "big picture" approach led to all the problems with the interpretation of the document, especially the second amendment.
 
Yeah. Call me crazy, but I don't see the interpretational problems with the second amendment. Are you part of a militia, much less a "well-regulated" one? If not, you need not apply. Thanks for playing.
 
@CodyGray and yet a large proportion of the population seems to think they are...
 
It boggles my mind.
Putting aside whether each individual should have the right to own guns, the second amendment literally doesn't guarantee that, based simply on the text. And it's the textualists/literalists/strict constructionists who are so adamant about this.
 
Absolutely - the should question is something entirely separate - it's how the 2nd amendment can be interpreted to mean that that is indeed mind-boggling. Then again, there were 74m people who voted for Trump...
At which point I should probably shut up.
 
5:42 AM
Hah, well, not for my benefit.
Does Australia not have its own version of Trump? The UK has tried its best to copy the worst of US politics.
 
We don't have any madly populist pollies - at least, not that are taken as seriously as Trump is. Probably our closest now is Pauline Hanson, but the best from the past would have to be Joh Bjelke-Petersen
 
@Nick at last we get the Aussie discussing politics :) I'll be reading the transcript later
 
That's something you've been anxiously waiting for?
 
@CodyGray lol :) I admit I was curious.
 
@bad_coder we try to stay away from politics unless we've been drinking heavily. That's when we also bring up religion, money, sex etc. :)
I'm actually in the middle of doing my business accounts which seems to have about the same effect on my brain :-P
 
5:56 AM
@Nick I pictured you having martinis in the SPA as you were writing :)
 
@bad_coder that'll be later tonight :)
 
Just watched a Pauline Hanson vid, now I'm trying to understand what Bjelke-Petersen is saying :)
 
@bad_coder that's ok, so are the rest of us! :)
 
Was it the video where she, according to Wikipedia, "[described] people who lived in Melbourne public housing as drug addicts who couldn't speak English"?
 
@CodyGray if you had to vote for a politician because he grew a given vegetable or dry fruit, what produce would you vote for?
 
6:05 AM
There's good money in those. People would eat them.
Peanut-growing politicians were popular. Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer.
 
@CodyGray that was one of her more polite rants...
 
@CodyGray the amazing things I learn on SOCVR and you folks say it doesn't pay-off to talk about politics here, Jimmy Carter Peanut statue
 
@bad_coder ... and that was one of the more polite things people called him. Although the Queenslanders loved him
 
@Nick now let me google Queensland (isn't the whole commonwealth called Queensland - lol ?!)
 
@bad_coder :) Queensland is our Texas
 
6:09 AM
@bad_coder I've never claimed that it doesn't pay to talk about politics.
You might also be interested in the Peachoid.
@Nick Hey now!
What's funny is, Texas fits neatly into Queensland, yet Texas's population is larger than Queensland's. And most parts of Texas are quite sparsely populated compared with other US states.
Still, I'd say Queensland is more like Florida than Texas.
 
@CodyGray I can say the Peachoid was today's cherry on top of cake :D hahaha
 
Looking at the picture, and imagining seeing it from the side without the leaf, you will know why it is called "The Moon over Gaffney".
Speaking of new things we learned, I just learned about Texas, Queensland.
 
@CodyGray The southeast is definitely Florida, up as far as the Sunshine Coast. Everything else is very much Texas
@CodyGray that's very cool. Almost as cool as the big banana
 
@Nick Are you just referring to the weather then?
 
@CodyGray no, SE Queensland is full of retirees who've moved north from the colder states. The rest of it is full of cowboys
(no offence to cowboys)
 
6:19 AM
We call them "rednecks".
 
that's the one :)
 
@CodyGray I meant for the mere mortals tasked with reviewing the suggested edit after the comments are gone, for whom it is in fact impossible.
 
@CodyGray big LOL for "the Moon over Gaffney" that's really amusing :)
@CodyGray "As of 2013 Texas is serviced by two petrol stations."
@Nick I'll go for the "-oid" suffix. Any word ending in "-oid" is funny - ask any speaker of latin based languages.
 
@RyanM Oh, I see. Sorry, I interpreted your comment as yet another of the ever-so-common side-swipes at mods. :-)
 
I don't think haemorrhoid is! :)
But "the moon over Gaffney" definitely is. Still, we do have that old saying, "is that a banana in your pocket..."
 
6:26 AM
@Nick agreed, exception to the rule. They used the suffix in an atempt to lessen the situation :)
@Nick another word ending in "-oid" comes to mind...
 
As a bonus, "-oid" sounds like "orb".
 
@bad_coder you can make a joke out of it... what do you get from sitting on icebergs?
...polaroids
@bad_coder android? I suppose that's a joke in Cupertino...
 
@Nick ok, that was brilliant!! You take the prize on that one.
@RyanM what's the relation between an android and an hemorrhoid? Both are a pain...
 
6:45 AM
and I'm off o/
 
for lunch at a nice bodega?
 
Who eats lunch in the middle of the night?
 
@Nick no, breakfast with the family in a few minutes.
 
ah, I'm a bit ahead of myself
just starting to think about dinner myself... and that martini...
 
@Nick treat yourself right, good night to everyone past UTC+0
 
6:55 AM
o/
 
 
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8:05 AM
o/
 
@CodyGray I'm not usually side-swiping moderators, although I suppose I was complaining about a declined flag earlier, so I can't blame you :-)
 
@RyanM That's true, you prefer the front swipe :-)
 
also true.
@CodyGray ...I'm sure I've done it.
 
I would say that is not lunch, by definition.
 
What if you're somewhat nocturnal? Are all your meals midnight snacks? And I ask this with the "you" being not exactly hypothetical for either of us... :-)
 
8:11 AM
I eat dinner with the rest of the world, even though for me it's shortly after waking up.
 
9:33 AM
Once again, closing non-English questions as "Needs details or clarity" is patently silly. It results in a poor experience for the asker, because if they don't know that Stack Overflow is English-only, they won't understand what's wrong with their question. And they obviously don't know that, since they just posted a question not written in English.
 
Hypothesis, they do know that but they're desperate to get an answer so they try anyways
Has anyone said why they posted a non-English question on SO?
(also, would it be worth including explicitly the site is English-only in the help center?)
 
9:53 AM
@JohnDvorak That doesn't explain why they don't just run it through Google Translate and post some unintelligible gibberish.
 
Maybe they run the whole site through Google Translate and don't realize that it doesn't work both ways?
 
@JohnDvorak Yes, people have told me that they didn't know. They said they saw that most of the other questions were in English, but they didn't know that they were required to be. They thought that they could just post whatever, and if other people didn't know how to read it, they could just ignore it.
(I hear this, "you could just ignore it" as a justification for off-topic questions a lot.)
@JohnDvorak Ah, yes, the "most of our users asking programming questions are completely new to the Internet and computers in general" hypothesis. :-)
 
I mean, Google Translate could attempt to translate their posts when they post to a site they browse through it. And it might even be a good idea for Google to do it... might have been if the translation wasn't so bad.
 
Yes, all sorts of things could happen. My argument would be that it doesn't happen, nowhere that I've seen.
 
Now, if they did run their questions through Google Translate ... we'd still close them as unclear, most likely.
 
10:01 AM
Sure, and that'd be reasonable.
I have no idea if these non-English questions are clear or not, though. Do you?
I don't speak Portuguese. I suspect the close-voters don't, either.
 
They're definitely unclear to any potential answerer
 
 
1 hour later…
11:34 AM
If you have a girlfriend, but you are not together, do you actually have a girlfriend?
 
You have to agree that it was the most important information in that question though
 
It's important to include background information, in order to provide context.
 
11:53 AM
 
12:12 PM
Is this question okay or does it need more focus (details or clarity)? I'm not sure since it received 2 upvotes and an answer.
 
looks like an assignment dump to me (So too broad IMO)
 
What details does it need? They describe what they want to do pretty clearly, as far as I can see.
 
Thanks, that was also my initial thought
@CodyGray It's not clear to me at least what the problem is. It's not even asking a question. They just want someone else to implement that in JS?
 
It looks like a "how to" question to me. It might be unclear; I can't tell. All webby stuff is unclear to me.
 
Everyone looking for a tree graph in html could land on that and find it useful, no? :)
 
Why do they call it a tree, when it looks more like a tree upside down? I mean it looks like a root system.
 
Isn't it still a tree, even if it's upside down?
 
I suppose.. but then it'll be a dead tree :(
 
but wait, it gets worse. "Family trees" are still called family trees, even though they are bounded-indegree directed acyclic graphs and not trees
 
What if you're doing your own and you're not certain of the paternity on several of the nodes?
I suppose it's still bounded-indegree.. just not to two
 
12:29 PM
@bad_coder Someone should tell the asker...
 
@CodyGray I left him a link to a working example :)
 
I still don't see where anyone clearly explains how/why it is a typo.
 
Is "Is works using kaggle notebook" an Answer? reference
 
Theoretically, but that isn't an answer.
 
Ahh.. I was all about stripping away everything that was about thanks™ and why..
 
12:39 PM
@Scratte That "answer" contains 4 bits of information: (1) They had the same problem. (2) They solved it using the method provided by Wojciech Moszczyński's answer. (3) But they still have the problem using Kaggle Notebook. (4) Even though it works in Google Collaborator.
Aside from the fact that several of those pieces of information seem mutually contradictory, I don't see anything in there that provides an answer.
 
@CodyGray Good point, duplicate then (typo in the broad sense of putting a function in the wrong place.)
 
@CodyGray Ahh.. yes. I has a copy'n'paste malfunction. I meant "Is works using Google Collaborator" :(
 
The question is about Jupyter, so I don't really see what Kaggle Notebook or Google Collaborator have to do with anything. Are either of those Jupyter?
 
@bad_coder They don't understand where to put it. That's why they're asking "How should I write this part then?". I don't know about python, so I can't tell them.
@CodyGray No idea. Which is why I asked.
 
12:44 PM
I don't think there's any useful information in that post.
Someone could theoretically write an answer saying, "It doesn't work/isn't supported in what you're using, but it does work in xx." Unfortunately, that answer ain't that.
 
I did leave a comment, so I was fairly certain that it wasn't answering anything, but rather asking something. I'm not disputing your "This is useless" :)
 
Oh, you only leave comments when you're certain?
 
Afraid of a declined comment
 
No.. I have a scale of certainty, and I leave them when they're above a certain threshold :) I will remove them if I'm told that I was wrong.
@JeanneDark I call those "Removed by moderator" ;)
 
Let's keep @Scratte busy for a while...
You were wrong once. Better find and remove that comment!
 
12:49 PM
"a moderator reviewed your comment, but found no evidence to support it "
 
@JeanneDark ALL THE TIME!
 
@CodyGray I know you are much brighter than that ;)
 
Late in the night Scratte hears chains rattling in the attic. It's that one deleted comment come back to haunt him.
 
I imagine it being more of a "Tell-Tale Heart" situation.
 
I have a neighbor that goes to the attic to fetch stuff fairly often. That also includes in the middle of the night. I've wondered if I should leave a "comment" to the attic door, but I expect it would just be removed :D
 
12:58 PM
Do you have a joint attic? Or do you just live on the top floor of a complex?
 
Close the attic and block attempts to reopen it
 
@Scratte removed by a moderator, I bet!
 
Flag a moderator building supervisor, and ask them to lock the post door. Avoid leaving noisy comments.
 
@AndrasDeak I live on the top floor and the attic is divided into spaces of small storage rooms. All of those are directly above my flat. Since it's an old building I can hear a mouse sneeze up there. For someone to go and move about their stuff to get to other stuff is not unheard in my flat, so I always find it quite funny when it happens in the middle of the night :)
 
Ah, yeah. Fortunately we use cellars for the same purpose in our complex
 
1:03 PM
@CodyGray It's already locked. Everyone just has a key.
 
If your mice keep sneezing, you should suspect a mycoplasma infection. You can administer tetracycline (an antibiotic, pretty readily available at pet stores).
In addition to sneezing, mice suffering from respiratory infections often make "clicking" sounds, which is referred to as "chattering".
 
@CodyGray Not in Denmark.. there's noway to get any antibiotic unless one's a farmer and then they almost give it to you for free in buckets.
 
You might have to take your attic mice friends to a vet, then
 
@CodyGray I'm not sure it's not just pollen allergies.
 
1:12 PM
Yes, of course :) But then there's no taking it to the vet unless it's almost dying, and as far as I understand, any rodent that's ill here is killed along with any of it's friends, relatives, neighbor and others they met in passing.. though minks aren't really rodents, as Adrian already told me ;)
 
Hmm, yeah, that might not end well.
 
Especially if you yourself are a squirrel ;)
 
Haha, oops.
 
Exactly! :) I have been sneezing too. And come to think of it, I may even be "cured" of covid. But it's hard to tell. It may just have been the flu.
 
Have you lost your sense of smell?
As my fellow country-persons die by the hundreds of thousands, a not-insignificant number of them continue to insist that COVID-19 is "the same" as the flu.
 
1:18 PM
@CodyGray "Seems to be working" is getting me a "Blocked autofocusing on a <input> element in a cross-origin subframe."
 
@Scratte If you need help debugging your code, please post an MCVE... It works on my machine. :-)
 
@CodyGray Doesn't it come back after it's gone? :)
@CodyGray It could be an opera feature. Yes.. it seems to open in Edge. Which makes me think it's less secure now.
 
If a page was active on Oct 26, 2020, is that fresh enough to ask for a close vote here?
 
@mickmackusa The rule is it has to have had activity in the last 6 months, as I understand, so that's definitely eligible.
 
@mickmackusa Yes, activity in the last 6 months
 
1:21 PM
@mickmackusa yes, that is within 6 months, right?
 
Always tricky with these alternative calendars around the world
 
Not to mention the time dilation
 
true
 
@CodyGray That could just be a result of some having had it felt like the way they feel when they had a flu, no?
 
1:25 PM
No, it's the result of a persistent belief that the economy is more important than human life, and that we should not do anything that will disrupt the economy, including lockdowns. As evidence, it is cited that "lots" of people die each year of the flu, yet we do not shut down the economy for this reason.
 
@CodyGray: they haven't looked at the death-rate statistics in detail, or if they have, they don't really understand them. The current situation is perhaps similar to the flu, the 1918 flu
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Indeed; that was precisely my rejoinder. You could almost hear the "zoom" sound.
 
and in that pandemic, it was the 2nd wave, the one that struck the rural regions, that caused the worse destruction
 
I feeling increasingly bad for the rest of the world not having this covid beast under control like Australia does. We are very successful due to many factors (several which are a matter of "luck"), but the truth is the govt cares about its people and with social healthcare it makes sense to care about each other. I cannot say the same for my country of origin.
 
Also in that pandemic, San Francisco almost entirely escaped the devastation because it shut down.
 
1:27 PM
I do not see how covid changes that. It's always been finances that runs policy, no? As long as people can work, other people that do not have to mingle, making lots of money off that work, is not going to want anything to change.
 
Is SOCVR on teams? Like charcoal
 
@Scratte: crises drive much policy since change often doesn't occur until a crisis forces it to
 
Even here, the 1st wave made policy about mingling. But it's been too long now, and all kinds of projects are being started after a pause, in the middle of the 2nd wave.
 
@Yatin nope, we don't have the budget.
 
1:30 PM
Yes, that's the issue. Because we did not do enough during the first wave, fatigue has set in by the time the second wave has arrived, and people want to stop doing even the feeble things that we have been doing.
 
@rene Budget? You need to pay for it?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels That only really work past tense. Humans despite their so called intelligence seem to not want change until it's real for them, right now. Not in a week or in a month.
 
Takes many pounds of MiracleGro
 
@Yatin Yes, it pays per seat.
 
@Scratte exactly
 
1:31 PM
@rene Oh... I wonder who pays for charcoal's team
 
SE does
 
Ah makes sense
 
they are special
 
Are they beta tester or something?
Early canary?
 
yeah, so is SOBotics IIRC
 
1:32 PM
Why would SOCVR need a private Team? Anything that would be discussed there can/should be discussed on Meta.
 
Is this question on-topic? It puzzles me somewhat.
 
@CodyGray Nah just curious. I was thinking the answer will be no.
 
and how much does it cost to create a Team?
 
If you have to ask, you can't afford it?
 
(if you have to ask, you can't afford it)
LOL
exactly
I was typing the same time as you were
 
1:33 PM
haha
 
@CodyGray it might have some value to have internal RO stuff / policies documented but we don't have much on that and slack works good enough for our purpose.
 
@JeanneDark I was prepared to make a snarky comment along the lines of "Jeanne Dark finds this puzzling" is not a close reason. But... yeah, that's quite puzzling.
 
@CodyGray Maybe it should be ;)
 
@rene You could probably get that... There was a promo running for some time that gave you 25 seats for free on a Team. There aren't more than 25 ROs at a time.
 
Didn't they remove the name of the close voters from the message?
 
1:35 PM
@Braiam As displayed to people without close-vote privileges, yes.
 
@CodyGray yeah, I have the free promo for my own shop. It didn't come up in the RO team so I didn't bother to create one for that purpose.
 
@CodyGray Message says post author also.
 
@rene florists?
 
:D
 
What's a scrum like for flowers, anyway? Is that just like the growing season?
@Braiam They might have forgotten to update the message... The names should now be hidden from post authors, unless they have close-vote privileges themselves.
 
1:39 PM
Oh, the feature makes sense now? Weird!
 
"Only you can prevent florist friars"
 
Now, a post of mine that someone can close where I don't have close votes privileges... FOR SCIENCE!
 
it's easier to just suspend you on SO
 
Eh, that introduces many more variables compared to what we want to test.
 
still worth a shot..... :P
 
1:47 PM
@AndrasDeak I don't actually know if that would do it.
I don't know what the system makes of your privilege level when you're suspended. Would it use your earned privileges, or your current privilege level?
 
@CodyGray isn't the point of setting rep to 1 to strip you of all privileges?
 
Yes, but would that count for the purposes of displaying post notices?
I guess it would, I just don't know for sure.
 
Anything that depends on earned privileges is buggy. Change my mind.
 
Can't a moderator suspend themself? And unsuspend themself?
 
at least for the latter I'd assume the answer is no
why?
Actually, IIRC, they'd need to be demodded first
 
1:59 PM
Perhaps it was just review un-suspend then. I just remember someone saying that.
For testing of post notices. But I see an issue if they cannot un-suspend themself ;)
 
Yes... a mod can both suspend and unsuspend themselves.
 
Then at 1 reputation point with moderator privileges, it's quite easy to see if it's the reputation count or the privilege level that determines if one can see the list of users on the close post banner. Though.. it may not be a scenario that anyone would be willing to try out.
 
As Braiam said, all that does is introduce even more confounding variables. Now you've got a user marked as having mod privileges.
 
2:36 PM
^ What is that strange reason? :)
 
@Dharman Do you particularly not want to close this page with "Can I mix MySQL APIs in PHP?"?
 
I doubt that was the actual problem. I really doubt that this is even the real code. They probably showed wrong piece of code
 
@Dharman Do you mind if I hammer it? You barked once (a while back) before when I hammered, but you wanted another close reason.
 
@mickmackusa The point is that if you close as a duplicate then we will have to remember to vote to delete in 2 days.
Just add a link as a comment. We don't need such duplicate anyway
 
Doesn't the duplicate target Roomba? And then the closed post as well?
 
2:41 PM
@Scratte No, unless it is negatively scoring and has no answers
 
@Dharman but Needing Debugging Details will get purged even if there are answers? Seems like an odd rule.
 
I didn't make the rules.
 
@Dharman Maybe I'm looking at the wrong ones, but the "Same as before" can be closed with the other as the target. None of those have Answers.
 
@Scratte if you don't mind me asking, do you speak any latin based language to some degree?
 
@bad_coder Like English?
 
2:45 PM
@Scratte :)
 
@Scratte It should be closed. Whether as a duplicate or with the same reason as the other one doensn't matter. It's repost.
 
@Scratte lol :) no like the languages spoken around southern European countries...
 
@bad_coder No. I understand a little French, if that counts as "southern European". I don't speak it unless to say "je ne parle pas français"
 
@Dharman I don't read this one as asking for an off-site resource.
 
@Scratte it counts as latin based. So hearing Portuguese, Spanish, Italian is unintelligible to you? What a pity, it's a beautiful language family :(
 
2:48 PM
I know, but it was unclear. I made an assumption that they were asking for a recommendation. Cody closed as unclear which is even better
 
@bad_coder No. I'm afraid all those languages are undecipherable to me.
 
@Scratte ok, I say this because you shared 2 Danish songs and I was shocked at how hard it was for me to relate to them (and I'm actually fluent in some languages of that family.)
 
@Dharman It was also unclear to me why you classified it as a recommendation question. It didn't look like they were asking for someone to recommend a framework.
 
Hmm, what were they asking for then?
 
@Dharman I read it as asking for confirmation about how to express the stack that they are working with. Unfortunately, I am not smart enough to know if they are asking an opinion-based question.
 
2:52 PM
It's a terminology question, basically. "[M]y question is how do you determine the 'stack' your application uses? In this case would mine be: UFN ? (Ubuntu, Firestore, Nuxt)"
So perhaps opinion-based, but mostly unclear.
 
Ohh ok
 
@bad_coder Ahh. Perhaps Swedish is more easy as in Lisa Ekdahl - Vem vet or a mix of Danish and Swedish in Johnny Deluxe Ft. Anna Nordell - Drømmer du om Mig
 

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