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12:01 AM
 
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Answer posted to the Android question that was reopened at How to update an already created Wi-Fi configuration.
 
1:01 AM
@Radiodef: I kinda feel like stackoverflow.com/q/9632387 should probably be reopened, or at least closed as a dupe of something with answers that actually address the concurrent modification issue.
 
@IlmariKaronen I've been wondering if it should just be deleted altogether, since we can't easily guess what the problem is. But yeah, the dupe doesn't really address it.
 
@Radiodef Here's one potential dupe target for it: stackoverflow.com/questions/38527429/…
 
@IlmariKaronen That could work, I guess. What I'm wondering about is whether it's actually useful as a landing off a search engine. Somebody who's searching about IndexOutOfBoundsException is probably not helped by a discussion of multithreading. The fact that it has 10,000 views makes me think people are finding it who were trying to look for something else.
 
@Radiodef It's the first result (for me) for the same search on Google.
So yeah, I think it's probably a useful signpost for people who did something like the OP and got an error saying ArrayList.add() threw an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException.
 
@Radiodef ...but not for "indexoutofboundexception arraylist"‌​. So it seems to be working as intended: if you're getting an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException from ArrayList, you're probably doing something unsafe with multiple threads.
 
Or did, since I just tested it in Java 11 and it doesn't do that anymore.
 
@Radiodef Wasn't documented in Java 8, either: docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/…
 
1:22 AM
@IlmariKaronen ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException extends IndexOutOfBoundsException.
 
@Radiodef Ah... true, then it's technically correct, I guess. :P
 
2:09 AM
Hmm... one of stackoverflow.com/q/5317406 and stackoverflow.com/q/50460371 should probably be reopened, and the other marked as a dupe of it. Any opinions on which one? @Radiodef?
 
@IlmariKaronen I would close the one with fewer views.
 
@Radiodef Makes sense... although on a second thought, I kinda feel like the less viewed one is better written, and has better answers. :P
Could just mark both as dupes of stackoverflow.com/q/8896758, but I'd then foresee confused newbies going "but I'm not using an ArrayList, I'm using a Vector". :P
 
2:25 AM
@IlmariKaronen I put some links in a comment, but I think reopening that one makes sense, at least for the moment.
 
 
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4:40 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto Yeah, definitely "gimme teh codez" on that one.
 
 
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7:17 AM
not sure about the duplicate target; somebody who is familiar with Java can probably find a better one
 
8:28 AM
Heh, I struck "gold" again.
 
9:26 AM
@SmokeDetector tool-rec on a non tool-rec question, what to do?
 
 
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10:44 AM
@IslamElshobokshy there are no pending close votes: did you retract your vote?
 
@Cœur elso, general computing, and off-site resource request
@Adriaan I think it's fine for answers to be tool recommendations, just not for questions to ask for tool recommendations
like "how can I fix my botched ad-hoc HTML parser" -> "use a library"
 
@StephenKennedy Does it need to be exactly 2? I got a score of 3...
 
11:25 AM
@SmokeDetector copied the accepted answer and inserted a spam link
 
12:03 PM
@IljaEverilä Missed that they did mention the IDE they're using, hence invalid closure request.
 
@IljaEverilä "Is there any tools or program for me to do this?" I'd say it's pretty valid
Bah, was just edited
 
12:24 PM
^ Aware that the dupe target is itself a dupe, but the link is closer
 
user10877295
12:35 PM
hello all
 
o/
 
1:41 PM
Hey!
Just popping by to brag about having done my 2000th LQP review :p
 
@Unihedron grtz ;p
 
@Unihedron wheeeey! :)
 
2:43 PM
Just came across a suggested edit to a 4608 word answer D:
 
@NickA Did it change a lowercase i to uppercase?
 
@MichaelDodd Haha fortunately not, it removed a "phallic typo" >.<
 
@NickA I'm still waiting for someone to post about the CoC (code of conduct) one day and not notice it's been auto corrected to something else :)
 
@JonClements That's why I don't talk about the CoC from my phone :P
 
indeed :)
 
2:53 PM
Dang, no step back option in VBA T_T
 
Step back?
 
@NickA Yeah like an opposite of F8 where you can step forward
 
@TylerH Ahhh, that kind of step back
 
I mean it makes total sense
 
Well there kinda is
 
2:59 PM
but I just wish there were one
 
Just click and drag the yellow arrow on the left to the line you want to run, it's not a real step back, but it may serve your purposes
 
Well, there's always SO, where we have F5: walk around in circles
 
@NickA nah I am thinking/wishing for an 'undo' step back
 
Yeah, to the best of my knowledge you can't do that
 
^ Not going to even attempt to clear that one up
 
3:01 PM
yeah, the code to undo back to the previous state would be wildly different
VBA probably isn't designed to keep a copy of the state of whatever you're working on in memory
 
wowsers... all 6 flags to nuke that were at exactly the same time... has the auto-flagging upped to allow 6 now or something?
 
Ron
3:19 PM
o/
 
\o
 
@tripleee IMO only if that's the only possible answer
 
@JonClements I only see 3 auto flags on that... metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/flagging/logs, you better investigate some ;)
 
@JonClements Sometimes the autoflagging is a bit slow, which allows users to even get their manual flags in prior to the autoflags. So, any moderately reasonable combination/timing of autoflags and manual is possible.
 
@Makyen as long as users are on-line :D
 
3:25 PM
@PetterFriberg True :-)
 
Ahh... was looking at the wrong timestamp - but first few were very close - so yeah - looks okay when you read it properly and have coffee - i.stack.imgur.com/oF2sJ.png
so the bottom one is smokey's flag, the other two look like auto-flags and I guess the rest were natural responses... all good :p
 
Great, people are quick today... but also you since it did not arrive to 7 flags :)
If you like to check who had the auto-flags you can check the link I sent to you before it was SD, ByteCommander and quartata. The rest should all be manual.
 
thanks... I always forget that's there... so yes... those two auto flags match what I see in SO itself (1 second after smokey's flag) and the rest indeed are others... all cool in the pool
 
3:56 PM
@JonClements What?!? Nobody told me about the pool party :(
 
sorry... it's only a small pool and I thought you might "crowd it out" as it were :(
also - you might have gotten thirsty and just drained it :(
 
The water bowl is not a pool ;)
 
@JonClements You calling me fat?
 
@NathanOliver oh come on - can't a puppy have some grandiose?
@Adriaan no no... of course not... but you might well trunkate the room available :p
 
@JonClements and that's exactly why me and me friends go swimming in a lake or river. No such space-nonsense that way
 
Ron
4:20 PM
@NathanOliver That was one mighty dupe find.
 
Hmmm ... the close-vote feature seems to have disappeared from SO for me - did I do something wrong, is my browser broken? :)
 
Ron
Kudos to you sir.
 
plop
 
Ron
All the cool cats are in here.
 
to answer my own question - tapermonkey had shat itself. That was a first.
 
4:40 PM
@Adriaan you're still my favourite pink elephant... :)
 
@JonClements He's everyone's
Plop there
 
\o Paul
 
@tink I use ViolentMonkey personally, as it is open source whereas TM is not. What problem did TM encounter?
@Ron Now I'm annoyed with C++ because it calls those Destructors and not Deconstructors
 
@TylerH I thought all languages called them destructors...
I don't know about you but when I don't need an instance any more I blow it to pieces, not take it apart bit by bit :P
 
4:49 PM
No improvement
 
Yeah I rejected but saw that some approved now, too me since highly upvoted I think the old title is good enough (maybe less technical but probably more search friendly)
 
Ron
@TylerH It's a harsh world we live in ;)
 
@TylerH it simply had stopped working (crashed). Will have a look at violent monkey
 
@PetterFriberg I passed a no imp. on it
 
ok, rejected now, I put a custom comment since I felt that the users was trying to help.
 
4:52 PM
@tink IIRC, @Makyen (who writes a lot of useful SO userscripts) uses ViolentMonkey as well
 
@PetterFriberg Yeah, I didn't feel the need of putting another custom as I could see you already had
 
@NickA well I guess it depends on the efficiency of the matter and whether you want to deconstruct it to move part of it over to another place or just blow it all up for good :-D
 
@TylerH sounds like a reasonable switch, then :)
 
@PetterFriberg I'm inclined to reject too, because the question has such an insane number of views. Better not to touch it since the Q&A is doing very well as-is.
 
4:57 PM
Checking the answers now it's actually also correct to reject since there are answers that implements Comparable (hence no need for Comparator), anyway thanks for feedback.
 
@TylerH - that was a swift migration; thanks for the pointer.
 
\o/
long live open source software
 
Ron
^^^
What this American dude said.
 
@TylerH Actually, I generally use Tampermonkey, but test in Violentmonkey and Greasemonkey (GM). Prior to Mozilla switching to WebExtensions only in Firefox, I used GM 3, but stopped using GM as primary once the transition to GM 4 was forced by Mozilla. I, generally, use Tampermonkey primarily because it's the most common, as that makes it more likely to find issues other people might have. If I had to choose just for myself, I'd seriously consider Violentmonkey.
But, wouldn't use GM4 due to various issues, primarily compatibility.
 
Good to know @Makyen ... I'll keep tapermonkey installed but disabled for the time being :)
 
5:06 PM
bleps over
 
@Makyen Ah, color me corrected
 
@genpfault Last active nearly 10 years ago?
 
@MichaelDodd: Came up in the close vote review queue for me
 
@genpfault Right, if it's in the queue then fair enough for yourself, but AFAIK it shouldn't be posted in SOCVR if there isn't any recent activity
 
@MichaelDodd: Ah, alrighty, thanks for the heads-up!
 
How this-type of questions should be flagged?
 
@PetterFriberg Question has been migrated, and I can no longer delete my comment. Feel free to flag NLN.
 
typically unclear/tb @double-beep
I dont know batch very well so I don't know which one it is
 
@Makyen as a reply to chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/45002454#45002454 why are you putting the username twice? Seen it in some @MichaelDodd's requests also.
 
folks - why did anyone think that's suitable for SU?
 
5:20 PM
I actually was thinking it would not be migrated... darn...
 
@double-beep Good question. Probable a bug. Thanks for pointing it out. Investigating.
 
@double-beep Heh, never noticed that. Must be a bug in the cv-pls script
 
@Makyen Thought is wasn't :).
 
@JonClements anyway "How to install" is a classic on SU ;).
 
@JonClements It's gotten an answer already. Take the last part out and it seems on-topic for SU
 
5:24 PM
I'm dubious about that - just going to find an SU mod...
 
@double-beep POB or more likely "Too Broad"
We don't know what specific metrics OP is interested in -- does it scale with the amount of data? Does it take days to complete and he wants it in hours? Minutes? Seconds? Etc.
 
@TylerH Thanks! Flagged!
 
but yeah I just wanted the darn off-topic belongs to other site banner .... my fault..
I had so much confusion on that first I saw OP vandalizing posts (he tried more then once) (raise flag), then I saw answer was not related (retracted flag and raise new one), then I saw OP had changed the question, retract flag again and cv :)
 
5:58 PM
@double-beep It looks like SE changed the HTML for usercards to have a hidden <span> with a duplication of the username. The script was not filtering that out. I've made a change, but need to do a bit more testing prior to pushing it out.
 
@Makyen Done then!
 
6:20 PM
Any rules on asking a gold badge about adding dupes to an already closed question?
 
@NickA Nope. As long as the Q is closed already
 
@Machavity Well it was hammered by 2 gold users to the same dupe, but I don't think it answers the question OP is actually asking, but is definitely related (question in question)
 
6:57 PM
@Ron Thanks. I've used it a few times so I knew it was floating around.
 
7:09 PM
Ugh, GitHub moved its CSS to a new domain
Now the site's layout is horribad until I get security to whitelist that extra domain
Luckily this is a good opportunity to try and sneak the githubusercontent domain into the request as well
 
@TylerH So cover all their assets at once? :P
 
@Machavity Well it was a delicate matter getting them to unblock github to begin with
I really did it so I could access the SOCVR repo and like one other
I couldn't really justify unblocking githubusercontent on its own as that's just for raw user hosted files which isn't typically needed unless you're trying to directly install some browser JS addon or something
It's just annoying that it's all blocked under 'filesharing website' in the first place
 
7:47 PM
Woot. I'm getting swag \o/. I getting a watch from the Time for more swag contest.
5
 
@NathanOliver congrats!
Let us know how it is when you receive it in 6 to 8 years
3
 
They actually talked about that in the email
> Since the watches are being custom made for this special occasion, please allow for 6-8 weeks for these to get to you — as in actually 6-8 weeks, not the "trademark SE 6-8 weeks."
So here's hoping :)
 
suuure
 
8:21 PM
Weird. My hammer failed on that one. Anyone else ever have that happen?
 
@MikeM. I dunno if there's been a change, I saw a post earlier which had a CV and then got hammered by a gold user, but both users mentioned in the close list are gold holders
 
@NickA That might've been the first gold badger voting as something other than duplicate.
 
@MikeM. Yeah, didn't check in time
@MikeM. "unless that user participated in editing the tags" ahhh, you can't tag then hammer
first did a tag edit
 
@NickA Ah, yep, that'd do it. I didn't do anything but VtC, in my case.
 
Is anyone else having issues editing posts right now?
 
8:30 PM
@MikeM. I got an error when VtC but it did register, I think someone mentioned a long wait and then an error when VtC as duplicate a few days ago as well
 
I'm trying to edit stackoverflow.com/questions/54080944/… and it just fails after showing me the loading ellipsis for about 30 seconds saying "an error occurred submitting the edit"
nvm, works now
weird
 
@NickA Yeah, that's probably something to do with it. Took forever for the vote to actually go through.
 
folks, this question shows me as open with 5 (five!) close votes on it. It is first time I am seeing such a thing, could somebody else take a look at it, maybe there's some glitch on my side and it is already closed or maybe has less than 5 CVs really?
 
@gnat I see five votes, too.
Looks like it's glitch day.
 
@gnat it now needs 6 to 8 votes to close a question ....
5
 
8:43 PM
@rene need to make this room bigger ...
 
@gnat Maybe someone retracted his vote but the counter didn't change
 
@gnat there are 6 close voters now
 
waiting for the meta post ...
 
Wasn't there a old bug that resulted in no number of close-votes actually closing the question? As in a couple of questions getting 10–20 close-votes.
 
8:46 PM
@Makyen yeah, there is a bug report somewhere on meta, IIRC from Shog9 even
 
@rene I feel like I remember that but the only one i can find is this one on MSE
 
@gnat happens now and then:data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/959846 notice there is one with 7 close voters ...
 
Ahah! found it! 28 close votes
 
LOL
 
9:16 PM
I don't understand SmokeDetectors analysis of stackoverflow.com/questions/54055828/… .... to me it looks rather garrulous and with ample whitespace?
 
@tink It was self-vandalised, I've rolled back once and OP hasn't tried again
 
@NickA oh, OK. On that note: is the tone in the comments acceptable?
 
@tink Meh, a bit bitter IMO, nothing too bad
 
@NickA uh-huh ... I didn't look at the edit history of the whole thing, but complaining about too much background was new to me
 
@tink If you're ever not sure of the reasoning behind and SD report you can press the MS link at the left and it will provide more information, including what the post contained when it was reported
 
9:21 PM
OK, ta, will bare that in mind @NickA
 
9:31 PM
 
@M-M Last activity 10 months ago?
 
M-M
@TylerH so I just should let that thread be cause it's old? (genuinely asking)
 
@M-M No, you can always vote however you like on your own. However, the SOCVR room has a general expectation that requests are for questions where immediacy is needed (cc @Makyen for a more comprehensive answer on this)
E.g. to prevent new answers, spam, etc. on questions that are on the front page of activity and thus 'higher risk' Qs, so to speak
 
M-M
@TylerH you are right, I forgot about that (unless it's a tag with low traffic) I'll (try) to delete my req. THX
 
Casting a CV on a new and old question will send the question to the CV queue where it will likely get enough eyes on it to close (as appropriate); site site specializes in those Qs that are being seeing by askers/answerers organically, typically
No worries. I also post some cv-pls requests of old stuff on occasion, when the recent activity is months ago (so long as the question is years and years old). But I always try to explain why
In this case I agree with you on the closure, FWIW
 
M-M
9:48 PM
@TylerH that question and most of the other threads linked to it are very much proper candidates for closure. I voted on the other ones but will only cv-req the ones which were active within last month.
 
@TylerH You basically covered it.
@M-M This question appears to have 2 parts to it. The first asking for "a brief explanation" (maybe too broad), which the top-voted answer does answer. The other portion "a link as to where I can learn more about it" is obviously off-topic. Perhaps what's needed is cleaning up the Question to be only the first part of the question and deleting the questions which are only links.
 
@Makyen that'd be a decent solution but ought to involve a moderator at least, if not Meta
IMHO
 
@TylerH I agree with either or both directions for how to proceed. I should have been more clear that I wasn't meaning that it should be done unilaterally.
 
@Makyen Sure, wasn't suggesting you thought so... just clarifying explicitly for anyone else who might have, though :-)
 
10:04 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre - why do you feel this is too broad? He does something in an ugly way, but hs a (admittedly flawed) working solution ...
 
okay, then typo items = print(random.choice(item)): assigning the return of print always yields None
 
M-M
@Makyen agreeing with getting rid of only-link answers but still think the question should be closed either as off-topic or TB (just not sure if you were saying the same thing or were implying that question should not be closed)
 
 
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11:32 PM
@double-beep Is there some activity on/about this question which isn't obvious from the question page (mentioned somewhere, a rejected edit, proposed dup, etc.)? The last activity shown for this question was 5 years, 1 month ago. That's too old for a cv-pls. While there isn't an explicitly stated limit, cv-pls requests should, generally, be for questions for which the community benefits from them being closed quickly. Please see #11 in the FAQ.
@double-beep If you feel this question should be closed, then you should consider if it was appropriate to down-vote the question. For this question, now that it's been down-voted once, it will be deleted by the Roomba in 4 days. If you want to be informed about each question's Roomba status, I wrote a userscript Roomba Forecaster, which will add that status on each question page.
 

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