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@גלעדברקן That it might be from a contest is not a relevant closure reason. Please cite a normal closure reason when requesting CVs
 
 
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3:21 AM
This older question got linked from a more recent one: stackoverflow.com/q/53641032/1394393. I'm inclined to think it out to be closed as Too Broad, as it's essentially asking a question about every possible module that could become commonplace. It just doesn't seem like a good question for SO. But I'm interested in a second opinion before I cast a vote.
 
4:01 AM
@jpmc26 I agree that it's vaguely problematic but I would not go so far as propose a close and the answer ia actually pretty good
 
5:37 AM
 
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6:05 AM
^NOT targeting the user BTW, I encountered both questions organically due to them both being on the same page in the tag
Also, previous one should actually be 10k, not 20k
 
They would roomba but well yeah when on it...
 
@Machavity Does trying to use reprex to parse HTML still summon corrupt entities?
@PetterFriberg Yeah, first one's still on the second page in the Java tag and the first page in the C++ tag though - it's still pretty visible (even though it's downvoted and closed)
 
 
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8:15 AM
@dandan78 shouldn't that be caught by Smokey for usage of the word "[i/I]ndia"?
 
 
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9:36 AM
Bah, ONE character over the comment-length :(
(Actually 2 if you include the final full stop)
Why doesn't [help/promotion] link to stackoverflow.com/help/promotion?
 
Zoe
9:55 AM
@Adriaan dunno, but you can shorten it down with [text](/help/promotion)
 
@Zoe oh? Good to know, thanks!
 
Zoe
@Adriaan Np ^^ Also works with other links, but a lot of them have shortcuts
 
10:11 AM
@Zoe yea, I hoped for the shortcut. Oh well, to late to fix my comment (it even has been deleted by now), but I'll remember for next time
 
Zoe
What're the shortcuts called again? I remember the magic part, but that's it xD
 
10:31 AM
 
10:41 AM
^ The recent SD link is not spam, it is a NAA trying to reply to (potential, old) spam.
 
yeah, I thought it repeated the above answer, but missed the quotes
 
11:34 AM
 
@Makyen: this deleted answer has been wrongly categorised as spam, when in fact is was an NAA attempt to reply to another answer: stackoverflow.com/a/56324369/472495. Does that matter?
(In other words, does the spam flag hurt them in a way that NAA would not?)
 
@halfer Yes, a successful spam flag comes with a penalty: -100 iirc
(Bear in mind I can't see deleted posts)
 
@halfer That answer was deleted by a moderator normally, but with the spam flags not cleared. In such case, there is no penalty, but the content is still hidden behind the spam/R/A click-through to the hidden content. There is only a penalty if the post is actually deleted as spam. If it is deleted as spam, then it will be deleted and locked by the Community user.
 
^ That's why my disclaimer was important :)
 
@StephenKennedy Answer was this one: imgur.com/a/IBfnk0m
@Makyen OK, as long as the user is not harmed by the classification (they may not come back, but we don't know as this point).
Thanks both.
 
11:44 AM
@halfer Why edit that? The link was still spam and, IMO, was better hidden.
 
@Makyen The lack of quote formatting caused me to miscategorise it initially, and I thought it would be helpful to any spam/NAA discussion to clarify it. It's deleted, so the edit does no harm
 
Zoe
@tripleee OP edited. Does it look better now?
 
reopened
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy That's only if Community deletes it
I think
So if a non-Community mod deletes it and validates spam flags, that doesn't carry the penalty, but leaves the "this post was marked as spam" warning. If a mod flags as spam, that's a binding flag that causes Community to delete and give the -100 rep penalty
 
when a mod deletes the post, spam flags are marked helpful and there are no penalties
however, I think that if a mod marks spam flags as helpful and then deleted, then the user is penalized.
 
Zoe
12:00 PM
Wouldn't manually marking helpful trigger Community deletion?
 
not necessarily (I think)
 
Zoe
So the general conclusion is: spam deletion is confusing.
 
@Zoe That's correct. If it's deleted as actual spam, then, yes, it shows as having been deleted by Community and locked by Community. Here is an example of a post that was deleted by a moderator with a spam flag (>10k rep required). cc @halfer
 
@Zoe Yes I know, but how am I supposed to know who deleted it?! I was advising wrt the case where spam flags caused the deletion :)
("Get more rep". Yes I know that too :))
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy well, you could post stuff on main and get to 10k rep... ;)
 
12:04 PM
grrr :P
 
how about start posting spam posts to discover the spam system? :P
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^ lateral thinking. +1 from me.
 
Just see Beep get -100 penalty , and get message from shog Don't test how spam system works . Next time if you try , get -500 penalty. :D
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lol
 
Zoe
@double-beep +1 very great post
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12:18 PM
@Zoe can't believe that I got rick rolled in 2019
 
Zoe
I don't know what you're talking about.
 
Ehm, clearly not rick-rolled. Good answer cough
 
This one is suspicious. What is our usual stance on no-code firebase questions?
 
Zoe
@E_net4 isn't that more customer support?
 
@Zoe I don't know firebase, but I did find it suspicious.
 
Zoe
12:32 PM
I went with no MCVE because of the lack of code, but if it is tied to the server issues, that seems more like customer support
 
@Zoe @StephenKennedy @Shree +1 to you too for your post. Sorry for VTC'ing it! :(
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Zoe
@double-beep 1337 h4xx0r p0s1 21 mi77 r3p pl0x
 
@Zoe 1337 h4xx0r p0s1 21 mi77 r3p pl0x to you, too!
 
Zoe
@double-beep n0 1337 sp33k? :p
 
How do people whose questions were deleted get out of a question ban?
I assume that having a question deleted for reasons of moderation contributes to a question ban, right?
 
@EJoshuaS you find them, edit them into shape, hopefully they get undeleted and you're set. More realistically: you get a new question every 6 months, regardless of your ban. Then when that question is well received, the ban slowly diminishes. If the new question is bad on the other hand, it's immediately back to 6 months of nothing, and then a single question again and again until the end of time (or you manage to ask enough good questions to never hit the ban again)
 
Zoe
1:37 PM
good point
 
2:48 PM
Why Burnination-Feed post that deleted question ? Not new burn request . Confuse .
 
Zoe
@Shree because it's tagged [burninate-request]
The feed doesn't care if it's on-topic on meta or even a burn request, it just looks for stuff on the tag and posts it
 
^^ ohh . OK. Feed don't care about closed or not ?
 
Zoe
It wasn't closed when it was posted
But no
 
ok. thanks.
 
3:06 PM
 
folks: stackoverflow.com/q/56318220/1849664 was closed for being non-English, want to take a look at whether it should be reopened?
 
Should we this tag? Discuss here
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@HovercraftFullOfEels ^ Have you got a moment to look at the Java q above?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis As well (see Undo's line)
 
3:21 PM
Voted to re-open
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy , , , , boom
 
ejects the talking fox from the room
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Zoe
Good thing I'm not a fox then ;)
 
3:49 PM
@Machavity could reopen but then reclose for other reasons :(
 
ping Undo
 
We should have a room rule that we can eject talking foxes who say they are not foxes.
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Zoe
4:15 PM
@halfer can I call animal protective services now?
 
4:53 PM
@Zoe No foxes were harmed in the making of this ejection
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Zoe
5:07 PM
@halfer #VirtualFoxLivesMatter
 
@Zoe I wonder if there is a virtual animal protective services?
We joke about it, but when an AI is afraid of dying - if we can get there - it will happen.
Civil rights for robots.
 
Zoe
@halfer There's the secret virtual animal protective services. Speaking of which, you're under arrest.
:p
 
If I am under virtual arrest, I can cope :-)
Virtually under arrest, but not quite.
 
5:47 PM
 
Zoe
@halfer Just ask Stephen if you don't believe me ;)
 
6:11 PM
Funnily, the person who voted to close the question, also answered it! (It is the accepted answer as well...)
 
6:29 PM
Just FYI: At the moment, it appears the SE API is much slower than normal to update its data. This results in the URRS showing status information that is out of date, for at least some posts, by up to a couple/few minutes. It also affects the Archiver, which may not detect some requests as complete, if the request has very recently been completed (e.g. very recently closed).
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6:51 PM
@Makyen it is approximately 6 to 8 behind ...
 
@rene :-)
 
7:17 PM
@Makyen I had meant to mention the APi was acting screwy yesterday too
 
@Machavity In the same way, or something different? In other words, should we be concerned that this is a new normal, or just intermittent problems?
 
I assume Nick is still investigating the run-away threads. .Net-core 3.0 load beta testing
@Shree the user is blacklisted.
 
Ya but smokey get fp feed back.
 
@Shree That post was undeleted by a moderator who, then edited it. The portion removed does not appear to actually be part of the answer, more meta information. That edit doesn't really look like it's removing pertinent information to me.
 
@Makyen The del-pls problem returned. Nailed all the CVs but no dels
 
7:28 PM
Hypothetically, if I find a user who has only two questions and both are blatantly off-topic (but not spam), both posted three weeks ago, and one of them even has an upvote and an answer, what should I do?
 
@Machavity Hmmm... I'm not too surprised at that being a symptom. One of the posts I saw with significantly delayed SE API data update was one that was deleted. The SE API continued to return data for the post for a considerable time after it was deleted. Normally, a deleted post immediately returns no data from the SE API. Getting no data is actually how you have to detect deletion.
 
@PeterHaddad Can you edit to add a reason for the request?
 
@AndrewMyers flag them? What else do you need to do? Check when the upvotes were cast from the post's timeline. If they were cast the same day, a mod-flag might be a good idea.
 
8:37 PM
@AndrewMyers Vote/flag to close. I'd probably downvote (which will cause the one with no upvote and no answer to be Roomba'd in a week). I might consider a cv-pls on the one that has an answer, but 3 weeks is a bit old for a cv-pls. I would not mod-flag. There is, however, the general user-targeting issue, but that will depend mostly on how you found these questions and why you know that the user only has two questions (implies that you went to their profile to look for other posts).
 
@Makyen flag to close. The user has <3k rep.
 
@double-beep Thanks. I didn't check their rep.
 
\o night
 
9:04 PM
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I asked a question which was a mistake from my end (code wise), admitted this directly after people commented about certain things. Unfortunately I cannot delete the question since there's an answer on it. But I keep getting downvotes, even after it was already put on hold and a day later. Is there a way this question can be deleted or closed? stackoverflow.com/questions/56317234/…
 
@Erfan You have 5.5K rep, so I think there's no danger of a question ban :-)
I can't imagine that it will go past -4, but don't worry if it does. Currently that is a grand total of 8 lost points - not worth worrying about.
... especially since you've answered ~10 questions in the last 24 hours, with +173 rep points.
 
@halfer but why was it put on 'on hold', since I explained in the comments that it was mistake from my end, shouldnt it be closed? "On hold" implies I might make an edit, but this was not the case. Or am I seeing it completely wrong? I'm not too updated about the rules on SO, apologies.
 
9:20 PM
@Erfan It was closed as "unclear", but the comments indicate that given it was a trivial error in retrospect, it could now be closed as "typo/unreproducible". So, it is probably OK that it is closed.
(Closed/on-hold are the same thing here - the latter was conceived as a kinder way of putting it).
I think a 20k user could start a vote to delete on it, but I am not a 20k user, so could not say.
 
I see, thanks for the explanation. Wish it was just deleted since there's no value in this question and seeing the minus points come in just feels like Im being punished for making a mistake, while I spend daily free time here helping people.
Again thanks for your time and explanation :)
 
@Erfan I agree a tiny bit, but I think you are worrying too much. You're a millionaire whose day was ruined by accidentally dropping some coins into a drain :=p
(For what it is worth, I tend not to recommend complaining about votes in the comments, and definitely don't edit such complaints into posts - that tends to attract more downvotes!)
 
Hehe thanks for the kind words and for the advice. Will just leave this be I guess. Have a nice day! @halfer
 
@Erfan You too. Perhaps a 20k user in this channel will ping you if they are minded to delete.
 
 
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10:52 PM
Currently can't use my leftmost keys on this laptop because cat is sleeping on the edge of it :=)
(See avatar)
 
11:33 PM
Can there be an "are you kidding me?" button for reviews like this one?
 

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