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12:00 AM
... and my avatar ... and my reputation.
 
I fixed it now
If you want something to be done right, you have to do it yourself
Which for me defeats the purpose of having 2 separate reviews. If I know it needs an edit then let me edit.
 
@Dharman Lots of users in that queue only have 500 reputation points. They can't see each others edits.
Also, there's not enough room in the Suggested edits queue for all those edits that would come in from the queue, if one was meant to edit in it.
 
Yeah, but they could give me the Edit button
 
@Dharman I think the idea behind Triage was to allow users without edit privileges to quickly recommend that somebody else does that. If they "Edit" from FP, it just pops it into the Suggested Edits queue.
@Dharman You have it! Just not in the queue. Open in a new tab, do your edit, go back to the queue, refresh, then "Looks OK!"
 
@Dharman You can still edit the post no? You just have to open it up in another tab and deprive @AdrianMole the chance of getting a review in the Help & Improvement queue ;)
 
12:06 AM
Stop with the pings, please
 
Pongs it is then!
 
If you don't want pings pick "none"
 
@Scratte that is a user script... not vanilla chat
 
oh that's very useful...especially for chat.SE, where the sound is...startling
@Yatin shows up for me in a private window
 
@Yatin It is not a user script. I bet you have one that makes it different than vanilla chat :D
 
12:10 AM
@RyanM sounds like a hard spring is being hit on a harder surface.
 
It's ok to ping me to bring me to the conversation but not when I already am part of the conversation and I get 20 pings in 5 minutes
 
@Scratte Makyen gave this to me. I can change SE's ping sound to SO's ping sound.
 
There's a user script to get custom sounds as well. But mine isn't active.
 
Is there a userscript that can change the ping sound to a pig sound?
 
@Yatin I bet the one is that user script I just linked :)
 
12:12 AM
Oink
 
@Scratte yep
 
@Dharman Can we mention you again, if we find one?
 
You can, but I am going to bed
 
Dharman: This is the problem: In order to reply to a message of yours, one has to ping you. Else, it gets confusing as to what conversation a message belongs to. And everyone will have their own preferences. So basically, if you don't like the pings, just turn off the sound. You'll still get a little green number thingy and one doesn't need to keep notes of other user's preferences.
 
12:29 AM
Are mods limited in how many daily comment upvotes they can make? I believe they have only the normal quota of post up/down votes.
 
There is a limit to one's comment upvotes?
 
^ 40, IIRC.
 
Interesting. I don't think I've ever hit it.
 
... I know I have exceeded whatever the limit is when I've been busy with Natty in SO Biotoxics.
 
SO Biotoxics?!? :D
 
12:39 AM
øl ເບຍອີກ Indeed :p
 
@AdrianMole We get the same number of up/down votes normal users do
 
I knew that. But are mods even allowed to upvote comments?
 
@AdrianMole Why not?
 
... there must be some downside, as per Mr Newton's Laws.
 
Voting isn't moderation, is content rating ;)
 
12:42 AM
I thought moderators could only delete comments ;)
 
Anybody here that knows stuff about R? I need a quick set-up on Windows to review some code. (Just need to be able to use it, but if there's an easy way to edit/fiddle, that's a bonus.) VS-2019 dropped support for R (VS-2017 had it in-built).
 
@AdrianMole Isn't there a online R editor? Otherwise, you can't go wrong with Rstudio.
 
@Braiam RStudio was the main hit on a search. I'll accept your approval and go with that! Thanks. (But part of my review will be that the authors need to include such instructions in their manuscript: it's a tool for scientists, who are notoriously bad at working out how to do things for themselves!)
 
1:11 AM
@AdrianMole If they said "We used R" is good enough for me :)
Rstudio is more like an IDE for R.
You can use R on windows without it... but the interface is not pretty
 
@AStopher Not really a migration thing FYI. Would get closed anywhere. Direct people like that to the Contact Us form
 
@Braiam Hmm. If somebody is publishing a software tool in a peer-reviewed scientific (not programming) journal then, IMO, they need to outline the basic platform requirements and/or installation instructions to enable their readers to use that tool. I understand that R has become a very common platform for data analysis, but a brief "How to get started" should be part of any first publication.
 
@Machavity I had a problem with downvote abuse before, the consensus was to bring it to Meta for community analysis before asking staff to step in (because their time is precious). Would apply in this situation too.
 
@AStopher Downvote abuse is mod flaggable. In this case, they were claiming mod abuse
 
About that captcha bypass "question" (that was really spam)... I'm surprised Google would allow it on the Chrome Web Store. Doesn't Google vet the plugins first?
 
1:18 AM
@AStopher Google doesn't have a great record on their Play store either
 
... in fact, they include an R script (source code) for their case study, but it begins with library(pedro) (where "pedro" is the name of their tool) followed by library(helga) (seemingly a required 3rd-party support library). No instruction on how to get/use those.
 
@Machavity Good point
 
@AdrianMole Eh, there are enough resources about that. I expect the authors to include the exact code so I can just R paper.R
 
@Braiam Indeed. I emailed an editor and he will ask the authors to provide me their source code. As it stands, I have no way to even try to test their tool.
 
OHHH, now that's different.
 
1:23 AM
@Braiam From my understanding of R (basic, at best), you can't just distribute/link a binary executable that can be installed and run on any machine.
 
@AdrianMole I was thinking that they used the standard libraries available in CRAN.
Not that they developed their own tool, which is iffy at best, if the paper isn't about the tool.
 
Anyway ... thanks for your help (very valuable). It looks like a useful tool but I'm now drifting towards a lukewarm review (especially as their case-study is based on ... you guessed it: COVID-19).
As you said, the paper.R file should be included as "supplemental material" - it is, after all, an online journal.
 
@AdrianMole If it's a new tool, maybe journal.r-project.org would be better?
 
1:38 AM
@Braiam The journal to which it is submitted is fine (though it's my first review for that). I doubt it has anything revolutionary in terms of the programming language per se ... but it appears to be an original, useful creation. Applied programming; subject-specific (molecular biology).
 
Ah well, if it's a implementation of a model to process data, you need to verify that the implementation is congruent with the model. Throw it some garbage data and see how it responds (unless the model allows for garbagio)
 
Yeah - which is what I want to do ... but I can't do that without the **** software!
... it's a tool to pull stuff from a 'standard' database.
Anyway, bed-time in blighty. I'll await the outcome of the editor's response to the authors. Thanks again for the tips!
 
@AStopher having a bit of trouble finding it, but if there's some sort of abusive content on the Chrome webstore, I'd (unofficially, in my personal capacity) be interested in a link
 
1:58 AM
Not sure why. Find this question sort of amusing (stackoverflow.com/questions/64655614/…), especially for the deleted answer (10k+ users)
 
I am trying to get used to contributing to triage. I got this question... what would be the correct option to select?
 
@RyanM oh never mind, I found it, I opened the wrong history page. I'm smart. I'm unsure if that violates policy or not; I'm not sufficiently familiar with the relevant policy to judge that.
 
^^ the code & error need to be pasted into the question itself... other than that it looks ok to me... so should I flag it as needs details and clarity?
 
though for SO purposes, I'd agree it's spam. sent it to Smokey.
 
@RyanM spam/ abusive?
 
2:07 AM
@Yatin sorry, to be clear: that was not a reply to you
it was referring to the question Smokey just reported
 
I know... I was asking about smokey's report
 
ah, yeah, for that I'd say it's spam: it's not a question, it's just promoting their thing
 
ok
 
for yours, I'd say it Needs Debugging Details, because it only has the reproduction code as an image
 
@RyanM thank you :)
 
2:27 AM
Hello
 
Hello
 
Hello Sam. Taking time off from filling up the reopen queue?
@Yatin Pretty much anything with code posted as an image will properly wear "Needs details or clarity."
 
@AdrianMole oh.. thank you :D
 
... you can add a comment if you want to.
 
I'm happy that a moderator took notice of me :D
 
2:34 AM
Is this NAA? I can't really make sense of what they are trying to say...
 
@Yatin Me neither
 
@Spectric well you can always get the attention of a mod by doing some nasty stuff ;D
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Agreed.
 
@Spectric when you are trying to reply to a certain message, hover your mouse over that message and click on the downward arrow that appears then click on "reply to this message"
 
@Spectric He's ignoring me ... but that's probably a good thing! :-)
 
2:47 AM
@Yatin Thanks!
@AdrianMole Definitely :)
HFOE has very high expectations. If he doesn't criticize you, that's a sure sign a) he doesn't care, or b) it's ok.
 
HFOE? oh username
 
HFOE isn't a moderator. But would no doubt be a very good one if they wanted.
@Yatin Aeroglisseur plein des anguilles.
 
@Yatin lol
Considering how active he is, he could probably take on half of the questions from at once
 
@AdrianMole xD
 
3:16 AM
Can a C# SME explain why this is a duplicate of this target? It seems like it should be the other way around: both are the same age, and the dupe has 50% more views than the target, and about 3-4 times as many up-votes on the questions, and answers. As far as I can tell, the top few answers in both posts are of similar quality, and cover the same ground. What am I missing here?
 
@cigien The closed question was posted ~2 years after the dupe target.
... and I worked that out with being a C# SME!
 
~6.5k helpful flags.
And I thought 40 was pretty neat!
 
The target question is better written, has a code section
 
@AdrianMole Hmm, they were posted in Jan and Feb 2012, right? Now I'm confused :(
 
@AdrianMole Aren't they just one month apart?
 
3:26 AM
The problem is that the post @cigien linked in here isn't the one that is given in the close banner of the closed question.
This is the link given in the close banner but this is the one posted in here.
 
Triplets?
 
@AdrianMole Oh, you're absolutely right. That's even stranger, that target has much fewer views, and way fewer votes. Is date of posting that relevant?
 
Date/age isn't always relevant but it obviously counts in terms of folks finding stuff.
@Vega We need more triplicate hammers.
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Sorry for the confusion. I'll ask the question again.
 
@cigien We'll just close it as a duplicate.
 
3:33 AM
Follow up to this message: Can a C# SME take a look at this, this and this? They all seem to be duplicates of each other, but I'm not sure which should be the target.
@AdrianMole Yes, but of which target? There might be some C# thing I'm missing :p
 
But the fact that a question closed as a dupe has a high view count (even higher than the target) is not in itself a problem, IMHO. In fact, it's a very good example of why not all closed question should be deleted; in this case, it's clearly a good signpost.
 
@Vega Yes, that's true. Maybe that's a factor.
@AdrianMole So all the signposts should lead to the best answer right? Ignoring view counts, age, etc.
 
Not sure whether the view count is incremented when a non-logged in user goes to the target via the closed dupe.
In an ideal world, there would be no answer on the duplicate. :)
 
@AdrianMole Wait, I didn't say anything about deleting. I just want to get the target right.
 
I wasn't accusing you of wanting deletion ... it was a more general remark/observation.
 
3:39 AM
@AdrianMole Ah, I see :) Yes, definitely don't want to delete any of those.
Here's a dupe with 2 of those posts in the target list :p Maybe they're actually different in some subtle way, though I can't see it. I'm inclined to wait for an SME to weigh in before cv-plsing any of them.
@AdrianMole Ken already posted that request here.
 
Sorry - missed it.
 
I think you get 2 minutes to trash your own requests, or messages, for that matter.
 
 
2 hours later…
@AmitJoshi Why should that be deleted? It seems to have useful answers explaining how to do it, including one that's not just a library recommendation.
I know I'm a broken record, but with these ^ (literally just one-character typos) sorts of completely useless questions not deleted, why delete ones with useful answers?
 
@RyanM I agree with you that the question Amit linked shouldn't be deleted. It isn't a bad question/common dupe/attracting VLQ/spam answers/off-topic... Just too broad..
 
if y'all need more posts with no redeeming value to throw delete votes at, I've got piles
 
 
IMO, none of the answers is useful.
All of them are missing extremely important part -- How to add DICOM elements to image while conversion? Without which, it is not valid DICOM image at all. Now, it is Too Broad to explain this in an answer; that is why the question is closed correctly.
One of the answer makes the minor mention to this; not that much helpful, no code either.
Accepted answer is converting to JPG, not DICOM; well, OP still accepted it.
One answer is _almost_ link only.
 
Hmmm, you're right, the accepted answer makes no sense. I'm quite puzzled that it has four upvotes. The others seem somewhat more useful, at least recommending tools that can do it.
 
Can the question be edited to be somewhat less broad? Deletion seems too harsh
 
6:59 AM
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o/
 
7:15 AM
This is NAA, isn't it? It looks like a follow-up question and the code also doesn't seem to try to answer the OP (they thank the other answerer) especially since they change the cells to copy but the question was specifically about those very cells.
 
7:26 AM
Post is gone so my above question was answered in the affirmative
 
@JeanneDark yeah, @bhargav deleted it while I was looking at it...
 
8:17 AM
If someone posts two NAAs (seem to be a new question) to an old question, flag both as NAA or custom flag one and link to the other? (this question)
 
@JeanneDark NAA quicker since it does not need mods (but be careful they have code so review que can play tricks on you... maybe leave a comment to help reviewers). Custom flag takes more time but you can explain the problem and mods are safer then review queue... Pick as you please
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Thanks!
 
Yeah, I'd go with two NAA there also. The two posts are different, and afaik there is not a prohibition on posting two answers to the same question.
 
I probably go with custom flag since they have code.. you need to read comments under one of them to understand that they are not attempt to answer... a good explain in custom flags does the trick, if you flag NAA you better leave a comment under.
 
The one answer is clearly NAA due to the comment but it also provides context for the other answer. Without it, it might not be clear the other one is also NAA.
 
8:26 AM
Yeah that's the problem, custom flag you can explain this... but with a nice comment under maybe also review queue will get it.
Anyway they got Ninja'd
 
Deleted while I was typing the custom flag reason
 
:) Yeah Martijn is on the move...
If you flag NAA now it will get deleted within 1 min...
i.stack.imgur.com/c9XbO.png ... well 2 min :D
 
Just came across an upvoted "me too" NAA...
 
Flag and start timer...
 
I mean... it is useful to know just how many people want an answer to something that you miiight be able to answer if you get yourself to research a little bit more :D
 
8:54 AM
@PetterFriberg Code-only answers can be flagged as NAA if there is no explanatory text. However, if there is a case where a NAA would not be clear on its own, I tend to add a comment and then flag. That saves pinging a mod.
 
@halfer Not sure what you mean with explanatory text... a code only answer is just fine as long as it actually is an attempt to answer.
 
@halfer Have you ever got a helpful flag from flagging a code-only Answer as NAA?
 
@halfer Ahhh... no. An NAA flag on an answer which is code only has a high chance of being declined (unless deleted from the review queue, then the reviewers have a high chance getting a review ban). The answer would have to be very obvious that the code is not even an attempt at an answer for it to be NAA. Code only answers are not inherently NAA nor VLQ. They might be low quality, but that's a matter for downvotes, not flags.
 
 
2 hours later…
10:53 AM
Typical Triage: 26 min ago Triage concluded "Looks ok", 20 min ago post was closed.
 
11:20 AM
@PetterFriberg Yet, "code-only" answers that are meant to be edits to other post should be deleted :D
They aren't answering the question.
 
well anything that is not attempting to answer the question should be delete... and if you have >20K rep you can delete what you judge correct to delete....
 
@PetterFriberg Why tho? There's a flag for those cases.
 
11:43 AM
Generally, "this is impossible" is not a close reason. It certainly doesn't make it opinion-based
 
12:05 PM
@Makyen My thinking above probably needed more explanation - I probably missed out some context to what I usually do. If I see a code-only answer and I have a rough understanding of how it is an answer, I'll either leave alone or downvote. But if there is no paragraph text and the post could as easily be a question or an answer, then I'll add a comment to the poster to explain what the issue is, and flag as NAA.
I am fairly sure I have had flags upheld on that basis, but perhaps my memory is failing me.
 
12:23 PM
Does this need a rollback?
 
@Scratte absolutely
 
@tripleee Thanks :) I noticed it since the summary seemed kind of short :)
 
Since only an accepted answer prevents it from Roomba'ing and that answer shows it's just based on a typo, you might consider a del request
 
@JeanneDark No. The upvote on the Question also keeps it from being Roomba'ed
 
Sorry, overlooked that.
 
12:27 PM
 
@JeanneDark I'm assuming one of the answerers probably upvoted it. But as you've noted, there's not a lot of use for this post for anyone else.
 
in a certain sense, the accepted answer is the only thing preventing Roomba, since the single upvote on the question would be counteracted by a single downvote, easily merited by the question being a simple typo. At any rate, since I agree it's not useful and it's been vandalized once...
Welp, I've been rate limited. I plead innocent.
Probably should take that as a helpful hint to go do something else
 
Already out of close votes?
 
No, out of requests I'm allowed to make from my IP...
Chat is, as usual, on a completely different system and thus exempt from problems affecting main site usage
ah, back in. Lovely. I should still do something else...
@Tomerikoo pending edit needs another reject vote
never mind, the OP approved it. headdesk
 
12:53 PM
lol
Here's another dup request:
 
Good morning :)
 
I think I know why there are so many pygame Questions here. I went to the manual and my head is hurting.
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1:10 PM
Edit on Github -> 404
 
@Braiam I meant: any answer not attempting to answer should be deleted (flag NAA) otherwise not, but if you have >20K (and answer -3) you can vote to delete any answer you don't like. Hence code only answer that are crap should be delete by >20K.
@SotiriosDelimanolis but but... that has an answer from Mr. Skeet... I don't dare to touch it...
 
@PetterFriberg haha, he's answered this same question before, not great at looking for duplicates
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis maybe he forgot he answered it before ...
inb4 Meta Post from Jon Skeet about his deleted answer ...
 
1:44 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis You might want to put this at the top of the target list though. The other answers aren't as good.
@SotiriosDelimanolis In fact, some of those other posts on the target list look like unneeded dupes as well. I'm not a Java SME, but I'm not sure that they're adding anything of value.
Is this general computing?
 
2:08 PM
@cigien Not a subject matter expert, but it sort of looks like programmer tools.
 
What do we think about this? stackoverflow.com/a/64593456/1839439
 
@cigien no, but arguably needs more focus
 
@Dharman The "abcd..." should be removed, but otherwise looks like an answer.
 
Which FROM is missing? Where?
Why was it not closed as a typo?
 
2:14 PM
@Scratte That last comment suggests that OP will need to do some programming to solve their problem.
@tripleee Agreed.
 
@Dharman The edit on the question also is questionable. They corrected the typo
Closable as typo
 
Nice! It's gone
 
I've just seen an Answer, that answers, but they put a actual tag: in their answer.. very strange
 
2:45 PM
@PetterFriberg Aren't code only answers that are meant as edits crap?
I really don't get it. Edits posted as answers should always be deleted, doesn't matter whenever it's a code only answer or otherwise.
 
3:04 PM
@Braiam but if they are intended as question edits, the content should also be put into the question by the delete voter if it hasn't already been done.
 
@TylerH Of course, but for some reason Petter seems to recommend to never flag code only answers.
 
I thought he just said 20k users should just vote to delete them instead
 
@Braiam What flag would you use? It's an answer, so NAA doesn't apply, and if you can read the code then it isn't gibberish and VLQ does not apply. Doesn't really leave any way to flag it
 
@NathanOliver Is an edit an answer?
Are you sure?
 
@Braiam You just said never flag code only answers., That's what I am referring to.
 
3:13 PM
@NathanOliver Change answers for PostTypeId=3
 
I have no idea what that means
 
Sadly, in these discussions answers vs Post with PostTypeId = 3 gets confusing
@NathanOliver PostTypeId is the kind of post on the Posts table, 3 appears under answers.
 
Still no idea what you are talking about.
What does PostTypeId = 3 have to do with our conversation?
 
@NathanOliver Is all posts that are under the "answer" section.
When I say answers, I don't mean "something that solves an issue" but literally the posts under the answers section.
 
@NathanOliver Braiam is talking about answer posts that were made by OP, which contain only code, which were intended to be edits to the question
I think it was probably a mistake to ever call those things "code only answers" because that terminology already has a loaded meaning (of something else)
 
3:19 PM
@eyllanesc I think the 4 cv-pls I've just posted catches all of the numpy dupes, for now.
 
Okay, maybe I get it. Looks like two different conversations goin on here, or at least ambiguous terminology.
 
@DavidBuck I don't understand you, you could explain me better.
 
@eyllanesc You just closed 3 duplicate questions with your gold hammer. I have just posted cv-pls requests for 4 more questions that are also duplicates of the same numpy issue.
 
@DavidBuck Okay, so do you want me to close those questions too? If this is the case then it is not necessary for you to tell me because if I consider it to be a duplicate I will close it, and if not then probably another user will vote to close it.
 
3:40 PM
This one is actually asking two different questions. stackoverflow.com/questions/64595640/…. Is it worth mod-flagging? Or should I let it be?
 
@yivi I think you should let it be.
While questions should focus on one thing, these two seem specific enough and close enough to the same general problem that it's fine.
In my opinion, of course
To frame it another way, would either of the two questions, individually, be off-topic/close-worthy?
If not, then it's probably OK.
 
Sure @TylerH But when thinking about providing an answer... I can't avoid thinking how a post about doctrine database migrations is actually not related about symfony forms. To put it another way, if you were to research this, you'd have to hit different resources. Logically, I'm not 100% convinced, hence the question here. :)
 
Fair enough, I am not a SME on those topics by any means
If you feel strongly, I think a comment asking them to pare the question down to focus on one or the other is a better first step, at the very least.
 
If no one says anything else, I'll just let it be. But I think I could answer one of those questions, but I don't want to because it would be 50% of what the asker requires.
 
"I can answer one or I can answer the other, but not both. Which is more important to you", e.g.
OP may not realize their issue by the very nature of being the person in need of assistance :-)
 
3:46 PM
Seems like a good idea. Thanks for the feedback. I'll try that a bit later.
 
3:57 PM
Sad StackOverflow user diary, day 40: looking at the "new" syntax highlighting still feels like getting punched in the eye...
 
4:33 PM
@Braiam I'm not really sure what you are saying, if it's an answer it's an answer, if they wanted to edit but answered, well then it was not an attempt to answer... but maybe you are more referring to instead of answering they should edit existing post?... baah
@MarcoBonelli hmm you have an answer there.. better to keep stuff like that out of SOCVR...
 
Yep, there's a conflict of interest. Per rule 15.
 
Hmmm, right. Sorry about that.
@DavidBuck can stuff like this be migrated to SuperUser keeping the answers?
 
@MarcoBonelli It is too late
 
@Vega you mean because it was just closed? Or because it's too old?
 
It is too old
 
4:43 PM
Hmmm... then I would have probably just kept it to be honest.
It has certainly been an useful post
 
@MarcoBonelli But it is not deleted, just closed. It will not Roomba
 
@MarcoBonelli Just ping an RO. They'll trash the request for you.
 
@Vega So closed posts don't get any "special" treatment I guess? Like not being suggested in search results and so on...
 
@MarcoBonelli you need to ask Google that? :) I would guess so....
 
4:52 PM
That's what I was concerned about. Anyway, I guess life goes on.
 
Sure or you can vote to reopen :)
 
@MarcoBonelli I haven't seen a closed post in search results. Pretty sure they are blocked or something, but you'd have to ask the staff or a developer. Perhaps questions closed as duplicates can still show up.
 
@MarcoBonelli I am not sure of that: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/316904/5468463
 
@Vega ok that makes sense.
@10Rep interesting...
 
For sure they are not blocked... but then you have google's algorithm.. I'm pretty sure they have special logic for SO (votes, views, etc)
 
4:58 PM
Is this question suitable for SO? I would have said that it needs debugging details or more focus: "Please, check my code and tell me what is wrong"
 
baah, he has code.. he has expected outcome (the formula)... and I guess he has the problem (his program does not respect the formula), boring and probably not useful question but yeah if someone likes to answer...
 
@JeanneDark Ugh, reading "Please, check my code and tell me what is wrong" really only makes me want to downvote. Seems like the problem could be narrowed down though. I wouldn't close it, it's got what it needs to be on topic.
 
@PetterFriberg My reasoning is that debugging questions need to be specific about what is wrong. Not just a lot of code asking us to find error(s).
 
it gives wrong result... what more could he tell?
 
@MarcoBonelli Thanks. Maybe I am a bit too strict.
 
5:04 PM
@JeanneDark I feel the last part of the question ruined it all. I am tempted to close as "Needs Debugging details", but I don't think that's right either. Perhaps just leave it to be.
 
@JeanneDark you do have a point
 
We shouldn't just be debugging other users code. It needs to have value for future visitors, too
 
What exactly do you need more to answer that?
@JeanneDark I 100% agree so I never do that... but that's not SO guidelines.
If you close it, you would need also be able to say what is missing... I can't really find anything missing a part from my lack of interest in similar questions.
 
@PetterFriberg "here are some equations, and here is some code, but the code does not produce the results expected from the equations - please help" is not a well-posed question
for starters, we have no way of knowing what is the expected answer
and this is OP's job
so yes, it needs debugging details IMHO
 
just plugin values in formula... that's the expected result
 
5:09 PM
wanna try this?
 
I'm mean to me it has not sense that OP edits to put in example values... I can do that myself...
 
@PetterFriberg Actual output, expected output for example. It needn't be enough that someone could find the mistakes
 
lets take a simple example a = b+c, (some incorrect code) does not work
you need me to also write b=1, c=1, I get 3 but want to get 2?
 
"The question should be updated to include desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem." One could argue that it meets the last criterion, but the other two not so much, especially not a specific problem or error
 
desired behavior = respect indicated formula, specific problem = code gives wrong result, error non code included compiles, OP shortest code included.
 
Hi long time no see :)
 
Re having to be useful for other readers: Quoted by Robert Harvey "Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers." Another post by Robert Harvey that is even stricter with the criteria for "Legitimate code troubleshooting questions"
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
Thanks Smokey! :)
@PetterFriberg Yes, so long! Some personal losses due to COVID and stuff...
:(
 
5:18 PM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman sorry to hear that :(
 
Yea, getting over it.
Thanks! :)
 
@JeanneDark anyone that search "Explicit finite difference method for transport equation" would probably find it useful :), they just copy and past the answer.
anyway to me the problem statement is clear, code that execute the indicate formula.. here is my attempt that does not work...
 
Thank you all for your input!
 
@PetterFriberg I cannot post the field equations of the general theory of relativity and my code which "does not work", asking here for help
at the very least, details of the type "for k=0 it should give X, but it gives Y" should be included - the a = b+c example is not applicable here
"code gives wrong result" is not "a specific problem or error"
 
@PetterFriberg No, I'm referring towards your absolute "flagging these code only (answer posts) is not appropiated" statement. (answer posts) that don't answer the question should be deleted, whenever they are code only or not.
 
5:45 PM
@MarcoBonelli How about this on SU: superuser.com/q/1579963/1140054
 
@Braiam You appear to have expanded the intended scope of that statement. That statement is intended to cover things placed in an Answer post which are code-only and which are intended to actually address and answer the question. IMO, the intended scope of that statement is crystal clear from both the meta Q&A which that statement is directly linked to and the conversation within which that chat message was posted.
At no time was that statement ever intended to cover things that are put in an Answer post and which were not intended to actually address and answer the question (e.g. code for the question which was mistakenly posted by the question OP in an Answer post instead of as an edit). In other words, that statement is about "code-only answers". You appear to be talking about code-only non-answers which happen to be in an Answer post.
@Braiam I'm not sure if you're actually confused as to what the scope of that statement was or intentionally making this difficult. If it is that you're confused, or just wanting that statement to be refined so little or no confusion is possible, then you've gone about this conversation in a manner which has resulted in sowing additional confusion in other people, rather than moving directly towards better clarity.
Another time, it would be appreciated if you would try to be more clear in what you're saying or objecting to. If you had been more clear as to your objection to that statement, this conversation would have taken 30 seconds for everyone to agree with you. Instead, this has dragged on over a considerable period of time and involved multiple people.
 
@Vega seems the same issue, nice detective job.
 
6:08 PM
@MarcoBonelli sorry to respond so late but, I agree it's a decent answer to a decent question, but it's still not a software development question. As @Vega has said, it'll still be around (unless anyone votes to delete it). If SO really wanted to keep good, off-topic questions open, they should make them easier to migrate to the right site.
 
@Braiam it was a quote with link to an answer, you are missing context
 
Moaning all ...
I'm tempted to CV this one as "general computing" ... doesn't really mention programming anywhere, does it? But also speaks of a VPS, which makes me think maybe Server Fault?
Meh - went w/ general computing ...
 
@DavidBuck yeah CVing that makes sense, I agree. It's still there anyway.
 
6:24 PM
@tink General Computing makes sense. That's so broad and vague that it would get closed on any of the three sites, in any case.
 
@DavidBuck heh. Cheers ... funny thing is I have an inkling that it would get a lot of upvotes from others who have no idea where/how to start ... =}
 
@tink Ha. Yes, the "I'm new to programming but would like to create a clone of Facebook. Can anyone give me some pointers" questions can definitely attract some interest.
 
@PetterFriberg Well, the star board has all the context. I prefer context to be included there.
 
6:58 PM
Is it ok to ask for a mod-decline on an approved edit suggestion in this room?
 
7:13 PM
@Braiam just click and you will find all the context you seek, research is a valuable trait.
 
@DavidBuck =D ... How about "I want to create my own OS based on Arch Linux" ...? ;)
 
@tink I just saw one Question that asked how to interface an OS to a network card in assembler.
 
=D
 
Perhaps I missed something, but isn't that what they also call a driver?
 
7:22 PM
But I have seen one answer that was so long, it was split into two Answer boxes.. I suppose it's possible to post a driver here :)
 
LOL
 
7:40 PM
Ugh... can I flag all of Facebook and Twitter as Rude/Abusive? Maybe suspend everyone to cool down until after the election?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Do like me. "Log out" :)
 
Does editing only the tag of a question push it to the reopen queue?
*if a closed question
 
@Magnetron No, I do not think it does.
 
thanks
 
@Magnetron No, only edits to the body of the question by users who have not voted to close or flagged the question (but not including custom flags), or by the question author.
 
7:50 PM
@Makyen thanks
 
np
 
I was searching chat for a quote by Makyen saying just that :D
 
@PetterFriberg Well, if moderators need not context to evaluate a flag, I can use no context to argue against simplistic rule of thumbs. ;)
 
8:09 PM
The change to the triage queue definitely seems to have had one effect - the H&I queue is basically empty. There have been a total of two reviews today. It was hard finding things in the queue that were worth the effort of deleting, but the H&I steward badge is getting further and further away.
 
@DavidBuck One review every other day.. it'll be anyone's in about 5 years :)
 
@Scratte Back before the crackdown on requires editing, there were a few people sailing through to get their badge by editing the first 20 posts they came across every day. I'm beginning to regret not having followed the same strategy.
 
8:26 PM
@DavidBuck Don't be.. it's just reviewing and no one will notice the shiny badge :)
 
@Scratte agreed
 
8:41 PM
@TylerH I was just about to post - split personality disorder?
 
@TylerH Agreed
 
9:07 PM
Not sure I understand what's suspicious about it. Is that a subject matter expert thing?
I just see someone trying to get rid of the little number notification, like we get in chat when there a new messages.
 
9:39 PM
@Scratte You must have missed the NAA answer with a whole conversation in the comments, except for the fact that both parties to the conversation were the same user.
 
@DavidBuck I indeed missed that completely. I also committed a mortal sin.. ;) But it was fun doing a small problem. I like small isolated problems :)
 
10:03 PM
Anyone know of a user script that replaces avatars on users?
 
Should this be closed? Question asks for help with a HW assignment, and answer basically says OP has misunderstood the HW assignment.
 
10:17 PM
@Braiam Rule of thumb is to give context in message that gets starred?, I will need to use my crystal ball then :D or which is the context of your message? :P
 
10:47 PM
 
@Scratte Do you mean you want to or it's occurring to you?
 
@DavidBuck I want to replace broken images on avatars with some predefined one :)
But since I'm a really awful javaScript'er.. I figured I'd ask first :)
 
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