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12:59 AM
@SterlingArcher What user are you talking about?
 
1:23 AM
Darn you Hover :)
 
@GBlodgett: ???
 
I had posted the same cv request two seconds after you @HovercraftFullOfEels
 
@GBlodgett: oops, sorry
Offering in comments to pay for us to do his homework
 
 
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3:08 AM
 
3:43 AM
@SterlingArcher yeah that'll learn it ;P
 
 
3 hours later…
6:28 AM
!!/watch cmsconstruct\.com
 
7:42 AM
Morning all \o
 
Morning
 
 
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9:30 AM
There's been a bit of an influx of questions about developing for Android with Eclipse recently. Outdated teaching materials at a school?
 
Zoe
How do I handle incorrect duplicate closing by someone with a hammer?
 
@Zoe Was it an incorrect closure or better handled by another target?
 
Zoe
Specifically when an older question was hammered as a dupe of a newer because the person who hammered had an answer on the newer. The older also has more answers (+ different ones) and more votes
And we're talking 58 minute differences here
for reference, this question
 
@Zoe So mjollnir abuse? Not really sure, don't want to go as far as a modflag, so maybe talk to a different gold badge holder if you can find one?
 
Zoe
@MichaelDodd More or less, yeah. No clue who has a hammer on the tags though
 
9:39 AM
I'll leave a comment querying the closure
 
Zoe
I kinda have, but more as a reminder of what should be closed, and on the answer posted by the hammerer because I don't think I can copy-paste the name and get the pinging right xd
 
@Zoe I think I managed to get it right, hebrew script is a pain to edit because of RtL
 
Zoe
yeah, that too.
 
Morning o/
 
Zoe
Morning o/
 
9:42 AM
\o
 
o/
 
IIRC @NileshRathod is an Android gold-badge holder?
never mind, they're going to flip the direction of the dupe
 
Zoe
Oh. That was easy ^^"
 
D: I just lost my first 10 rep (that I can remember) from a user being removed
 
Zoe
It happens
 
9:53 AM
Doesn't make it any less painful :P
 
!!/blame
 
@Shree It's John Dvorak's fault.
 
It's JohnDvorak fault to lost 10 rep :D
 
Zoe
Jon Dvorak got deleted?! :p
John*
 
 
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11:13 AM
Relevant meta discussion for Cerbrus and dippas last CV requests. Generally, we don't do questions with no recent activity, I don't know if we should make an exception for these.
 
 
1 hour later…
12:25 PM
Morning
 
Zoe
Morno
 
'fternoon
 
Mornofternoon
 
o/
 
@ErikA I agree meta should handle this, no need for socvr to be involved can an RO have a look?
Maybe a topic for room meeting?
 
12:56 PM
I've binned the new request. dippas unilaterally closed it, meta felt it shouldn't be that way, we'll let meta handle it since it is in their domain. @dippas If you want it closed I suggest writing a meta answer. Since you have a deleted one, it looks like meta disagrees.
 
I binned Cerbrus' request because it was on a 12-month inactive question. I think we do need a meeting topic on whether or not we want to stick ourselves into Meta actions like that tho
 
In my opinion, if it is on meta, keep it on meta. Shog suspended the room one a while back because people we talking about stuff going on in meta here, instead of in meta where it was visible to everyone (not that it was inivisible here, but the conversation should be kept in one place so people don't have to go and find it).
 
And conversely, it wasn't obvious in the requests that either request was being made in relation to Meta. As such, if the closures had come under scrutiny, those voters would have taken some heat for something they didn't know they were a part of by close voting
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@Cerbrus cc all of the above (forgot to ping earlier)
 
Hm, 'kay
 
1:10 PM
I tripped over my roomba and yelled at it
This is not the future that Back to the Future promised
 
You'll be sorry for that once the robots take over
 
@SterlingArcher IKR. I only have one fax machine
 
To be fair, if I get got by a roomba, I didn't deserve to live in the first place
 
We've got too much crap in our house to get a roomba, plus I'd need to build a ramp to let it clean the conservatory
plus the cat would probably start attacking it
 
I have one because I have a 1 bedroom apartment, and no pets lol
and because i hate sweeping
 
Zoe
 
> M. Nurbekov invited to the mosque! We have a 2-leaf chairs 'seamlessness' course for you to dive your dance. Russia's state-run confederation, known as the Alabama psychologist Abidov, has been known to be an expert in the field of expertise. Smoke is broken. Location: Andijon, the city of Istiklol, the city of Lenin, is the capital of Mongolia.
I'm leaning yes
 
> Russia's state-run confederation, known as the Alabama psychologist Abidov
what a sentence
 
Google Translate is a hoot sometimes
 
Zoe
I know, ran it through Google Translate. It just doesn't make sense
 
It's a Russian tragedy. It doesn't have to make sense
 
1:18 PM
@Zoe this is just raw text without any context
 
@Zoe marked helpful & deleted
user account also nuked
 
I'd like to be known to be an expert in the field of expertise...
 
I'm not a good developer, I'm just a good googler
 
Zoe
@ErikA sure, you just need to fill out the expertise expertise certification like an expert
 
I need some expert help to fill out the expertise expertise certification like an expert
 
1:32 PM
@StephenKennedy I very expertized am. Pink elephant so sayz!
 
Welcome to Edwards Expert E-cademy, we expertly enhance expertise everyone enjoys exuding. Expertise E-certs expire every eternity and eventually need expertly done extensions.
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@NathanOliver Which reminds me, is Experts Exchange still a thing?
 
2:08 PM
@Magisch, you there?
I can provide you with a link for this
 
@Cerbrus already obtained one, but thanks
 
Ah, k :P
 
2:36 PM
Morning
Wait I was already here
 
3:07 PM
There should be badges for clearing all your review queues in a day
Automatic gold if you get 20 H&I's in the reset time
 
and if you die after clearing your review queues who will get the badge?
especially H&I
 
nobody
 
Angry cat
 
3:18 PM
whole wheat cat
 
3:30 PM
@MichaelDodd What has that question to attract these answers? It Is the second one
 
@Steve Smokey always finds the weird and wonderful of SO
 
I'm so sick of seeing the atlassian tag in the queues lol
 
3:42 PM
@NathanOliver I like you, you get me.
 
I, like you, get me too ;)
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Well played homie. Well played
 
:) thanks
 
I cast 3 reopen votes in a row in the queue, and it felt good to finally see some stuff that deserves a second chance because of a good edit
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Nice. I like reopening things.
 
3:48 PM
@NathanOliver I prefer to open my beers only a single time though
 
I cast another reopen vote! but this one I'm reopening only because it went from too broad, to why isn't this code working
But hey, it's something
 
I close my bottle of scotch between glasses so I'm always reopening it.
 
Where have you been my whole life
 
@SterlingArcher You really shouldn't do that. A comment would be better if it needs to stay closed. Otherwise you're just making more work for everyone else.
 
@NathanOliver then, @Machavity disagrees with you.
 
3:51 PM
@NathanOliver after the work I went through yesterday in the H&I people need to get on my level
Oh I'm super sassy today
But in reality, should you not cast a re-open vote if it was closed for the wrong reason or is this a case of "don't beat a dead horse"
no horses were harmed in my voting habits
 
The not beating dead horses thing, except for misleading dupes
 
It's a case of don't beat a dead horse. Leave a comment saying it went from TB to lacks mcve and move on.
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Wow, so many stars... Can I haz one pleez? ✭
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Fair enough :)
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Yes, it's startling.
 
3:54 PM
@NathanOliver you mean a bottle survives longer than a single setting with you? o.0
 
That's... not healthy ._.
 
@Adriaan Depends. Normally I get 3 or 4 sessions per
 
It's pouring outside. It's a hood up kind of developing day for me.
So broody and angsty
 
@SterlingArcher Unfortunately, the close system really doesn't do a great job of informing an OP as to all the reasons a question should be closed. Sometimes, if the voting is just right, it might list two reasons, but lots of reasons might apply, even all of them. There have been various proposals on meta to improve it, but none have really gained traction, and certainly haven't been implemented.
 
3:57 PM
@Makyen it's a shame to hear that 😬 but I do understand because it probably introduces a lot of issues to the system
 
@SterlingArcher More often than not, I usually prefer pouring inside, but a good party can have a bar outside too. That's often better during the summer.
 
Oh man, one of the "dive bars" I like to go to opened a beer garden, which is fancy talk for just an out door bar in the alley. It's so nice
 
@SterlingArcher Yeah, it's unfortunate. It certainly contributes to confusion and various negative feelings/impressions of SO on the part of OP's. After all: "I fixed the thing that the close reason said was wrong, why isn't my question reopened?"
 
Bars around here did that after the smoking ban went into place for inside spaces.
 
Zoe
5:02 PM
@CalvT (pinging you here because the answer got deleted) - you edited a non-english answer, which you're not supposed to do.
 
@Zoe That link covers questions, and the reasoning is because they have to understand the answers. I edited an answer, which is the correct thing to do by that logic, so that the asker can understand the answer.
 
Zoe
It still applies, doesn't it?
 
It's been deleted now anyway so 🤷‍♂️
 
@Zoe Yeah but no need to be fiscal about it if CalvT taught the answer was good.
I have seen mods edit, the basic idea is to not google translate. If you understand well and think the answer is useful, I would not be fiscal about it.
 
Yeah, the answer was in Spanish, which I like to think I'm proficient in. Wouldn't have done it for any other language
 
Zoe
5:07 PM
Okay then ^^"
 
Important is just not to edit, because you edit, you need to see some value in it, it needs to be clear etc
Then Zoe is right... meta says no.. but yeah we like good content and answer for future users so not even meta can stop us :)
@CalvT just so you know the answer was not deleted as NAA but because OP posted same answer on multiple questions.
 
M-M
I posted answers to a question and then I found the dupe. What's the proper action here?
 
@M-M You could delete your answer and then vote to close as a dupe
 
@double-beep I don't know that that's disagreement, per se. In the one you linked, the Q had been closed as Unclear. The OP then added some details which made it a dupe. In that particular case, the correct course was to reopen, then close as dupe.
 
M-M
@GBlodgett right, thanks
 
5:25 PM
Remember, edits put it into the Reopen queue. It was very possible it would get reopened even without us. By forcing it, we could ensure it got closed properly
 
@M-M If you feel your answer adds information to what's on the dup-target, then you should move your answer to the dup-target. This may, or may not, mean you have to modify the answer in order to fit the dup-target, while being more general purpose. By move, I mean delete it from the duplicate and post it on the dup-target. Unfortuantely, there's no such SE function as to actually move an answer, other than the moderator action of merging questions, which is complex, looking at all answers.
 
M-M
@Makyen Thanks.
 
@M-M np. I've ended up moving answers a few times myself.
 
6:20 PM
501 posts edited
yyyaaaayyyyy i finally got there
please clap i worked hard
:P
 
@SterlingArcher Good work. I've made arrangements for you to receive a badge!
 
Zoe
I'd clap, but it looks really weird clapping at my computer.
 
Zoe
You can have some virtual cake though
 
Speaking of which -
Congratulations @Jean-FrançoisFabre on the Marshall badge for 500 helpful flags ;)
@Zoe I'll do it, but one handed
 
Zoe
6:33 PM
@StephenKennedy Fine, if you do it, I'll do it too. But one-tailed :>
 
@double-beep Good point - I edited.
 
@EJoshuaS If you want a duplicate deleted that's fine. But let's avoid comments about the users writing the questions and answer
 
@Machavity I'm confused... how was that commentary on the users?
 
It seemed fine to me
 
6:50 PM
@EJoshuaS multiple low-effort answers is commentary on the users. If you want to say the answers aren't useful, that's fine
If you want to repost with less commentary is fine as well. The question seems low quality
 
@Machavity I was more trying to convey the fact that the answers weren't reflecting research effort because it's just a typo; out of curiosity, is there a better way to phrase that?
Rather than any reflection on the users who posted the answers
 
Apparently "not useful" is fine.
It judges the posts, not the posters.
 
@EJoshuaS I would just say it's a typo and leave it at that then. We delete those all day long. And John's "Not useful" is fine too. Answers can be that. But answers don't have effort, the users do
 
@Machavity I disagree with the last point
One person can post a high-effort answer one day, and a low-effort answer another.
 
Couldn't you argue that posts ought to show evidence of research effort?
 
7:00 PM
We're not here to sit as judge and jury on how much "effort" people have put into their answers (nor could we reasonably ascertain that if we wanted to)
 
Wouldn't that imply that we can't downvote questions for no research, though?
 
@StephenKennedy but can we judge how much effort they have seemed to put?
 
After all, the tooltip for downvotes says "This question does not show any research effort..."
 
Voting != SOCVR
 
7:03 PM
that ^
 
Are you insinuating that voting based on the poster is OK, Stephen? :P
 
Hi All, Can i ask below on hold question in SE site instead : stackoverflow.com/questions/55275560/…
 
Not at all :) checks his rep
phew, safe so far
 
@stom If you mean programmers.se, i'd say no. Anywhere else on SE, still no.
 
Zoe
7:08 PM
> Don't ask about...

finding or recommending products or services, including tools, libraries or packages, programming languages, books, scholarly papers, tutorials, articles, or blogs
career or education advice
 
So do I. I can never quite rembemer the new name.
 
@stom Every SE site has a page detailing what you can ask - career advice is a no on Software Engineering
 
or anywhere
 
try Reddit
 
Quora
 
7:09 PM
Twitter?
 
heck, go for Yahoo Answers, dawg :P
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Nej. Twitter's mainly useful for ranting ;)
 
@Zoe You've offended me now. I need to find somewhere where I can rant about being offended. Maybe Pinterest?
 
ok i have removed career advice questions , can anyone remove from on hold : kindly check : stackoverflow.com/questions/55275560/…
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy I'm offended you're offended! I need to find somewhere I can rant about being offended. Maybe meta? ;p
@stom you still have two questions (too broad) and both are opinion based
 
7:13 PM
@Zoe twitter :P
 
It's still too broad, and the first half is POB
 
@Zoe Nej. Try Twitter, you'll find it meets your requirements perfectly
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy at 280 characters? You've clearly never seen one of my rants xD
 
and the last line is soliciting opinions as well
@Zoe that's why we have replies and 1/?.
 
Zoe
The last one I wrote in a single block had about 11k characters
 
7:15 PM
@Zoe condolences to whomever had to read it
 
Zoe
And I'm too lazy to write 39 tweets when I can write 6 messages on Discord :]
@JohnDvorak meh, 11k isn't really bad
 
@Zoe i am asking Programming related questions, where should i ask then ? Can i ask in Software Engineering
 
Zoe
That's not programming related
 
^ that
 
Zoe
It's meta programming-related
which isn't actually programming, it's off-topic
Unless it's programming the source for a meta site, but that's not meta programming, that's programming meta
 
7:17 PM
^^^ that, but without the - in order to make it the same as the previous I agreed :)
 
where should i ask then ? Can i ask in Software Engineering
 
ooof
 
Zoe
@stom for the third time, nowhere in the SE network
It's too broad and too opinion-based to be on-topic.
Also, by appending /tour to any base site URL, you can get a nice list of what is on-topic and what isn't on any site
And the software engineering one also says (under what not to ask): "finding or recommending products or services, including tools, libraries or packages, programming languages, books, scholarly papers, tutorials, articles, or blogs"
AFAIK, there's three sites that allow POB questions: Interpersonal Skills, Software Recommendations, and The Workplace. It's also off-topic on softwarerecs. softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/tour - off-topic: Questions without concrete requirements — if some potential answer would lack a critical feature, we need to know.. Your question doesn't show any kind of specific, concrete use, and softwarerecs isn't "which should I use for <blank>" anyway
Also covered on meta
and actually this too
 
@Zoe Is this a rant yet?
 
Zoe
7:28 PM
@StephenKennedy When I rant, you know it by the end of the first line.
 
Zoe
> Why should I learn python?
POB.
 
We've given enough feedback now Zoe. The reopen queue will make a decision.
 
what is POB
 
@stom we're done with this. Take it to meta if you still feel it should be open but you have had plenty advice and arguments why won't fit on SO or anywhere else with the SE network.
Please don't post a link to that question again in this room
Let's move on
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@stom see the Glossary
 
7:41 PM
@rene , Ok Thank you , Last comment, SO Means - Where Developers Learn, Share, & Build Careers , I am not able to ask my fellow developers about which programming language is good , then how Developers can Share ? There should be a site for these type question like sites like hashnode.com does, developers will found it helpful. I will take this to meta later. thank you.
 
Awesome. Thanks
@stom you might like or support this MSE post
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Meh, it won't change though
And it went through reopen 7 hours ago
 
@Zoe Oh, right. I didn't have the userscript installed on this machine which adds timeline link so hadn't seen that [rectified]
 
Zoe
I don't either :]
I do timeline stuff manually
mainly because I have no clue where the userscript is xD
 
7:56 PM
@Zoe They don't allow POB questions - even on sites on more subjective areas, you're still expected to be able to defend answers.
If something is subjective to the point that you can no longer reasonably defend answers it should be closed on any site.
 
Zoe
@EJoshuaS most of them are still opinion-related, and rely a lot more on personal experience. Yes, it does require backing it up (which Interpersonal has started enforcing - hard), but it's still opinion based. Or at least a lot more than SO if not entirely
 
@Zoe They're somewhat opinion-based, but not primarily opinion-based.
 
Zoe
@EJoshuaS Good point, didn't think about that ^^"
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Did you tell him to parse HTML with regex? I hear it summons ponies
 
Zoe
@Machavity I hear that summons Trogdor to burninate all teh codez
 
8:01 PM
@Zoe Trogdor the Parsinator?
 
Zoe
Trogdor the Regeximparsinator
 
It also summons a wide variety of corrupt entities.
@Zoe Also worth reading: Real questions have answers
 
Zoe
> Trogdor the Parsinator is frequently sighted near regex abuse. The mythical being can be discovered by the trail of broken ascii-characters it leaves behind as it drags the offending coder(s) through the forest, never to be seen again
 
Zoe
8:16 PM
Whaa-... Why did that add the username twice?
 
@Steve outdated cv request generator version.
 
it seems to be broken on Edge. Just closes when trying to update
 
@Makyen ^
 
@Steve there's your problem, using Windows ;)
 
Living on the Edge
 
8:21 PM
@Steve directly install it
 
@Steve What version of the Request Generator are you using? This cv-pls appears to be exhibiting a bug (duplicated user names) that was resolved in more recent versions. OK. So I should read a bit further in the transcript. Checking.
 
direct install of the alpha version of the cv request generator @Steve
 
Version 1.6.5 Last update 18 d
 
you do not use the alpha?
 
All right now on 1.8.7
 
8:25 PM
@Steve What closes when trying to update? The Tampermonkey tab?
 
If I check new versions from Tampermonkey menu Edge closes
 
@Steve Does it happen when checking for new versions of other scripts?
 
It happens directly on the main menu "Check updated scripts" (or something like that) I don't open a script and check if there is an update
 
@Steve yeah, it crashes after pressing Check for userscript updates
 
It seems something in TamperMonkey itself.
 
8:38 PM
@Steve OK. Sounds like there's nothing we can do about that. Although, it sounds like it might be helpful to file a bug.
 
8:49 PM
@StephenKennedy got that badge just in time :)
Hi all BTW
 
@Makyen posted the issue on their git. github.com/Tampermonkey/tampermonkey/issues/669
 
@Steve Looks good. Is that really the link to the URRS version you are using? If so, it's quite out of date.
 
Yes that's the one I have. You mean this right? github.com/Tiny-Giant Version 2.1.0 I thought that was the last one
 
9:08 PM
@Steve I thought you were getting one out of TinyGiant's repo. Yes, 2.1.0 is the most recent, but it's here, which is in SOCVR's repo.
 
I have copy/pasted the link inside the script header comments when writing the issue for TM
 
You might want to also update the Issue comment with a direct link to the CVRG. You were probably using a version a bit earlier in the release version. However, your testing of the Tampermonkey issue may have been with the alpha version
@Steve At least for the URRS, you appear to have copied the @namespace, which doesn't necessarily reflect where you got the script from. It's just another identifier, which can be any characters. Unfortunately, getting the URL from which TM will update is a bit complex. For each script, you have to "edit" it, then click on the script's "Settings" tab. The 2nd section will be "Update", which has the "Update URL". That's the URL from which TM thinks that it got, and should get, updates.
 
Hi all! o/
 
o/
 
@Makyen Thank you, good to know
 
9:22 PM
np
@BaummitAugen How are things?
 
Fun, so far.
I get to decline flags, nuke spammers and socks, all that good jazz. =D
 
:-)
 
Also, finally getting to delete comments without having to wait for the flag dialog rate limit. That is a huge step forward.
 
@BaummitAugen That's a nice benefit. Many of the rate limits are a pain in the rear, particularly the short delay ones. I've repeatedly been tempted to write a userscript that just intercepts the response and delays it until after an auto-retry when it sees the user get a response indicating they've hit one of those short rate-limits. I mean, if I clicked on it, I almost certainly really wanted it to happen. Just wait to do it, don't make me re-do it. :-(
 
Hello all o/ ... Anyone know anything about HTML Bookmark scriptlets?
 
9:30 PM
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Yes.
 
Of course you do :)
There's a webpage that had an update today and there's an input button that is now hidden. It can be identified by it's class name submit. I need to change the style attribute from none to table-row. Any idea how to put in a bookmark scriptlet?
My expertise is pretty much limited to VBS/VBA, which I could do by:
    Set o = IE.document.getElementsByClassName("submit")(0)
    o.getAttribute("style").display = "table-row"
 
@Makyen I have thought about that, too. Comments were the worst.
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Is it the only element with that class? Is the button an actual <button>?
 
Click: flag rate limit Click: flag dialog rate limit :/
 
:-; Yeah, sigh
 
9:36 PM
@BaummitAugen Is that why all my flags are getting declined! I'm going to vote for someone else next time. ;)
 
You'll have to vote for someone else, because Baum isn't candidating again.
 
@Jonathan Fair enough. =D
 
Are title-only edits typically acceptable?
 
Yes, the button is an actual button. Looks like:
<tr class="submit" style="display: none;"> but should actually look like: <tr class="submit" style="display: table-row;">
 
@SterlingArcher if it improves it, why not?
 
9:38 PM
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs That's not a <button>; it's a <tr>
 
@rene just making sure. Sometimes the distinction is tough
 
yes
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs This is close. I'd probably use something like document.querySelector('.submit').style.display = 'table-row'; However, that relies on wanting to change only the first element with class "submit".
 
It's the first element with that class, so I'll try it.
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs You'll need to have the URL be javascript:void( document.querySelector('.submit').style.display = 'table-row')
 
9:42 PM
@Makyen You are great! Thank you :-)
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Thanks. np. I'm happy to help.
 
@SterlingArcher we've had someone (or perhaps they're still at it) who searches for (semi-) common typos in question titles, fixes just that typo and moves on. I've flagged that at one point, seeing they did lots of those, and the response I got was 'Is OK, they're improving'. Not my pont of view (they left all kinds of issues scattered in the body) but apparently allowed.
 

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