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Hi guys .. sorry for being gone for a while; mad times at work, and de-stressing by not staring at a screen at night.
 
@tink Welcome back :)
 
The burnination of is under discussion.
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5:59 AM
Thanks @Vega /o :)
 
 
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7:04 AM
@Makyen the semicolon as part of emoji's is under valued anyway ;)
 
@rene Yeah, I don't use it nearly as much as a colon. :-) Maybe we should start an advocacy group for rehabilitating the ; out of it's semi- status. :-;
 
Morning!
@Makyen Nice picture ;)
 
7:51 AM
what about this translation edit? I rejected it on the theory that the OP can't be expected to respond to follow-ups etc if they don't translate it themselves; but this does turn the NAA into a useful answer
 
8:01 AM
Morning all \o
 
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@tripleee reject and flag NAA
 
@rene thanks, done so
 
Good ol' British Rail. The one day I decide to do the green and healthy thing, SWR's train network goes belly up
Spent the better part of an hour waiting at Southampton Central
 
8:11 AM
@MichaelDodd yes, once it is stalled, chaos ensues
 
@rene Overrunning engineering works at London Waterloo which has blocked trains coming in or out, looks like it's had a cascading effect on the rest of their network
Now on a CrossCountry train that's filling up with school kids. Fun.
 
@MichaelDodd I always try to start my train travel after 9:00 o'clock. Which means less kids but more elderly people to tackle ...
 
@rene True, though with a body clock that's currently waking me up at 5:30am due to my driving commute, and a cat that wakes us up around the same time, that's probably a bit late for me to get it, plus cutting it fine with core hours starting at 10am
 
8:25 AM
@rene and less money to pay ... typically Dutch
 
@Adriaan thanks for noticing
 
8:56 AM
@Adriaan Are the tickets cheaper after 9am?
I don't know what just happened. My message duplicated and I had new options to edit/delete/...
 
:45713649 You can buy a card which grants 40% discount outside peak hours (06:30-09:00 and 16:00-18:30), for only €50 a year. It's worthwhile after just 3 or 4 trips a years basically.
 
9:16 AM
@Adriaan I still try to go on a railrunner ticket ...
 
@rene And pay for them with 1 guilder I take it? :P
 
yep
 
Ah the good old times, when I was 8 my mom would give me a bus ticket to get to the train station, and a railrunner with the message 'Talk to a grown-up to be your 'parent' for the legallity of the ticket. Grandpa will pick you up on arrival!'
 
lol
 
@Adriaan You were young and already a traveler :)
@Adriaan It's a very interesting discount! :o
 
9:27 AM
@Vega yea, it's a very cheap discount card compared to the price reduction. Main drawback is having to travel outside peak hours. Not that much of a drawback when you're a student or pensioner, but when working this is more of a problem. No rush hours on weekends though, so then you always get the 40%
 
9:43 AM
@MichaelDodd Review once please. OP edited. ^^
 
@Shree Yep, looks ok to me now
@rene Could you trash this request please?
 
Arnold: Doesn't look like anything to me
Denial much?
 
10:43 AM
@treyBake now sure; deceze is following you, no need to submit a cv :-)
 
@double-beep haha it does feel that way xD
we have some weird telepathic connection it would seem xD
 
11:07 AM
I edited a question from H&I queue. Later it was rolled back. The OP lacked efforts to debug, was it a reason to roll back? :(
 
@Vega I'd ping the person rolling back for an explanation, we can only speculate but not a clue personally
 
@Vega no edit summary and lots of changes looks like you decided to change it into a different question. Maybe if you had explained what you changed and why, the threshold to rollback would be higher .... but this too is pure speculation
 
@ErikA Thank you!
@tripleee Thank you, you are right about the edit summery, I always forget that
But I didn't change the question, just removed the 'noise' with 'please' and 'thanks' and I formatted the code, put the title as a question
 
I tried to review the diff but it's really hard to tell just from that
 
@tripleee Thank you :)
 
11:32 AM
t-t-t-triple combo!
 
haaaaaa
 
@MichaelDodd t-t-tripple combo
 
@double-beep More t vicar? ☕
 
11:54 AM
Sorry for OT: is there any channel to get help about site features?
 
@Xatenev Effectively a meta chat channel? Hm, not sure, don't think I've heard of one before
 
@Xatenev o/ I think you mean meta.stackoverflow.com
 
@Vega @MichaelDodd Exactly, but I just have a question regarding low quality flags and theres atleast 20 duplicates of it already
Those don't really answer my question, atleast those that I have checked out, but it'll get closed as duplicate nevertheless :p
It just seems as I have a misunderstnading on how/when to use the low quality flag since my flags are usually declined with flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer
lol
 
@Xatenev You can always pop by here: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/169987/dawgs-waffle-haus, there's no specific topic there but site features tend to get frequently discussed. It's not that busy though
 
@Xatenev Ah, there is an excellent post on SE by shog9, I will find the link
 
12:05 PM
Thanks I'll just ask in there @ErikA
 
@Xatenev Have you seen this post meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370?
 
@Vega That's for NAA, not VLQ
 
review surprised that there are recommend deletion votes! This is an answer.
 
@double-beep A very poor answer but still an answer, agreed
 
Meh, if I'd write an answer that's essentially just write the code, it'd get flagged R/A I think
 
12:15 PM
Question is definitely TB though
On a similar subject, second opinions please. Is this answer NAA?
 
I also found this review. Maybe not link-only, there is context.
 
@double-beep I recommend you only get others to help if you think else something of value might be lost, not just when you think people are not following proper NAA guidance
That one is not link-only, but I don't think anything of value will get lost when it's gone. It's just someone linking his own library on a post with several better answers
 
@MichaelDodd Looks like a comment to me. The other answers show you how to avoid that method, this one just says to avoid it
 
@Machavity , cheers, flagged then
Question, would I be violating rule #15 by making a request suggesting a duplicate target in which I have an answer?
 
12:31 PM
don't think so
 
I vaguely remember that's been previously discussed and you wouldn't violate the rule in that case
 
Morning
 
Cheers, waiting for confirmation on OP from one extra detail, but suspect it's a stone-cold dupe
 
@AnttiHaapala Migrating it only to have it closed on another site might not be the best idea, right? As in: closed over on DBA means migration rejected iirc
 
@Adriaan The Golden Rule of Migration is "don't migrate garbage" - if you wouldn't be willing to upvote it on the target site, it should just be closed.
 
@EJoshuaS well, I wouldn't vote either way, as I don't know the technology to begin with
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@Adriaan At a minimum, stuff to be migrated shouldn't be low quality. In my opinion, migration should be reserved only for high-quality questions (but that's potentially controversial).
Either way, low-quality questions should always just be closed (rather than migrated)
 
Zoe
1:31 PM
SU?
 
Whooo! 20K! Now all will be deleted
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I'll tell the mods!
 
Deletes the mods with his new 20K tools
 
@Zoe Er, looks like an Android Studio Q. Not sure why that tag got removed. Since Android Studio is a dev tool, looks to be on-topic
 
I'll tell the CMs then!
 
Zoe
1:34 PM
@Machavity It's a part of the SDK, and it's independent from the IDE.
 
Out of my league then. I don't use that tool enough to know either way
 
CMs: deleted. Joel: deleted. Trump: deleted
 
I'll tell the... oh, wait seems only Erik A remained
 
Erik A: deleted. Oops!
 
self delete earns you a badge ...
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1:39 PM
Rage Quit (gold): Delete your own account after 1000 upvotes
 
Zoe
@Machavity Eh, emulator aside, it asks "how do I update x on Android" (Although an emulator so the process is without an app store). Seems like SU-ish at least, but it's related to a tool frequently used in programming, so I'm not sure. It has a close vote though (not mine), so it looks like someone agrees. (Not sure if it's a "side-effect" of posting here or not though)
 
@Zoe We call it the SOCVR effect. Meta liked it so much it wanted its own and copied it from us
 
Zoe
"close vote all teh thangz"?
 
talks about thing in room. Gets closed anyways
It's almost like people are in here looking for things to close
 
@tripleee sniped :P
 
1:44 PM
ouch
 
Zoe
@Machavity That's weird, it's not like this room is in any way related to closing or anything!
 
In all seriousness, if there's even something of a dev tool angle (and it's not an installation Q) everyone from Meta to CMs say leave it be
 
@Adriaan well, might be, you're reviewing my close votes :D
 
So I tend to err on the side of "It looks like a tool Q"
 
Zoe
@Machavity it's technically install though
 
1:50 PM
it is an install of a developer tool, not applicable to anything that is not-developer-tool
 
Grabs popcorn
 
like "how do I install a plugin into my IDE" is about "installing" yes, but if the answer is not "run setup.exe" then where would it belong
 
Feel free to CV it. Just don't stab people in the eyes growl if the room doesn't close it
 
@Machavity Did someone take the Watson-Scott test?
 
Zoe
meh, I Don't really think it needs a cv-pls. Just needed to double-check before I cast a vote ^^"
 
1:58 PM
@Zoe Disappointing climbdown, 3/10
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Climbdown? Nah, if I go down, I go down amazingly. Preferably with fireworks, a parachute, and additional visual effects.
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And landing on an airplane mid-air is a plus.
 
@Zoe In other words, you want to star in your own video game?
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Zoe
@Machavity >~<
 
M-M
2:21 PM
or simple typo
 
@treyBake follower lost
 
cries deeply
 
@double-beep F
 
2:34 PM
really, btw, I will be surprised if I approve at least 100 suggested edits :) because I have reached 200 rejected
 
@ErikA Congrats!, Nice work!
 
@double-beep Are you skipping a lot?
 
@StephenKennedy hmmm... that's also true. I always make sure, though, if it is an audit when I am going to approve an edit.
 
Zoe
I think I have 800 and something rejections
 
2:59 PM
^ can anyone confirm? Tempted to go spam based on the .ir domain (same country as user)
Uh-oh
> Redis::CommandError in PostsController#by_uid
> OOM command not allowed when used memory > 'maxmemory'.
No history for domain in MS
 
@double-beep Right, that tends to skew the numbers a bit, as does reviewing tag wiki edits which was something I focused on for a while
 
@MichaelDodd yeah, redis search got "improved" : Now with more out-of-memory errors.
 
Can't read a thing on that page, but clear spam nonetheless (medication bottle)
 
3:11 PM
@Zoe There will be an opportunity for that on my commute home
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Zoe
@StephenKennedy that was just... unnecessary xd
Also, I said land on a plane, not have a plane shoot down the parachute and fall face-first into the snow xd
Besides, I'm better at falling face-first than landing on my feet :]
 
@Vega The duplicated message happens sometimes when there's an issue with communication with SE Chat. The in-message options to edit/retry/cancel are the normal thing. Something similar also appears when you try to post messages faster than the rate-limit permits.
 
@Makyen you would think the server-side thing that hates you when you type the same thing twice would deal with that issue...
 
3:29 PM
@JohnDvorak Yeah, but part of the response to that appears to be to allow the user to actually send it, if they confirm it's really what they wanted. Given that various issues can result in a duplicated message sent to the server, requesting user action to confirm appears a good way to resolve it. I also results in at least some delay, helping rate-limit the messages.
@MichaelDodd #15 in the FAQ explicitly permits you to post a cv-pls on a question you're closing as a duplicate with a dup-target of a question you've authored or answered. Particularly in low-traffic tags, this is something that's not just permitted, but expected, even on a regular basis. Active, higher-rep users often have answers on a number of questions that are commonly used as dup-targets. This is even more likely in low-traffic tags.
 
@Makyen cheers
 
3:49 PM
@SterlingArcher he's not asking for code, so I'd give it more leeway
 
He just posted a word problem :P
There's literally no question mark
 
True
point taken
 
Just a requirement copy pasta. Close as TB
 
The self-answer underneath also smells of NAA
 
3:55 PM
@Makyen: seems like the URRS adds additional padding to a closed and edited (cv or not) request. See e.g. the difference here. [Blame Nathan Oliver who move the requests to graveyard]
 
Second most depressing queue: suggested edits
 
!!/blame
 
@NathanOliver It's Matthieu Brucher's fault.
 
^ cc @double-beep
 
!!/blame
 
4:00 PM
@double-beep It's Samuel Liew's fault.
 
@NathanOliver Experimental Reason. They filter those out of SOCVR but they're still listed in Charcoal
 
^ that
 
Why are we doing that?
 
and I wouldn't like to do a !!/report-force
because it will confuse MS
 
ie What is the experiment?
@ErikA Congrats
 
4:05 PM
@NathanOliver Remember the "luncheon meat" reason we'd always FP? Stuff like that
MS is down or I'd give you an example
 
it's not down
exactly at least
blame thesecretmaster
 
I remeber we had to stop some reports because of a lurker. I don't recal hearing about us giving to many FP's.
 
So it's down-ish? I know you can make reports and the chatbot is up, but MS pages throwing a Redis error
 
user self deleted. Interestingly it doesn't apply the flags for that.
 
4:08 PM
@double-beep Good to know
 
@Makyen I am impressed by your knowledge about everything on SO! And thank you very much for not letting my confusion without answer :)
 
@double-beep There is no padding applied. That appears to be just how Chrome renders a line with a <sup class="">E</sup>. It doesn't look that way in, at least, Firefox.
@Vega Thanks. np. :-)
 
@NathanOliver see this file. Rooms which have msg_types - experimantal accept experimental reports. These reports aren't posted in rooms like this one because they receive lots of FPs.
 
Ah. Now I get it.
 
@NathanOliver Currently, turning on experimental reasons is an all-or-nothing switch. If it's turned on, then you get all reports, for all SE sites, that are detected for only "experimental" reasons. "Experimental" reasons are defined [here.] Thus, as SD is currently written, it's not possible to just turn on the ones for SO only.
Other than some concern about people assigning to much importance to reports for experimental reasons, there hasn't been all that much of non-technical issue having the ones for just SO show up in here, if the code was changed to only turn on the "experimental" reasons for the selected sites.
 
user10976548
4:41 PM
Is this too borad? stackoverflow.com/q/55304105
 
NAA'd by a 11ker
 
@JohnDvorak let's not target
 
I'm just stating facts about the question
 
Zoe
@Vakore the close vote is on POB. Guessing it's related to stackoverflow.com/questions/55304105/…
 
4:57 PM
@Vakore what does efficient mean? Time? Memory? Maintainability? The first two can be tested by yourself (and then ask a question if your test results appear to be counter intuitive). The latter should maybe be asked on Softwareenginering.se but read their help center first.
 
5:18 PM
What do you do if you raise a mod-flag about something suspicious and then notice something else that seems to greatly confirm your suspicions? Do you raise another mod-flag or just keep it in mind in case the flag is declined?
 
5:30 PM
@AndrewMyers Flag again, say you flagged previously (probably provide a link to the post you flagged), and add the new information.
 
Hi, I'm not sure if this was really a duplicate, because there were other issues in the question as well. And the link to the dup question wouldn't solve it. Was it rightly closed?
 
The other option would have been to close it as too broad
 
@JohnDvorak: Why would it be 'too broad'?
 
@NicholasK The dupe does not look right. I've voted to reopen and I'm fixing the title
 
because of the "other issues" thing
 
5:49 PM
@JohnDvorak: Not sure if I fully agree with you on that..
 
The dupe does provide correct code, doesn't it?
 
Yes it does. But on its own, it won't solve OP's question as there was another issue with the code written. And hence IMHO, isn't a dup.
 
I vote to keep it closed
 
Could this be solved by having a gold-badge add an additional duplicate?
 
7:17 PM
@BhargavRao When I read your message on the starboard, it showed ... when you last link started, this really changes the tone of your message
 
7:28 PM
fair point
 
@double-beep ???
 
@JohnDvorak now that I see it better, I'd go for no improvement. Just confused because saw wrong title and bad keywords :).
 
@double-beep Er, the OP posted that in comments?
 
... by the way
reviewed NIW because the question needs to die anyways.
 
7:44 PM
My review stats have arrived. Please check them over here
 
@double-beep I'm at a bit of a loss as to why you think we would want to see that and why you think it's worth showing off
The room should be about making Stack Overflow a better place, not being negative about everything or taking delight in rejecting edits or closing questions
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yeah, there should be a :) after it
 
be careful with your missing smileys then mate bcos that would be the second time this has happened :)
 
8:07 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Not left us then?
 
9:07 PM
 
@StephenKennedy well, I didn't, but I'm busy in other rooms :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Splitter!
(I was meaning to share that with you before the election. Maybe read it some time when you're not busy and want a giggle :))
 
9:22 PM
argh reddit is sooo bad. I wouldn't moderate there in a million years :)
 
That's okay, we all still hate the Romans.
 
Yeah. I hate the Romans a lot.
 
What's so bad about Romans?
 
What did they ever do for us?!
 
And in 16:19, they say not be evil.
 
9:30 PM
Arches, Cement, Underwater Construction techniques, Coffer Dams, ...
 
Democracy
 
@BhargavRao Wrong Romans :)
 
Dem O'Cracy
;p
 
Apparently, hate for the Romans is a real thing
 
Romans have nothing to do with Brexit at least.
Didn't they invent pizza as well?
 
9:33 PM
Is this history.se chat?
 
I really don't know how this roman thing came up. We didn't want to let Stephen alone.
 
fair enough
 
Zoe
@rene No, of course it isn't. We're uh... talking about close voting the roman empire? yeah, sure! That works and is on-topic-ish!! :p
 
I think we can reasonably close the Roman Empire as "too broad". Who's with me?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I sometimes can't tell if you're making a dry joke, or being serious, and this is one of those moments
@CodyGray Yep, let's do that
 
Zoe
9:36 PM
How many votes do we need though? That thing's huge!
 
@StephenKennedy just assume that I'm not doing anything to hurt your feelings ever. So that's probably a dry joke. I'm sometimes tired to add the ":)"
 
@CodyGray Do you know if anyone ever got around to the merge request to put the two halves of the empire back together?
 
(a lot of people tell that to me, even when I'm face to face with them :))
 
@NathanOliver Nah, nobody ever merges anything. :-(
 
Zoe
@NathanOliver they were in the process, but some vikings or something 'd it.
 
9:38 PM
Cody told me "don't touch that merge button".
 
Oh boy. Vikings. Glad this isn't History.SE chat.
 
Good show
 
Got some chronology issues there.
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Is it at least not red and shiny and asks to be pushed? :p
 
@merv deleted your comment there?
Not a dupe?
 
9:39 PM
@Zoe nope, it's in 6-size font like the other zillion mod tools that you barely notice 😀
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Ah no, there was no feeling here you were being mean or anything like that, just that perhaps you didn't know Life of Brian :) PS Moderator is a lifetime appointment, so don't burn yourself out please :)
 
He hasn't even burned out 5 users yet
 
I for one appreciate the extremely dry sense of humor
 
@CodyGray only 3. But 2 of them were the same person :)
 
9:42 PM
me too
 
not sure if serious doesn't mean I don't appreciate it :)
 
I sometimes make jokes that only others understand. They have to explain it to me afterwards.
 
That's nice of them
 
I don't know what to make of this one. Is it salvageable at this point?
 
9:55 PM
Yes. Closing that as a resource request is stupid. They're not asking for someone to recommend a compiler. They're asking what compiler switch can be used to solve a specific problem.
Two things to fix: (1) The grammar. (2) Remove the answer from the question.
 
I was having a crack at the above while you were talking here, but it could do with a further edit from somebody who knows about the topic
(or revert and start again if I failed)
Would I be right to assume that historical spam (2015) in a comment should just be flagged No Longer Needed, or should I custom flag it?
 
@CodyGray the answer has 5 votes (now 4 :)) but is wrong. It's inaccurate at least.
 
@BhargavRao Still think it's a dupe; just already have a comment there with the dupe link. I had just been holding off to see if the questioner had other feedback, but their answer confirmed the dupe, IMO.
 
Ah, k. Then we can let the user decide it anyway.
They'll get the huge banner [Is it a dupe of this?]
Hmm, come to think of it, usually the very new people think that getting their question marked as duplicate is bad... and they try their best to avoid that
We need to find a way to reduce the stigma associated with questions being closed as duplicates..
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@BhargavRao when I close as a dupe, I try to comment with the adapted solution for the OP. It usually works well, and I don't get revenge downvotes :)
 
10:03 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Mhmm, just read it after I finished editing the question and came to the same conclusion.
 
Pop some confetti on the screen and say "Congrats, your question is now upgraded as a sign post"
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^^^^^ +1
April 1st is coming...
 
with unicorns
@CodyGray oh, you have gold. Good.
 
It's worth its weight in gold, too
 
really the answer is a wild guess, and upvotes mean that 5 people believed it.
@CodyGray 0 grams?
Hey, we moved the blue room in here :)
 
10:08 PM
Put a textbox in front of me, and I types in it
 
3 mods actively chatting... what did you guys do wrong now?
 
It's Stephen's fault
 
It's my fault ^ ninjad
 
!!/blame
 
@Machavity It's Machavity's fault.
 
10:10 PM
Dang it
 
haha, oops.
 
that works too
I turned this into the History channel and Rene called the cops on me
 
I'll buy it
 
that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
Then everyone stayed for the confetti
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I usually get abusive replies.
Perhaps your green shirt helps to make them feel at ease.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Is this a new meaning for "having the blues"?
 
Sacre Bleu
 
I'll take strangely named extensions for $500, Alex
 
@BhargavRao the green shirt is recent. But maybe it soothes people 😀 People don't really care to see their question closed (well, except the ones who expect upvotes on their questions) as long as they have a solution.
Sacrebleu (in one word), an old French expression. Roughly means WTF.
 
10:23 PM
So cordon bleu means "get the F out of my kitchen"?
 
@E_net4 for your question about the salvageable question, yes it is, and I even answered it as it was good.
 
So it's a French attempt at being German
 
@StephenKennedy 😀 Cordon bleu means "fine cook", but it's also breaded chicked/ham with cheese in it.
 
const int siebentausendzweihundertvierundfünfzig = 7254;
 
Favourite dish of our beloved French president
 
10:29 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre @E_net4 Nice little bit of team work there, turning an unloved question into something useful
 
... and with a highly upvoted answer that doesn't answer like at all
 
:+1:
 
OP is going to be scratching their head when they next log in - s/he's got 2 upvotes, an un-downvote, an answer from a mod, and 2 mod edits
 
I never had Cordon Bleau with chicken....
 
11:14 PM
Oh my god the formatting on the first answer
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Oh it's like 5 years old
Fixed -_-
 
Can a RO unpin the [atlassian] related message? The issue actually is done now ... thanks
 
11:30 PM
I'm on it. Oh wait ;)
 
@SterlingArcher Sigh. I'll take care of it.
it won't budge
 
Did you click it harder?
 
trying that, will update with my progress in an hour or two
 
11:55 PM
we don't have that kind of time @BhargavRao will rampage again ._.
CLICK HARDER I SAID
 

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