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1:00 AM
Why stackoverflow.com/q/56741927 is not deleted after receiving 3 delete votes? It showed up in mod tools with 0 vote required to delete!!
 
@MunimMunna Better question is why it didn't Roomba. Gone now tho
 
@Machavity didn't notice that, must be a bug then
 
1:28 AM
@NathanOliver feel free to ping me with any post that you want featured.
It's like the old "you get 1 one-box a day" rule that rene had ... "you get 1 featured meta post a day"
 
2:24 AM
The SD report is spam
 
2:43 AM
@BhargavRao I was looking for a funny one but I have a serious one if you prefer (directly affects SOCVR FAQ)
 
3:28 AM
@Machavity I was thinking of this one meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/387570/…
 
@BhargavRao Reminds me of a line from Babylon 5: "Never give someone a gun if you're not sure where they'll point it"
We can also relive the glory days of Meta, I suppose
 
Oh yeah, that's actually a nice one
All jokes aside - I probably won't be featuring/handling any of the featured-request flags. I've voiced my concerns about this in my answer there meta.stackoverflow.com/a/387564/4099593.
This is very similar to how the government works. "We don't create solutions for the existing problems, we create new problems for which we know the solutions"
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@BhargavRao -107 clearly you are not alone in hating this...
 
user10957435
Actually, +33/-140, but still...
 
5:59 AM
@BhargavRao /me flags all the thingz..
 
6:14 AM
Morning \o
 
/o Morning
 
o/
 
/o
 
6:49 AM
 
 
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@Makyen Went with unclear. It's reproducible but not entirely clear what the intents & example inputs are
 
@MichaelDodd I also went with unclear. I'm really not sure what they were trying to ask, but I think it was intended as debugging. I agree, if it was debugging then it was missing the desired behavior and what input it's supposedly receiving in the message event.
 
9:17 AM
Does anybody know where can we ask for book recommendations? OP is asking me about this here - stackoverflow.com/questions/57178845/…
 
@VadimKotov No idea if it's valid on the Software Recs SE, but it's definitely not valid here
 
@MichaelDodd I think it is not, according to their rules
 
But It's Not Unusual for Tom Johnes to be looking for books
 
Of course I understand it is off-topic on SO. I am asking about other places
 
vaaaaaguely security.stackexchange.com? but check their guidelines
 
@tripleee thanks for the input
 
IMO, is not on-topic anywhere, be better for a book-based forum, like Goodreads.. or something similar
 
@treyBake or an amazon search and reading reviews
 
^^ that's too easy though
 
10:18 AM
 
 
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11:28 AM
 
11:38 AM
@jps needs an edit to fix post, if we like to keep it
 
12:03 PM
Oh dear, England getting taken apart by the Irish of all people
You'd have thought it was Rugby, not Cricket
 
@MichaelDodd I thought you were making a political statement there for a second.
 
@Dharman We're doing a good job of dismantling ourselves politically cheers :)
*cries in piffle-paffle*
85 all out. Wow that's embarassing.
 
@Dharman a question; nothing rude or something
 
@Dharman I reverted back to version 2 but you have to have the rep to see it still of course
 
12:13 PM
I assume unsalvagable still
 
off-topic general computing by quick look
 
Deleted now
 
@Luuklag yeah that's why you can't view it unless you have ... 20k I think?
 
@tripleee 10k
 
yeah I guess
 
12:21 PM
Morning
 
@NathanOliver 'fternoon
 
@NathanOliver \o
 
London is going to have 38deg tomorrow :O poor guys there
 
12:39 PM
31 for us next to the sea tomorrow :(
 
🏖😎
 
@treyBake Tomorrow's my work from home day. No air-conditioned office for me, just hoping there's some sort of breeze
 
@MichaelDodd the wind of freedom has been passing your island since yesterday innit?
 
yeah.. I'm not in an air-conditioned space either :/ still an office.. but minus the air con
 
@Adriaan It's a wind of something...
 
12:42 PM
and whoever designed the building to be glass is going straight to hell xD
 
31, 38, pshh. That ain't nothing. It's going to be 81 here today ;)
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@NathanOliver Pfft you and your silly freedom units
 
@NathanOliver We have the best numbers. They're bigger than anyone else's. They're great, no-one can say otherwise.
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^ you sir get a star for expressing the murican thought process
 
@NathanOliver just make sure to use kilometres, they also result in bigger numbers ;), oh, and Zimbabwean dollars
 
12:45 PM
:)
 
@BDL code added, but it looks very non-minimal. Is it OK now?
 
@Adriaan Well said! Here's 10,000 Zenni
 
@Adriaan Have 42,032 IRR
 
@Machavity well, plastering that on the wall is cheaper than wall-paper, but that's about all of its use here
Can anyone with OpenGL or GSLS knowledge tell whether this code is minimal? It's no longer behind a Github, granted, but looks big
 
@Adriaan No clue, but the OP commenting that "he fixed it" means no repro
 
1:08 PM
@Machavity oh no, that was a reply to my comment saying they should get the code in the question instead of behind a link. That's what they fixed
 
BDL
@Adriaan I guess it's as good as it can get.
 
@BDL so reopen?
 
BDL
@Adriaan Yes
 
@Adriaan Bleh. Get a reopen going and I'll chip in. Sorry about that
 
1:32 PM
Woot, earned the Epic badge! ... on Meta...
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Smokey is suddenly detecting things that aren't links (or are highlighted as code) as links...
 
@TylerH if I understand what you are referring to, it's not sudden, but they often don't show up here because that rule is experimental
 
1:49 PM
ah
yes I'm referring to the two most recent Smokey reports
a link in a code block like <a href="/">...</a> should not be reported as a "non-latin link"
Then the other was in plaintext but was C:\User\yunus.condarc which isn't a URL at all. I would hope Smokey's code could discern \ from /
@Makyen Can we turn this experimental feature off in SOCVR?
it's 100% wrong so far
 
2:34 PM
 
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Q: Should we burninate the [security-by-obscurity] tag?

B.LetzI came across the [security-by-obscurity] tag and wondered why we need it. If there is a reason for keeping the tag please enlighten me. It contains 33 questions at the time of writing this. Only 9 of those are also have the [security] tag. 1. Does it describe the contents of the questions to ...

 
@Burnination-Feed 3 times yes and 1 maybe? Wow, that's one of the worst burn reqs I have seen thus far
 
3:08 PM
@TylerH Which experimental reason are you meaning? Things got a bit confused with your discussion above and then another SD report and your feedback to it. Experimental reasons don't cause a report to show up in SOCVR, if they are the only reasons that a post was detected. In order for a report to show up in SOCVR, it needs to have at least one non-experimental reason.
 
@Adriaan yep ...
 
@Makyen I mentioned it was weird that SD was suddenly reporting (to my knowledge it was sudden) non-URLs as URLs (e.g., UNC file paths with backslashes were being detected as URLs, which is wrong. Additionally, the code <a href="#">...</a> was in a code block and detected as a "non-latin URL" by SD and reported here. Tripleee suggested this was not new, but rather just an uncommon thing to show up in SOCVR, as it's an experimental detection feature.
 
@rene maybe they got it reversed, and were under the impression that you need to mostly answer yes for a burnination request to be valid..
 
However, then there was another SD report of 'bad keyword in link' for non-bad link (a GitHub library)
this is a high frequency of bad reports by SD so I'm assuming there was some change made to its detection, or its reporting config for the room. I suppose it could be a coincidence, but the first two are definitely a bug
otherwise any post on SO with <a> tags in it is about to get reported
 
3:16 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier so many users read, commented and rephrased those criteria that I no longer understand how they should be applied.
 
@TylerH Yeah, I saw that one. "Bad keyword with a link in answer" runs about 80% TP, 8% FP, and 15% NAA. and has been operational for a bit over 3 years. [Yes, the percentages don't add up to 100%, as there are some posts which have multiple types of feedback.]
It does not appear that anyone recently changed that detection. The most recent change to it was just under a year ago.
 
hm
well, either way, it shouldn't detect <a> </a> elements in code blocks at all, let alone as non-Latin URLs
same with detecting UNC paths as URLs
 
4:49 PM
Where do we report unnecessary edits.
 
@MunimMunna Why is it unnecessary?
 
@MunimMunna Which one? Also, for 2K+ users, unless it causes harm, there is nothing to report
 
@NathanOliver If you make an edit once the post is closed aren't you pushing this into the review queue?
 
@Dharman the second edit by 0x499602D2 user looked unnecessary to me, btw I didn't notice his first edit, that was fine
 
It does. I think there is a threshold though.
@MunimMunna he made the code more consistent. I can't fault anyone editing to make the styling consistent.
 
4:55 PM
@Dharman @NathanOliver Edits from users who voted to close, or flagged the post, don't push the question into the reopen review queue. The edit also has to be to the body of the post, not just a title or tag edit.
So, that post should not be in the reopen queue at this time.
 
@MunimMunna Even the second edit on its own is perfectly fine. It made the code more readable at the same time keeping the logic the same.
 
From NATTY, rude answer here stackoverflow.com/questions/22167263/…
 
"how tf" should be added to regex to catch them or at least flag as potentially bad phrase
 
5:05 PM
@MunimMunna Given how close together (2 minutes) the two edits were by that user, they were probably expecting the second edit to be a minor correction to their first edit within the 5 minute grace period. However, some other action on the post broke the grace period, so it ended up being a separate edit. Overall, I wouldn't consider it reportable/flagable.
Usually, for edits that are not clearly inappropriate (i.e. spam, R/A, vandalism, etc.), such things are not reportable (i.e. flagable) unless there's a pattern of repeated similar behavior.
 
I missed to noticed his first edit, only saw the second one before, so I thought it was unnecessary edit, my bad
 
np. It's easy to miss something like that.
 
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@VadimKotov C++ has a book list in its FAQ, but I don't know about other languages.
 
5:24 PM
Tomorrow, we will have 42°C in Paris. Today it was 39°C
 
39.2 in Gilze Rijen ... they promise some possible rain tomorrow end of day in the south west... before that new high temperature records will be broken
This is crazy. We took a loan on the Earth and now it collects the debt ...
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:(
 
5:46 PM
@rene 39,3 in Eindhoven ;)
 
6:01 PM
You won !
 
@Dharman we can easily do that but does anybody else think this is a good idea? I'm slightly skeptical but if the suggestions gets seconds I'll put it in
(of course anybody with !!/watch privileges to Smokey can add it, any anyone can create a PR)
in particular I'm thinking "how tf/idf fixes my poor English word order?" would be a common false positive
(looking back, my own English isn't stellar today either)
 
@tripleee @Dharman There are 49 hits on SE. Most are clearly FP, just from the summaries displayed by the search. A major contributor appears to be that "TF" is used as an abbreviation for TensorFlow.
 
@Makyen thanks for the investigation!
 
@Dharman For how\W*tf there's only 2 hits on MS in bodies (1 TP, 1 FP) and 1 hit in titles, which is FP. The FP was the same post for both searches. So, overall, I don't think that "how tf" has enough TP to justify the probable FP.
 
 
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8:50 PM
Morning all /o
 
\o
 
9:30 PM
o/ all
 
As part of the burn, stackoverflow.com/q/1451833/1394393 has received 3 close votes as Too Broad. But given the second answer, I'm inclined to think the question is okay. The asker doesn't seem to be asking for a full on implementation, but rather for a general approach (which does seem to exist). I can't really think of any way to edit it. I'm not sure what action I should take. Suggestions?
 
@jpmc26 A good answer doesn't make a question good, IMO the question itself is still too broad
Is it even a programming question or is it a maths/stats question?
 
@NickA I would say that algorithms for numerical approaches to solving equations falls within the overlap of the two subjects. Such algorithms are invariably going to be implemented as code rather than done by hand.
 
Sure but there are going to be dozens of algorithms, would a question asking how best to sort be any different?
It does even ask "Or are there better ways?" which is of course extremely open
 
9:44 PM
@NickA I agree that an answer alone doesn't fix the question, but as a non-SME on numerical solvers, I can't say that there isn't a definitive answer to that question. The second answer seems to indicate that there is such a definitive answer.
@NickA I wouldn't disqualify a question just for containing that phrase, as a question should always be open to better approaches to a problem the asker never considered.
 
Of course open to them, but this question explicitly asks for them
 
I'm saying that you could add that phrase to any question on the entire site without fundamentally changing the nature of the question.
We should probably edit it out, now that you've brought it up, since it adds nothing. But I wouldn't judge the question on that primarily.
 
Feel free, and hmmmm, alright, in that case the first (accepted) answer does answer the question (no, is the answer :) ). Suggestions, IMO, edit to remove open ended part of the question and leave open like that, the question that will remain will have a definitive answer and leave it open to other methods as we discussed
 
Hm.
 
And having the keywords root-solver (root-finder would likely be better) in the second answer will lead to those other solutions
 
9:54 PM
It seems like the basic thrust of it is, "What's an efficient way to find the input that evaluates to a particular output given an arbitrary function?"
Now that I think about it more, the attempted solution of using cubic interpolation really doesn't add anything, other than to show some ideas they had.
 
And that IMO is too broad, which is how I read the question originally, but if you refine it to just the given "Is it possible to use Cubic interpolation here?", then it's not too broad, the accepted answer answers that
 
This is one of those many situations where I feel like the best solution is, "Create a better canonical that can address the question directly and then close this one as a dupe or something."
 
"or something" - I love it
 
10:09 PM
@NickA I am going to steal this meme. Thanks. 🏃‍♂️
 
@Dharman It's an oldie but a goldie
 
10:28 PM
@Dharman If you remember to do so, please edit the question prior to posting a cv-pls, rather than after posting the request. The URRS userscript indicates if a post has been edited after the request is posted. I generally find I spend more time on requests for edited posts, just to investigate the possibility an edit resulted in the post no longer being off-topic.
That's not to say "don't edit after posting a request", just try to do so prior to posting the request, as it saves people time. If the question/answer still needs the edit after posting a request, then definitely edit the post. It's not that big of a deal. It's something I forget to do too from time-to-time. It's just something to try to keep in mind. Thanks.
 
10:48 PM
@Makyen Noted! I didn't know about this userscript yet.
 
@Makyen Does that include tag only edits?
 
@Dharman Our userscripts are listed on the tools page. There are a variety which are beneficial. It looks like you're already using the Request Generator. The Unclosed Request Review Script (URRS) (GitHub) (install) provides in-chat information and searches for open requests.
@StephenKennedy The URRS doesn't distinguish the type of edit, just that there was an edit after the time the request was posted.
It's also not completely accurate, as the time at which something was posted is often not recorded exactly, due to limitations in the chat system and not actually fetching the record of the request, just the information that's available in-page. That will probably be improved, as I've been moving code to fetch the chat events for a page into a separate module. If using that, the chat events are only fetched once and are then shares the data between different scripts.
However, I haven't modified the URRS to use that, yet.
 
@Makyen Oh, I knew that! I didn't know that
 
11:32 PM
chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/46855225#46855225 Let it be known that I have received this magnanimously high praise from the blurry flower himself :-D
"Not even a bad idea"
 
@TylerH I'm sorry, I'm still laughing from one of the flowers other messages: "but having a single account operated by multiple users will breach the ToS ..."
 
@NickA Oops, yes let's just sweep that under the rug... *whistles*
 
11:57 PM
@TylerH I bet he didn't star it though
Have a star from me
 

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