« first day (2162 days earlier)      last day (1647 days later) » 

12:02 AM
@CodyGray Strange. I see the one in the Graveyard, but not the other one. OTOH, I didn't check for all combinations which might ping you. It could be hidden in an edit, as I didn't check all of those. I'm also not seeing a deleted post that would ping you (at least not the last version prior to deletion). If you received a notification in your SE inbox, you should be able to click on that notification and be taken directly to the message with the ping, even if it's in a different room now.
 
My inbox...yeah. It overflowed and has started making a mess on the floor. I just saw the little teal circle light up in the sidebar a second time, after already clearing it once. Not really a big deal; just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something important or humorous.
 
Hmmm... The only one I recall seeing was the one in the Graveyard. Perhaps the indicator was just a glitch. I've had glitches happen from time to time with chat notifications.
 
Definitely probably certainly maybe a glitch.
 
12:44 AM
:-)
 
1:32 AM
Your comment there was perhaps a little too aggressive, @eyllanesc. Especially for a brand-new user. Nothing major, just something to keep in mind. There's probably a better way of phrasing that.
 
1:50 AM
@CodyGray mmm, could you tell me what comment you mean? and perhaps a more appropriate phrasing to take it into consideration.
 
 
1 hour later…
3:12 AM
@eyllanesc I meant this one: "Delete your question since a typo does not contribute anything to the community." It wasn't my shyness that stopped me from suggesting an alternative phrasing, though. I'm...not really sure how you can make "delete your question" sound pleasant.
Noodling a bit... "If this has resolved your issue, please consider deleting your question, since the answer is unlikely to be useful to others in the future."
4
Anyone else feel free to suggest if you have ideas.
 
Sounds like reasonable wording.
 
 
1 hour later…
4:27 AM
@CodyGray thanks
What do you think of the following question/self-answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/58514980? The OP provides a code that indicates that it is crashed by providing an apparent MRE but in the self-answer it indicates as a reason for the problem a library that is not in the MRE. Is this type of question/answer valid?
 
5:02 AM
@eyllanesc Uh, I think that's something better asked of a subject matter expert than a moderator. Based on your explanation, I share your skepticism of the question's usefulness. But I might be biased by your explanation.
The form and general idea of the question are "valid", in the sense that they're appropriate for Stack Overflow. If I discover that a commonly-used plugin is causing difficult-to-debug crashes, then a self-answered Q&A about that is not only valid, but helpful. (Speaking very generally here.)
That specific question? I dunno. Looks pretty localized to me. This dictionary appears to be not so much a plugin, but some random app running on his computer.
 
@CodyGray I dedicate myself to work on that tag, so my question does not go in the sense of the technical basis but to the generality, rewriting my query: If the OP provides an MRE but then provides a self-answer where it indicates that the reason for the problem It is another that was not indicated in the MRE. From my point of view it would not be suitable for SO since it is impossible to obtain an answer based only on the question.
 
Well, be careful not to expect askers to predict the future.
Knowing what the answer is definitely helps me put all necessary information in the question, but in the real world, there might well be things left out just because I didn't realize they were relevant.
If this is a common problem that people have, or even that a small number of people might have, then it makes sense to have the Q&A on the site. You can easily make it comply with the guidelines by editing the question.
 
@CodyGray My point does not go that way, it is understood that an MRE by itself should allow anyone to reproduce the problem, this means that the OP had to execute it and get the same error of its base problem but if it later points out in the self-answer A reason not shown in the MRE makes me deduce that your MRE is not a real MRE. Although I also understand your point of view.
 
Yeah...a perfect MRE is somewhat of a unicorn.
I see it more as a goal than a hard requirement. When I close questions as lacking an MRE, it is really more of "lacks any attempt at an MRE".
For self-answered questions in particular, I'll point out that they're tricky to do well. Lots of users struggle with what belongs in the question and what belongs in the answer. Edits from experienced SO users are very helpful to fixing the issues.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:33 AM
^ new answer is spam
 
 
@Antonio Isn't this just spam?
 
He mentioned about Objective-c in his question.
 
Yeah, I am covinced its spam
username is just the name of the product pretty much
 
I see. Thanks.
 
@Dharman better do a !!/report to smokey ...
multi line ... breaks formatting
 
7:33 AM
Why my report is not in correct format?
@rene Thanks.
 
yw
 
The above one is spam, isn't it?
 
@CodyGray Thanks, as usual :-)
 
7:53 AM
@Antonio yep, 100%
 
 
1 hour later…
 
 
1 hour later…
10:12 AM
 
10:52 AM
 
 
1 hour later…
12:02 PM
Has there been a change in the number of votes needed before being able to delete a question? I am seeing questions with -2 allowing for deletion.
 
no, it has always been -1 or -3 if it less than 2 days old
 
@Nkosi you're not tricked by A/B/C test?
 
With all the "experiments" ongoing you never know these days
 
Next week we run the test where your delete vote is recorded and the post is removed for you but not for others ...
15
 
12:18 PM
Morning
 
Why can't I see the hidden spam link?
 
@Dharman Click edit
 
what sorcery is this, why is the link only shown when I click edit?
 
@Dharman Any sorcery on this site is the responsibility of the new question wizard
5
 
12:37 PM
@SmokeDetector @MichaelDodd re your comment on this answer: the original was 20k deleted, presumably because it wasn't a stellar question and it had a suspicious link to the affected site in it.
 
@Adriaan Oh agreed that it was probably deleted with reason, just making the point to OP that it's pointless to link to a question that only a tiny percentage of users can see
 
@Adriaan I should've looked here before posting my comment then
 
@Adriaan Possibly related alt account - Look at site name compared to previous user
 
Did something change recently in the works on which deleted posts of your own you can see when being <10k? I had an answer on the original pronoun-FAQ, which is deleted, and now I can see the question+my answer, but nothing else
 
12:42 PM
WHAT? The FAQ is deleted? Did they roll back the CoC changes?
 
@MichaelDodd you can modflag; I'll hold off for the time being. Users claim different locations, new user has the link in only 1 answer, and there are no overlapping answers between the two of them
 
@Adriaan As far as I know, you've always been able to see your own deleted posts, even when the question was deleted.
 
@Dharman No, they posted a new one
@MichaelDodd even further: the Q there was asked by a completely new account as well. Elaborate spam ring?
 
@Adriaan Maybe, I'll keep tabs until a closer link emerges
 
^^ oh look. A delete vote found a home there
 
If someone posts an answer that’s an obvious repeat of existing answers, can we flag it as VLQ? Or should we just downvote and comment?
 
@EJoshuaS How close together were they posted?
 
@EJoshuaS the latter. As long as it is not plagiarism, that's all you can do. If it happens more often with a single user, modflag. If it happens more often on the same question by persons with low rep: (ask for) protecting it
 
1:27 PM
@NathanOliver Several minutes later, and it was a single-sentence answer.
 
If it's in the first 5 minutes (I have to draw a line somewhere) I just leave it be. They might not have been notified of new answers and by the time they posted it is a "duplicate". After that I normally comment saying it is not needed, adds nothing new. Sometimes that is accompanied by a down vote but that is normally for late answers that add nothing new.
 
1:44 PM
 
1:56 PM
@Adriaan I went NAA. Q looks No MCVE, especially with that answer
 
@Machavity makes sense, ta
 
^pos POB as well
^gold ham in - think might be a double dupe (or is a trail of dupes waiting to be cleaned up)
 
@treyBake I rather have red(dish) ham than gold TBH. I'd suspect it to have gone bad, or someone to have stolen my gold and plated the thing
 
I recommend Maxwell's silver ham
3
 
@StephenKennedy Steamed silver hams?
 
@treyBake Pseudo-Ham Product?
 
@Machavity Take my star and get out!
 
haha it took me too long to get what you guys were on about.. you abbreviate one time! haha
 
2:29 PM
Google wrote a nature article on their new quantum computer.
 
2:47 PM
I can see more than -1 down votes. the experiment is finally over. yaay
3
 
M--
@Makyen Thanks
 
\o/ welcome back, Roomba Forecaster
 
now to wait 6 - 8 for the review on meta
 
Does anyone know which userscript makes up and down votes visible on sites where one does not have the requisite rep for that feature? (I thought I had it installed but I can't get a vote breakdown on MSE)
 
2:51 PM
@Makyen That works, thanks Makyen
 
np
 
@Nkosi At least you got to see negative numbers. I've missed them so
 
M--
@StephenKennedy don't rub my face in it mate :D
 
@M-- Lol, no connotations were intended other than that negative downvotes not showing apparently caused the Forecaster to be inaccurate :)
 
M--
2:58 PM
JK ;)
 
3:28 PM
@Shree Better still, make the API able to return deleted questions
 
@Machavity yep . Sorry , don't want to start mess here but I agree with that request. Not all , but at list over 10k on main site must deserve to see deleted post , they want to know what's going on.
 
@Shree Charcoal could really benefit as well
 
@Machavity that comment is gold xD
 
@Machavity yep
How many up-vote we cast on meta comment ? It's 100 or it's depend's on meta rep.
 
3:46 PM
@Shree I think you get 40 votes a day, even on Meta
100 is the number of flags
 
@Machavity Nop when I give feed back on natty and it's up-vote canned comment , it's more than 40. Confuse .
 
@Shree Hrm. Coulda sworn it was 40 based on this badge
 
@StephenKennedy Just FYI, you can have Roomba Forecaster fetch the data from the SE API: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=47527720#47527720
If SE changes to masking the votes all the time, I'll make fetching them from the API the default. Although, I'll want to implement something that allows the API response to be shared with multiple scripts, as we probably don't want to have several scripts each fetch the question and answer data every time you load a page.
 
@Machavity That's votes on posts, not comments
@Makyen That sounds like it would be a lot of work. Let's hope it doesn't come to that! Thanks for the info.
 
3:54 PM
@Shree It's 30 comment upvotes/day on each site (including meta sites), according to The Complete Rate-Limiting Guide
 
:47660129 Nop it's up-vote Natty canned comment.
 
@Makyen The comment upvoting and flagging is sourced from How does comment voting and flagging work?, which is sourced from this blog post.
 
@Makyen Still confuse . I use AF to give feed back to Natty / SD. I am sure I generally out of flag and AF auto up-vote natty comment or similar comment . That's more than 30 :(
 
Morning all /o
 
o\
 
4:06 PM
@StephenKennedy Comment up-vote not post.
 
@Shree I'm not sure what to tell you on that one. You shouldn't get more than 30 upvotes/day on comments per site, with the only exception being SE system generated automatic upvotes on close-vote comments (which are not included in the 30 vote limit).
 
@Shree Yes, that's what I was trying to say :)
 
@Makyen Ahhh I am able to confuse Maken .It's my day :)
Thanks for meta link but still confuse.
 
4:31 PM
@Shree :-)
 
5:13 PM
Hello, I just hit 3k! \o/
6
got me wondering, should i stop looking through the triage queue now?
 
@NickReed at least give the CVQ a go ...
 
5:29 PM
@NickReed As long as you don't look at Help and Improvement...
 
@rene @Machavity I'm not sure I understand?
 
Triage feeds into the Help & Improvement queue
 
@NickReed I meant reviewing stuff in the Close Vote Review Queue
 
Ah! I'm reading the FAQ for socvr, will hit the queue next. I more meant, if I can close, should I still look at triage, since it looks to mostly be about flagging?
 
5:44 PM
@NickReed You can work as many or as few queues as you like
Machavity was joking (kinda). The Help & Improvement queue isn't terribly popular around here, as most of the posts in it are unsalvageable :(
@NickReed Congrats on the 3k and welcome to the room \o/
 
just finished the faq, thanks for the warm welcome! time to dive into the queue and begin lurking cv-pls requests
 
@NickReed In all cases, including Triage, where you used to raise a close-flag, you will now cast a close-vote. You will no longer be able to raise close-flags. So, your continued use of Triage is beneficial. In fact, it's more beneficial than when you were raising flags, because your close-votes will directly count towards the 5 close-votes needed (i.e. in addition to moving the question into the close vote queue, which close-flags also do, your close-votes count towards votes needed to close).
 
w h o a, it converted the flags to close votes, i did not know that
what sorcery is this
 
5:59 PM
@NickReed Once you're over 3k you can no longer cast flags to close things; you can only cast votes
this is an improvement in most cases, as you can actually contribute one of the necessary votes to close a question
however, it also means you can now submit half as many items to the close queue if that's what you're trying to do (as you're limited to 50 close votes a day, whereas you can have as many as 100 flags per day)
 
awesome! thank you, seriously, for the help and info.
i had 50 flags so- no noticeable difference i guess
 
as you cast flags which are marked helpful each day, you gain that many additional "max flags" the next day (and onward) up to 100
so someone with 100 flags per day has cast at least 90 flags that have been marked helpful
(you start with 10)
 
(wasn't it one extra flag for every ten that were helpful?)
 
@NickReed not unless something changed since I hit 100 helpful flags
hmm, looks like the rule does say one extra flag for every 10 helpful flags now
 
@TylerH FYI: You only get 1 additional flag for every 10 helpful flags.
 
6:06 PM
I would swear back in 2015 when I was first flagging things it was 1:1
 
ninja'd (again) :-)
 
also I definitely didn't know about the additional flag per 2k reputation, seems silly to make it so slow (in both regards)
I'd grant 10 additional flags for every 2k rep and 1 extra flag per helpful flag, if I ran the zoo
 
@TylerH I agree with the more rapid advance based on rep. I'd expect that the rate for helpful flags is also to reflect the experience you get about what things should be flagged from having actually flagged things. 1:10 may be too slow, but a rate of 1:1 seems too fast to me. That'd make it possible to get to 100 available flags in a single day.
 
@Makyen no it wouldn't. You have to wait til the next day for your flags to increase
you wouldn't have 100 flags til day 5, and that's assuming all your subsequent flags from previous days are marked helpful (and in the same day as they are cast, no less)
 
@TylerH Not the last time I checked. The last time I checked, the additional flag is available immediately after 10 have been marked as helpful.
 
6:13 PM
@Makyen can confirm, i've burned all my flags in a day but then received another through "helpful" marks
 
If SE had a motorsport site and I got a flag ban, would I have a checkered flag history?
9
I'll see myself out.
 
thanks
 
6:41 PM
does SO sic a network ban on accounts like that?
 
Only if a moderator gets involved. If it's deleted by red-flags then it should be fed into SpamRam, which should block the IP address.
 
7:26 PM
insert internal screaming here
THE SCREAMING CONTINUES
the screaming has stopped
 
watch as the wild gunr now goes back into his natural habitat, the conference room
 
well, this is my conference room today....
no that's not me
no I'm not getting in that thing
 
W.T.F???
Why?
 
halloween!
friday
 
That's not a legitimate excuse ;)
 
7:34 PM
we're fighting with HR to make that our company dress code
 
7:47 PM
@gunr2171 what's up with the lego?
 
That's the department's theme
we have a whole bunch of boxes that we dressed up to look like giant legos
 
okay, kewl.
 
8:32 PM
@gunr2171 lol
@nbro hi, please edit your message if possible to include [tag:cv-pls] at the beginning if you are making a request for us to give some attention to that post
See socvr.org/tour for more info
 
@TylerH Well, it's not the first time I come to this chat, but I always forget the tag.
 
thanks :-)
also, it looks like there was no recent activity (aside from your own) on that question. I'll let it slide this time, but in the future, keep in mind we do not allow requests on questions with no relatively recent activity (and editing a post to make it have recent activity does not count, either), as there are a limited # of CVs to go around and always more questions to close than we have votes for.
 
Not sure why you have this restriction
 
@nbro If you read the tour, you'll find out :-). It is very detailed.
The basics is that we want to focus the room's efforts on the latest material where (a) a post will be bumped to the front page, taking up the time of a lot of people, and (b) a user who is active gets the opportunity to understand why their post was off-topic at the time of their posting it
Old material can still be improved, closed, or deleted, but the original poster is often long gone, and they won't see the edits.
 
8:50 PM
Heh, the new firefox kinda shoves in your face the fact that facebook is tracking SO users.
2
Neat feature.
 
Well, I still don't understand why these are valid reasons not to improve a post or mark a post as a duplicate
 
9:12 PM
@nbro it's because we are not just a group of people that closes things; we focus primarily on thing that are the worst, that need more attention than would organically arrive. This helps 1) keep the front page clean, 2) prevent people using bad examples to justify wrong behavior WRT closing things, asking things, etc., and more
if we allow people to go back into the annals of history to find close-worthy questions, we'd have no CVs left for the new stuff
 
How many CVs are available for each user?
 
@nbro up to 50 per day.
 
That's a lot
 
however, questions require 5 CVs each to close (unless you find someone with a gold badge for duplicate questions)
@nbro It's really not
 
Have you ever run out of CVs?
 
9:17 PM
@TylerH ~40 of which are often used in the queue - leaving only 10 for the chat
 
@nbro Every day for the past couple years
 
Well, each user can contribute to close 50 questions
 
@NickReed yes, chat (or organic browsing)
 
@TylerH Maybe they should increase the number for those of you that are constantly dealing with the issue
 
@nbro yes, now consider there are around 8,000 in the close vote queue and about as many new questions asked every day, probably 5000 of which are close-worthy
@nbro that would be great, and we've asked for that or similar things (like splitting the piles of CVs for the queue and for the rest of the site so that the queue doesn't drain our normal '50 CV' pile)
 
9:19 PM
I typically use 20-30 cv's a day in the C++ tag so I've stopped using the queue. By the end of the day I just don't have it in me to see more close worthy posts
 
Have you tried to raise this issue on meta?
 
Each time the employees say 'not worth it' or 'then you'd burn out and stop forever'
it's clearly not a priority for them as closed questions don't generate ad revenue for them
(because people stop going to them)
 
It's been brought up several times. They even ran an experiment and the results where it doesn't matter if the core group has more votes.
 
looks like meta agrees we should have more but no one's really doing anything (that post was ~4 years ago)
 
What are they doing for being so busy?
 
9:20 PM
What we will have soon crosses fingers is only needing 3 votes to close a Q. That should make our life a lot better
 
@nbro well... you can check out Meta Stack Exchange to find out... :-)
they have been focused on making Stack Overflow "nicer" over the last 3ish years
 
i'm a little bummed about missing the 3-cv experiment by just a few weeks, but i saw the meta post and it looks like it would help
 
hm
 
@NathanOliver Hence why I have a 10:1 CV:CVQ ratio
 
@NickReed yeah, the results were great, but then moderator-gate happened and Shog also started a new experiment before implementing a change based on the prior one, so...
 
9:23 PM
@nbro Have you heard of Documentation?
 
they spent a lot of effort with Stack Overflow Docs for nothing
@NathanOliver yeah
they clearly want to improve their revenue with the efforts of voluntary people
We should be earning something real and not just reputation
 
The reason SO sees so little dev time is that it is basically feature complete. For what SO wants out of it (money) they have everything they need. If the power users lack tools, well oh well. They not having them isn't going to cost them any money and the money they are making will keep coming in
 
@nbro in some cases high reputation does have real world implications
 
@TylerH really? i'm certainly nowhere near that high, but what kinda implications could it have - like, buffing your resume if you're looking for a new job?
 
I said that they spent a lot of effot with the docs, but I meant we community spent it
My miserable 6000+ reputation has not helped me yet
 
9:28 PM
@NickReed getting talk invites, bragging rights, some people put it on their resumes, Joel Spolsky also once said (a long time ago when there were way fewer users with 10k rep, of course) he'd hire anyone with 10k rep on SO on the spot
 
Do you have to be Skeet to be hired quickly?
 
Don't let that distract you though; chasing rep to get real world benefits is definitely the wrong direction
Chase knowledge and skill and the rep (and real world benefits) will follow
 
i figured as much, i chased to 3k so i could get rights and accidentally learned regex along the way
6
 
@NickReed Happens to the best of us.
 
@NickReed now you have 3,001 problems
4
 
9:32 PM
i accidentally a knowledge ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
 
I had a problem. I tried multi-threading to solve it. have 2 I . Now problems
15
 
10:21 PM
Giggle
I got 99 coding problems, but a switch() ain't one
@nbro We are just volunteers, the only way we can increase the number of SO CVR participants is if people want to.
Perhaps we could ask for an open-source style sidebar ad to encourage folks to help.
You do have to be bonkers to volunteer though, it's like baling the Titanic out with a thimble.
 

« first day (2162 days earlier)      last day (1647 days later) »