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1:54 AM
Is this question valid?
 
 
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3:34 AM
I've never used Zalgo text here, but I find the recently-imposed ban on it reprexive.
 
3:57 AM
@JimGarrison That isn't eligible for deletion by anyone other than a diamond, right?
B/c it needs to either have a score of -3 or be closed for at least 2 days
 
@EJoshuaS Ah, I see. I will come back to it in a few days. Thx.
 
Yeah, I have it favorited to del-pls too - I agree that it needs to go, both the question and the answers are terrible.
All of the answers are link-only
 
Do I need to ask a RO to remove my request?
 
@JimGarrison Got it. Thanks for remembering that pinging an RO helps.
 
4:25 AM
Should this be closed? (It's being used to justify this off-topic post).
 
@EJoshuaS I agree, it is clearly OT now, was probably OT back in '14 as well.
 
@JimGarrison Yeah, I think so too. It's being used to justify another off-topic post, too (which is why I posted it here).
 
Please don't pile on downvotes. An old question that was recently mentioned in here has received 4 downvotes in the last hour or two. While the question is debatably off-topic, we shouldn't be piling on downvotes, just because something is now off-topic due to a change in site policies.
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Note: I forgot about Shog9's exception for official documentation requests. I feel it could be edited into just being a request for official documentation.
 
4:43 AM
@Makyen In general, does the FAQ's prohibition against requesting downvotes extend to requesting that people refrain from downvoting?
 
4:58 AM
@EJoshuaS That question is well on its way to being similar to the question covered in: Clean-up by downvoting? A ridiculous user experience. It's clear that ROs here need to do what they can to prevent that sort of thing from happening. So, yes, it's reasonable for me to remind people not to pile on downvotes.
 
@Makyen The question won't Roomba even if its score hits 0 because it has an accepted answer, so I'm not sure how that Meta post applies.
 
@EJoshuaS You, and others, have already expressed a desire and intent to delete the question. Downvoting sufficiently allows that to happen more rapidly, and gives a similar experience to the user on the receiving end of the downvotes.
 
@Makyen The discussion there was that we should wait for it to be eligible for 10k deletion, not that we should downvote it into oblivion so that it can become eligible for 20k deletion sooner.
 
@EJoshuaS BTW: That question doesn't have a new answer, but you stated that it was NATO in your `cv-pls. I'm wondering why you mention NATO?
@EJoshuaS The issue in Clean-up by downvoting? A ridiculous user experience was a ridiculous user experience of getting a flurry of downvotes on a post that was inactive for years. Yes, the situations are a bit different, but the user experience is quite similar.
 
5:15 AM
My understanding of that Meta post is that it's specifically referring to not downvoting just to make something Roomba.
I guess you could argue about whether downvoting just to make something 20k eligible is better, but I think that that question should be downvoted on the merits of it.
 
@EJoshuaS Why? What is wrong with the question? It asks where the user can find information about 68k assembly language. The question is from 2009. My understanding is that such questions were OK at that time. The top two answers give the location of an official source.
The only difference between that question and the resource request questions which Shog9 has specifically asked that we not close is that the question doesn't specifically say it's looking for an official source, and the existing negative scored answer prevents us from editing the question to be asking for only an official source, because that negative scored answer would be invalidated.
 
The answers are little more than links. Ordinarily, I'd say that it's not the OP's fault that the answers are bad, but in this case that's exactly what the OP was asking for. He even accepted an answer that's little more than a link.
 
The link is the answer, not a link to an answer
 
^ that.
 
5:28 AM
It is technically an answer because that's what the OP was looking for, it's just not a very good answer. See: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?
The problem here is that the OP was kind of asking for bad answers.
This kind of falls under the category of "Suggest me some tutorials where i can learn quick" type questions that the linked Meta post refers to. In those cases, it's kind of the question's fault that the answers are so bad because that's what the OP asked for, so the entire thing should be closed.
 
@EJoshuaS Now I have to say that I feel you are misunderstanding that Q&A. The OP was asking for resources. They were not asking for the actual information (which would be way to large for an SO question). The links to the information was what the question OP wanted, which is what the answers gave.
 
The difference here is that the OP is looking for official sources, so there's no room for spam
 
Unless I'm missing something, I don't think that the OP actually specifies official sources.
All he says is "Does anyone know where I can find this information elsewhere?" Just "elsewhere" - nothing about it being an official source.
 
@EJoshuaS No, they don't, but it's quite close. If the negatively scored answer, which could have been considered spam, as it was using a link with tracking/affiliate information, did not exist, we could edit the question into requesting just official sources.
 
So theoretically, could we delete that answer, edit the question, and then re-open it?
Well, technically I can't since I'm under 20k still (and I can't NAA flag it because it technically is an answer), but I guess people that have 20k+ rep.
 
5:41 AM
@EJoshuaS Yes, without that answer the question could be edited to requesting only official sources, which would put it clearly under what Shog9 had in mind.
 
Yeah, that would be an improvement. At a minimum, it would stop it from being a "Suggest me some tutorials where i can learn quick" type situation (which it currently is).
 
@EJoshuaS While I agree the question doesn't currently qualify for the Shog9 exception, I wouldn't say that it's all that bad. The question, at least to me, reads as the person asking for documentation, not just "some tutorials where i can learn quick". Maybe that's just a question of degree, but I have more respect for someone asking for the documentation, and accepting the answer of the official programing reference manual, than for asking for "some tutorials where i can learn quick".
 
6:34 AM
@JohnDvorak thanks. Cody re-closed it.
 
6:51 AM
 
7:22 AM
@Makyen You can eliminate this request this request, I want to change the closing reason because the OP has provided an MCVE but it turns out that the question is a duplicate
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
 
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8:53 AM
Is this too broad?
(And morning all)
 
 
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10:26 AM
@eyllanesc isn't this targeting the user? (BTW, it is unclear IMO)
 
@double-beep No, just point out that it's the same user.
 
eh, I meant you have two cv-pls's where the OP is the same user
 
@double-beep The OP has had a problem and it seems that due to ignorance he has repeatedly published the same question (each time giving more detail).
 
hmmm.... closing the Qs won't help. I'd suggest mod-flagging
 
@double-beep It is also another way, and I think it is the shortest and correct way, I did not think about it, and if it causes disturbance my request can be eliminated by an RO.
 
10:34 AM
FWIW I mod-flagged
 
@double-beep Thanks, I had done it a moment ago and it seems that a moderator has already taken care of that.
 
yeah, flag marked helpful 1 min ago
 
Zoe
11:01 AM
@halfer It's definitely not too broad, but it seems to lack a MCVE
 
12:07 PM
Hey, does anyone have the guidance on which resource questions are okay? I can remember something with Shog9 telling us that we do allow some resource requests but can't find it anywhere
 
@ErikA asking for where the official documentation can be found is one exception
 
Ah, I was wondering to close or answer this one, but I guess answering is the right course of action then
 
12:40 PM
@Machavity that Won't last long ...
 
Zoe
@double-beep If it is, that would be really deprexing news.
But yeah, TB
 
mod-flagged
 
@Zoe Thanks, I will go with your suggestion
 
@double-beep Did you just close this question after following the link I've provided, just after a RO said these kind of questions are okay? If so, could you explain why?
 
no
I didn't even read what was said above
just found it in a person's review history
 
1:37 PM
Ah, okay then. We really could use some meta post/public official guidance for questions like that, might write a question up later. If not you, then someone else would've probably closed it anyway
 
what's the meta post about it? (if any)
 
@double-beep There's no real one afaik, only messages in chat, so I can't link anything :(. That's why I'm considering asking one
 
@ErikA I have VTR, now, I didn't know this kind of questions are on-topic. It seemed to request a tutorial.
 
1:54 PM
Yeah, the stupid thing is: I wouldn't know either if I didn't see a starred message in SOCVR a couple of months ago stating it. So to anyone that didn't see it it's still off-topic I guess
 
2:43 PM
Sigh. Somebody really didn't like a question I put quite a bit of work into answering, so one downvote and the author deleted it. Somebody needs to tell him this doesn't help his rep. stackoverflow.com/q/56310482/14768
 
@Joshua frustrating to say the least
 
Thing is, after his clarification in comments, it's actually worth an upvote now. Figures by the time I get in it's deleted.
 
@Joshua try again
 
Upvoted. Thanks. I was about to flag so that a mod could ping the user and explain why deleting questions that get downvotes is a bad idea. After looking at this network profile, I thought this would actually be effective.
 
question looks okay. No need to delete it.
 
2:57 PM
Oh ...
 
3:15 PM
@ErikA What's an "RO"?
 
@snakecharmerb Room owner, anyone with a name in italics
 
Room Owner
 
3:33 PM
Question, once I complete a cleanup, shall I vote to close my Meta-post, flag for , or leave it like that? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/351547/…
 
@Cœur Imho it should be marked as completed, and as the wiki says "Red status tags can only be applied by moderators and site developers" you'll have to flag. Just my 2c, am not a meta hound.
 
This room, in general, has a pretty severe metaphobia
 
@ErikA Shog9's chat comments on this are: the Shog9 exception for official download location requests
 
3:49 PM
^ That ought to be a meta though. Just my 2c, am not a meta hound :)
 
@StephenKennedy I agree. I've been saying that since it was first posted. It really needs to be a meta that's written by Shog9.
 
@Makyen I've been saying the same. Perhaps if Erik asks (assuming he hasn't already - I've been watching the grand prix) Shog might answer?
 
@StephenKennedy Maybe, but it would be a lot better if it started with Shog. We've always had the ability to start a meta on it, but it's really Shog's position and the meta starting with him carries more weight.
 
4:16 PM
 
 
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6:12 PM
Morning all /o
 
\o
 
6:52 PM
@StephenKennedy I've asked a question. Now we wait... Or, it's at least more findable than a specific chat message.
 
7:20 PM
 
8:19 PM
hmm... I thought there was more than that. Probably operator error - my apologies.
 
there must be more, now
anyway
\o night
 
maybe a repeat of the glitch from yesterday. o/
 
8:55 PM
Is this question lacking an MCVE? It mentions an error occured, but does not say what the error is. However, an answer has been given and it is accepted.
o/ Night DB
 
9:26 PM
@makyen $.ajax encountered an error moving some posts. See console for details. error: Conflict
 
9:47 PM
@StephenKennedy Hmmm... What was printed in the console would be helpful. The console should have more detailed information.
 
@Makyen I've sent on the back channel
 
OK. Looking.
 
 
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11:33 PM
People seem to be claiming on the question page, stackoverflow.com/q/56302111 that it is from an ongoing contest, possibly from code gladiators 2019 semifinal round techgig.com/codegladiators
 

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