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4:00 AM
Burninate request for is rising rapidly; I proposed a cleanup that involves a couple other tags as well that's probably worthwhile. It may make a few more tags look like burn targets after but hey; I'd rather the community debate their fate rather than just call it on a different tag that doesn't even sound similar.
 
4:23 AM
@Joshua Just to set your expectations: there is a long list of tags that are up for burnination, which represents a few/several years worth of work to handle them all. Feel free to propose others, just keep in mind that it might be a while prior to them being handled.
 
Is Unclear the right call for this question? I'm not an expert in .
 
4:39 AM
@SecretAgentMan The question is not in English. As such, "unclear" is appropriate.
 
5:04 AM
@Makyen ty that's what I thought based on guidance for non-English content but I was concerned question title might just be something I didn't know about.
 
5:57 AM
This question seem very low quality and duplicate so need to close stackoverflow.com/questions/57157185/…
 
@hs-dev2MR I have created an actual cv-pls ^ for you. see also: socvr.org/…
@LynnCrumbling Ha! Welcome back ;)
 
6:36 AM
@tripleee I moved that as well, to prevent confusion ...
Nothing personal
 
7:04 AM
 
@Shree I think that is a save bet.
gone already
 
:)
-14 :D
 
yeah, I can see why users would have doubts if it was real spam and then err on the side of assume good faith.
It was absolutely worth a down vote and close vote.
 
7:38 AM
@MichaelDodd OP removed explicit question but that makes it now just too broad and general computing
 
8:02 AM
@RiggsFolly it'll roomba in 4 days without us interfering FYI
 
@VadimKotov looks like troll. Tempting to flag R/A
 
@Adriaan I think you have it the other way 'round. Asker had full 4 hours to adjust to site requirements and they didn't do. (And in case if they "jusrt accidentally" had to go AFK right after asking, they can translate and flag for undeletion or re-ask in English.) And since it is not English there is no way for site visitors to tell that it's not spam / offensive. Unless you expect that every visitor should use translation service for stuff like that
 
@gnat So the reason for not waiting on the roomba but fast-track 20k deleting it is the possibility of this being spam in a foreign language, albeit having no links and code which looks like a normal question? Your call, I'd still have let it roomba
 
9:11 AM
@Adriaan non-English content can't be reviewed and moderated by community and because of that it should go away, the sooner the better. Ideally, it would be translated by author but if they appear unresponsive, delete votes would work too (interesting how you picked to ignore my pointing to how it can be offensive)
 
@gnat I didn't ignore your point of possible offensiveness on purpose, apologies. I thought I'd covered that with the spam-remark. Anyhow, let's agree to disagree and let the discussion rest.
 
9:35 AM
!!/alive
 
@angussidney Of course
 
!!/reboot
 
10:10 AM
 
Was the rude deletion by moderator vote on this question warranted?
Whilst I agree that the question should've been closed and is probably unsalvageable, the rude deletion by a moderator seems harsh, given that MRI research into detecting breast tumours is a valid and very active research area. Tuning one's algorithm for a specific shape often helps performance, both in terms of speed and accuracy. I'd therefore argue that choosing women's breasts as test shape was the only way to go here.
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@Adriaan I'm <10k so can't judge. Would the post be considered NSFW out of context (i.e. would it get someone into trouble with HR if inadvertently opened?). If you're arguing against the -100 penalty, possibly a modflag might shed more light on the decision without bringing it to meta
 
@MichaelDodd might be; there was a very crude (64x64 pixels or so) binary image of a female torso. I already modflagged as well
 
@Adriaan Could be edited by making the image link-only with a content description warning, if it is an integral part of the question
Context is key in this instance
 
As I said: the question is unsalvageable, basically a "please write my image detection algorithm for me, here's a test image". Thus editing doesn't help much. This is more about the general principle on deleting this single handed because of the image (the comment by the mod says as much), even though it's a scientifically valid research area
 
10:20 AM
@Adriaan Oh aye, I understand. Just suggesting on future cases where the question may be more valid
 
@MichaelDodd and advice appreciated, I'll keep that in mind next time I come across one of those
 
Honestly delete is fine , but I don't like MOD single line comment on that. Image is not that much NSFW.
 
10:38 AM
@Adriaan you can't tell if the rude flags were from the mod, maybe the rude flag was raised by someone else and the mod decided to mark that flag as helpful, leading to the deletion and hiding of the content
 
11:14 AM
@rene valid point. The mod's comment though make me think the two are related at the very least, and even if red flags were present, I'd say they'd have to be handled differently here. Thanks for the input; I'll just wait for the response on the flag and will adhere to what Michael said next time wrt editing the image in
 
Sure, you can have several points of view on this. I would opt for caution with these kind of things, despite the possible good intent behind the question.
 
I'll leave it for the custom flag I raised, where I hope to have concisely made my point. I hope that as consensus the outcome is that questions like these are valid, but the images should possibly be hidden behind a link, as opposed to being in the question directly.
 
That sounds fair, yes.
 
@Adriaan ummm.... if you think it's unlikely to be salvageable anyway... what would you expect here?
 
@JonClements not rude-deleting (and thus possibly banning the user) the thing, and the comment of the mod is simply wrong and should be deleted, as finding an inter-mammary shape in an image can only be done in images with, well, mammaries
Deleting the question in itself is not bad IMO (although I prefer to let it sit for the roomba, as it's perceived as less rude), it's the specific comment + deletion as rude which bugs me
@JonClements the current state of the rude deletion + comment feel to me like they're based on an opinion that any post containing an image of breasts is invalid, and I am merely trying to argue that this is a valid use case (regardless of the question being bad). Is there any guidance for not inlining images in this case, but leaving them behind a link, if necessary?
 
11:55 AM
@Adriaan should be possible to edit the link in such a way that it's not in-lined
 
@JonClements cool thanks. I just 'improved' an edit of someone in this case (by making the image also clickable itself), but will keep this in mind for future reference.
Throws scooby snack
 
however, a deleted post with a helpful spam/ra flag will always be hidden behind a link for everyone but mods
 
@JonClements ah, and the only way to get rid of current red flags is by undeleting it, and then deleting again right? Can the user even edit + revise their post if they decided to do so, it having been red flagged?
@PearlySpencer that's a simple python error, not a tool request. THey probably simply did not download the third party resource (is a dupe most likely)
 
@Adriaan errr... no straight undeleting/re-deleting doesn't affect the red flags on the post, it requires a "clear red flags" command (which as a side effect undeletes it) then deletion...
as to the second part... it depends... if the post wasn't nuked due to red flags (which means it's automatically locked) then any user that's able to view/edit the post can do so... in the later case... it's uneditable except by mods if needed
 
Thanks for the info @JonC and sorry for the fuss
 
12:08 PM
no worries - it's something worth considering in general, but in this specific case, meh, let's not sweat the small stuff :)
 
@JonClements it's indeed the general case I'm concerned about, as we seem to get quite a few medical image-detection questions in . Most of them are "Please do my 4 year PhD for me and segment out the bone in this image"
 
@Adriaan we've also got an image expert that is/did work in medical sciences, and there's also cases where we get actual mammogram images and such, that are just as innocent as that, but that mod believes it to be breached info.... so.... while that's different than this case - just looks like a rather bad pixel representation to me, I wouldn't have deleted it, might have done what you thought, but it's no real loss as it wasn't going to go anywhere anyway
 
@JonClements with this question I completely agree. One small thing: the comment should go IMO, in case the OP does want to edit the Q into shape. Should I modflag that separately?
 
nah, I'll remove it now - and done... onto the next thing folks! :)
 
@JonClements The crux of the matter for me (and I'm guessing for @Adriaan) is the -100 penalty and R/A mark applied against the user for a red flag deletion. I can't see the question myself (and wouldn't want to since I'm currently at work), but it seems that the R/A penalty is excessive for something that isn't R/A in the context. Looking at the transcript here (just got back from lunch), was this matter addressed?
 
12:16 PM
@MichaelDodd there was no penalty applied
 
@JonClements Right ok, thanks for clarifying that
 
Who let the puppy in here? Oh, wait, it's Jon.
 
@Machavity oh fine... I'll go then... /me sits with crying puppy dog eyes in the corner by the door...... :p
 
Aw man, not the puppy eyes... Now everything is all blurry
 
12:36 PM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson. The next few months are going to be fun...
 
@MichaelDodd wait, wasn't there already a country which feels like an island and doesn't want to be part of the rest of the world with a slightly overweight, blonde leader across the pond...?
 
@Adriaan There's 2 now!
 
Oh no, they're reproducing
Did someone forget to not feed them after midnight or get them wet
 
Johnson for President ... wait ...
 
1:08 PM
@MichaelDodd He's putting the B back into Brexit. What's not to like?
 
1:25 PM
@MichaelDodd pfft, you still haven't got your android hammer? Go answer some more "How ged tis effekt in my app" questions ;)
 
@Adriaan 611 to go, I'm 11 away from Silver
 
@NathanOliver \o
 
nvm, they self-answered in English, with a piece of code and mainly another question.
 
1:42 PM
^ that was a much more useful comment than mine.
I should use that next time
 
1:56 PM
Reading that French post makes me wonder, why is a Japanese SO in beta, but not a French one? I mostly encounter pt/es/ru posts, and then as fourth most frequent French. I think I hav eseen Japanese only once or twice
 
@PaulRoub I flagged that new answer as spam as well
@PaulRoub Not so sure on that one. Shog has said asking for official sources is okay and this is asking for a replacement link from the one in the book
I can see this being useful if the link in the book is dead.
 
@PaulRoub I misread that as "tail end". I'm looking forward to The Ashes too much.
 
2:12 PM
o/ Happy Monday everyone. Or Tuesday, for those of you who were not out sick yesterday, like me
 
@NathanOliver Ah, I forgot about that. Retracted my vote. Are you able to trash the message?
 
\o happy Tuesday! Don't scare me that it might be Monday though :p
 
Binned per OP request
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hahaha xD ^
 
@SecretAgentMan Edit needs rejecting as per meta, translation attempt
 
@Adriaan Woops, I could have swarn that it was set for No Rooba. Sorry.
 
@TylerH technically he didn't request that, he only asked if it was possible
 
@RiggsFolly eh, no problem. It still roomba's in 3 days luckily
 
@SmokeDetector v
 
2:43 PM
@MichaelDodd Tracking the meta guidance. Can you explain what you mean by "edit needs rejecting"?
^ you mean that comment from MMZ?
 
@SecretAgentMan There was a pending edit on the question that translated the question into English. That should only be done by OP else OP may not understand replies from other users, so I was indicating that the pending edit should be rejected.
 
@SecretAgentMan the problem with translating a post for someone else is two fold: things can be lost in translation (especially when using machine translation), and it is not guaranteed that the OP understands English, and thus whether they can respond to comments/answers addressed at them
 
^ Username is potentially bad as well, worth modflagging?
 
@MichaelDodd Ah, I see. Thank you. I didn't see that edit and I'm not sure I can anyway due to my low rep status. I don't think I can review edit suggestions yet.
 
@SecretAgentMan nope; when there are pending edits and you have >2k rep you'll see "edit (1)" instead of a plain "edit" underneath a post
 
2:49 PM
@Adriaan Thank you. I agree completely. I've seen a few Meta discussions on the same issues and to my knowledge, I've not ever used Google Translate to suggest an edit. I didn't notice the (1) but will be on the lookout in the future. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
4:40 PM
@Adriaan @MichaelDodd I don't think I can see those "edit (1)" indicators for pending edits at my current level (1499). But thank you for clarifying -- I'll be on the lookout and reject those edit suggestions when I finally can see them.
 
@SecretAgentMan I tried to make that clear with the "once you have >2k rep", sorry
 
@Adriaan I just misread your statement. After looking at it again, I'm sorry, I'm an idiot. No need for this - you were clear the first time.
 
 
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6:47 PM
^ I suspect that the second answer is a spam
 
Yeah I had that consideration too. It was slightly on topic wrt the question which is the only reason I didn't flag it, but probably still qualifies.
 
7:00 PM
SO is doing it again. Lets remove the hot meta posts so we don't see us calling SO out as much. sigh
 
@NathanOliver *sigh*
 
@NathanOliver makoto's latest?
 
@Adriaan this
 
I'm sure someone will create a userscript that will make a sidebar in this very chat room that will judge meta topics based on views and ratings, similarly to how MSO did. *Cough* @Makyen *Cough* :-)
 
7:20 PM
@NathanOliver I actually think this is a great thing
it's not the mods that want meta posts hidden from the sidebar, it's CMs
I think some mods in particular are more likely to "feature" controversial/anti-SO posts because they agree with the post
 
@TylerH I wish I could be as optimistic as you xD. They may want to, but actually performing the action is another story.
 
@TylerH Maybe that will happen and I'd be happy if it did. What it seems like though is that it's going to put the onus on the mods and they might not want to step on the CM's /Dev's toes since they work together with them.
 
@NathanOliver Maybe you haven't been on Meta lately :-P There's not been a lot of working together between the mods and the CMs...
ok, let's try this
so why didn't the others work -_-
 
@NathanOliver it is removed so more space becomes available for ads ...
 
8:05 PM
Yikes, good observation
 
Everyone using SO should already be using adblockers anyway
 
I'm not running an ad-blocker
 
thanks for helping keep the internet free for those of us who do! much appreciated :)
 
I don't run an adblocker, but I do block the ASPOSE ad at the top that takes 4 seconds to load and shifts my entire page downward once it does. It's the ads that physically gets in the way that I can't deal with.
 
9:10 PM
 
9:27 PM
As Britain is about to embark on its one sole week of good weather this year, and as temperatures bask at an overnight high of 28 degrees celsius while every person and their dog complains, I'd like to leave you all with one last adage before I head to bed
Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana
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9:39 PM
@MichaelDodd :-{
 
9:52 PM
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs I got really bored and answered my cv req. Can someone remove my req per the rules? Feel free to express your frustration in the form of DVs, just be gentle :-)
Boredom while sitting at your desk on the job is a real influencer on answering bad questions ~o~
 
10:09 PM
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Any idea what their actual algorithm was to determine a hotness score?
 
Haha not a clue. I am sure it would have something to do with views and votes per hour. This would probably include positive and negative votes as hot topics weren't always a positive thing. Sure some metric on the number of comments and/or answers were included as well. Essentially, the overall activity on a post.
My comment wasn't a real request, but it would certainly be nice.
 

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