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12:05 AM
@KenWhite Isn't this spam per meta? cc @Makyen
 
@StephenKennedy Yep, spam, IMO.
 
@Makyen thanks. I pulled the trigger.
 
np
 
@StephenKennedy Guess you don't need an answer to that from me. :-)
 
@KenWhite No we're all good thanks :)
 
1:05 AM
A poor off-topic question (though not spam) got deleted. Looks like someone flagged it as spam though, resulting in "This question was marked as spam or rude or abusive and is therefore not shown" as soon as the question was manually deleted. It's not spam, so the notice is wrong - is that an issue to custom flag, or does it not matter?
Wouldn't want the system to think that (yet another) poor questioner is on quite the same level as a spammer, I suppose, if that's something it takes into account
 
@CertainPerformance If it was actually deleted as spam (i.e. the user that deleted it is the "Community" user; not the case by your description), then it's definitely of concern. If it was deleted by a moderator or other users, then there's no penalty applied. However, if it's something the OP might improve, or the OP might reasonably be contributing (i.e. having something deleted as spam might feel bad), then it's reasonable to custom flag asking a moderator to clear or dispute the spam/R/A flags.
@CertainPerformance To be specific, as far as I know the system only takes the spam/R/A flags into account if it's actually deleted as spam. It does, however, take into account the dowvote that is automatically applied along with the spam/R/A flag.
 
Makes sense, good to know, thanks
 
1:23 AM
np
 
1:43 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels unless you're a rust zealot, in that case there's a single truth. ;)
 
2:24 AM
@sideshowbarker Glad you showed up here. I was beginning to feel like I was talking to myself. :-)
 
@KenWhite heh. Thank the person who wrote that question I cvs-pls’ed :-)
 
@sideshowbarker Just glad to see I'm not the only one working. ;D
 
2:38 AM
@KenWhite nah still a few of us around
 
@Nkosi :-) Good. I don't have enough CVs to do it all by myself.
 
I'm here for about another hour so have at it.
 
@Nkosi Look up. :-) I've been busy for the past few hours. I've got about half an hour myself (if I don't run out of votes first).
 
I'm moping those up as we speak. already tackled most of those.
 
@Nkosi I'll look for more.
 
3:29 AM
@Matthew On its own, VLQ really isn't a close reason... "too broad" would be appropriate, or "unclear". We'd prefer if actual close reasons are included in requests.
 
@Makyen Okay, noted.
 
3:42 AM
I very much want to do a cp-pls, but don't know what reason to use ... stackoverflow.com/questions/56659698/…
 
@tink Don't know, but I downvoted it at least.
 
@Matthew heh. Ta ;)
Made up my mind ... even just presenting 3 target languages makes it "too broad" to be to my liking ;)
 
3:57 AM
 
@Matthew That's a cv-pls request - mine is a del-pls request
 
@EJoshuaS Ah you're right.
 
@EJoshuaS Asking the user to edit their question, then posting a del-pls a just a minute later, without the OP answering you, doesn't really send a consistent message.
 
4:25 AM
@Makyen Yeah, maybe I should've left the suggestion to edit out of the comment, given that the OP had already made an unsuccessful edit, and was already basically saying that they didn't care that it was bad, they just wanted someone to help them anyway.
@Makyen I think deletion was merited though given that their comment was effectively a refusal to fix the question.
 
5:18 AM
@DeveshKumarSingh a gold badge holder closed the Q and then reopened after an edit.
 
5:31 AM
@Shree downvoted and VTC'd because there was no jQuery.
 
:)
 
 
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7:04 AM
fp feedback on autoflagged post: unexpected start tag head in existing head [MS]
Autoflagged FP: flagged by @SmokeDetector
 
@PetterFriberg @Mayken, sorry can you trash that, I'm changing the question (to a Shog9 type question)
that way we can keep the answer.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
8:18 AM
o/
 
\o
 
o/
 
o/
 
 
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9:37 AM
@SirE_net4theDownvoter I was expecting to open that to a post about mourning...
 
9:49 AM
@NickA Welp. It seems at least I dodged a bullet by not commenting.
 
@SirE_net4theDownvoter Appears so
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels This appears to be a common trend for that user.
 
@SirE_net4theDownvoter: blame the site for his poor question quality
 
!!/blame᠎ ​‌‍᠎‌⁠
 
It seems I had also stumbled upon even more questions of that user, already voted accordingly before this bad commenting behavior.
 
9:53 AM
@double-beep It's Jon Skeet's fault.
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@SmokeDetector A bold claim!
 
Thanks a million!
 
@SmokeDetector basically... it's not your fault
!!/blame᠎ ‍‌⁣‌‌​‍
 
@double-beep It's Stack Overflow's fault.
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^^ that
 
9:57 AM
:D
That moment you find so many closeworthy questions but VTCing would be targeting a user. :[
 
Please flag the latest comment by the OP
 
from which Q?
 
The lossy one.
 
It's gone
 
Never mind, gone
He is using a misspelling, getstapo, which Queen is not picking up on
 
10:09 AM
Personally I don't understand it but from the context I can guess it's at least U/U
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels there's the @Queen report command
 
@double-beep These are available commands in this room see also quick guide for usage.
Guest
    api-quota - Get the current api quota
    commands - Display this list
    help - Display information about the chat bot
Reviewer
    remove - Remove last message or message replied to
    report url to comment - Report an offensive comment
    test Text that you like to test - Test a comment
Hammer
    k - Confirm that possible duplicate is closed
    list tags - List all tags available for opt-in in room
    f <wl> - Indicate as non duplicate if wl add also to white list
    opt-in [tag] - Add yourself to duplication notifications in tag of choice
 
Methinks any attempt of relating SO with Hitler is at least U/U.
 
@SirE_net4theDownvoter History.SE, however...
 
Unless it's with Hitler's painting skills, that would be an interesting subject.
@MichaelDodd Aye, SO != SE
 
10:11 AM
@SirE_net4theDownvoter I'm aware, just saying Godwin's Law doesn't apply equally across the network :)
 
@double-beep: am I Queen-certified? Do I have requisite permissions to make Queen commands?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels AFAIK no additional privileges are required.
 
@SirE_net4theDownvoter they need to be reviewer
 
@queen commands
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels These are available commands in this room see also quick guide for usage.
 
10:13 AM
@double-beep All righty! But it's not like SD, which requires manual permissions and the like.
 
try Queen remove perhaps?
to see if you are priv'd
 
@queen remove
 
then you are priv'd
 
@double-beep Presumably then "User >3k are added automatically, this cmd can add or update manually a users" means all users >3k have reviewer privs
 
Great. Now the question received an answer.
 
Yes
 
@NickA so, AFAIK Queen runs 2 bots: HeatDetector for detecting comments and SOCVFinder. The priv you mentioned is about SOCVFinder. For Heat, @Petter needs to add somebody as a reviewer.
@Shree yes, IMO
 
@double-beep Ahhh I see, ta
 
@double-beep no same logic, if you 3K you get auto privs also for heat cc @NickA
 
I was poking through the source but couldn't see where that check was happening :(
 
Yeah exactly if 3K you are added auto as reviewer, if you are moderator as bot owner.
 
What if the user is a mod and <3k, then they won't reach the mod check at line 293 :P
 
:) true... but on SO that's not a problem...
 
lol
 
10:36 AM
NAA flag is enough on that, user with rep
 
@PetterFriberg I think it's tpu for SD, though
 
I would only send tp, no need to blacklist user
but yeah I'm not really updated with latest feedback rules
 
oops, right
 
@PetterFriberg User is not blacklisted (10529079 on stackoverflow.com).
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by SmokeDetector
@double-beep User removed from blacklist (824903 on stackoverflow.com).
 
10:39 AM
ok thanks
 
@double-beep How very odd. Stuck with NAA rather than R/A because it's a user with good recent history, but I really wonder what's going on there. Compromised account? Misclick?
 
I suppose something with the accounts
 
cat on keyboard.. or user trying to be funny... I would not worry, mods will delete it and all can roomba...
 
 
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12:11 PM
Well that's ironic. I got a Lifeboat badge for answering a question about Lifeboat badges possibly making questions worse
 
12:37 PM
So, someone reverted my edit to this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/56398800. Now what?
I removed the Stack Snippets (since it can't run Java, for obvious reasons), and today I noticed it was added back. I'm in the middle of leaving a comment.
 
@grooveplex The author of the post did, they can do as they choose, even though it's clearly a mistake
 
@NickA you're right. I see @Adriaan just took care of it.
 
am I crazy to think this is a dupe?
 
You enjoy linking to answers instead of questions? ;p
 
haha xD lemme amend that haha
 
12:42 PM
@grooveplex Let it go. Trying to edit it again would only lead to a rollback war
 
@grooveplex just so you know: using fences (triple backticks) is bit better, especially when requiring markdown for a language not automatically enabled, like here. Adding the Java language tag makes it format nicely (see the revision history on the answer, it's difficult to do in chat)
 
@Machavity It has been resolved now =)
 
@Machavity I rolled back, since I am assuming a non conscious first time rollback due to the OP not knowing what that edit meant. I left a comment explaining why I did that, and will leave the post now. If OP edits again it's their problem.
@tripleee mega nz ?!? Wow!
 
@treyBake I'd leave it. The answers cover how to iterate the array, but the accepted answer is terrible and the simpler one doesn't deal with comparison
 
@Machavity true, but can we not just edit? I just feel really hesitant to ignore it when they're practically the same question
 
12:52 PM
Edit the answers to change the code in a non-trivial way? Again, I'd just leave it. They're close, but it's not worth a dupe
@Adriaan It's now just another file sharing service
 
1:18 PM
@SirE_net4theDownvoter OP added code, does that include an MCVE now?
 
@TylerH Doesn't seem complete to me.
 
thanks
 
2:07 PM
@SirE_net4theDownvoter That's R/A or modflag at that point I'd say
 
@MichaelDodd I just did. But I wonder if voting to delete would interfere with the flags.
 
Very tempted to go with the red flag
 
(I did the R/A one, because frankly, it's too rude and it doesn't seem salvageable anyway)
 
ok, gone in. I think the 100 point penalty is probably the more appropriate action atm
 
2:09 PM
That last sentence tempts the red flag
 
The whole rant does :|
 
Indeed. If it was just one case of "some moron downvoted", I'd roll it back. But this is too much.
 
mod stepped in
 
oh?
That's got to be a 7 day suspension at the very least
 
Welp. Sometimes I wonder why users are not punished more severely from doing these things. But I'm not a mod and I'm no position to question their actions.
 
2:20 PM
@SirE_net4theDownvoter Still deciding? -100 penalty wasn't given (despite R/A being marked helpful) and no suspension banner yet either.
 
@SirE_net4theDownvoter sometimes users lose their mind, first time they can be spared I think
with a warning obviously :P
 
 
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We can report feedback to SmokeDetector?
I was sure I asked this a week or so ago and someone said we can't do so :\
 
@Matthew Are you sure you asked the same question both times?
 
@StephenKennedy Don't quite remember, it's just a feeling
In any case, what are the commands I can use with smokey?
@SmokeDetector help
@SmokeDetector commands
 
@Matthew Can feedback be sent to Smokey? Yes, but you need to be privileged. So the answer to "can YOU feedback?" is currently no
 
Zoe
That ^
 
4:22 PM
@StephenKennedy Oh I see... okay that makes sense now.
 
@Matthew Np. Click on the Smoke Detector link for more info.
 
Gonna work on my privilege badge in the meantime.
@StephenKennedy Found the info, thanks again.
 
yw
@Makyen The Smokey privileges page doesn't appear to mention that RO-team approval is needed for SOCVR (nor SOBotics, if the same applies there?)
 
@StephenKennedy the same applies for SOBotics - you need RO or dev approval
 
@TylerH or? isn't it and? (here at least)
 
4:33 PM
@StephenKennedy in SOBotics it's or, at least that's what I was told earlier this week
probably because there's high overlap? I dunno
I don't get too in-depth with Smokey
FWIW there's a 'who to ping' FAQ that does cover it on the wiki though
 
@TylerH Maybe that covers it if the procedure is to contact SD team and then they contact us, but when I got privs here I asked Rene. No doubt Makyen will pop up at some point and tell us :)
@Zoe How did you get SD privs in this room?
 
I keep seeing answers like this quite often, any idea why this is happening on a regular basis?
Hm, there doesn't seem to be a history the original content. I am guessing the edit history doesn't display if it's done within the first minute or something.
This was the original content: "rhdrhrhsesegsegsegtsetgsetsetsetseestsetsetsetgsedtgseedgsedgysedt awe aW4 tW4 est szeyy aesr a erART SRT USTR USR dtr jdrt usrt srt"
 
@Matthew this is called "grace period", it's 5 minutes
 
@tripleee Okay, thanks
 
@StephenKennedy we should probably document conventions for individual rooms but having the doco on our side risks having it go stale when the room changes its mind
there's a comment in rooms.yml which says to not add new users without RO approval
 
Zoe
4:51 PM
@StephenKennedy I didn't?
!!/amiprivileged
 
@Zoe ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
I don't see that Zoe would have privs in this particular room
oh ^ ninja'd
 
@Zoe What?! Why hasn't this come to light before? :P
 
@StephenKennedy I happen to be an RO here ...
 
having privs in CHQ makes it rather redundant to also have them here
 
Zoe
4:54 PM
@StephenKennedy It has. Several times.
 
@rene That's why I asked you :/
@rene You're an RO in SOBotics too
 
@StephenKennedy before you want to commit you have to read past a reminder: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/rooms.yml#L450
 
@tripleee That's a good point. Perhaps a link to our FAQ section would be appropriate?
@tripleee For the user yes, but not necessarily for the room. Of course I have no data on whether in-room feedback helps SOCVR users decide whether they need to review the post or not, but I feed back in-room if nobody else has in the expectation that it does help.
@rene Ah I think I see your point now. You are both RO and have commit rights at Charcoal :) Sorry for being dense.
 
@StephenKennedy Remember: I'm a special flower ...
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@rene In many ways! :)
 
5:15 PM
@StephenKennedy @TylerH Yeah, the need for RO approval should be mentioned for both SOCVR and SOBotics in SD's wiki. I'll add something to the SD docs, unless someone else is already working on it. It is covered in SOCVR's FAQ. I use the fact that the person knows they need to ping an RO to ask as an indicator that they have read the FAQ, which usually makes me look more favorably upon such requests. :-;
Is someone else already working on editing the SD docs?
 
@Makyen Rene's an RO here, apparently, so he might be ;)
 
@StephenKennedy True, and I probably should have pinged @rene @tripleee @Zoe too, as any of them could be working on it. However, I started my response prior to reading the full transcript and failed to go back and add additional people to ping. :-)
 
@Makyen yup
 
@tripleee OK, then I'll just close those tabs. :-)
 
Can I ask here about question review? It got a -1 and was flagged as too broad, but I've edited it now and would be really happy if you could take a look, meaby? ( basically I'm blocked from asking any new questions ) If I can't ask for that here just tell me ( pls don't flag me )
 
5:21 PM
@Angramme You can ask about that in here. Just put something in front of your link so it doesn't onebox please
 
@Machavity or maybe it's time to finally stop catering to Rene's triggers :P
 
That answer spam flag I mentioned got rejected after (I assume) the user removed his post. Now I am wondering if the moderators can see the self-edits that happen within the grace period?
 
@Machavity I don't understand what do you mean by something, I'm new to the chat thing, thanks
 
Zoe
5:23 PM
@Makyen what type of docs?
 
@tripleee That explains it, but that makes flagging spams a bit more risky as you never know when these posts might be self-removed and your flag rejected.
 
@Zoe IIRC, the last time it was discussed, you said you didn't want SD privileges in SOCVR. If you do want them, you can ask. Admittedly, it's come up enough times such that I'm almost at the point of just doing it, so we don't have people asking why you don't have them every time.
 
@Angramme just a link produces a big thing called a onebox, we don't want those
 
@Angramme Say something and then add your link. Pasting your link by itself causes issues
 
5:25 PM
There you go
 
@Matthew Nobody can see grace period edits. As far as I recall, grace period edits completely overwrite the original version in the database and no record is kept.
 
@Machavity btw, I love TF2 too
 
Zoe
@Makyen I don't need it really
 
@Angramme the edit is an improvement but it still seems too broad and asking for opinions (though not a C++ person)
 
@Zoe We were discussing the privileges and who to ping pages for SD/Charcoal.
 
5:26 PM
@Makyen Is there any incentive for me to flag spam posts then if I suspect they will be self-edited?
 
@Matthew It's a known issue
 
why would you suspect that?
 
Zoe
@Matthew leave a comment, digital trail created
 
@Zoe I know you don't need it. It's really a question of do you not want it and would it be convenient to have it.
 
@Zoe Oh I like that idea, so copy the contents of the spam answer inside a comment?
 
Zoe
5:27 PM
@Matthew no?
 
@tripleee ok, what do I change then? I mean I'm kinda asking for an opinion because 1. I'm new to C++ 2. It's related to code architecture and how you would structure your data, I don't see how to ask it differently
 
Zoe
Write something like "flagged as spam". It's enough to break the grace period
 
@Zoe Why are you answering with a question?
 
@Angramme then it really is off-topic meta.stackexchange.com/questions/199773/…
 
Zoe
@Matthew I am?
 
5:28 PM
@Zoe Yea most of the times actually :D
 
wait, that's not a good link, let me find you a better one
 
Zoe
@Matthew are you sure? 🤔
 
@Zoe Can you explain this in more depth?
 
Zoe
@Matthew anything specific?
 
5:30 PM
@Zoe So once I make a comment on an answer the grace period ends?
And then I suppose any self-edits will be documented
 
Zoe
@Matthew yep.
 
@Matthew Normally we just flag. As you've found out, you can leave a comment, which will stop the grace period.
 
@Makyen @Zoe Yea it's a great way of handling this issue.
 
Zoe
@Makyen what needs to be done exactly?
 
@tripleee Ok I changed it so it is purely related to the performance of each way of storing the data, that is, I'm simply asking which way is the most performance friendly, Is it still off topic?
 
5:35 PM
@Machavity Thank you for this link, I found it informative.
 
@Zoe @tripleee indicated they were editing the pages, so I just closed the tabs I had open to do the edits. In other words, I believe it's covered. I was just checking to see if someone was already working on it, prior to me duplicating work already in progress. If you're wondering about SD privileges in SOCVR, then you just have to ask, or, for you, indicate that you've changed from "I don't want them".
 
@Angramme much better but perhaps you should still answer the questions in the comments - or at least quantify what actual problem you are seeing
 
Zoe
I was asking about the docs. If that's the case, I misunderstood ^^"
 
I posted a diff above, the change is fairly small and just defers to any individual room's policy
not sure I put it in the best possible place but now at least we mention it
16 mins ago, by tripleee
hope this is sufficient https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/wiki/Privileges/_compare/ebd6cddc44d619776ce631cc692ce31f5a84d7bf...ba285f28adda52f6df6216209381c99b5e2275bc
 
@tripleee Looks good.
 
5:41 PM
thanks
 
@tripleee nope it is awesome
 
@tripleee Thanks a lot!
 
@rene you took it away!
 
@tripleee ohhh, you almost at swag-rights. Will you leave us after that? Leave the plebeians to squabble amongst themselves?
 
@Adriaan not currently in the plans but I do notice that my behavior on the network changes as I achieve various rep goals etc and find new things to pursue
not leaving Charcoal any time soon and with that I think it's safe to say I will still be here too
 
5:43 PM
@tripleee Hey tripleee, i think hey likes it! Mikey rene likes it!
 
I'm resisting the temptation to find a cartoon answer
stackoverflow.com/help/privileges?tab=all doesn't say anything about 100k, shouldn't it be there?
 
@tripleee Yes, thank you
 
@tripleee so now I wait for someone to reevaluate my answer?
 
@Angramme probably several people in addition to myself have probably reviewed it when you brought it up here, my advice would still be to address the comments before I am prepared to upvote and nominate for reopening
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/291791/… says nothing real happens in terms of privileges so maybe not (why did I think I would finally be able to nominate synonyms in places where they are needed but nobody has the rep?)
 
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Q: Should we burninate the [lfs] tag?

Chris J. BreischI try to answer Linux From Scratch questions when I can. I've run through the book several times over the years, and know it pretty well. So, I search for questions with the lfs tag. Lately, however, I'm finding lots of questions tagged lfs that are really related to Git LFS. I've edited about 20...

 
6:02 PM
I answered the comments on my post.
@tripleee Is there still something wrong?
 
@Angramme it needs time. No one is paid on SO to look at posts.
 
@rene ok, thanks I will wait :)
 
@Makyen you around? I think there might be a bug with the URRS script, probably due to a change on SO's side, though.
 
@TylerH What's the issue?
 
Searching for cv-pls opens search in a new window and loads results but then immediately clears out all results and shows 0
even if I change the parameters to show things like completed ones, etc.
aaand now it's working again, wth
 
6:16 PM
@TylerH That's weird. It works for me.
 
Hmm, the URL is different between my two attempts. First one was https://chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=cv-pls&user=&room=41570. The second one was lacking the &user=. But reloading the original URL also works now.
I think it was an SO dev messing with production stuff. Or caching, of course.
 
Is there something I can do with a duplicate question? Is is legal to replace it's content with a completly different qusetion?
 
@Angramme It's unclear what exactly you mean. Is this a question that you asked, that has been closed as a duplicate?
 
@TylerH Yes, it has been closed as a duplicate, and It is really a duplicate, I just couldn't find anything prior to asking it, here it is: stackoverflow.com/questions/56506105/…
 
@Angramme No. You should not completely replace a question with a different question, particularly if it's already answered.
 
6:20 PM
@Makyen ok, so I just leave it.
 
@Angramme While it's somewhat less bad to change it if it hasn't been answered and is only closed, doing so is unlikely to end well. If it's closed as a duplicate, you should just leave it. Changing it would make things confusing. Duplicates serve a purpose. They are signposts that let other people find the answers on the duplicate-target.
 
@Makyen ok I see that makes sense, it's useful to others that there is a duplicate question that makes it easier to find the answer. Too bad StackExchange punishes me for asking it, and blocks me from asking new questions (don't take it personally I'm angry at the site)
 
@Angramme The exact formula for how much anything affects the question ban is secret, which only SE employees might know. Given your visible history, I suspect you have multiple deleted posts that are significantly contributing to the ban.
 
M-M
6:45 PM
@DeveshKumarSingh I don't see a dupe for this: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=46530321#46530321
cc: @Machavity
 
Yeah, without a dupe target we can't really vote on that
@DeveshKumarSingh If you want to open a new CV for that with a dupe target, feel free
 
@M-M there was a dupe target and it was closed but then reopened by PM2Ring in response to comments and edits
 
Actually, the timeline for that question indicates it was closed at least in part as a result of that cv-pls and then hammered open. The request is actually complete.
ninja'd
 
@Makyen though the timeline link is rendered as if it were the question itself with the room userscript (forget what it's called)
 
M-M
@tripleee ok, then we need to do something about the unclosed requests script so it won't show these ones
 
6:55 PM
@tripleee Yes, the URRS, changes bare URL links into question titles, unless you've disabled that feature in the options.
 
should I submit a bug report?
 
@M-M The Archiver would have removed it, if it had been run while the question was closed. None of the scripts look at the post timeline to see if the request has been completed and then reversed.
 
M-M
@Makyen makes sense
 
github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/issues/167 URRS: don't reformat posts/xxx/timeline links
 
7:02 PM
@tripleee I'm not sure what the bug would be. You could post a feature request that the Archiver take into account the timeline. But, it's not a bug that the scripts work of of the current state of the question. It might be beneficial for the Archiver to check timelines to look for reversal, which could be done.
 
what I had in mind is something much simpler ^
 
@M-M Yes PM2Ring reopened it
 
7:47 PM
Is there any way I can encourage roomba to delete this question?
I am thinking of downvoting both the question and answer, would that help?
 
Zoe
If it has an answer, roomba won't get it if it isn't closed
If it is closed, roomba won't get it if it's closed as a dupe and has answers.
Otherwise, it won't roomba if the question has > -1 (possibly > 0) and at least one answer with > 0 score
 
@Zoe I know for the last one
 
Zoe
an accepted answer cancels roomba regardless of score
So no, downvoting won't help
 
So that question would need to be closed as a non-dupe
@Zoe That question in particular doesn't have an accepted answer
 
Zoe
But it's not closed, and has an answer, and does therefore not qualify.
If it's closed and the scores stay the same, it'll roomba 10 days after being closed
 
7:53 PM
FYI - Keep meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/307009/… in mind -- downvoting posts purely in order to qualify them for Roomba is not OK
 
@TylerH I've read another meta post about downvoting so they can be closed in some fashion, I forgot about the specifics. Most people agreed that it's acceptable in that situation but that seems to be a different situation.
 
@Matthew You can downvote if you're wanting to make the Q or A eligible for 20k deletion See this Meta
 
@Machavity That's the post I was referencing, thank you
 
You have to have some reasonable belief it's going to reach the threshold, tho. If it's a high scoring post, it might not help
 
@Machavity But can I link answers here with a cv-del request?
The question/answer in question is over one year old and has 0 votes
 
7:59 PM
@Matthew if it's eligible for deletion by either 20k+ or 10k+ users, you can post a del-pls/delv-pls request, Yes.
If it's ineligible, you may not post one (and the URRS script will show that it's ineligible)
 
Zoe
@TylerH This one isn't closed (no del-pls), and has no recent activity (no cv-pls)
 
@Matthew If you are voting on the content of the post, then feel free to vote how you feel is appropriate, based on that content. Where it's a problem is if the voting is for reasons other than the content of the post. Such non-content reasons could be the user that posted it (common for serial downvoting), to cause the post to be deleted (e.g. the meta about not downvoting to Roomba), etc.
 
@Makyen Well of course I am voting on the merits of the post itself.
You guys thought me that we moderate content not users here...
 
@Zoe So then it's ineligible :-)
 
@Matthew Good. Given that there are multiple metas, I was just trying to state a generalized position. :-)
 
8:14 PM
@Makyen I still can't fathom a situation where a question deserves deletion but not a downvote
 
@JohnDvorak The specific issue that was brought up in Clean-up by downvoting? A ridiculous user experience was that people were downvoting an answer in order to have the Roomba delete the question. In addition, it was being done in an organized manner. Neither of those things were/are acceptable.
 
ah, this edge case
though you can still argue that any answer to a bad question shouldn't have been posted.
 
@JohnDvorak The other meta, Downvote in order to be able to vote to delete. Is it acceptable?, covered the issue of downvoting a post you feel should be deleted. The answer was basically that if you felt the post should be deleted, then it certainly should be worthy of a downvote and asked why haddn't you already done so?
@JohnDvorak While I agree that the vast majority of bad questions shouldn't be answered. Using that as the reason to downvote an answer is, at best, a grey area. I know people do it, but it's not really a good sole reason to be downvoting an answer. Ideally, voting should be for content, not meta reasons.
 
 
9:25 PM
Hi. I've been reading ~5 MetaSO posts about flags aging away and I kept seeing recommendations directing people to SOCVR. I was planning on asking about some flags on Meta until I saw these. After reading meta.stackoverflow.com/a/297680/8239061, I flagged stackoverflow.com/q/54700435/8239061 but it aged away. Did I do something wrong?
I'm aware of ~7 other posts where I thought my flag was inline with community guidance but yet they aged away. Should I post on Meta with the full list? Ask about them each here?
(I did complete the Tour at socvr.org and this seemed like a good location to ask this question)
 
@SecretAgentMan If your flags aged away, the first step would be to reflag
Flags for closure (e.g. "it's unclear what you're asking" for that Guacamole recording link) send posts to the close vote review queue, which has several thousand posts in it
Because of this, it's common for such flags or close votes to age away at times
That's one of the major reasons for this room's existence: to bring a focused lens on questions that might otherwise slip through our quality filters
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Do keep in mind that even if flags age away for such questions, it's likely they will get cleaned up by the Roomba - a process that deletes old, abandoned/unanswered/low quality questions
For everything else there's MasterCard you can consider participating in this room, where as you see the most egregious posts appear, you can post them here in our format (e.g. ).
 
Thanks @TylerH
 
We do have some stipulations for posting them; check out the SOCVR FAQ for that.
 
Finally hit 25k today. The analytics are... meh
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9:40 PM
I just skimmed but will need to read over the entire SOCVR FAQ so I follow guidelines. I'm sure it will explain how to draw the [cv-pls] button. Just to be clear, I should wait ~14 days and reflag each one? (despite clear Meta guidance on how they are to be handled)
 
@Machavity wait til you hit 50k. That's when the secret!!11one! analytics reveal themselves
 
@Machavity Heh. You're not the first person I've heard say that, but congrats on the milestone anyway \o/
 
like how many times Shog rewrites his Meta posts before submitting them
@SecretAgentMan yes, wait til you can reflag, and then do so. As for the button, use this formatting: [tag:cv-pls]
 
@TylerH I heard he rewrites them like 9 times
 
@Machavity We must have the same source
 
9:43 PM
@TylerH, thank you for the coaching session. Will do.
 
@SecretAgentMan Welcome
 
M-M
10:10 PM
@StephenKennedy @TylerH shady, do you have two accounts?
 
@M-M Would the real Slim Shady please stand up?
 
M-M
@StephenKennedy am I the only one here not getting your, I assumed, jokes?
#GenuineQuestion
 
@M-M My message was to Secret Agent Man was a welcome to the room; it had nothing to do with Tyler's messages. My reply to you is a lyric from a song by Eminem. I have only one account.
* "was to" should read "to". Darn typos spotted after the edit window has closed! :(
 
M-M
@StephenKennedy well... I was joking with you and Tyler saying yw to a msg thanking Tyler.
probably it's me coming late to the party
 
10:51 PM
@Machavity Congrats
 
@Nkosi 125k vs 25k vs 8k - I know my place
 
bravo
lol
I know my place vs Skeet. rofl
 
lol, don't we all
 
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