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@NicholasK Wrong link I think
Also, questions have to have a score of -3 to be eligible for 20k deletion, so that question isn't eligible yet
 
Oh thanks for the info @EJoshuaS
@EJoshuaS: What about the 10k deletion?
 
@NicholasK I think it has to be closed for 2 days if I remember correctly, then it becomes eligible for 10k deletion regardless of score
 
5:44 AM
@NicholasK You've linked an answer in this request which is at score=3. Did you really mean to link that post? Anyway… Answers must be at score < 0 in order to be eligible for 20k+ deletion. A del-pls for a post that is not within 1 point of being eligible for delete-votes is often considered to be an implicit request for down-votes, which isn't permitted. As such, I'm going to move this request to /dev/null. Feel free to re-request when the post is eligible for delete-votes.
@NicholasK Markdown formatting doesn't work in multi-line messages. You will need to split the message into two different ones.
 
@Makyen Sorry I meant to link the question not the answer.
 
@NicholasK np. It happens. I'd kind-of figured that's what you'd intended, but could neither be sure about it, nor do anything other than move the message out of the room, even if I was sure (which was what I was doing anyway).
 
5:59 AM
 
@Graham Personally, it's always seemed like a waste of votes to re-open something just to close it for a different reason (or, in this case, to re-open one just to close the other one as a duplicate instead). That's just my opinion, though.
 
@EJoshuaS In general, I agree, but given that it's duplicates, it's a lot easier if you can convince a gold-badge holder who can do this themselves. (cc: @Graham)
 
@Makyen That's true... wielding Mjolnir does make those matters simpler.
 
 
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@tripleee also now solved by duplicate per comment from OP
 
 
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@NathanOliver My, my, congrats Nathan.
 
2:52 PM
@Makyen gotcha, thanks
 
3:36 PM
@Ron well, obviously I'm doing much better in that tag: I'm in the "All Time" list while Nathan is nowhere to be seen there ...
 
I'm in the all time list as well (admittedly - at the very, very bottom)... I've got a score of 2 apparently... I'm clearly more awesome than I thought I was at C++ :p
 
I've got a score of 2 in C++ as well. Is there a badge for that?
 
@rene umm... thought there would have been enough clues in this spam answer for smokey to have noticed?
@StephenKennedy sadly not - shall we start a campaign? :p
 
@rene plz send teh coffee
 
3:44 PM
hmm
@StephenKennedy if you stay out of that tag for 6 to 8 years, sure.
 
@rene oh okay... yeah... that's her first message of the day here it would appear...
 
@JonClements not sure why it didn't post here nor in SOBotics.
asked in CHQ about that
 
Yeah... curious... chat.stackoverflow.com/users/3735529/smokedetector?tab=recent looks a little odd... would expect a lot more activity from her here...
 
hmm, yeah.
 
4:39 PM
she's alive! :)
 
4:50 PM
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays There's a bad character, ŧ, in your [tag:del-pls] please edit.
 
@Makyen Oopsie daisy. Thanks. :x
 
np.
@tripleee Error in request tag. Please edit.
@rene @JonClements I'm not seeing any SD messages over the last several hours in Charcoal HQ which "should" have been posted here in SOCVR, but were not. The last message (except the 2 just posted) was at 10:35Z. All prior messages (shown in SD's recent posts) were posted in all of SOCVR (all moved to the Graveyard), SOBotics, and Troll Chat (some were deleted in SOCVR, so don't show in the list in SD's user recent activity, but are in the Graveyard transcript.
There are some additional SD reports in Charcoal HQ which were not reported into any of the above rooms, but all of those have only "Potentially" reasons, which are classified as experimental and none of the above rooms are configured to get the reports from experimental reasons.
Unfortunately, as SD currently exists, the experimental setting is all-or-nothing. If it's set, then the room gets the experimental reports from across all of SE, not just the rooms it would otherwise receive reports for.
 
@Makyen sorry, curse of mobile keyboard
 
@tripleee np. Thanks.
 
@Makyen Umm... is that the case with this post though?
 
5:05 PM
@JonClements Yes. The MS post shows that it was caught only for "Potentially bad keyword in answer", which is an "experimental" reason. That reason is actually SD's "watchlist".
 
oh okay... for some reason I was thinking it should have been caught because of so many urls in the same domain kind of thing...
 
That might be a reasonable detection to have. I've considered suggesting it in the past (I'm not that familiar with Python, so haven't just whipped something up to test). OTOH, I know that some of my own posts would probably be caught for that reason, due to having multiple links to reference documentation which is in only one or two domains.
 
I think the system restricts the number of urls new users can post as links (that get rendered as links) anyway... so maybe if they're new and they've hit that limit might not be unreasonable... The person who posted that spam seemed to notice not all the links were included and continued in a comment as well :)
 
That's a good point. It would be interesting to see what posts and how many were detected. Limiting the detection to low-rep users is certainly desirable, and easily accomplished (just a setting in each detection).
 
5:23 PM
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays looks like you already picked :)
 
@JonClements can you please explain? :) Following the link I didn't even gather what it was as reference to ...
 
@JonClements I did. But I am not always completely sure. :)
 
It was referring to a now deleted comment
 
Yep, it was taken care of quickly.
 
Heh - ok, that would explain why I didn't see anything ;)
 
5:30 PM
@tink Well, the only thing you missed is a comment with both the words "ignorant" and "grandmother".
 
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays not a big loss, then ;)
 
6:14 PM
Also o/
 
 
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7:40 PM
@StephenKennedy Haha, nope, but there is star.
 
jww
What is the tag used for? It looks like the first question tagged is a map file produced by the linker, which is what I expect (Delphi Compile and Build produce different binary on same project). Since then a cornucopia of applications has been used.
 
@jww So, the for that tag are lost?
 
@Makyen worth noting I tried to watch the domain but smokey barked that it would already be caught so I gave up.
 
!!/bisect myhairact.com
 
7:49 PM
@Makyen Matched by myhairact\.com on line 7522 of watched_keywords.txt
 
Ron
Anyone in here uses vmware workstation?
 
@Ron yes
 
Ron
@StephenKennedy How on Earth do I update the SVGA driver to accommodate the latest OpenGL version?
Vm is W7.
 
@Ron within the guest or the host?
 
Ron
7:53 PM
Eeer, guest?
Host?
 
have you installed VMWare Tools?
 
Ron
I have.
It's 10.1.6.
 
@Makyen but the post should have been reported for that as I expect domains that are in the watchlist are not an experimental check, right?
 
well afaik all the guest drivers ship with VMWare Tools
 
Ron
I see.
 
7:55 PM
@rene The watchlist is considered part of experimental. As I understand it, it's any reason where the weight is locked to 1, which is the case for the watchlist.
 
they're on to version 15 now I think
 
Ron
@StephenKennedy What is your tools version?
 
@Makyen well, that is unexpected and should be changed IMO
 
Ron
I bought the 12.5.9. some years ago.
 
@rene Perhaps what is needed is options to the experimental reasons declaration that allows selecting a single site (i.e. so that SOCVR, SOBotics, etc. can receive just the SO experimental detections. However, those do contain a significantly higher percentage of FP posts.
 
7:57 PM
Hard to tell if you don't see them to start with though :)
 
@JonC! Long time no see! Thingy here: I move to another country in a week, and am not sure how much Trine time I'll have by then :p
 
@JonClements True. The lack of them here was one of the reasons I migrated to primarily watching Charcoal HQ, or The Fire Department, for SD reports.
 
@Adriaan no worries... it's not like it's the end of the world if it isn't played (I hope)... we'll get there eventually... Portal 2 only took ~year or so :)
 
Ron
@StephenKennedy I guess it's time for an upgrade.
 
Is there a danger if they were enabled here of flooding the room do you think @Makyen?
 
8:00 PM
@Ron ok so they must version tools seperately as I'm on VMW 14 but tools is 10.2.58068393
 
Ron
@StephenKennedy I see. Appreciate it.
 
@JonClements mind looking at those anonymous retags that are cluttering the queue? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/378631/… Please advice if you rather have a flag.
 
@JonClements which we played for what, 5 minutes, until you were called off to the phone? ;)
 
I think we managed about 20 mins at least :)
@rene will do so now...
 
jww
@Makyen, Well, it looks like the lack of a tag description allowed the confusion. We can't really say use of the tag is wrong since we don't know the tag's purpose. Linker map files and CSS map files are equally applicable.
 
8:02 PM
@JonClements I wouldn't call it flooding, but there are significantly more reports that are only detected by the experimental reasons. If the functionality to have only those on SO be reported was available, I'm sure it's something we'd at least try.
 
@Makyen well, it is more that if I say: watch [domain] and then I expect that is a sane call and with that I would expect that to lead to reports outside experimental. IOW: is watching a domain really an experimental feature and if not, can we move it out of that category to make it "main stream" .
 
@Makyen fair enough... guess that's something you guys can think about/look at... I'll just have to remember to not be surprised if I see something that "smokey" didn't catch but it did - it just wasn't posted here :)
 
@Ron correction 10.2.5.8068393
 
@jww Unfortunately, that often happens. People tend to create tags without thinking about disambiguation.
 
omg... there's loads of these anonymous user suggested edits...
 
8:05 PM
@JonClements Rob's user script Advanced Flagging shows if a post has been reported by Smokey
the flagging part is probably not of much to you (or him) tbf
 
@JonClements Belated (or Russian) happy holidays!
 
@JonClements yes, Cindy is right that she opened a meta post about it.
If it is still going on you might want to IP ban something
 
Looks like they're deliberately using several IP addresses.... would need to get a dev involved...
 
Is this an anonymous user basically trying to merge two tags manually?
 
they must like dataframes for sure
 
8:15 PM
@rene @JonClements I agree that it's against expectations to have things added to the watchlist not show up here, particularly if they are added from here. Watching is, definitely, used for experimental purposes, but it's primarily used to add things that are seen in posts that are, or might be, S/R/A. I'd suggest creating a GitHub issue with an RFE for permitting the experimental declaration to have a sites list.
To get the main watchlist to be considered non-experimental would require adding an additional list for actual experimental things. That is something that's been kicked around too, so also might get some traction.
 
@Adriaan I'm not intimate enough with those tag / technologies to even understand if that retag makes sense. If you can assist / chime in on that, please do.
 
@rene I'd love to, but as I've mentioned several times, I'm an academic who knows MATLAB, that's it. No knowledge about much else I'm afraid. If the queue needs emptying through reviewing once a decision has been reached, do let me know.
 
Okay, it was worth a try, you have the brains, you're just mis-wired ;)
 
umm... okay @rene the queue is cleared... I'll check it again shortly to see if more turns up
 
@JonClements you write an answer as well for the MSO post?
 
8:19 PM
On the plus side - I'm the top reviewer for that queue today :p
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LOL
I'm not going to top that
 
Why couldn't they have done that during winter bash - would have been an easy hat :)
 
Yeah
 
@JonClements They should make you a professional reviewer or something. Give you exclusive queues and privileges
 
@Machavity sounds horrible :)
 
8:31 PM
@JonClements Crazy idea: what if they paid you with a diamond?
 
@Machavity like this ? I could go with that for sure :)
 
@Machavity diamonds make for great covers
 
knowing my luck though, I'd probably end up with a worthless blue diamond of some sort... :p
 
@JonClements you mean sapphires? You're talking to a graduated rock-expert after all
 
Just rock? You haven't completed your "and roll" part yet?
 
8:34 PM
@JonClements not part of our stone-licking course alas
 
sighs... the education systems these days... grumble grumble and all that...
 
@JonClements Education is terrible, they taught me earth sciences, and I'm going to work on Mars for the coming years
 
:)
gotta run for a bit - laters...
 
@Makyen I started a team discussion first
 
9:02 PM
@rene OK. In my experience, if you want more participation, then it's a good idea to mention the question in Charcoal HQ. For what you wrote, a team question is good, as it can document the process you're asking about. If you are wanting a discussion of different possible ways to get watchlist detections reported in SOCVR, without the experimental detections from other sites, then your best bet is to start a discussion in Charcoal HQ and back it up with a GitHub issue in SD's repository.
Basically, Team Questions are good at transferring information, but they don't make for very good discussions. Even when discussion is what's desired, they don't result in much back-and-forth, kicking ideas around, and generally have lower participation than chat or GitHub issues.
 
fair enough
and linked to it from CHQ
 
9:50 PM
Waffles™ (It will Roomba.)
 
10:21 PM
I made some changes on this post, if anyone like to review and correct it (or at least make it better than I did), I dunno if excel is related there so I did not add the excel tag.
 
10:57 PM
Everybody, here's your weekly* reminder that we still have 1313 duplicates of deleted questions on SO to deal with.
*) OK, more like your maybe-monthly-or-so-depends-on-when-I-remember-and-can-be-bothered-to-post-it reminder.
Also, if you happen to have a gold badge in , here are 77 particularly easy targets.
If you don't have one, I'd recommend probably skipping those 77 questions whose dupe target was deleted at 2018-10-08 16:34:18, since those are better handled by gold badgers. Let's just focus efforts on the stuff that actually needs deleting (or reopening).
 

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