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12:08 AM
 
1:02 AM
@Enzokie That's still No MCVE. There's unexplained code there, and "does not work" is not an adequate problem statement. Why are they starting a new MainActivity? How do we know that's not just creating a new, duplicate Activity atop the current one, with different instances of the list and MediaPlayer?
 
1:13 AM
@MikeM. That's a really good point but it would be helpful if you let the OP knows about that right?
 
1:27 AM
@Enzokie You're more than welcome to do that, if you like. The close banner already directs them to the MCVE page. Beyond that, I'm afraid it would turn into a long, convoluted back-and-forth session in comments, which I don't particularly want to get involved in, atm. I've already been through it today.
 
@MikeM. gotcha ;), no worries.
 
 
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6:13 AM
 
6:30 AM
Morning \o
 
 
1 hour later…
 
8:05 AM
Morning
 
@PraveenKumar That isn't that broad, is it? It now has a half decent answer too
 
Ah...
 
@PraveenKumar Won't that roomba?
 
@AndréKool I am pretty sure the OP will accept the answer...
I'll get you for this, Praveen. I'll get you. — James Baloyi 1 min ago
Threat note???
I have modflagged using custom flag...
 
@PraveenKumar I'd say rude/abusive would do. Those are usually handled faster. It's removed now
 
8:15 AM
@PraveenKumar I flagged it as rude along with another one on the question itself.
 
@AndréKool Nice.
@ErikvonAsmuth Sure.
 
8:29 AM
@PraveenKumar it was nice knowing you ... on a serious note, while it can make you feel uncomfortable I'm told moderators get much more thrown at them ... and they are still around without much harm done so don't let it get you. It is a virtual world after all.
waffles ™
 
jps
@rene thanks :)
 
yw
 
@rene Can I get pancakes instead?
 
sure
 
@EdChum I'll guess it's more of a case of not having noticed the one time you told him. Gotta give him credit for keeping a rational discussion.
 
8:43 AM
@JohnDvorak yeah but they seem to be quite stubborn at persisting to rant about not understanding R and wanting resources that explain everything to them
 
In any case... The question is roomba fodder now, even if we don't rush its deletion now to kill the comment thread.
 
@rene You mean to say it's completely safe to get those stuff thrown and not to worry much about it?
 
@JohnDvorak I should read the roomba meta to understand what will and won't be roomba'd I'm a bit impatient when I see something that just doesn't fit or the OP maintains their stance and it evolves into Me Vs. all of you
 
There's a userscript that helps predict Roomba's actions. As for deletion to avoid toxic comments - that is valid reason, yes.
 
9:03 AM
Blegh, I'm not used to seeing this many reputation changes :(
 
@PraveenKumar kind of, for sure flag it for a moderator as it has no place on our site but I'm always a bit worried that users feel personally attacked, then it gets under their skin and lose sleep over it. All I'm saying that is not worth it, so to give you some support to not fall victim to such negative thoughts that might affect your personal well being. No one is going to get on a plane, train or automobile to knock on your door tonight. Unless you filled a pluralization bug ...
@AndréKool Oh, I need to stop down voting you?
 
@rene No, I'm used to that. It's the upvotes I'm not used to.
 
Ah, yeah don't blame me for those ...
 
Hey, is asking us not to up/down vote something allowed here? :P
 
@JohnDvorak According to the FAQ it is not allowed. If that was about me I was not asking, only complaining (which is allowed as far as I know).
 
9:15 AM
No, I mean Rene seemed to have solicited such behavior by asking you what he should do :P
 
WHOEHA! Why does meta suddenly have a left-side bar? It's horrible :( Even less useful info on my screen and even more empty white space. Thanks SE >.<
 
@Adriaan check out the MSE post
 
@Adriaan Also, you can remove it by going to your settings and checking Hide Left Navigation. Then, you get an ugly hamburger menu instead
 
@AndréKool bwuk. Ugliness forced through the throat because some designer thought they needed to make an in-you-face mark on the website. Blugh.
 
@Adriaan Yup, you are not the only one with that opinion. Enough feedback (complains) on that post so far.
 
9:29 AM
@ErikvonAsmuth then we have a left and right hamburger. Is that an Happy Meal?
 
@rene Nope, the fun present is missing unfortunatly :(
 
Why does this room always make me hungry... Waffles, hamburgers, happy meals... Guess I'm going for an early lunch
 
All the pointless whitespace as soon as you've scrolled down a little with the new side-bar looks like it's just there as a placeholder, so when the storm has quieted down they can fill it with adds
@FireAlarm +2 on both Q and A? Smelly ...
 
Very suspicious upvotes on those...
 
@AndréKool already modflagged.
@AndréKool pattern is visible on most of their Q/As. Always 2 votes (or a single other stray vote), often a 1 liner unresearched poo question with an answer by the other, 2 votes each time.
 
9:41 AM
both users are from same location and company. suspected voting ring
 
@Nkosi already mentioned in the flag
 
cool
 
(suspected sock/voting ring that is, location and company not, I missed that)
 
What would be the best action with these comments?
 
@AndréKool "No longer needed" since they're not actually offensive (only to FireBase itself)
@Nkosi darn, can't find the third person involved :( Only the two on this Q; but there must be a third, since there are 2 votes always
 
9:45 AM
definite voting ring, found the 3rd person already. they share a series of questions and answers
 
\o/ Good work :D
With regards to down/close votes on that suspected ring: be careful, especially do not comment. Just let the mods handle them; experience tells me that all the accounts will be gone in a day or so. No need to warn the ring.
 
@rene Ha, this gives me a good hope... :)
 
How many flags on the same voting ring are appreciated? A new answer just popped in and got 2 upvotes within a minute; do I use a second flag pointing back to the old one, or just sit back and hope the mods will find this anyway?
 
@Adriaan I think this question applies (check out the mod answer)
 
@Adriaan I would yes, state that it is a follow up on your earlier flag.
 
9:59 AM
Should we let the team know about this project driving them to Stack Overflow? github.com/PHPOffice/PHPWord
 
@PraveenKumar only if it attracts bad questions that are not curated by the project maintainers.
 
OKay...
 
@PraveenKumar see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326374/… to judge if it is within the rules. also: stackoverflow.com/help/product-support
 
@rene Checking...
Wait, when did meta start to look different??? :O
 
6 to 8 hours ago ...
 
10:06 AM
@PraveenKumar yesterday
 
Wow...
 
it will come to SO soon enough......
 
@PraveenKumar Here is the post about it: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310908/…
And you can look at the answers for the current list of feedback (read complains) :P
@Nkosi Not only SO but all stackexchange sites.....
 
yep saw it in the meta post.
 
@Nkosi due to teams I'm already there ...
 
10:12 AM
yeah remember seeing that teams already had it. Saw it in the screen shots when they were introducing it.
 
10:41 AM
almost a duplicate ^but it is an application of the answers from the said duplicate that has a typo.
 
10:55 AM
o/
 
\o
 
o/
 
I seem to be not very wise, bummer.
3
 
o/
 
@Vega I disagree with that one. OP states he wants his installer to make sure the next one is full, which is unique to software development.
 
11:07 AM
@ErikvonAsmuth then it's No MCVE, a tool (API) req or too broad
 
Ron
o/\
typo
 
@Yam Not really an improvement, maybe a different close reason
 
@Adriaan Too broad maybe, not no MCVE as it's not debugging, not tool/API since he asks a built-in windows method
 
!!/coffee @Ron
I guess the coffee maker is broken. lol
 
Ron
Bot baristas are on a strike.
 
11:11 AM
You should try making a HTCPCP request. Maybe that'll get you some coffee...
 
@Ron Bummer, I could really use a coffee
 
Ron
I had 3 today and I am non the wiser.
Lack of sleep == long day.
 
@Ron Well, at leat you're no dumber. Without coffee, IQ drops at 10 points an hour.
 
Ron
Lol.
Hopefully so.
 
@MartinJames Hell, how intelligent must I be as I don't drink any coffee at all in home-office.
 
11:32 AM
Time to write up an answer stating: "There is nothing wrong with your code, your expectations are wrong" :P
 
@AshishAhuja ninja'ed
 
@Adriaan sorry!
I saw FA's report in SOBotics and when I realised it was a pretty bad q, cv-plsed from there without checking in SOCVR.
 
Is this spam or simply NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/50719535/754119
 
@AlonEitan Not spam; has disclosure that the product is related to the author.
"Our"
 
Thanks @AshishAhuja flagged as NAA
 
11:55 AM
@ErikvonAsmuth looks TB to me, since it's not explicitly asking for a tool innit?
 
@Adriaan Also valid, like we used in sql server implies like SSMS to me implies I want a tool. But that might be a bit far-fetched.
 
12:15 PM
@SmokeDetector looks like LO (and the OP self-answered and thanked himself)
@SmokeDetector asks a new question (someone haz auto-comment?
@SmokeDetector Looks like a sock puppet; same name+location; answer and comment within a minute, accept in 4 mins, and the only Q of the answerer is almost an exact dupe of the Q here
 
@Adriaan In the time it took for me to click on their name in the question, they'd changed their name
 
@NickA yes, because some other user called them out under the answer -.-
There we go again, another mod flag :p
 
12:36 PM
Morning
 
o/
 
Ron
o/
 
Afternoon
 
\o
 
o/
 
12:46 PM
\o
 
@AlonEitan I feel dumb. I'm not seeing the typo
 
@Machavity See the selectors - '#productCode' (For example), there's not element with id="productCode" (Only name="productCode" which is a different selector for that attribute)
But if it's not trivial in your opinion than I have no problem that you delete this cv-pls
 
@AlonEitan It's a "meh" question for me. Not terribly good, but he did get the MCVE right. And it has two answers. I'd leave it be myself
 
NP @Machavity, can you please delete that cv-pls?
 
@Machavity I disagree with getting the MCVE right. It looks like a "how can I do X" question to me
 
1:21 PM
I prefer not to insist on closing a question in this room, so it's fine by me to leave it open
 
@AlonEitan I'm not a RO. Maybe ping Nathan?
 
whistles
 
Thanks @NathanOliver :P
 
@NathanOliver Do we still need to ping you? :P
 
1:24 PM
:p
 
@NathanOliver Is an awesome RO. We don't ping him enough to thank him
 
@AlonEitan @AndréKool @Machavity Thanks and you're welcome
triple ping
 
@Machavity you're absolutely right that we don't ping @NathanOliver often enough to thank him.
Thanks @NathanOliver!
 
@Adriaan you
@Adriaan are
@Adriaan welcome
 
Aww, thanks @NathanOliver, you didn't have to do that :P
 
1:30 PM
:)
afk
 
Ron
All your pings are belong to @NathanOliver.
 
Is it ping an RO day and @NathanOliver is the winner?
 
@rene Yes
 
@rene Are
@rene you
 
awsome. He must be happy
 
1:38 PM
@rene feeling
@rene left
@rene ?
@rene out
 
No, right out
 
Ron
@rene, when are you going to rage quit .NET and move into managing C++ only teams?
 
^rofl
 
@Ron Who's ene?
 
Ron
@Machavity Lol. The missing 2 hours of my sleep.
 
1:44 PM
@Ron I rage quit once to manage a Java only team. I'm still recovering ...
 
Ron
Haha.
 
lol
 
I knew something was wrong when every person on that team called themselves "something/something architect" while all the project needed where developers ...
 
sounds like a death march project. How did it turn out?
 
@rene Developers, Developers, Developers! Thanks Ballmer
Glad I can call myself ingenieur
 
Ron
1:50 PM
@Adriaan High five! I am too.
Although I like to think of myself as a devloper.
 
Once you are not The Expert
 
@Adriaan I don't think I will be allowed to call myself that since I haven't finished my education in time :(
 
Ron
@AndréKool Formal education has nothing to do with the nomenclature. Fight the power!
 
@Ron I will do that (as soon as I finish :P)
 
@Adriaan Yeah, that was a killer music video
 
1:56 PM
Luckily there's nothing softwar-y in my education, except a single course on MATLAB. I just happen to like it and program a lot for my thesis
 
Ron
@AndréKool Magic words: equivalent by experience, comparable experience . You will be seeing those a lot in job ads.
 
@Machavity Can't....unsee.....
 
@Machavity I'm disappointed you didn't use the Rebecca Black Friday video
 
@TylerH It's Wednesday. Violates the TOS
 
2:09 PM
@ErikvonAsmuth yikes
who is still using 2007
 
I think I got 2007 on my home laptop (maybe, not sure, never use it)
 
It was the last version that you could crack with a simple keygen and get a lifetime license, perhaps that has something to do with it :)
 
@ErikvonAsmuth I dunno I have seen plenty of easy success with 2010 and 2013 but maybe I am just more familiar with that kind of stuff than the average user
I wonder if Office 2007 will even run on Windows 10
hmm bummer, looks like it does
 
Microsoft and their darned backwards compatibility!
 
When did Microsoft become compatible with anything? (backwards, forwards or sideways)
 
2:14 PM
Check this answer - Posted like 6 times in 10 minutes. Is mod flag enough or should we actively report it as spam?
 
@AlonEitan Personally I would modflag because it doesn't fit with the last part of the spam flag: "does not disclose the author's affiliation."
 
@AlonEitan modflag; because the questions need to be dupe-linked as well if the same answer covers all. There are python mods, so they'll know whether that's the case.
Oh, iirc exact duplicate answers raise an auto modflag already (though I may be wrong)
 
Just spam flag imo. Doesn't look like a hacked account, the GitHub has the same profile name and image. Even if it discloses affiliation, it's horribly spammy and inappropriate.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth It's not spam. Low Quality sure, but not spam
 
Cool, so that's what I did, and I also ask the mods to check for additional dupe answers (And they did post the same answer later on)
 
2:21 PM
@Machavity Sure? Yes, he does disclose affiliation, but it's overt self-promotion on questions where it's nowhere close to an answer. Imo you can't just post anything as long as you disclose affiliation
 
@ErikvonAsmuth there's also the problem of it being an established account. Shog says we should give them the benefit of the doubt (cat on keyboard) in case of abusive flags. I'm unsure whether this holds up for spam flags as well. In any case: I'd modflag, or let the auto-flag handle it
 
@ErikvonAsmuth Remember Spam flags carry a -100 penalty. That seems harsh here. 20k delete or review delete
 
Surly not every false spam flag carries -100 penalty. I have 6 spam declined flags and I never got any penalty for those
 
@AlonEitan hum, other way around :P The person who has their post deleted through spam flags gets a 100 rep penalty (and an IP ban afaik). All you'll get for a declined spam flag is a flag-ban every now and then if you do that too often
 
Oh, LOL
Thought it's some kind of a mod revenge for false flags
 
2:30 PM
nice idea though
 
@ErikvonAsmuth Stack Exchange's definition of spam is self-promotion that lacks affiliation, only
It's a horrible definition of spam and way too narrow, but that's what we get
 
@WiktorStribiżew Yup, you added a 1 after that previous link making it point to a different (non-existing) question
 
@AlonEitan You only get the 100rep penalty for your posts that are deleted with 6 spam flags (or 1 mod flag)
 
If you get caught on SE site A for voting fraud and your rep is reverted back below 200, does the association bonus you got on other sites get reverted as well?
@SmokeDetector is this even about programming? Too broad at least
 
@Adriaan definitely about programming using visual detection APIs but yes incredibly too broad to be answerable on SO
 
2:42 PM
@Adriaan Nope, see this meta post
 
@Adriaan No I don't think so
 
@ErikvonAsmuth is that the same Magisch who used to be here? Did they disassociate their SO account from the rest?
 
@Adriaan the voting ring from this morning has been dealt with. Two puppets were nuked and the true account suspended for a week.
 
@Adriaan I don't know about dissociation, but he's the same that ran for mod and used to be here
 
@Nkosi I saw; even a cross-post from DBA along with a plagiarised answer. Nuking 2 accounts and a lousy 7 day suspension on the third seems a light punishment
 
Ron
2:47 PM
Is it a bird, is it a plane? No, it's Ron storming out of the building, running away from legacy code.
 
@Ron hehe
take the quick route and jump out the 10th story window :-P
 
@Adriaan It was a new account so I guess they were a little more lenient this time.
@Ron You can storm out any time your like, but you can never leave [guitar riff]
 
Ron
Hotel legacy code.
 
waffles
 
Ron
waffles
and some pancakes
Carry on. I will survive.
 
2:53 PM
@Ron Finally some pancakes. I was getting tired of all those waffles :)
 
Ron
Maybe I should rage quit and go plunder on the beach ;)
If only I had a beach.
 
@Ron VR googles and FarCry 1
 
Ron
Closest one is 517 km to the south.
 
YAY
> 3,000 helpful flags
 
Ron
@Olaf Lol, indeed.
 
2:57 PM
\o/
 
94 pending flags ---- Yay for the close-vote review queue
 
@AndréKool Nice...
 
Ron
@kayess Congrats.
 
@kayess Congrats.
 
@Ron ty!
@PraveenKumar ty!
teh ping party enrages
 
3:02 PM
@kayess nice
 
@TylerH ty!
 
@kayess It's ping day
 
Useless answers here! Can we delete it? stackoverflow.com/q/50723716
 
@Machavity Oh! I wasn't aware of such thing! Happy RO is @NathanOliver for sure
 
@kayess Happy as a hand grenade
 
3:10 PM
@PraveenKumar Like any other object literal question, sure - Those are always duplicate
 
@NathanOliver lol
 
@rene Sorry I was afk when you pinged me. IF you want to try again go ahead
 
> when I you
it's typo day :\
 
It's always typo day
 
Just trying to cheer you up : P
 
3:12 PM
a glass a scotch would do a better job ;)
 
Library too!
 
@NathanOliver just bought a new bottle of Dalmore 12, you're still welcome here :p
 
I'm saving up for a Maccallan 18
 
@NathanOliver mmm
how much does that run
 
inorite. I've had the 15 and it was delicious so the 18 should be even better.
~$300
 
3:15 PM
I wasn't a fan of the Maccallan gold; that tasted the same as Famous Grouse to me, but at a four times higher cost. Made me go to other distilleries who do give bang for your buck
 
@NathanOliver STEEP!
 
got on this morning to an extra 150 rep, all from one user :))))
 
Yeah. I might just do find a bar that has it and order a glass to try it before spending that kind of money. You have to go to some fancy places to find it though :(
@Alec Bounty or were you serially up voted?
 
serial
 
bummer
 
3:20 PM
@NathanOliver and then at $60 a glass, so you don't win much
 
LOL that's Andy Pipkin
 
oh, just noticed I lost 50 rep for a user being removed. No wonder I wan't getting any rep notifications
 
50 aint much when you 68k
it was disheartening for me to bounty my 50 rep(back when I only had 150 rep) and then have to answer my own question
 
3:38 PM
@Alec Every rep is precious ;) yes precious, he didn'ts means its precious..
lol
 
This question is a LO answer magnet, but it can't be deleted since there are dupes closed against it. Should I also try to delete those in that case?
 
Ron
I lost 10 reps due to a user being removed. Justice for Ron!
 
@Adriaan You could try get it locked?
 
@Adriaan Well it is closed so it can't be answered again
 
@Adriaan Looks like it only has this Q as a dupe
 
3:45 PM
@NickA why? There's only links in the answers. Any of them go dead and the answers become invalid
 
Wow, haven't seen a JAL link in a while
 
@Machavity that solved it :p
 
@Adriaan Didn't mean lock, meant protected, but then realised its not low-rep users answering
 
@Adriaan done
 
@NickA that's not the problem; the problem is that it serves as a sign that asking for tutorials is correct, that questions are being closed against it (again the sign) and that they are all link-only answers, which is highly discouraged, since if the link goes dead the answer is pointless. A question which has nought but 3 LO answers has no lasting value imo, regardless of the votes it gathered back in y'olden days of yore when these kind of questions were fine
 
Ron
3:50 PM
And y'olden they were.
 
T.J. Crowder managed to get that question deleted by OP and the original one undeleted. That's impressive
 
Ron
There is reps in them hills.
 
@Adriaan Oh..... honestly, I didn't really look at the question so didn't realise it was that bad, I just read it's a LO magnet :)
 
@NickA even the phrase "LO magnet" should signify that there's something wrong with the question usually
 
@Adriaan Fair point
 
 
1 hour later…
5:02 PM
Gimme teh codez.
 
5:18 PM
what does the red dot mean in the review queues?
high volume?
 
Yep, go and review stuff asap :)
 
@Alec Sniper laser, duck!
 
@Alec it means "there is a high number of reviews that need to be done and you have not done any reviews in a while so please pay some attention to the review queues"
 
6:00 PM
@Yam Still unclear, not a MCVE
 
@Machavity awesome
 
What is better to correct a bad edit, but approved? I am talking about this question edit review: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/19943702. The essential tag was removed and class declaration was (un)corrected
 
@Vega If the edit is bad, do a Rollback
 
ok, thanks :)
 
7:43 PM
@Machavity if you like rabbit holes, click the santa-claus tag on that question
 
@TylerH I liked this comment
You have been warned that "This incident will be reported". xkcd.com/838 The xkcd is considered proper notice and your usage of sudo is clear consent. — Nemo yesterday
2
 
 
1 hour later…
9:42 PM
@RiggsFolly You already made a cv-pls request for that question about 13 hours ago.
 
@Makyen Yea. But after a bad atempt to add some code as requested it is still a request for someone to write a tutorial or write the code for them, so I thought I would give it another kick
 
@RiggsFolly We don't permit "bumping" requests. Please make only one request for any particular question, at least while the original request is still active (i.e. until it's moved to the Request Graveyard @ > 3 days, if not complete before that time). Making additional requests about the same question after the original is in the Graveyard is something that's still being discussed, but is currently permitted, at least to the extent of a single additional request.
 
@Makyen Ok, duly noted
 
10:18 PM
Hi all! o/
 
@Makyen Was this request of mine manually moved to the graveyard intentionally? Or was it maybe caught by a script, after the first post linked in it – the OP's answer basically saying no repro – was deleted?
 
Let's find out.
1 message moved from SOCVR Request Graveyard
@MikeM. Yes, it is automatically detected by the Archiver script due to the other post linked in the request being deleted. It would be necessary for each RO to notice it when reviewing the move and manually prevent it from being moved.
 
@Makyen Cool. That's what I figured. I'll keep that in mind in the future. Thanks for checkin' that.
 
10:34 PM
@MikeM. At a minimum, I'll add to my To Do list looking at not having that happen when an answer is linked from a cv-pls and there is also a question linked. There are a couple of cases where the Archiver is a bit too aggressive. The more common case is a user linking an additional question. There's a larger issue here, so I'm going to want to spend a bit of time mulling over the best way to handle the overall issue.
 
11:01 PM
@Makyen That is tricky. Seems it'd be much simpler if everyone used the same request format. Maybe move some of that burden to the user. If someone wants to link an auxiliary post in their request, then the actual target of the request must be the last post link, if they don't want to risk premature graveyarding. Not sure how well that'd go over, and I'm probably not thinking of some other catch(es)...
 
11:12 PM
@MikeM. Yeah, it's the general case that's more complex, where the format is more free-form. It would be relatively easy to mark/recognize those requests generated by the request generator and only consider the question which is linked as the post which the request is primarily about. Hmmmm... just doing that would solve 80–90% of the issue, so I'll probably just implement that, for now.
 

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